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Jocke
Jul 05, 2007, 06:00 AM
Been starting to put togheter a 29% Giles, very nice light build, but there has been som problem with qualety and pices fitting togheter badly so the build has taken longer time than i expected.
Will start by using the folowing setup:
Actro 60-175
26x15" Mejzlik E
Jeti SPIN 99
10s Flightpower EVO25 3700
We will see how this low rev motor performs, perhaps it would be better for a smaler motor stat spinns 20-22" insted like the Actro 40, Pletti EVO30 or simular.
vito(french)
Jul 06, 2007, 04:03 PM
where did you buy this magnific plane??
Dell C.
Jul 06, 2007, 11:47 PM
http://ohiomodelplanes.com/giles/
Jocke
Jul 07, 2007, 06:39 AM
I think the modell originaly was bought tru swedish hobby shop called Österunds modellhobby.
http://www.modellhobby.com/
Next week we will continue bulding, i hope its a good flyer!
Dell C.
Jul 07, 2007, 10:59 AM
One of the local guys had one.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=472012
G.P.
Aug 14, 2007, 08:55 AM
Did you ever get this one flying? I have one with an O.S. 1.60 and it flys great. I have another one in a box that I may electrify one day when the cost of lipos comes down a little more.
BTW, what issues did you have during assembly? I can't recall having any issues. I did epoxy some carbon rods in the gear legs to make them stronger, but that's the only mod that I did.
Best of luck,
Greg
Jocke
Aug 14, 2007, 09:52 AM
Hi, im still working on her, testing the acto 60 with the new SPIN 99 and a few new props, i need to get the diameter of the props down from 26-28" to 24" max so i will go 3 or 4 blade. Problem was things diddent fitt togheter adn bad hardwere stuff... motor is installed now, as soon as i have time i will finnish her and make final testing... then up in the air, after that see if i need another motor.
spyderron
Aug 14, 2007, 10:43 AM
I've got one w/ a Neu 1515 2y + 6.7:1 gb. I use a 22 X 10 APC for 2950 watts WOT. Hovers on less than 1/3 throttle (never have approached WOT on any flight). Total weight w/ 2 EVO 5s 3700's in series is 10lbs 13oz.
Durring the build I changed the landing gear to Graph Tech which added a couple of ounces to the total weight but is much stronger. I get 10-11 min. of good, hard 3D flight on the 3700's (It's that efficiency, Jocke! :) ). Great plane, flys like a foamy!!
G.P.
Aug 14, 2007, 11:08 AM
Let us know how it goes Jocke!
Thanks for the info spyderron. That sounds like one heck of a setup, I may have to give that a try one day. Mine hovers at about 3/4 throttle, so that extra power would be a welcome change.
Jocke
Aug 14, 2007, 01:19 PM
I've got one w/ a Neu 1515 2y + 6.7:1 gb. I use a 22 X 10 APC for 2950 watts WOT. Hovers on less than 1/3 throttle (never have approached WOT on any flight). Total weight w/ 2 EVO 5s 3700's in series is 10lbs 13oz.
Durring the build I changed the landing gear to Graph Tech which added a couple of ounces to the total weight but is much stronger. I get 10-11 min. of good, hard 3D flight on the 3700's (It's that efficiency, Jocke! :) ). Great plane, flys like a foamy!!
What is your rpm, Amp, Volt ?
Jocke
Aug 14, 2007, 01:23 PM
I like the plane, one can fitt many motor setups in it from 8-12s motors from 400-900g, was thinking about 1000w/kg with 25" for a while but have gave up that idea at this moment, first tests with the actro 60 on 24x12" 3blade and see how it goes. From other tests the EVO25 3700 sems to have some nice performance and little heat build under high load.
davidsons
Aug 14, 2007, 10:59 PM
I found it to be a pleasant build for the most part. I did replace some of the stock control horns but used everything else in the kit.
And one more good motor setup Jocke.
My setup and video here.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7991311&postcount=323
Steve
Jocke
Aug 15, 2007, 12:45 AM
I found it to be a pleasant build for the most part. I did replace some of the stock control horns but used everything else in the kit.
And one more good motor setup Jocke.
My setup and video here.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7991311&postcount=323
Steve
Nice and light setup! what rpm, Amp and Volts are you getting?
davidsons
Aug 15, 2007, 07:24 AM
Hacker C50 12XL 6.7:1
Tanic 9s 3650
20x10 prop
32.97 volts
60.9 amps
2009 watts
10.8 #
186 watts/#
Have not tached it yet.
Steve
Jocke
Aug 15, 2007, 03:49 PM
Hacker C50 12XL 6.7:1
Tanic 9s 3650
20x10 prop
32.97 volts
60.9 amps
2009 watts
10.8 #
186 watts/#
Have not tached it yet.
Steve
Is that 20x10APCE? would be nice with rpm data also!
davidsons
Aug 15, 2007, 03:51 PM
Yes.
I'll tach it if I fly this weekend.
Steve
Jocke
Aug 17, 2007, 03:11 PM
Motor installed, also 3blade tested, SPIN99 spins the actro 60 very nicely.
23x12" 3 blade RASA tested aswell as Mejzlik E 26x15", will also try a 24x12" 3blade Mejzlik soon.
I like multiblade props, more trust with less torq movment, better ground clerance, better looks, better sound, better acceleration.
Jocke
Aug 18, 2007, 04:18 PM
Maiden done, no problem at all, i have forgoten how quiet the actro runs... sooo smoooth.... you can only hear the plane, prop and sometimes the servos working, as i suspected i need 24" 3blade prop, later also a 12s Lipo pack, now its a nice performer, but i want more ;) will also try to test the new Jeti MAX BEC.
I have been having alot of problem putting this plane togheter, now after flight i can only say... it was worth it! :)
davidsons
Aug 18, 2007, 05:22 PM
Congrats Jocke!
Why do you need 12s?
Here's the numbers from my 9s setup with 20x10E prop.
33.63 volts
63.1 amps
2122 watts
6330 rpm
This was after about 20-30 seconds of WOT.
Stuck a Xoar 21x10 wood electric prop on just to see.
33.95 volts
73.3 amps
2491 watts
4395 rpm
Took this reading almost immediately b/c I don't like to draw this many amps from my packs.
Steve
Jocke
Aug 19, 2007, 09:49 AM
Thank you,
The actro 60 has low KV and wants to spin big props, for this plane to big, so going up to 24x12 3blade and 2 more cells would help i think. First i felt maby this motor would be to big for the airframe, but with the wings in forward possition i needed to but the batterys way up front to get good CG, i only use 2x HS225 MG in the stab.
Your performance is very simular to what could be expected from and Xtra 25-13, for me this motor is to light, maby a 5-600g motor and 12s could work in future and spin max 22", will test more with the actro 60 first, 12s or the 60-200 for 10s. You feel you are getting good overall performance with your setup?
Some pics of the final product.
davidsons
Aug 19, 2007, 02:40 PM
You feel you are getting good overall performance with your setup?
Yep! :D
Jocke
Aug 19, 2007, 04:09 PM
Nice :)
kmp647
Aug 19, 2007, 04:52 PM
ok Jocke, whats a "jeti max" ?????
Jocke
Aug 19, 2007, 05:56 PM
http://www.jetimodel.cz/eng/max-bec_en.html
spyderron
Aug 20, 2007, 05:57 PM
Here are the numbers from my Neu 1515 2y 6.7:1
APC 22X10 and 2-5s 4000mAh Max Amps.
WOT 10 sec:
94.9 amps
30.7 volts
2955 watts
I’ve been having trouble downloading my Eagle Tree Data Recorder so I can’t give the RPM under WOT conditions at the present. But data from previous flights w/ mostly 3D and some pattern give these numbers:
68.47 max amps
31.43 min volts (37.45 avg volts)
5740 max rpm
2652 mAh used for 10 min flight
As you can see, I don’t get close to WOT in the air; plently of power. This is a good setup.
My next project is a 30% w/ a Neu 1521 on 12s
Ron
Jocke
Aug 21, 2007, 06:22 AM
How many cellst do you run in serie?
davidsons
Aug 21, 2007, 07:23 AM
2-5s 4000mAh Max Amps
spyderron
Aug 21, 2007, 10:15 AM
I use both the 4000 and 4200 Max Amps plus a couple of sets of EVO 3700's in 5s packs combined in series for 10s. I'd like to try some TP Xtreme's in 5s but I going to 6s with the Neu 1521.
Gas is certainly less expensive for 30% and larger planes vs lipo cost for a day of flying.
Jocke
Aug 21, 2007, 03:45 PM
So the cells are dropping down to almost 3v/cell on full burst, isent that abit low ?
spyderron
Aug 21, 2007, 07:13 PM
WOT = 30.7 volts STATIC
In Flight = 31.43 volts minimum (on uplines, pullouts, etc)
= 37.45 volts average
Jocke
Aug 22, 2007, 12:35 PM
Just recived a Mejzlik 24x12" 3blade, will test this on actro 60-175 but also thinking of trying a 200 or 225kv version, later also a Xtra EVO30 on 10s and Mejzlik 22x12" would be a nice mix, the reported performance on the EVO is awsome, but for this lighter motor i need to change wing more aft to get good CG, i dont want to ad dead weight in the nose. hope this doasen effect the "pattern" flying of the Giles.
Where do you have your wings and CG ?
spyderron
Aug 22, 2007, 08:19 PM
My wings are located at the center location of the slot. The CG is 1/4" (6mm) away (toward the nose) from the most aft location as recommended in the manual (I can't remember what the actual dimension is; I have it marked w/ push-pin heads on the bottom of the wing. That way I can check the CG when I lift the Giles).
Jocke
Aug 24, 2007, 12:58 AM
How doas she fly with your wing settings?
davidsons
Aug 24, 2007, 07:36 AM
spyderron
Would also like to know how she flies at that wing setting and cg. Do you feel it's a little nose heavy? I have my wing in the farthest aft position and have the cg over 1" aft of the recommended and it's still slightly nose heavy. Would like to know how your's knife edges, tumbles (waterfall), hovers and harriers?
Steve
Jocke
Aug 26, 2007, 11:18 AM
With the Mejzlik 24x12" 3blade it loads the motor to 2,4kw, the plane now has very nice power, the combination of the actro 60, SPIN99 and 3blade Mejzlik 4400rpm makes the powersystem so unbeliveble quiet and so smoooth, all earlier propblems with the actro 60 on many other controllers i have tryed are gone, it start and accelerate this big prop without any problem at all, i dont even have a timedelay set on the controller, i know many flyers gave up using the actro 60 motors becas of all the problem with diffrent controllers, the 175 version had erlier problem with fast acceleration slose to 75-80A... well not any more ;) combination with SPIN and actro 60 is simply superb!
If you have problem with your actro 60, i recomend getting a SPIN77/99/200 with Jeti box, set it up, 30degree timing, 8khz, 1sec timedelay, with 160 or 175 kv version and 36+V with Mejzlik 26x15"E or 3blade 24x12" you will have a high efficient and smoth running powerfull setup :) for rpm reading set it as 12 pole.
More testing to come....
davidsons
Aug 28, 2007, 08:46 AM
Here's more video from this weekend. I think this is going to be a great all around plane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhaRfn-g06Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ercgroups%2Ecom%2Fforums%2F
spyderron
Aug 28, 2007, 10:28 AM
My CG feels about right. Once I got it trimmed for lateral balance and tweeked in some rudder - aileron/elevator mix everything has smoothed out. A little wing rock going into harriers until you get it nice and deep and then it's solid. Waterfalls spin just a touch aft of the CG but look great! Knife edge is good, too. The flat spins, both upright and inverted are spectacular! The only minor fault that I find is that it occasionally wants to drop the port wing when it comes out of some slow upright maneuvers. Other than that, GREAT PLANE!
davidsons
Aug 28, 2007, 10:33 AM
spyderron
Do you have any video? Would like to see the harriers and waterfalls.
Steve
Jocke
Oct 18, 2007, 08:36 AM
Termination time ;) this beuty will be installed in the Giles and tested, looking good, almost exact weight and size as the actro 60 so there shouldent be any problem.
Rewinded actro 60 on the way for test in the Giles also, kv of about 220 instead of 175.
Later perhaps the Terminator will be installed in a bigger airframe so i can max it out, pepole flying hard 3D on 2,2-2,5m airframes with this motor, like the Predator its a pice of high qualety TNT.
Jocke
Oct 19, 2007, 06:52 AM
Motor installed, new landing gear, motor mount reinforced, test flight done hehe :)
5040rpm
24x12" 3 blade Mejzlik
100Amp
35v
Almost same power as the Katana... tons of power.
G.P.
Oct 19, 2007, 10:45 AM
That's insane! :eek: Let us know how the Giles holds up to that kind of power.
What did you do for gear and mount mods? Did you notice any changes in the way it flys with the added weight? -Greg
Jocke
Oct 19, 2007, 05:17 PM
I dident add any weight, Terminator is same weight as actro 60, only more power ;) with one high adrenaline 8min flight under the belt, she sems to hold up nice, but full trottle is only possible on pullouts and vertical, otherwise you risk it.
I can post some pics of gear mount, its a aluminium gear, better prop clerens and more flexible than the stock carbon ones.
With bigger batterys and higher timing i think 4kw on this prop is possible, for more power a 12s is needed.
G.P.
Oct 19, 2007, 05:49 PM
I dident add any weight, Terminator is same weight as actro 60, only more power ;) with one high adrenaline 8min flight under the belt, she sems to hold up nice, but full trottle is only possible on pullouts and vertical, otherwise you risk it.
I can post some pics of gear mount, its a aluminium gear, better prop clerens and more flexible than the stock carbon ones.
With bigger batterys and higher timing i think 4kw on this prop is possible, for more power a 12s is needed.That's sweet. I thought that you would of had to go to bigger batteries pulling that many more amps. Sorry if I missed it, but what is your AUW?
One day I hope that the prices of lipos and chargers will come down so that I can justify putting something like that in my giles. I could justify going that route over gas/glow if I was only going to buy one set of batts, but who wants to drive to the field for one flight? I don't think I could charge those off the truck battery; I would need a generator to charge something like that!:eek:
Jocke
Oct 21, 2007, 03:05 AM
4 flights now with this setup, about 7-8min actually, it hovers and tq rolls real nice, pull outs are realy fast. 4 Flight was made by a team member from Flighttec UK, after 3,4min the controller cut off in a bad situation, fuselage broke in 2, other than that its good, i will repair it this winter, untill then find another home for this awsome setup ;) upload some pics later.
G.P.
Oct 21, 2007, 12:33 PM
Sorry to hear that Jocke. Do you have any idea why the controller cut out? That would really suck to have it happen again.
I bet your setup hovers nice, that's practically a three blade heli rotor you've got on it!
Jocke
Oct 21, 2007, 03:59 PM
It cut of becas of temp, sitting behing firewall without no extra cooling, better cooling on these powerlevels and hard 3D is needed.
Jocke
Oct 22, 2007, 05:51 AM
Some pics
Jocke
Oct 24, 2007, 03:53 AM
Movie, Ian watson testing the Giles.
http://www.junkshop.nu/flyg/paldalen_20071020/paldalen_giles_big.wmv
32mb
G.P.
Oct 24, 2007, 08:31 AM
That's some of the nicest Giles video that I have seen to date!:cool: Terrible ending though.:(
Jocke
Oct 24, 2007, 12:48 PM
As it seems now we will install the Terminator in a WildHare Extra 300, little bigger so it should be abul to swallow the power better, when the Giles is fixed an actro 60-200 on 10s will be installed, tested one before on an "old" controller so i know it can deliver some nice power on 10s.
Seems that i need a new canopy and crowl, anyone knows where one could get some spare parts for the Giles?
G.P.
Oct 24, 2007, 02:58 PM
As it seems now we will install the Terminator in a WildHare Extra 300, little bigger so it should be abul to swallow the power better, when the Giles is fixed an actro 60-200 on 10s will be installed, tested one before on an "old" controller so i know it can deliver some nice power on 10s.
Seems that i need a new canopy and crowl, anyone knows where one could get some spare parts for the Giles?I just got a spare canopy from Ultra RC. Some people have taken the business over for the purpose of liquidating everything. The phone doesn't work anymore, but they did respond to my emails. My canopy showed up today (along with a Katana Extreme:D ) and it was well packed and completely as advertised. I actually emailed them through Ebay. Just search Ultra RC and some planes will come up. That may be the quickest response.
Also Great Hobbies (http://www.greathobbies.com/productinfo/?prod_id=OMPGIL29A) did have some last week for $350. I picked up a whole spare plane. The inventory is showing out of stock now, but it is usually wrong. Try giving them a call.
BTW, that was some wicked pull out power in the video.:eek: -Greg
happyloop
Oct 25, 2007, 04:09 AM
Termination time ;) this beuty will be installed in the Giles and tested, looking good, almost exact weight and size as the actro 60 so there shouldent be any problem.
Rewinded actro 60 on the way for test in the Giles also, kv of about 220 instead of 175.
Later perhaps the Terminator will be installed in a bigger airframe so i can max it out, pepole flying hard 3D on 2,2-2,5m airframes with this motor, like the Predator its a pice of high qualety TNT.
Hi Jocke,
Soo, you enjoy the Terminator's power as well :)
The 3blade 24/12 is really huge. I run the Rasa 2blade 24/12 on mine!
The Gilles got loooot of power with this setting!
For a bigger airframe, you know already which one is working well with the Terminator ;)
About your mishap with the Gilles, is it with the Spin 99? :(
I got my first motor stall last week in a Somenzini Spin. I thing that the "foldable" rasa prop was to tightly screwed and quite no more "foldable" but with the Somenzini Spin brutality, it folded anyway, stopping the prop on the motor cowl. The Yak was then dead stick at no speed at around 30m height, just enough to land in emergency in a field ending up sid down. The landing gear was wider and my canopy cracked :(
Repare was quick anyway and I did the spin again with a free prop (I mean free in the foldable axe) and it works perfectly ... up to now :p
Jocke
Oct 25, 2007, 04:36 AM
Jepp, the prop is big for the size of plane, but it handles it quite well in fact, hovers about 25% power, with bigger cells than the EVO25 3700 better duration and power is expected.
Controller is SPIN99 that handles the power, but it just havent got enough cooling behind firewall, it cutout not becas of the power or amp draw, the flight was about 25A average, the controller is designed to handle this, but with to many low speed manovers there is not enough airflow for it.
Love the design of motor, its just like a smaler Predator, same design, runns smoth and cool, not as quiet as the actro 60, but that could be becas of the increesed power and prop rpm.
happyloop
Oct 25, 2007, 05:40 AM
Jepp, the prop is big for the size of plane, but it handles it quite well in fact, hovers about 25% power, with bigger cells than the EVO25 3700 better duration and power is expected.
Controller is SPIN99 that handles the power, but it just havent got enough cooling behind firewall, it cutout not becas of the power or amp draw, the flight was about 25A average, the controller is designed to handle this, but with to many low speed manovers there is not enough airflow for it.
Love the design of motor, its just like a smaler Predator, same design, runns smoth and cool, not as quiet as the actro 60, but that could be becas of the increesed power and prop rpm.
Thank you for the prescision.
Did you check what was the max temperature you got with the spin 99?
And what is your max amps?
Actually, I was thinking to try this one to save around 220gr compare to the spin 200, which is too powerfull for my set-up.
Jocke
Oct 25, 2007, 07:40 AM
Max temp 104c after 3,44min i think, max amp static 100A, 5050rpm. As long as your average Amp draw isent more than 25Amp, you will be ok on a 100-120A setup for 10min with good cooling over the controller, its also possible to mount a 12v PC fan over the heat sinks.
Fly 3min then sheck ESC temp in Jeti box, if its not over 70c go for 3min more and do the same, not over 70 a full flight would be possible, but bare in mind that there will be some nice warm summer days also ;)
Jocke
Oct 25, 2007, 07:49 AM
That's sweet. I thought that you would of had to go to bigger batteries pulling that many more amps. Sorry if I missed it, but what is your AUW?
One day I hope that the prices of lipos and chargers will come down so that I can justify putting something like that in my giles. I could justify going that route over gas/glow if I was only going to buy one set of batts, but who wants to drive to the field for one flight? I don't think I could charge those off the truck battery; I would need a generator to charge something like that!:eek:
Charging from a 12v car battery is no problem, we usaly have a 94Ah 12v car battery with us to charge from, even fast charging is possible, we usally run 2-3chargers on this battery, i also charge my 15s2p setup on same battery with 2 chargers 1c.
G.P.
Oct 25, 2007, 08:39 AM
Nice setup!
I just remembered that OMP had some Giles kits a few weeks ago. They didn't have any spare parts though. They wanted to make me a good deal on a whole airframe, so that may be an option. I also received an Ultra RC Katana yesterday and the wing bags have 2KRC.com printed on them. I went to the website and it looks pretty run down, but they do have some pictures of the Giles on it. Maybe you can get some parts through them. -Greg
happyloop
Oct 25, 2007, 09:45 AM
Max temp 104c after 3,44min i think, max amp static 100A, 5050rpm. As long as your average Amp draw isent more than 25Amp, you will be ok on a 100-120A setup for 10min with good cooling over the controller, its also possible to mount a 12v PC fan over the heat sinks.
Fly 3min then sheck ESC temp in Jeti box, if its not over 70c go for 3min more and do the same, not over 70 a full flight would be possible, but bare in mind that there will be some nice warm summer days also ;)
Jocke, I plan to put the Jeti opto 99 on the plate closing my Yak engine cowl, just below and behind the motor. So, it will be in the prop's stream which should be excellent cooling. But I suppose I have to put some silicone to make it waterproof :confused:
I plan to fly on 12S FP5000 F3A but limiting the static at around 100A, which should give me same or even more power than on 11s, which is already very good and 7min fly time.
My average consumption is around 40A on 11S (4000mah for 6min)
For info, the Opto 200 is barely at 35°C on a 20°C day.
Thank you for sharing,
Benoit
Jocke
Oct 25, 2007, 06:25 PM
Wish you the best of luck testing the SPIN99, would be nice space and weight saving for you if it works.
edible_engine
Oct 26, 2007, 07:22 AM
That's some of the nicest Giles video that I have seen to date!:cool: Terrible ending though.:(
Thanks G.P. it was the most insanly overpowered plane i have ever flow, it was great. I knew the spin was on its limits running that motor, but my flying style is fairly power hungry. with no airflow going over the ESC in the hover, im not supprised it got so hot, and in the climbing tumble it stopped on me. its not a light setup for the plane, so i felt it being a bit tippy when i tried to pull out, unfortunatly those trees are a lot closer than they look, so i tried to turn it away and it flicked in. a real shame as it was going nicely.
thanks to Jocke for letting me fly it, and for keeping his cool when i crashed it :D
Ian
Jocke
Oct 26, 2007, 09:11 AM
Hi Ian, if you like the power in the Giles, then you should LOVE the power in the Katana ;)
ALEX HEWSON
Nov 09, 2007, 05:02 AM
I've got one w/ a Neu 1515 2y + 6.7:1 gb. I use a 22 X 10 APC for 2950 watts WOT. Hovers on less than 1/3 throttle (never have approached WOT on any flight). Total weight w/ 2 EVO 5s 3700's in series is 10lbs 13oz.
Durring the build I changed the landing gear to Graph Tech which added a couple of ounces to the total weight but is much stronger. I get 10-11 min. of good, hard 3D flight on the 3700's (It's that efficiency, Jocke! :) ). Great plane, flys like a foamy!!
Sorry just read back on this thread and found this post.
I have exactly the same motor/prop and with a 10s 4100mah pack and arent getting anywhere NEAR 2950 watts :( :confused: :( My wattmeter is only showing up with 1600 max. I want to put this combo in my 29% Giles i have just got. Any advice? Oh i tried a 21x13W APC prop and got 1700W. But still nowhere near the 3kw mark
davidsons
Nov 09, 2007, 07:27 AM
Sorry just read back on this thread and found this post.
I have exactly the same motor/prop and with a 10s 4100mah pack and arent getting anywhere NEAR 2950 watts :( :confused: :( My wattmeter is only showing up with 1600 max. I want to put this combo in my 29% Giles i have just got. Any advice? Oh i tried a 21x13W APC prop and got 1700W. But still nowhere near the 3kw mark
What 4100 pack are you using, what is the c rating on this pack and how old is it? I suspect that it's not holding voltage very well. What are the volt and amp readings from the watt meter? Also, are you using the same esc with the same settings as spyderron?
Steve
spyderron
Nov 09, 2007, 10:53 AM
My setup is with a CC110 HV. I don't have the data logger graph with me, but as I recall I'm pulling around 90 amps static with the 22 x 10. I tried a 22 x 12 and the WOT amps were close to 100 and the Giles had tons of power! I went back to the 22 x 10 because my 1515 has the standard gearbox (not the HD model) and I didn't want to stress it too much. Honestly, the Nue setup on this plane makes my 86" Quique Yak w/ a DA-50R look very underpowered.
ALEX HEWSON
Nov 10, 2007, 02:56 AM
They are HXT packs with a 25C rating. These have had only about 5 cycles and come down just barely warm with aggressive 3D in my QQ 72" Yak.
The watt meter shows 36V at 45A at around 1600W on a 21x13W prop. I'm using a Pentium 100 HV controller.
Any advice?
davidsons
Nov 10, 2007, 08:36 AM
What is the setup in your QQ 72" Yak and what are the numbers on the watt meter when you run it up?
36V seems a little low on a peaked pack but not terrible. I don't know anything about this controller. Is it programmable? Maybe it's a setting in the esc. If you don't find a solution here, I would consider contacting the motor and esc mfrs.
Steve
ALEX HEWSON
Nov 10, 2007, 11:44 PM
The setup in the yak is the same setup i am about to transplant into the Giles. So all the numbers coincide with what I have previously described.
There were no programming instructions with it when it came :confused: :(
spyderron
Nov 11, 2007, 12:47 AM
Static with 4200mAh Max Amps (10s) my watt meter reads 94.9A, 30.7V, 2955W w/ the APC 22 X 10. The in-flight data reads:
Volts = 31.43 min, 37.45 ave
Amps = 68.47 max
RPM = 5740.45 max
I never have needed WOT in flight.
Your low readings might be the ESC timing.
Ron
ALEX HEWSON
Nov 11, 2007, 04:06 AM
Does the timing really make that much of a difference?
hmm new esc? wat should I get?
Andrew McGregor
Nov 11, 2007, 06:13 AM
Timing makes a massive difference sometimes... it added 17A on my Lancair.
Hyperion 90 HV maybe? NZ$339 from RC Bandit. But if you do actually get 3kW you'll be into the burst rating of that.
KatManDEW
Nov 11, 2007, 09:53 AM
Jeti Spin 99 from Esprit Model for $295. Timing is adjustable in 1° increments, and from what I've experienced and seen reported, the Jeti's are the most reliable.
davidsons
Nov 11, 2007, 10:52 AM
I'm running a Castle Phoenix HV 85 in my Giles controlling a Hacker C50 12XL with great results. $209.95 at Castle. http://www.castlecreations.com/products/phoenix_hv-85.html
You can program via transmitter sticks or purchase a Castle Link for programming at the computer....price $24.99 at Castle Creations. http://www.castlecreations.com/products/castle_link.html
Steve
ALEX HEWSON
Nov 11, 2007, 08:15 PM
Cheers guys :)
I will look into options. If you think of any others let me know. Have a tight budget :D :p :D
davidsons
Nov 11, 2007, 08:22 PM
Cheers guys :)
I will look into options. If you think of any others let me know. Have a tight budget :D :p :D
This should fit your budget. Why don't you buy the programming card that they say works for your controller and program the esc correctly for the motor. It's pretty cheap.
https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2169
ALEX HEWSON
Nov 22, 2007, 10:32 PM
What timing should I set my ESC to for my aforementioned set-up? Low Medium Or High?
davidsons
Nov 23, 2007, 12:01 AM
What timing should I set my ESC to for my aforementioned set-up? Low Medium Or High?
http://www.neumotors.com/20061222/FAQs.html
ALEX HEWSON
Nov 24, 2007, 01:09 AM
Cheers,
I'll try medium as it was on low before.
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