F3X capable?

[Wing-span]

Are there any across F3X capable planes out there. I mean a plane that can be flown in F3F / B and J and still be competative. Conditions allowing?

Breta Furio-V perhaps or do you think different?

[timmig]

There are several that can compete in most tasks--they just won't be perfect in all.
The Furio could work--but certainly the Pike Giant can! It has the MG06 airfoil and with some camber changing--it is extremely versitile. I've flown one in F3F-- should work well in F3J as well as that was it's original intent--and F3B can hold ballast for good lift conditions and maximize speed as well. Don't think you could go wrong with it!
FWIW
Tim

[little flyer]

Tragi 705 would be a good bet. Its a MH32 but can hold +40 ounces of brass and thermals well. For that matter most F3B ships should work. They thermal and race, maybe an Espada R?

Jeff

[jofo1]

Supra...camber changes well like the MG06. Comes with three sets of joiners, zero degree make for a good looking F3F setup. Plane launches extremely well off the winch. Fast for a TD plane, wings flex abit when it turns hard on the slope, very clean aerodynmically. Just a thought...

[F3X]

Lets qualify the question a bit. Are you asking what models can do it or what models can do it competitively?
Lets be reasonable though and say what models can compete in today's F3X level contest environment and is capable of scoring 950's (normalized) or better? You know what I mean...not making 950's by a fluke or a stroke of God but legitimately having a shot in a serious comp.

I guess it also depends on what size pond you are swimming in too :rolleyes:

Lets kick it off with:
Tragi 702. Its been there and it's done that.
E2V. A oldy but a goody.
X21 for sure.
Furio. Proved it.
Estrella..No problem.
Sure any F3B type current today can do it, of course they would not be my first choice at 7:00am and 15 minute F3J fly-off. :D

[chetosmachine]

my first choice at 7:00am
At 7:00 am, my only choice for any task spells... c-o-f-f-e-e :D

Seriously, any recent f3b could do the trick. After all, it more about the pilot skill than the plane.

[djklein21]

Tom was right on the money with his suggestions. For doing it all, a large F3b plane would be best. But anyone serious about any of these competitions will pick a competition specific plane. My Pike Perfect for F3J/TD, my Aris for F3F, and my Estrella for F3b. If I wanted to do it all with one plane I would take my X-21.

A serious F3b plane will do it, but they are currently being maximized for speed and would suffer at a 15 min early mourning F3J flight, and would get their buts handed to them on the TD landing tape.

[Wing-span]

Is anybody familiar with the F3B model called 'Precious'? It's made by Breta. Tasty look'n, should do well in all of the above.

[target]

Looks Furio-ish....

When are you getting these in, Tom?

Target

[F3X]

Soon, but sorry no "Pink ones" :D

Check out my site for a little more info. I did a little House Cleaning.

[target]

Dang it! I really wanted a pink one, too!

T

[infopimp]

Not OT hopefully... Tom's got some new (used) planes on his consignment page http://www.f3x.com/htdocs/pagestuff/consignment.htm someone is gonna score

[jofo1]

I like me some Furio too...how much longer TC?

[Wing-span]

Soon, but sorry no "Pink ones" :D

Check out my site for a little more info. I did a little House Cleaning.

Well you have done a great job house cleaning, the web site is looking good with a fantastic range of models available.

[DrFragnasty]

Hi,

The Furio V did well at Jerilderie in the hands of Mike Rae; he bagged 2nd place in Open Thermal (10mins/ spot landing) and won the F3B need-for-speed.

www.lsfaustralia.org.au

Chris.

[roydor]

All F3B-ish F3J models would do great in thermal (naturally) and in distance but because of their size would be mediocre in speed.

The Superior, Xpro, Faser, Espade etc. You would need the full carbon version though which aside from the Superior, for which full carbon is the standard lay-up, will result in an increase in weight and reduce performance in early morning rounds. you would need more room for ballast. The greatest advantage are the bigger flaps for landings.

On the other hand, an F3B model would need a higher joiner for increase in dihedral angle to fly well in thermals or else its much harder to work light air (but still possible). The weight is also quite damaging to performance in light conditions, when the wind picks up the difference is much smaller. The greatest disadvantage are the smaller flaps for spot landings.

If one wants to compete for fun in all of the F3X competitions he can do this with any of the models mentioned, but in order to be really competitive you need a specialized model for each of the tasks.
No one plane could do everything perfect. For that you would need a large yet very fast, light yet very strong and stiff, racy yet floaty, stable yet agile model. Too much contradictions to be optimized for all. You would have to give up some light air performance and top speed and. It would be possible to optimize stability for all the tasks if you carry different joiners for each task but that is as far as suitable for all goes.

[jofo1]

For that you would need a large yet very fast, light yet very strong and stiff, racy yet floaty, stable yet agile model. Too much contradictions to be optimized for all. You would have to give up some light air performance and top speed and. It would be possible to optimize stability for all the tasks if you carry different joiners for each task but that is as far as suitable for all goes.
...a Full Carbon Supra, comes with 0, 2.5, 5deg joiners.

[roydor]

Yes, but you still loose the "light" factor of the Supra, giving away its most prominent feature for thermaling in light conditions.
Roy

[jofo1]

Full carbon supra auw is 64oz un-ballasted, rtf.

I would be interested to know what kind of F3B speed times have been flown with the Supra.

[little flyer]

The Pike Giant might be a good choice. It thermals, its fast, holds ballast and has HUGE flaps.

Jeff

[dhauch]

hi,
here's couple of great planes, Stratos 6 and a Victor.

the Victor is the yellow plane.

dh
www.rc-builds.com

[jofo1]

I have a Victor too, awesome airplane. Best quality I have ever seen and really fast. j

[dhauch]

Yeah, the Victor is one sweet flying plane. One of the best handling planes i've ever flown.

dh
www.rc-builds.com

[jofo1]

Anyone have a V-tail Victor fuse they want to part with? Getting no response from Lubos, but I know they are very busy keeping up with the new models. Just thought I would ask.

jwf

[glderguy]

Furio V?? Is that the same Furio V Tom Copp flew at the ISR a couple years ago? I think it was a fairly new design then?
Walter

[Terminator]

Tom flew the Furio V at this years ISR as well as Kyle Paulson schooled the troops this afternoon besting the field at white Point f3f with his Furio Vee tail...

Alan

[davidjensen]

I got to fly my Xpro at 106 oz (as heavy as I could get it) at Eagle Butte and it is not a competitve speed ship. It was very aerobatic with the 2 deg wing tip jointers. A friend has a Victor and it can move.

[jofo1]

I have a Furio on order...really looking forward to that one.

[Wing-span]

I would like to get my hands on a Victor F3B. But I don't know of anybody selling them in the UK?

[FLY F3B]

Quote by DJ:

"A serious F3b plane will do it, but they are currently being maximized for speed and would suffer at a 15 min early mourning F3J flight, and would get their buts handed to them on the TD landing tape."

I would not be so cavalier about the "maximized for speed" thing... and put a skeg on the Altus, and I will hit the spot consistently enough. I agree about early morning dead air float...it depends on the launch...so if that is matched to all airplanes in question, then I would have to give the best sink rate prize to the bigger spanned, lighter loaded models.

My 2.5 centavos :)

[roydor]

F3J is without any skegs, so there go your landings...

[FLY F3B]

Not so fast... I was referring to a more stringent landing task than J or B....our very own (US) TD (Thermal Duration) contests... B planes can hit the spot with or without skegs. Just manage your energy man, manage your energy :)

[craignzcd]

:D gidday mike...look forward to seeing the altus fly and land too......only a week and a bit before heading to emmen........catch you there for a beer.....cheers craig

[Wing-span]

Sorry guys,

What is the Altus?

[FLY F3B]

Sorry guys,

What is the Altus?


Check out the f3b team page for photo's - go to the gallery...

The Altus is Dieter Perlick's T-tail tiger! beautiful glider for F3B....at least that is what I am using it for.
click on www.teamusaf3b.com

[FLY F3B]

:D gidday mike...look forward to seeing the altus fly and land too......only a week and a bit before heading to emmen........catch you there for a beer.....cheers craig.

Cheers Craig,

Looking forward to our little get-together also. mmmmm beer!