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aussieuav
May 28, 2007, 06:27 PM
(Passing this on from an acquaintance)

Hi guys,

Last week a 9ft polyhedral glider with brushless motor and small prop was placed on a carpark near a beach in Sydney, Australia. It took off and I followed it in a car for just over half an hour where it landed at another carpark not far from the beach. Distance flown was about 30kms.

No one here in Sydney was flying it. The pilot was in Perth.

Here is how it was done:

1. board and hard drive from an intel mac mini computer running windoze. hooked up to 12V lipos. details of how to do this came from one of the mac mini websites where they show how to put a mac mini in a car and wire it up for 12V.
2. two ninja pan/tilt controllers plugged into the mac mini. these are x10 products and they were taken apart and hooked (metal rods) up to run elevator, rudder and microswitch for the motor.
3. nextg broadband wireless usb modem which put the mini on the 'net
4. logitech webcam on bottom of glider facing downwards and forwards

The plane was set up to take off when the microswitch was closed by one of the ninja pan/tilts, this switched the motor on. When it reached 300ft or so the other pan/tilt adjusted the elevator so it flew level. From time to time it moved left or right (rudder via pan/tilt) to follow the coastline.

The pilot was in Perth logged onto a wireless network with his laptop. Every 2-3 seconds he looked at a jpeg on a website (which the webcam had taken) and the mini uploaded to. That was compared to google earth so he knew where the plane was and made small adjustments from time to time, controlling the pan/tilts over the internet. About halfway thro the flight, the plane turned in two circles to demo the level of control.

Landing was done by cutting off the motor over the sea and gliding into the carpark. Spinner was knocked off when the plane hit a kerb. otherwise it was fine to fly again.

That's control from 3,300kms away . Total cost was $1,200 and build time from the idea to finished plane and testing just three weeks. Remember we aussies did it first and with off the shelf parts, common sense and no over-engineering.

toxicmouse
May 28, 2007, 11:24 PM
i am impressed. but wouldn't this be a remotely controlled plane rather than a UAV? still, 3300km is a little more than my RC transmitter will allow.

CenTexFlyer
May 28, 2007, 11:29 PM
Good on ya, M8!

Now if we can just get that refresh rate up on the JPEG pictures! ;) :cool:

Bulma
May 29, 2007, 05:43 AM
i am impressed. but wouldn't this be a remotely controlled plane rather than a UAV?

From wikipedia:
"An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is an aircraft with no onboard pilot. UAVs can be remote controlled or fly autonomously based on pre-programmed flight plans or more complex dynamic automation systems. "

CenTexFlyer
May 29, 2007, 08:18 AM
Or the "new" acronym embraced by the FAA..... UAS..... Unmanned Aerial System. To include the aircraft, ground station, and software. Autonomous or remotely controlled out of line of sight.

workshop
May 29, 2007, 12:48 PM
CenTexFlyer wrote: "Now if we can just get that refresh rate up on the JPEG pictures!"

Yeah, we haven't seen one yet. :D Just a third party account (aka hearsay). To wit: (Passing this on from an acquaintance)... from a first poster no less... :rolleyes:

Nothing personal or hostile aussieuav, it is just that we are accustomed to a greater level of report validity. What was allegedly done was, indeed, clever.

Jeff (with skeptic goggles on) :)

kd7ost
May 29, 2007, 02:01 PM
Or the "new" acronym embraced by the FAA..... UAS..... Unmanned Aerial System. To include the aircraft, ground station, and software. Autonomous or remotely controlled out of line of sight.

Or within Line of Site.

Dan

m1tch37
May 30, 2007, 03:08 AM
What glider was able to hold all of that?

Nice work btw!

toxicmouse
May 30, 2007, 11:57 AM
i don't mean to hijack this thread, but surely an UNMANNED Air Vehicle/System does not have a man in the loop? there certainly needs to be human intervention at some level, be it giving waypoints or programming the controller, but a person directly controlling the attitude does not make for an unmanned system?

again, i think that it is an impressive feat- it just lacks the unmanned part.

why_fly_high
May 30, 2007, 12:12 PM
i don't mean to hijack this thread, but surely an UNMANNED Air Vehicle/System does not have a man in the loop? there certainly needs to be human intervention at some level, be it giving waypoints or programming the controller, but a person directly controlling the attitude does not make for an unmanned system?

again, i think that it is an impressive feat- it just lacks the unmanned part.

According to your definition the Predator is not unmanned. There are a number of systems that are use even external pilots for take-off and landing. They are unmanned.

Dan

Mark Harris
May 30, 2007, 01:32 PM
Unmanned simply means there is nobody in it.

CenTexFlyer
May 30, 2007, 07:08 PM
Or within Line of Site.

Ooops! You're right! What was I thinking......

clolson
May 31, 2007, 12:00 AM
Unmanned simply means there is nobody in it.

Technically, if the aircraft was flown by a woman it would also qualify. People go in circles with acronyms ... especially in the uav world, but I think the politically correct interpretation would be something like "Unoccupied Aerial Vehicle."

:-)

Mark Harris
May 31, 2007, 12:16 AM
ROFL!!! I think it more refers to "mankind" lol.. i like your politically correct version though haha.

clolson
May 31, 2007, 02:07 PM
ROFL!!! I think it more refers to "mankind" lol.. i like your politically correct version though haha.

Since we are striving to be politically correct here, it would be in very bad taste for me to post a link like this ...

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=50157.html

But to introduce some balance, I should point out that my youngest daughter is named "Amelia".

Curt.

toxicmouse
Jun 01, 2007, 01:26 PM
i once had a paper plane with a stick-man in it, does that qualify as a UAV... wait, no, maybe it was a stick-woman! it's always so difficult to tell with stick-persons.

macboffin
Jun 04, 2007, 04:55 PM
Technically, if the aircraft was flown by a woman it would also qualify. People go in circles with acronyms ... especially in the uav world, but I think the politically correct interpretation would be something like "Unoccupied Aerial Vehicle."

:-) If they havn't got an occupation, that makes them aerial loiterers, right?