EVO program for Graphite Dbox?

[bobthenuke]

I've had an EVO 12 for the past couple years and never had any glider that required any detailed program - I'd just use the tried and true FWITIW method. Now that I'm getting into a higher grade of glider I've discovered the following - the excellent tutorial is good for people with some aptitude for programming, but the examples seem to fit gliders that I don't own. (There's a good reason I went into hardware instead of software!)

I've compared my mixers with what the tutorial says should be there, but even after resetting the Tx to factory (v. 1.4) settings, things don't seem to be right. I've asked about this on the monster EVO thread, but received no reply.

Using the template that should do the trick, nothing seems to work correctly, and I'm back to the FWITIW world, which doesn't really make it.

So, would anyone have the programming to share that they use on their Graphite or similar glider? I'm getting to the point that although I believe the EVO to be superior in many ways to the Asian radios, I'm about to go back to one because there's so much more information out there as far as programs and programming methods go. Yes, the EVO may be more flexible, but it doesn't matter if the information regarding it appears to be different in every publication that deals with it.

Thank in advance,

bob

[Wing-span]

The fitout of the Graphite should be standard right? 6 servo model?
If so the sailplane programming templates should fit perfectly.

Graphite settings for MH32 wing section:
Thermal: Droop trailing edge 1/8" (including ailerons)
Speed: Reflex trailing edge 1/16" (including ailerons)
Launch: Droop flaps 1/4", ailerons 3/16", with 100% differential on ailerons and 100% rudder coupling.
Cruise: Just the natural section.

Don't be scared of the radio, take some time to try to programme the model. When you have done it once you will find it alot easier and you will remove alot of the percieved mistery.

[kasra]

If you PM me your email address, I can send you the ROY file from my EVO that contains programming for a Graphite electric, Icon and Pike Superior among others.

[m_acree]

I have been an EVO owner for about 2 weeks now and will never own anything else. Spend some time going through the "Drulia Tutorial" and get familiar with the programming methodology. There is a steep learning curve but it goes quickly. Once you learn a setup for one type of plane you just copy it and adjust the throws for others.

Something else to look forward to is the soon to be released 2.4 module by http://www.xtremepowersystems.net

They already released for JR & Futaba and are promising others soon. Their system is supposed to have a range of 5 miles! I'll be one of the first in line when available.

[bobthenuke]

Wing-span - yes, my Graphite is the standard 6 servo setup (X-tail). Thanks for those settings...they seem to be quite a bit different than those Vladimir posted at some time, but at this point in time I'll take any information I can get. I'm not afraid of the radio, so to speak, but just confused by the differences between what the Transmitter shows me, Joedie's tutorial, and the manual. It seems that everytime I really dig into it, I just get more confused by the differences.

Kasta - thank you for the kind offer. I've already sent you my email address. I assume that the files can be loaded directly into my Tx using the data manager, is this correct?

m_acree - I've owned this for close to two years now and felt early on as you do now. My problem is that I'm more of a visually-oriented person and once I get something right and can see it I'm fine, but with contrasting information to perform a relatively simple task (as in this case setting up a 6 servo glider) I have as much or more problem than many people. I guess I'm just whining, but that's where I'm at. As far as Xtreme power systems, I've heard about the module for Multiplex for quite awhile now and have yet to see it. I'll believe it when it really happens.

Thanks to all,

bob

[becsta]

Bob,

Joedy modifies some of the inbuilt default mixers in the early part of his tutorial, which then get used for the 6-servo setups. Maybe you haven't completely followed from the front of the tutorial (I often skipped to the bits I needed to do, too, without reading through the whole tutorial).

You could also create new mixers to match what Joedy's mixers are in the tutorial. Once you set up a mixer, it's available for the other planes too.

- bec

[Wing-span]

Sounds like you need a friend to physically show you what to do with the radio. After that I'm sure you will pick it up real quick.

[bobthenuke]

Sounds like you need a friend to physically show you what to do with the radio. After that I'm sure you will pick it up real quick.

That's pretty much how it works with me. One thing I did tonight, though...I pulled up the Data Manager and found through trial and error the correct way to reset the Tx to factory level...the instructions are incorrect.

Looking at the settings and monitoring the servo movements in the servo section for a new model set up for "4 Flaps" things look quite a bit different. Prior to this reset it was a hodgepodge and made no sense at all. I'll have to mess with it later on but I think that the transmitter basic programs being messed up is most of my problem.

...bob

[Wiker]

In the Tutorial most of the mixers used in programming examples are custom mixers. When you say you have compared your mixers with the tutorial, I suppose you mean the five original mixers listed at the end of the Tutorial (the mixers Elevator+, V-Tail+, Delta+ Aileron+, and Flap+).

To "reset" the Evo to factory state mixers, assignments etc., using the Data Manager, you need to load the included (with the Data Manager) file “Leer_evo9-evo12.roy” (Leer is German for Empty) in to the transmitter. This will clear out all programming - all model memories, custom mixers, and custom assignments are cleared, and original mixers and assignments are loaded.

Be aware that this will erase any models you may have on the EVO.

[bobthenuke]

In the Tutorial most of the mixers used in programming examples are custom mixers. When you say you have compared your mixers with the tutorial, I suppose you mean the five original mixers listed at the end of the Tutorial (the mixers Elevator+, V-Tail+, Delta+ Aileron+, and Flap+).

To "reset" the Evo to factory state mixers, assignments etc., using the Data Manager, you need to load the included (with the Data Manager) file “Leer_evo9-evo12.roy” (Leer is German for Empty) in to the transmitter. This will clear out all programming - all model memories, custom mixers, and custom assignments are cleared, and original mixers and assignments are loaded.

Be aware that this will erase any models you may have on the EVO.

Thanks. Yes, the mixers I was mentioning were the ones listed at the end. I ended up loading the file you mention, but the instructions are not clear at all which should come as no surprise as there's so little software available for any application that ever "agrees" with the included load instructions. In any case, I think I have it licked now. Looking at the servo monitor after creating a couple of basic models using the templates I now wonder if the original state of the tx was correct - I was never able to get anything to work correctly from this point before.

...bob

[cynjon]

Sounds like you need a friend to physically show you what to do with the radio. After that I'm sure you will pick it up real quick.

That's what would really help me...I haven't had a chance to do much with mine but I'm having trouble making the transition from the "Asian radio" system to the Evo. I'm sure if I had someone walk me through the first setup it would be a lot easier. I'll figure it out, though. (EVO 9 Synth w/scanner)

[xfly-er]

I have programmed several 6 channel sailplanes into my Evo 9. I am willing to give any help that I can to those in need. PM me if desired.

[Guz]

Question:

Is there a nice repository where people can share their mixes for planes?

[kasra]

Here is the Roy file I sent to Bob. I have not modified any of the existing mixers.

Kasra

[bobthenuke]

Kasra,

Thanks again for the file. I'm looking forward to this weekend when I can load it and get my glider set up.

I think that Guz's suggestion of a file compilation is a good one. The problem with the EVO, at least in the United States, is that there are far fewer of these than are found in Europe so help in programming (for stumps like myself) is sometimes difficult to obtain. At least with some fully working and tested programs one can then get a feeling of who-does-what-to-who when changes are made which will add greatly in getting a grasp on the programming methods.

...bob

[Guz]

Thanks Bobthenuke.

The only bad part is that MPX Datamanager doesn't allow "parsing out" settings. You have to transfer the entire ROY file.

I was thinking along the lines of coping out mixes, settings say to a text file (or web database) where it's somewhat easy to follow to input to the EVO.

Example:

Plane Author Settings
EasyGlider Electric John Doe <mix settings>
EasyGlider Electric Jane Doe <mix settings>
GWS F-4U Corsair Fred <mix settings>
Eflite Blade CP Pro Shara <mix settings>
Eflite Blade CP Pro John Doe <mix settings>

etc.

[bobthenuke]

Guz,

That's a good idea and a long time coming. Mark Drela has two of his setups posted that include everything involved in the programming, assignments, etc. It takes a bit of work but once a "template" is generated, it's just a matter of changing the text to suit what's in the tranmitter for that plane. Once I get mine going again (I'm starting with a clean slate in my Tx) I'll be glad to start with my planes. Perhaps this can end up being a "sticky", probably in the radio forum.

...bob

[kasra]

Has anybody besides Bob tried to download the file I posted to their EVO with success? I appreciate any input.

Thanks,

Kasra

[nxtdoor]

Kasra, I did load your roy into my transmitter and played around with it on a 6 servo Duck. I had to do some figurin out to adjust the different mixers to get my throws where I needed them, but it worked fine otherwise.

Your switch layout is just as I would have it for the flight phases and the using the E slider for camber. My only problem is I am trying to reduce the rate of throw on the E slider in the mixer to get less throw in the normal phase so when I pull the E slider I only get about 1/8" of camber without affecting the throw in crow and can't figure out how to do that. Maybe there is another way to accomplish this, but I can't figure it out.

I was also disappointed that for elevator compensation with the crow braking there is only a 2 point curve. I was hoping there was a way to get a 5 point curve in there. Apparently thats the only curve offered for elevator compensation unless someone can tell us otherwise.

Thanks for the roy by the way!

Jeff

[bobthenuke]

Jeff, Kasra, et al

I'm still not getting it. I've copied the Kasra file into my data manager file "Auto Backup" with the other configurations of mine I've saved. I changed it to .roy, left the original name, changed the name (all with the .roy extension) and no matter what I do I get a failure message in German when I try to open it up (file memory window). This is all on my computer...I haven't even had a chance to download it to my Tx yet. Any thoughts? It must be something I'm not doing correctly, but I can't figure it out. This is a fresh download of the Data Manager, as well as trying more than one download of the file Kasra has published.

Bob

[John Cole]

Bob, this is your boss. Get back to work, you don't have time for this...

[nxtdoor]

bob, go to this thread "Something better than Evo Datamanager" in the radio forum and find where to download the current version .98. The link to the file location is in the first few posts. You need to have java installed on your system. I used this alternative to datamanager. Seems to work pretty good. It also allows copying single models into the Evo.

Jeff

[kasra]

Jeff, Thanks for that link. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436227

I was able to load Bob's .roy file and see his settings on my EVO and if he is also able to generate and load his own .roy files but not mine, I am puzzled as to where the disconnect is. Can my data manager and his be different revs and so there is an upward/downward compatibility issue. i.e. My data manager is newer than his so I can load his .roy files but he can't load mine?

Thanks,

Kasra

[bobthenuke]

Bob, this is your boss. Get back to work, you don't have time for this...


Yaaahhhhh - you know what you can do with your job! ;)

...bob

[bobthenuke]

Jeff,

I'll give this a try. The version of the Data Manager I have is what's now available on the Multiplex site, so I have to assume it's the latest and greatest. The one you mention sounds to be a lot more flexible.

bob

After reading through the thread about the "aftermarket" data manager, I decided to pass on it until I can solve my problems with the Multiplex program. The non-MPX program seems to be quite nice, but not being a software engineer I'm shy about jumping on that bandwagon.