E-Sky E-Smart 600 series build thread

[Rickn816]

here is the charger that came with dx7 and regular US plug

Write Spektrum and ask for the correct unit.

Rick

[jsy nobby]

Sod it thought I....

http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25_65&products_id=314

80 bucks shipped...Should be interesting to see what it can/can't do...At 1900 RPM per volt it should kick up a bit of a fuss at the very least....Tweek...Remember...Size is no measure of strength.... :D :D :p Erm...More headspeed vicar? :D :cool:

-Andy

Edit:Ooo yo' mama!!!! E-mail back already saying order processed...7 day wait but I think it'll be worth it... :p ;)

[jsy nobby]

Forgot to say thanks for the link Hownot2fly..so,Thanks! :D

-Andy

[HowNot2fly]

yeah jsy,no problem :),let us know how it goes with the new motor when you get it ,in the future i`ll be getting one too, no $ right now :(,but i love the one i got in falcon 3d se, it is a rocketship :)

[sting35]

here is something strange,last night i turned on the dx7 and the lcd screen was showing 10.1volts,how is that possible when the bat is only 9.6volts?

The battery in the DX-7 is an 8 cell NiMH battery. The NOMINAL voltage is 1.2 volts per cell which totals 9.6 volts. However, the fully charged voltage (under load) is 1.35 to 1.4 volts per cell. So, when it's fully charged you will see 11.2 volts or higher. It's the same deal as with your lipos. A three cell lipo has a nominal voltage of 11.1 volts (3.7 volts per cell) but it's charged voltage is 12.6 volts (4.2 volts per cell).

Sting

A nominal quantity (e.g., length, diameter, speed, volume, voltage, value) is generally the ideal quantity according to which some item has been named. Such a nominal value may often be different from the actual value, having a relation to the actual value that is anywhere on a spectrum from closely related (for example, differing only within a range of acceptable random variation) to only distantly related. An example of the former is a type of battery that has an actual voltage of 1.62 V, but is called a "1.5 volt battery"; it has a nominal voltage of 1.5 V (which cannot be measured anywhere). An example of the latter is the nominal size 2×4 for dimensional lumber: its actual size is 1½″ × 3½″ (38×89 mm) (plus or minus some small tolerance).

[HowNot2fly]

Write Spektrum and ask for the correct unit.

Rick
thanks Rick,but my dx7 came with the es600 in rtf deal frome heliguy.com in UK,they did say they would sent me the proper charger and when i offer to sent back the euro charger (btw they send me 2 of them) they said to just keep it ,which is good b/c the shipping to sent it back is $35 :D

[HowNot2fly]

:) The battery in the DX-7 is an 8 cell NiMH battery. The NOMINAL voltage is 1.2 volts per cell which totals 9.6 volts. However, the fully charged voltage (under load) is 1.35 to 1.4 volts per cell. So, when it's fully charged you will see 11.2 volts or higher. It's the same deal as with your lipos. A three cell lipo has a nominal voltage of 11.1 volts (3.7 volts per cell) but it's charged voltage is 12.6 volts (4.2 volts per cell).

Sting
Sting,thanks for all the info, i got so much to learn , thats why i come to this forums and learn from helpfull heli flyers like you :D , thanks again :)

[cfrank2005]

Chaps..I'm thinking on swapping out the std motor in the ES600 with a Hacker A50 motor. Does anyone know what's the modulus of the ES600 main gear? It's a 780kV motor, & going by the head speed calc for 2200rpm running on 6S, I'll be needing a 17tooth pinion. Any suggestion on where I can get one? The A50 comes with a 5mm shaft.

[sting35]

Chaps..I'm thinking on swapping out the std motor in the ES600 with a Hacker A50 motor. Does anyone know what's the modulus of the ES600 main gear? It's a 780kV motor, & going by the head speed calc for 2200rpm running on 6S, I'll be needing a 17tooth pinion. Any suggestion on where I can get one? The A50 comes with a 5mm shaft.

Frank,
I thought that it was said that it was a .7 mod pinion but search through the thread here to back that up. As Doug Adams said, my memory is comparable to a Queen Alexandra Birdwing Butterfly, "in that it was colorful, flitted prettily hither and thither, and was now, alas, almost completely extinct." :p

[cfrank2005]

Frank,
I thought that it was said that it was a .7 mod pinion but search through the thread here to back that up. As Doug Adams said, my memory is comparable to a Queen Alexandra Birdwing Butterfly, "in that it was colorful, flitted prettily hither and thither, and was now, alas, almost completely extinct." :p
Thanks Sting..my memory is not as colorful as yours but definitely much worse.

[HowNot2fly]

Thanks Sting..my memory is not as colorful as yours but definitely much worse.
LMAO :D ,oh wait ,what are you 2 talking about?????? :D

[Bob valley]

Sod it thought I....

http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25_65&products_id=314

80 bucks shipped...Should be interesting to see what it can/can't do...At 1900 RPM per volt it should kick up a bit of a fuss at the very least....Tweek...Remember...Size is no measure of strength.... :D :D :p Erm...More headspeed vicar? :D :cool:

-Andy

Andy,
You will need to change the pinion or go to 4 cells with that motor.

Bob

[cfrank2005]

LMAO :D ,oh wait ,what are you 2 talking about?????? :D
Just rambling on about our memories..sorry. Now, if only I can remember where I put that heli..Mmmm

[Bob valley]

Chaps..I'm thinking on swapping out the std motor in the ES600 with a Hacker A50 motor. Does anyone know what's the modulus of the ES600 main gear? It's a 780kV motor, & going by the head speed calc for 2200rpm running on 6S, I'll be needing a 17tooth pinion. Any suggestion on where I can get one? The A50 comes with a 5mm shaft.

The gears are MOD .8, 32 pitch gears will work as well.

You can get a 16 tooth pinion for a Hurricane 550 here. they are MOD .8

Bob

[Tweekster]

Sod it thought I....

http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25_65&products_id=314

80 bucks shipped...Should be interesting to see what it can/can't do...At 1900 RPM per volt it should kick up a bit of a fuss at the very least....Tweek...Remember...Size is no measure of strength.... :D :D :p Erm...More headspeed vicar? :D :cool:

-Andy

It's not the size that matters, it's the power output (or something like that)! :o ;) :)

I have a Scorpion HK-1221-12 V2 (2580KV) ready to go in my T-Rex 450 on 4S! I just need to find the time :censored:

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=44_405&products_id=6440

[cfrank2005]

The gears are MOD .8, 32 pitch gears will work as well.

You can get a 16 tooth pinion for a Hurricane 550 here. they are MOD .8

Bob
Thanks for the info Bob..got a URL link I can use?

[HowNot2fly]

i got this one http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25_49&products_id=205&osCsid=0f74e1308172efc54b8f9e9037db6e44 in my falcon 3d 400se,its crazy with 11T pinion :)

[Tweekster]

Speaking of motors, check out these Monsters:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1900519

[cfrank2005]

Speaking of motors, check out these Monsters:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1900519
Hey Tweek..that's the new motor I've got in my Raptor e620. The HK4035-560 motor is extremely powerful. When it runs, it's like hearing a porsche revving up.
Bob..got a URL link I can use for that pinion?

[HowNot2fly]

holly crap!!!!!!those things are size of a coke can ,i want one :)

[cfrank2005]

holly crap!!!!!!those things are size of a coke can ,i want one :)
Yeah..almost the size of a coke can..I'm running 12S setup with this motor. Since the Raptor is very big and heavy, you'll need a big motor to swing her about in the sky.

[cfrank2005]

Geez..tracking down that pinion is like looking for a needle in a haystack. I'm after a 32P 16T/17T pinion with 5mm shaft hole. Anyone got any ideas where I can source this? Can I use this..
http://www.hobbyfever.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_124&products_id=4298&osCsid=9973fc6b14

[Bob valley]

Geez..tracking down that pinion is like looking for a needle in a haystack. I'm after a 32P 16T/17T pinion with 5mm shaft hole. Anyone got any ideas where I can source this? Can I use this..
http://www.hobbyfever.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_124&products_id=4298&osCsid=9973fc6b14

Sorry about that here is the link. http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_238_281&products_id=3775

The 32 pitch pinion is good as well. Does it have a 5mm bore?

Bob

[Tweekster]

Hey Tweek..that's the new motor I've got in my Raptor e620. The HK4035-560 motor is extremely powerful. When it runs, it's like hearing a porsche revving up.
Bob..got a URL link I can use for that pinion?

Dang Frank, that must be a monster on 12S!

What size LiPo's and how much run time do you get?

[cfrank2005]

Sorry about that here is the link. http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_238_281&products_id=3775

The 32 pitch pinion is good as well. Does it have a 5mm bore?

Bob
Bob..yeah..its a 5mm bore pinion I need.

[Tweekster]

Check out my Bu..........I mean tail! ;) :)

92mm Curtis Youngblood CF 'Blem' tail blades. $19.00 at:

http://www.curtisyoungblood.com/products_view.php?id=28

[john339]

All this talk of larger motors.
I think the stock motor is plenty powerful enough to get me in trouble.
Maybe after I learn how to actually fly this monster I will consider a larger motor.
Speaking of which, the wind is still blowing here. Maybe I should try to fly at midnight. It does seem very quiet then. I guess I will need lots of lights and better vision then I have now...............

[cfrank2005]

Dang Frank, that must be a monster on 12S!

What size LiPo's and how much run time do you get?
I run 2 x 6S 4600mAh lipos. I get about 12mins sports flying. yeah, she's very graceful in flight, though a wee bit frumpy. Kinda like watching a 747 jumbo fly as compared to a 737. You get almost a full 1.5s reaction time if you make a wrong move in the air.

[LockMD]

All this talk of larger motors.
I think the stock motor is plenty powerful enough to get me in trouble.
Maybe after I learn how to actually fly this monster I will consider a larger motor.
Speaking of which, the wind is still blowing here. Maybe I should try to fly at midnight. It does seem very quiet then. I guess I will need lots of lights and better vision then I have now...............


LOL 26MPH winds.....I tried to put the 400 in the air NOT I was all over the place! Luckily I got her down with no damage, was thinking the BEAST could handle it, well it might, but I cant......only sim time for me :(

[HowNot2fly]

the way i fly(2 inches of the ground) 1.5 sec.delay would be instant crash :)

[cfrank2005]

the way i fly(2 inches of the ground) 1.5 sec.delay would be instant crash :)
U should always try to get at least 5 feet off the ground. Too much ground effect under 5 feet. But the Esmart has got a similar delay when I fly her, though not a slow.

[cfrank2005]

ok..order placed for those pinions from HD. Will post pics and performance of A50 in my ES600 when it arrives. Cheerio..

[jsy nobby]

Andy,
You will need to change the pinion or go to 4 cells with that motor.

Bob

Larger or smaller Bob? I checked a headspeed calculator and with 6s and a 12T pinion(I assume the main gear has 150T,I've not counted them! :p ) 1900KV yeilds 2868 RPM.....Do you reckon that's too high?

-Andy

[jsy nobby]

Check out my Bu..........I mean tail! ;) :)

92mm Curtis Youngblood CF 'Blem' tail blades. $19.00 at:

http://www.curtisyoungblood.com/products_view.php?id=28

Now they look nice! Do they fly well Tweek?

-Andy

[Bob valley]

Larger or smaller Bob? I checked a headspeed calculator and with 6s and a 12T pinion(I assume the main gear has 150T,I've not counted them! :p ) 1900KV yeilds 2868 RPM.....Do you reckon that's too high?

-Andy


You would need a smaller pinion. The main gear is 120T and yes the headspeed is way to high. I think the smallest pinion you can get that will fit a 5 mm shaft is 10T and you would need an 8T. 10T may work with 5 cells but you still would be pushing it.

My thinking was to go with the 1200kv motor the same as the stock one and save the weight. The 1400kv motor may be good on 5 cells as well.

Bob

[jsy nobby]

You would need a smaller pinion. The main gear is 120T and yes the headspeed is way to high. I think the smallest pinion you can get that will fit a 5 mm shaft is 10T and you would need an 8T. 10T may work with 5 cells but you still would be pushing it.

My thinking was to go with the 1200kv motor the same as the stock one and save the weight. The 1400kv motor may be good on 5 cells as well.

Bob

Ok. Thanks for that. So I'd need to be flying 14.8 volt batteries?

-Andy

[HowNot2fly]

well, while we are talking about motors and such i have a noob question,if the motor and esc gets pertty warm but the lipo stays cool what does it mean?is the setup wrong?if so which part of setup is wrong?motor?esc?or the lipo?

[jsy nobby]

well, while we are talking about motors and such i have a noob question,if the motor and esc gets pertty warm but the lipo stays cool what does it mean?is the setup wrong?if so which part of setup is wrong?motor?esc?or the lipo?

Pitch....You have too much! :D

[HowNot2fly]

hmmm,even with the pitch knob on tx set to minimum things get warm,now dont get me wrong ,the motor and esc gets warm(i wish i had IR thermometer)but it is not so hot that you cant touch it,i can hold it for few sec. before it gets uncomfortable,is this normal?oh btw its not on es 600 it is one of my other helis,just trying to learn about the right setup :)

[Dennis H.]

hmmm,even with the pitch knob on tx set to minimum things get warm,now dont get me wrong ,the motor and esc gets warm(i wish i had IR thermometer)but it is not so hot that you cant touch it,i can hold it for few sec. before it gets uncomfortable,is this normal?oh btw its not on es 600 it is one of my other helis,just trying to learn about the right setup :)

Everything should be just warm only, Not hot. I believe you might have your pitch to high like jsy nobby, Said. Do you have a pitch gage? If not I have one that we can check it out this weekend

[jsy nobby]

Align tail rotor hub's at the post office. New flybar and tail pitch arm already installed,new set of blades balanced and ready to go on...ARTF again! :D

[Dennis H.]

Align tail rotor hub's at the post office. New flybar and tail pitch arm already installed,new set of blades balanced and ready to go on...ARTF again! :D

Good to hear! :D Ok now this is what you need to do now, And to set a NEW record, I seen on YouTube? A guy using his heli for fishing, And cough and small fish, You live on a Island and no way to go, But to the sea, You need to go an catch JAWS! :eek:
P.S. Be sure you have a big boat too! :rolleyes:

[HowNot2fly]

i`m total noob to all this so i dont have any gages or knowlage so i have no idea what the heli i`m doing :),i hope to get all the parts by tomorrow so i can fix and bring all my helis to the field this weekend,maybe we can do some fine tunning and linkage adjustments ,thanks Dennis and i hope to see you this weekend, btw i took care of the AMA membrship thing,i`m good to go :)

[HowNot2fly]

what??? fishing with helis??? now that is something i want to see :)

[jsy nobby]

Good to hear! :D Ok now this is what you need to do now, And to set a NEW record, I seen on YouTube? A guy using his heli for fishing, And cough and small fish, You live on a Island and no way to go, But to the sea, You need to go an catch JAWS! :eek:
P.S. Be sure you have a big boat too! :rolleyes:

Hahaha!!!! Seen that one too....We do have certain kinds of shark here, none of the dangerous beasties though Dennis. Some of the larger Eels we get here would almost certainly take an ES for a swim!!! A big Conger Eel can be up to 10 feet long and weigh over a hundred Lbs. I think I'll leave the "Heli -fishing" to those who are nuts enough to try it! How many E-Smarts would it take to pull a small Marlin from the brine I wonder..... :p :p

-Andy

[jsy nobby]

Gentlemen,I have a question....How do you guys fly your blades? Tight or loose in the grips? I'm erring on the loose side....Heli seems to not vibrate as much when she's airborne and the forces that be take over but it wobbles about on the deck even with soft start...Can't seem to find a happy medium...

-Andy

[Tweekster]

Now they look nice! Do they fly well Tweek?

-Andy

Only got one battery through it, work got in the way, but you can tell a slight difference in quick tail moves. It locks in pretty fast, and has less bounce.

They sure look slick, I hope I don't scrape them.

[Tweekster]

well, while we are talking about motors and such i have a noob question,if the motor and esc gets pertty warm but the lipo stays cool what does it mean?is the setup wrong?if so which part of setup is wrong?motor?esc?or the lipo?

Too low of a throttle curve can also do it. The motor is running outside it's efficiency range, and the ESC is having to switch more to keep it running low, both will build up more heat.

Like the others said, get a pitch gage, you need to know where it's running.

[Tweekster]

Gentlemen,I have a question....How do you guys fly your blades? Tight or loose in the grips? I'm erring on the loose side....Heli seems to not vibrate as much when she's airborne and the forces that be take over but it wobbles about on the deck even with soft start...Can't seem to find a happy medium...

-Andy

Not loose or tight, but firm, and make sure both have even tension.

I put my thumbs at the bolts with each forefinger about 3" from my thumbs and pull the blades towards me. I adjust the tension where they feel even and it takes a firm pull with my just the forefingers, but not straining.

If that makes any sense? :confused:

[Bob valley]

Ok. Thanks for that. So I'd need to be flying 14.8 volt batteries?

-Andy


Yes 4 cells with the stock pinion. Awhile back Barock and Fpainter3 used 1900kv motors and 4 cells maybe they can update on how it is working out. In my opinion this would not be as good as what you have now because your options are very limited. I like the 1200kv motor because it will handle 5 or 6 cells on the stock pinion and if you wanted to try 4 cells you can get a bigger pinion. I am looking at the Scorpian motor because it is 100 grams lighter than the Esky.
This is the 1200kv motor. http://www.innov8tivedesigns.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25_65&products_id=311

I tighten my blades so that when the blades are extended I can stand the Heli on it's nose and gently shake it without the blades moving.

Bob

[john339]

Andy I do not have slow start so my rotor jumps to life at the lowest throttle setting.
I have the blades pretty tight so they won't flop back when it jerks to life.
The tail blades are very loose as they open out from the spinning very fast.

[HowNot2fly]

Andy I do not have slow start so my rotor jumps to life at the lowest throttle setting.
I have the blades pretty tight so they won't flop back when it jerks to life.
The tail blades are very loose as they open out from the spinning very fast.
advice frome a noob :eek: , if your esc is not programable get one that is and set it to very soft start, it works grate even on my hbfp :)

[Tweekster]

Ok. Thanks for that. So I'd need to be flying 14.8 volt batteries?

-Andy

Also remember if you drop the voltage, your amp draw will go up.

Here's a amp chart from my setup with gentle flying a few full collective punchouts (+10 degrees). Notice it runs on average around 27 amps and spikes at 50 amps.

So with a 6S pack, that's:

22.2V x 27A = 599.4 Watts Average
22.2V x 50A = 1110 Watts Peak

So if I switch to a 4S pack:

599.4W / 14.8V = 40.5 Amps Average
1110W / 14.8V = 74 Amps peak

Pretty big jump in amp draw

[HowNot2fly]

Also remember if you drop the voltage, your amp draw will go up.

Here's a amp chart from my setup with gentle flying a few full collective punchouts (+10 degrees). Notice it runs on average around 27 amps and spikes at 50 amps.

So with a 6S pack, that's:

22.2V x 27A = 599.4 Watts Average
22.2V x 50A = 1110 Watts Peak

So if I switch to a 4S pack:

599.4W / 14.8V = 40.5 Amps Average
1110W / 14.8V = 74 Amps peak

Pretty big jump in amp draw
oh man,now its all rocket science :eek: ,how will i ever learn to fly helis? :D

[HowNot2fly]

but i hope to do this one day with es600 http://youtube.com/watch?v=lh8sB5JZ6G8 :)

[Tweekster]

oh man,now its all rocket science :eek: ,how will i ever learn to fly helis? :D

Hang in there! ;)

You'll pick it up.

[HowNot2fly]

Hang in there! ;)

You'll pick it up.
thanks Tweek,the hover part was not that hard, the nose in hover was little hardder but flying around is like oh crap!!!! dumb thumbs all the way :eek:

[cfrank2005]

Hi HowNot2Fly..one thing I've learnt from this hobby is lots and lots of patience. just when all hope is lost after a crash, I've found satisfaction is the rebuilding and another lesson learnt of what NOT to do again. The best feeling is when you've accomplished a new move with your heli, and the zest for more.

[jsy nobby]

Also remember if you drop the voltage, your amp draw will go up.

Here's a amp chart from my setup with gentle flying a few full collective punchouts (+10 degrees). Notice it runs on average around 27 amps and spikes at 50 amps.

So with a 6S pack, that's:

22.2V x 27A = 599.4 Watts Average
22.2V x 50A = 1110 Watts Peak

So if I switch to a 4S pack:

599.4W / 14.8V = 40.5 Amps Average
1110W / 14.8V = 74 Amps peak

Pretty big jump in amp draw

I see your point...Maybe I'll just order the 1200kv motor and be done with it.

[jsy nobby]

Why me? Guess whose new Align tail rotor hub had waayyy too much Thread locking compound in one of the female threads? 1.5mm endfloat on one grip....Don't these guys know that you can't compress fluid? Cleaned it out with an M3 tap and replaced the Allen bolts and now all is as it should be....And I thought E-Sky QC was bad! :D :D

-Andy

[jsy nobby]

And to put the icing on the cake,my new Align tail rotor hub was a Eunuch.....It had NO balls!!!! :D :D Had to nick a pair off the plastic pitch control arms...I might get to fly tonight!

-Andy

[Tweekster]

And to put the icing on the cake,my new Align tail rotor hub was a Eunuch.....It had NO balls!!!! :D :D Had to nick a pair off the plastic pitch control arms...I might get to fly tonight!

-Andy


Did you get this one?

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_233_242&products_id=2221


Or this one?

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_233_242&products_id=1964


The first one is longer (the one I used), increasing your tail rotor radius, and also has the nice thrust bearings and longer inner shafts on the hub.

[jsy nobby]

After the Grrr comes the grin....I'm impressed! Nearly a week after I pranged it,my ES is flying again with a really good tail to boot! Tail's never held that well, but now with the Align hub and rotors I feel confident that I could quite happily pirouette and it'd stop when I say so....SWEET!!!! :D

-Andy

[jsy nobby]

Did you get this one?

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_233_242&products_id=2221


Or this one?

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_233_242&products_id=1964


The first one is longer (the one I used), increasing your tail rotor radius, and also has the nice thrust bearings and longer inner shafts on the hub.

I got the first one which, as you say, seems to have been made a tad longer,it says "new tail rotor holder" on the packet.My Smart's tail doesn't touch the deck when the battery pack's onboard but I modded the stock fin a smidge to give 6mm clearance just in case. I drilled a small hole in the bottom of the fin and glued in a piece of music wire. I'm chuffed! :D

-Andy

[mysticmead]

you might want to be careful about the music wire extension... have seen a video of someone that did something like that on his raptor 60...yet when he landed (it was an auto) it caused the tail to bounce upward...result was a boom strike.

[Tweekster]

I got the first one which, as you say, seems to have been made a tad longer,it says "new tail rotor holder" on the packet.My Smart's tail doesn't touch the deck when the battery pack's onboard but I modded the stock fin a smidge to give 6mm clearance just in case. I drilled a small hole in the bottom of the fin and glued in a piece of music wire. I'm chuffed! :D

-Andy

Nice! :D

[jsy nobby]

you might want to be careful about the music wire extension... have seen a video of someone that did something like that on his raptor 60...yet when he landed (it was an auto) it caused the tail to bounce upward...result was a boom strike.

Hmmm... I really don't think this little piece of wire is going to cause a boom strike somehow...Stuffing a heli into the deck with negative pitch on the blades and flaring a little too late will though... :D :p


-Andy

[mysticmead]

you're probably right...his wire was a bit longer... then again, unless you're landing on a hard surface, doubt that will do much to help either.. as long as the tail stays out of the grass, you should be fine.. hope the Trex tail works as good for you as it has on the Hurricane 550

[cfrank2005]

Go Andy...go! Guess where my Es600 vert. tail fin ended up?..hehe on my Protos. Broke mine while taking her out of my car.Stock was too flimsy and brittle. Look at the tail in this pic.

[jsy nobby]

Go Andy...go! Guess where my Es600 vert. tail fin ended up?..hehe on my Protos. Broke mine while taking her out of my car.Stock was too flimsy and brittle. Look at the tail in this pic.

Looks a damned sight better than the H.stab.!!!! Might well be time to find something a tad bigger Mr C! :D

[sting35]

How many ppl are still flying the stock tail? My Align tail is all set to go... I'll try it out today if it doesn't rain. Then (assuming it comes down in one piece) I'll throw the DS8900G on the tail and see if it really makes a difference. :D

[nuttcaze]

I'll be flying mine with a stock tail once my parts get here sat, w00t, finally gonna be able to go fly one of my ES600's, the one I crashed is still down waiting for parts but my new one should be up and going by Sat night, fingers crossed

[jsy nobby]

How many ppl are still flying the stock tail? My Align tail is all set to go... I'll try it out today if it doesn't rain. Then (assuming it comes down in one piece) I'll throw the DS8900G on the tail and see if it really makes a difference. :D

Until last friday I was...Then I crashed and now I'm not....BIG BIG BIG difference in performance. Well worth doing. You'll see.... :D :D ;)

-Andy

[HowNot2fly]

mine is all stock,i hope for some CF fins in the future :)

[nuttcaze]

I like stock, stock is good when you still crash like me :cool:

[jsy nobby]

I like stock, stock is good when you still crash like me :cool:

You still need to learn how to set up a CCPM helicopter properly....Plug and pray don't work with these things.... :rolleyes: :D

-Andy

[sting35]

Until last friday I was...Then I crashed and now I'm not....BIG BIG BIG difference in performance. Well worth doing. You'll see.... :D :D ;)

-Andy

Foreguess... ermm, forecast is for 'cloudy with t-storms' so, it might have to wait until tomorrow to see. :(

[jsy nobby]

For those of you who are interested,I made a little video of what 3 seperated Lipo cells do when you slice the envelopes and immerse them in brine.....Looks kind of gross..... I dread to think what kind of fumes these things are giving off. I got arcs from the blade when I sliced 'em open....

-Andy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vt8Lib_u_Q

[jsy nobby]

Foreguess... ermm, forecast is for 'cloudy with t-storms' so, it might have to wait until tomorrow to see. :(

Bummer...For the little niggles I had with mine,it was well worth the hassle. :D

[LockMD]

For those of you who are interested,I made a little video of what 3 seperated Lipo cells do when you slice the envelopes and immerse them in brine.....Looks kind of gross..... I dread to think what kind of fumes these things are giving off. I got arcs from the blade when I sliced 'em open....

-Andy



What are you trying to show? I expected to see 3 flat cells? couldnt tell what it was :confused:

[jsy nobby]

What are you trying to show? I expected to see 3 flat cells? couldnt tell what it was :confused:

3 cells from a puffed 1300 mah 11.1v pack. I seperated them,sliced the envelopes and then put them in a saucepan with salty water....Nearly 2 hours ago and the little suckers are still bubbling away...I'm scared to go to bed in case something crazy happens..... :eek: :eek: :censored: We have smoke alarms though...

[sting35]

I'd put that sauce pan outside before I turned in. :eek:

[Dennis H.]

3 cells from a puffed 1300 mah 11.1v pack. I seperated them,sliced the envelopes and then put them in a saucepan with salty water....Nearly 2 hours ago and the little suckers are still bubbling away...I'm scared to go to bed in case something crazy happens..... :eek: :eek: :censored: We have smoke alarms though...

Andy, I still say go fish for JAWS! That more fun than watching your li-po in a saucepan :D

I maybe wrong, But I thought I read somewhere that you need to leave them in the salt water for a week??

[john339]

Andy Andy Andy I guess it's too late to tell you now but the fumes will kill off brain cells tres rapide! As little as 10 seconds will put you back to when you were in 4th or 5th grade.
Now you will probably go out and purchase toys and spend a large amount of your money on them!
Oh wait! I think we all must have breathed some of those fumes at one time as I see many toys on the wall and some on the workbench in my garage.
When will the wind cease? That is the question. I am getting where I will risk the Monster in the wind just to get some piloting time in.

[sting35]

Andy Andy Andy I guess it's too late to tell you now but the fumes will kill off brain cells tres rapide! As little as 10 seconds will put you back to when you were in 4th or 5th grade.
Now you will probably go out and purchase toys and spend a large amount of your money on them!
Oh wait! I think we all must have breathed some of those fumes at one time as I see many toys on the wall and some on the workbench in my garage.
When will the wind cease? That is the question. I am getting where I will risk the Monster in the wind just to get some piloting time in.

What a ridiculous theory. Why I've breathed lipo fumes for years now and it's had no effect on... umm.... umm... oh, oh, me lose brain. :confused:

[LockMD]

Andy Andy Andy I guess it's too late to tell you now but the fumes will kill off brain cells tres rapide! As little as 10 seconds will put you back to when you were in 4th or 5th grade.
Now you will probably go out and purchase toys and spend a large amount of your money on them!
Oh wait! I think we all must have breathed some of those fumes at one time as I see many toys on the wall and some on the workbench in my garage.
When will the wind cease? That is the question. I am getting where I will risk the Monster in the wind just to get some piloting time in.



GREAT! now when I have questions Andy's response will be "goo goo gaa gaa" so much for rocket science :D

John, I do risk it but I have cover by ducking below the fence line in my backyard, I would not risk her at the field. And at the field the wind is constantly swirling so you never know what to do......we need a better (FLAT) field.

[nuttcaze]

You still need to learn how to set up a CCPM helicopter properly....Plug and pray don't work with these things.... :rolleyes: :D

-Andy

I didn't mean crashing due to improper set up, I know thats what caused my last crash, I'm more refering to the fact that I'm still learning to fly, thats why I still crash alot :D

[Tweekster]

Go Andy...go! Guess where my Es600 vert. tail fin ended up?..hehe on my Protos. Broke mine while taking her out of my car.Stock was too flimsy and brittle. Look at the tail in this pic.

Hey Frank, what do you think of the Protos? I've had my eye on that one.

[HowNot2fly]

I like stock, stock is good when you still crash like me :cool:
same here,CF fins and blades in far far far future :D

[HowNot2fly]

For those of you who are interested,I made a little video of what 3 seperated Lipo cells do when you slice the envelopes and immerse them in brine.....Looks kind of gross..... I dread to think what kind of fumes these things are giving off. I got arcs from the blade when I sliced 'em open....

-Andy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vt8Lib_u_Q
am i watching the si-fi channel? :D

[HowNot2fly]

it is not es600 but its small cuosin the hbfp,this thing is crazy with the brushless motors,first clip is with my homemade symetrical blades ,the rest with walkera blades,either way this thing is insane :) http://youtube.com/watch?v=rH6wVsQsXeA

[sting35]

Dang, dang, dang! Cloudy all morning with no wind. Lunchtime comes, I stop by the Post to mail a package to the States and then head to the ball field. *AS* I'm pulling the ES600 out of the trunk of the car, big fat drops start falling. No flying today. Guess I'll just go ahead and put the DS8900G on tonight.

[john339]

HowNot2fly Get out of your garage! You need room to recover if, when, things go bad.
I have crashed many times in my garage, then many times in the driveway and then not so many times in the yard.
Then to a field and I then had more room to recover and it made a big difference.
I encourage you to go wherever you have more room. Oh yes, watch out for overhead lamps and wires. Don't ask how I know to look for those nasty things. :) :) :)

[HowNot2fly]

yes yes yes, i would love to go outside, but at 37mph winds today i dont think i will,i realy want to take all my helis out but that dang wind :(, yes i understand what you saying John but i think i will crash much faster in 37 mph wind then in my garage,dang it,it realy sucks when you get couple of helis fixed and its windy or as Sting said start to rain :(,oh well,there is always tomorrow :)

[cfrank2005]

Hey Frank, what do you think of the Protos? I've had my eye on that one.
Hi Tweek..I think she's a real beaut, the build went very smoothly, with many similarities with other helis I have built so far. The design that really stood out was the way that the belt drive goes around the motor, main gear and the tail pulley with the auto-rotation gear on the pinion itself. This design makes her a very quiet heli to fly. As u can probably tell from the photos, she's also very attractive and sure to attract lots of passer-bys. Only 2 issues seems to stand out, one being the tail pulley (being sorted out now by Corrado from MSHeli) and the canopy being too brittle. Being a new release helicopter, and the first by MSHeli, I'm very impressed by the quality of the finished product. This is a definite must own heli, for helicopter afficionados.
Check out this thread:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=868829
or this:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=867472
for more information re the Protos where I have contributed to.

[jsy nobby]

Andy, I still say go fish for JAWS! That more fun than watching your li-po in a saucepan :D

I maybe wrong, But I thought I read somewhere that you need to leave them in the salt water for a week??

The day I go shark fishing I'll be going on a great big boat with a fishing rod and some wire traces! Opinions vary on as to how long you should leave Lipos soak.I read that it was a day....Anyways,those 3 cells are now in the bin and I didn't set the place alight! :cool: :D

-Andy

[john339]

Andy I have sat through many videos of choppers and airplanes flying and crashing but I think you have won the prize for the most boring video ever seen.
I congratulate you.
Now we will have to have a competition and see who can top your video.
Your video was chopper related so I cannot video my woodpile and enter it in the competition. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .....
Maybe Larry and I could get together and he could video me holding my Monster E600 and dozing in the sun. Maybe sipping a cold beverage? :cool:
I bet we could take first place in the most boring video if we put our combined minds to it.
The most amazing thing is that we all probably watched your video waiting for something to happen. Sorta like paint drying.
Hey there is another winning idea. Paint the canopy of my E600 nad then video it drying :confused:
Your next video better be your chopper or the jet flying or you will never live it down :) :) :) :) :)

[LockMD]

Andy I have sat through many videos of choppers and airplanes flying and crashing but I think you have won the prize for the most boring video ever seen.
I congratulate you.
Now we will have to have a competition and see who can top your video.
Your video was chopper related so I cannot video my woodpile and enter it in the competition. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .....
Maybe Larry and I could get together and he could video me holding my Monster E600 and dozing in the sun. Maybe sipping a cold beverage? :cool:
I bet we could take first place in the most boring video if we put our combined minds to it.
The most amazing thing is that we all probably watched your video waiting for something to happen. Sorta like paint drying.
Hey there is another winning idea. Paint the canopy of my E600 nad then video it drying :confused:
Your next video better be your chopper or the jet flying or you will never live it down :) :) :) :) :)



OMG John too funny thanks for the laugh on this SLOW day at work :(

[HowNot2fly]

LMAO :),paint the canopy and video it drying :),hmm that gives me idea,i`m gonna make 3hr vid of lipos charging :) j/k

[jsy nobby]

Ok Guys....Planning on strapping the camera to my bike/crash helmet tomorrow and going for a ride with my friend on his new bike,so at least you'll get to look at a bit of local scenery! :D :D

-Andy