Voting is open for New Forum on history, science and discovery.

[kd7ost]

I messed up and worded the first post on this as a thread instead of changing to a new forum. If there is interest in this please go here and add your name to the list. We have high interest but seem to lack the body count.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674407

Here is how the thread is being requested to RCGroups.

Forum Name: Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery

Category: Exotic and Special Interest

Description: This would be a forum dedicated to both pictures and written information of a Scientific or Historical interest. Topics are to include Earth Sciences such as Geology, Natural disasters, etc. Native American early culture. Desert life such as Ghost towns, Early settlers etc. Castles and Forts etc. These are just a few examples. Emphasis on these posts will include adding descriptions, historical documents when applicable, as well as explanations of how, who, when, where or why these places or situations came to be.

Justification: There is a growing core of RCAP photographers with a high interest in this type of forum. Many of these topics have appeared in the AP forum but they get lost in the high volume of general information threads. A specific forum dedicated to these topics would provide a location for this information to collect in a library type of setting. Here they can be located, shared and researched in a more concise manner.

Moderator(s): Tom Harper, Kevin Hanes, Gray

This is the list of names so far. We need at least 50 to sign up in order for the moderators to vote on it and set it up on a trial basis.

1. Ginger Adam
2. Bill Harris
3. Tom Harper
4. Gray
5. Troynh
6. Clspark
7. Pounder73
8. DWA
9. California Condor
10. Real Ira
11. Borneo Bear
12. Kd7ost
13. Orraman
14. Swanlander
15. John O’Sullivan
16. DiveBombDave
17. Catseyes
18. Centexflyer
19. Ivspark
20. Wattnoise
21. Roger Wilkes
22. Quailbird
23. E.N.
24. Worzul
25. Indtech
26. BeFlyin
27. AviatorDave
28. Skymind
29. Cars4fun2001
30. Gary Mortimer
31. Tatty
32. Hogster
33. GiderGuideMan
34. kd7inn
35. DiamondMox
36. macboffin
37. ap4me
38. Brio3
39. ebayrcer
40. Tonystott
41. icebear
42. MisterNiceGuy
43. nz-maori
44. CactusJackSlade
45. Luap
46. Qrome
47. Electraflyit
48. rud-elev
49. Qualcity
50. Griffo
51. vidmaker
52. 41south
53. Nakelp86
54. Gwelen
55. Alex Slowfly
56. Flipper_118

This could be considered a double post but I wanted to reword my “thread” / “forum” title to make sure I got the right attention from readers. I cannot edit the original post so please forgive me. I know some people skipped the first one and might look at it with the new and correct wording.

Thanks all

Dan

[kd7ost]

Maybe we should do a phase two in order to get the name count up.

Most people that have an interest in this know others that would also have an interest. They might have missed the thread or haven't signed on and caught up. I just emailed a couple of buddies of mine to direct them to the thread. We still need 0 more names.

Dan

[cars4fun2001]

Dan I stayed out of the main discussion when you guys started working this out just waiting to get to put my name on the list. I hope this take off as I feel there is a lot to be explored in this area of ap work and with this area of ap work around the area I live. dang did that make since? anyways, has anything about this been posted over in the uav forum. if not might be a good idea.

Mike

[kd7ost]

No problems. It's grown awful quiet. I'm resolving myself to a couple of things and am not holding out hope for a specific forum as requested at this point.

There are a handful of people that have a very high interest. Per capita the largest interest comes from the UK. But there doesn't seem to be many AP people over all interested in seeing it even get started. I'm sure there are more out there but it will have to hang out for a while.

I'm going to sit back and try to be more patient. We can keep posting those types of threads here after all.

Dan

[macboffin]

Add my name to the list, sounds very interesting to me. Interesting that you got a bunch from the UK.Well, here's another!
Mac

[kd7ost]

Oop's double post.

[kd7ost]

Got ya down Mac,

Thanks ;)

Dan

[quailbird]

Wait awhile, give it a few more days! I think it will go! I see a lot of names that are not there but might be.

[nz-maori]

Count me in Dan!

nz-maori

[kd7ost]

We've collected the 50 names needed for step 2.

2. Once your thread has generated 50 replies from other users who agree that the proposal is a good one, compile the list of names and inform an admin or moderator. The site management will review the list and most likely call for a vote.

3. The administrator will create a thread with a yes/no poll attached to it, and will announce this thread in the appropriate area. The poll will be held for at least 10 days, and it must gather at least 75% "yes" votes.

4. If the vote passes, the new forum will be created but put on a probation period for at least 30 days. During this probation period the forum will be monitored to see if it is being used. If the forum proves to be unsuccessful, it will be removed.

5. If the vote or the probation fails, the process will have to be started over, but no sooner than 60 days, please.


I PM'd RMihara as well as jbourke and posted the link to the list of names and the request. We might have to sit on it a little bit now. I haven't heard from Roger in the last few days.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674407

Thanks to you guys that jumped on my PM's.

Dan

[kd7ost]

We may have to specify one main person to list as the moderator on the front page. It looks like that’s what RCGroups do. The other names can still be moderators as far as I know. Think about who you want. It should be someone active in these types of threads and is routinely available.

Dan

[Rogerdoger]

Dan,

I love to read these kinds of threads. I'm In.

Roger

[N8fromVA]

I'm interested. If it helps the cause, add my name, please.

[skymind]

We may have to specify one main person to list as the moderator on the front page. It looks like that’s what RCGroups do. The other names can still be moderators as far as I know. Think about who you want. It should be someone active in these types of threads and is routinely available.

DanDan unless you have a problem with it I think you're the right guy for the moderator job. I'm pretty sure nobody else would have a problem with it.

[kd7ost]

I appreciate that. The only problem is that come summer time, especially when the fire season hits I'm gone an awful lot. I think it would be better to have someone that will be available through the summer more than I would. I might get to things too slowly.

Dan

[kd7ost]

Dan unless you have a problem with it I think you're the right guy for the moderator job. I'm pretty sure nobody else would have a problem with it.

I think we should name Tom Harper as the main moderator.

Dan

[skymind]

I think we should name Tom Harper as the main moderator.

DanYes, good thinking. Then he would be obligated to post more pics of Arizona with his creative platforms. And the moderating job can't be that much trouble.

[kd7ost]

And the moderating job can't be that much trouble.

That depends on how bad we get. :D :D :D

Dan

[skymind]

That depends on how bad we get. :D :D :D

DanOh yeah, I get you. We don't want the moderator to feel underutilized ;) I was just thinking, who not have a co-moderating member from outside our borders who talks funny.

[kd7ost]

Oh yeah, I get you. We don't want the moderator to feel underutilized ;) I was just thinking, who not have a co-moderating member from outside our borders who talks funny.


:D :D :D

I think most of those that talk funny are inside our borders.

We do have a volunteer from Europe and one from Canada. I think that should do us well. You know if I don't like something I'll make a stink anyway. But I think these topics will have a way to weed the fluff out. This group tends to think more alike so we'll appreciate the work done by others to get information posted. We're taking the AP realm to another level. Or at least moving it in another direction.

Dan

[Tom Harper]

Dan,

Thanks for the vote. I am willing if there are no objections.

I had hoped you would be the lead guy, but the you have a point on the fire season issue.

I'll send you a PM on where we go from here. Want to make sure we are not duplicating efforts.

[Real Ira]

" You know if I don't like something I'll make a stink anyway".

Dan[/QUOTE]

I think we have come to expect nothing less. :D :p

Ira

[Tom Harper]

Exchanged a couple of emails with Dan. Think we need some input from the team at large as to how this site will look.

Some thoughts:

The goal is not to duplicate other groups. UAV development still belongs with the UAV group. How to get the best camera angle belongs on Aerial Photography. There will be overlap like using GPS for surveying or best sun angle for revealing track ways.

Should we have posting rules to keep things orderly? Posts fall into three categories: Projects (Ruins of Fort Funston), How To (Working with the BLM) and General Banter (we were flying in a sand storm today). Banter is important but it pushes the projects off the board. And, I think projects are going to be the heart of this effort.

What if we require project titles to be descriptive and set in identifiers like:

{Zulu Fort Project}

This states that the thread is an ongoing project that will be developed over time. The curly brackets and the word Project make it unique for using the search utility. I will post a sticky that lists all of the project titles so we can see what projects are on the board, no matter how far they have been pushed down.

Boer Trenches south of Mafeking

Might be the result of today's trip but is not organized as a project.

When originating a thread the poster can state whether or not he wants comments in the thread or in a like titled one. This is often done in construction threads where the author wants to control continuity.

Projectss that attain five star ratings might become stickys.

Perhaps all projects should be stickys so that upon entering the group you are presented with a page or more of ongoing projects.

I think we should be broad in our acceptance of subjects as long as they address history. ie I would like to see a project on the Lindberg's photography of the American Southwest. Or, who took the 1936 aerial photographs for the BLM? Not RC but still history and those photos are important for our research. Also much of what is posted will not be AP. The bulk of the research is in the storyand the details.

So, I will get to work on posting the poll - I need your responses on how the group will look - rules, topics, projects - what say you.

[skymind]

Alot of good thoughts there Tom. I too sometimes wish we could separate submittals from chatter. The chatter is good and important for a community but the way these forums are laid out they get mingled with sumittals and tend to dilute it. I don't mind reading the chatter but I tend to try to not add to it. (believe it or not) Just thinking outloud, totally blue sky mode, if we had a single chatter thread for the compliments, questions, observations etc, relating to any & all of topic/project threads. All other threads are for submittals relating to a topic or project. What these forum's really need is a pairing mechanism where you have a published topic and then an attached thread for discussion.

Another thought, I might like to see a thread titled something like "Project Wish List or Requests" where we could request or recommend that somebody or sombodys do a project on something, such as the Indian mounds of the Midwest US or Roman ruins somewhere in particular, or...

I'll be looking forward to publishing.

[kd7ost]

The goal is not to duplicate other groups. UAV development still belongs with the UAV group. How to get the best camera angle belongs on Aerial Photography. There will be overlap like using GPS for surveying or best sun angle for revealing track ways.

Agreed here.

Should we have posting rules to keep things orderly? Posts fall into three categories: Projects (Ruins of Fort Funston), How To (Working with the BLM) and General Banter (we were flying in a sand storm today). Banter is important but it pushes the projects off the board. And, I think projects are going to be the heart of this effort.

I don't know how to keep the topics separated. Maybe we can do that later depending on volume. Banter is something I would rather see in the individual thread. But only after the thread has been completed by the author.

Of course there might be variations that should be allowed. Like if someone posts a picture they took over an area and a shape or something in there puzzles them. They should be allowed to post the picture and get a dialog going about what it might be. Not really a "Pictures that make you go Huh" thread though. That's a fun thread but I'm talking more about lines or shapes that occur in an area and maybe someone else has seen them. Or will in the future.

I think if I have threads that require several or many posts, I might just lock them between my posts until I get the whole story out. Or at least what I have. Once done, then I would unlock it for commentary. That would keep the target information in the front. I've posted before on threads like that to please not post until I'm done and sometimes people miss that. Then you can't get that post out of the middle of your story. It's like an interruption. I would probably still just lock them after each post till I get done.

What if we require project titles to be descriptive and set in identifiers like:

{Zulu Fort Project}

This states that the thread is an ongoing project that will be developed over time. The curly brackets and the word Project make it unique for using the search utility. I will post a sticky that lists all of the project titles so we can see what projects are on the board, no matter how far they have been pushed down.

Boer Trenches south of Mafeking

Might be the result of today's trip but is not organized as a project.

When originating a thread the poster can state whether or not he wants comments in the thread or in a like titled one. This is often done in construction threads where the author wants to control continuity.

I can't tell you how much I agree with this. A perfect example (and I'm not picking on you Ira) is the thread about digging for the baby whales. The thread title was something like "going flying". Ira was even asking me some questions in that thread but not until he PM'd me did I ever go read it. The title steered me away from it. There's just too much stuff for me to read. I tend to read posts when the title gets my attention. (However, if it starts out with "You gotta see this", I skip those too. Sounds like a telemarketer line. I hang up the phone. If Ira's thread was titled, "In search of the buried whales" or something along those lines I would have jumped right on it.

For the shear ease of having someone search later, the topic should be titled in a way that describes what you're doing or what it is about.

[COLOR=Blue]Projectss that attain five star ratings might become stickys.


Perhaps all projects should be stickys so that upon entering the group you are presented with a page or more of ongoing projects.

I don't understand all the sticky processes.

[COLOR=Blue]I think we should be broad in our acceptance of subjects as long as they address history. ie I would like to see a project on the Lindberg's photography of the American Southwest. Or, who took the 1936 aerial photographs for the BLM? Not RC but still history and those photos are important for our research. Also much of what is posted will not be AP. The bulk of the research is in the storyand the details.

So, I will get to work on posting the poll - I need your responses on how the group will look - rules, topics, projects - what say you.

I'm opening up to the idea of having a more open subject matter than I started with. I think we need to make room for other science and discovery interests and that includes Crops too. As long as it isn't, "Hey, here's a potato field I got paid 300.00 for today." It should show and describe problems with the crops or what have you.

Dan

[wattnoise]

Some how-to should be included on the technical end IMO... Mapping software/overlay, IR, B&W, high contrast, oblique vs. vertical are all things that will make everyone's discoveries better and should be discussed... I foresee remote sensing technologies and functions in scientific research being discussed as well... But, the emphasis should be on the "discovery" and not the AP or flying IMO... If it doesn't relate specifically to historical or scientific discovery, it should be moved... None of this what airplane is best, what motor is best, should I put flaps on my SS, etc... Cameras should be allowed to be discussed as it relates to the technical nature of our research, but not which one is "best" or who has the best price, etc... Keeping with the idea of title differentiation perhaps having threads start with "Technical" that are how-to in nature... Example: Technical - High Contrast to Enhance Ground Details...

Just a thought or 2...

Kevin

[Cats Eyes]

I kind of like the idea of two threads per project. One for the actual details of the project (by the author only) and one for open discussion. The author could begin both threads and on the first post of the project thread s/he could put a link saying for discussion click here.

Are there any vBulletin experts here? It would be nice if one could start a thread that could only be updated by the author (for the project thread). That way, the author could go back and update it with new information without intervening discussion interrupting the flow. Is that possible? I guess the author could simply unlock/re-lock for each post, if that's possible. I know you can lock a thread, but I wasn't aware you could unlock it later. Are you sure that can be done?

I was also wondering about those categories that you choose when starting a thread ("Build Log", "Discussion", "Idea", "Question", etc.). Would it be possible to get a custom set of these categories specifically for this forum? That way we could categorize the threads into "project", "discussion", "question", "techincal", etc.

-- the other Kevin

[kd7ost]

I guess the author could simply unlock/re-lock for each post, if that's possible. I know you can lock a thread, but I wasn't aware you could unlock it later. Are you sure that can be done?

Kevin


Yes, I've done it on threads like my recent "History, Guffey Idaho" one".
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667629

Also I made extensive use of it in my Dragonfly build thread when I had mulitiple posts to get all the pictures posted that I wanted in order to maintain flow.

You can just go into forum tools and lock it, or back into forum tools in the same place to unlock it.

Good comments by everyone. I agree and it looks like there's a few ways to do it.

Dan

Dan

[kd7ost]

It's looking like it will come down to a few of us to set the rules. I take it that means it's OK what with the others as to what we're coming up with.

I still haven't heard from any moderator I PM'd. How about you Tom? Any word yet on getting this on the voting block?

Dan

[Tom Harper]

No - I haven't had a response from Mike. The instructions say the administrators have to meet and approve our request before we get a poll.

[bat]

I really agree with the locked project idea. The mini heli forum is a perfect example of abuse. over the past 6 months there have been multiple build threads started in the end they are hundreds of posts long filled with trolling and banter and maybe 25 posts made by the author with useful info on the build. Useless waste of time! Format wise the first post of the locked project page could contain a link to the open forum sister page.

[skymind]

How about some thoughts on good projects?

[Gray]

For me the Mesa Verde Cliff Palace in Colorado comes instantly to mind. There must be so much to photograph in the area. Some smooth talking with the park office may be required though! ;) See: http://www.nps.gov/meve

I like the way this proposed forum is coming together with some extremely well thought out suggestions by everyone. Let’s hope it gets a chance and becomes up and running quite soon.

Cheers for now

Gray

[Tom Harper]

Gray,

Looks like folks are willing to go along with a rigorous format. Hope we can get started soon.

Also the Chaco Canyon area has a high potential. The outliers are unattended and largely unphotograqhed.

http://www.sacredsites.com/americas/united_states/chaco_canyon.html

[quailbird]

In our area there is very little to get photos of on the historical shoot, but this whole region was built on coal. Coal mines and strip pits. I thought of taking some videos and pictures of the strip pits and put them together with some old photos we have going back 60 years. Showing the huge shovels that was used to dig these pits. Each scoop was 4 box car loads. So I have to ask, would this fit the criteria? If not that's OK too. Still it might be interesting!

[kd7ost]

I have a thread nearly ready to post. It will be ready when the forum opens. It's a "how to" though. In this case the "how to" is how I find out about remote hidden sites, research how to find them and the process of using Topozone to figure out where it is and Google Earth to reference it further. It should be pretty informative especially for the folks that live in the high desert region. (About 1/4 or better of the US and in the West) I'm actually setting up a trip that will have to happen later on in the year and I'll do the thread on that trip. This is about the research needed to find it and prepare for it.

Dan

[Tom Harper]

Quailbird,

Sounds great - combines stills, research and AP to tell local history.

[kd7ost]

I agree with Tom. Sounds like a perfect match. I'll be looking forward to it.

I have one that I think is a little shakey. My Pegasus plane will be on the cover of Potato growers magazine this June issue. I was thinking of putting up a thread on that on the new forum but I still need to wrap my head around something that isn't just historical. The article should be pretty infomative and won't represent the kind of work I'm most excited about.

Dan

[Gray]

Gray,

Looks like folks are willing to go along with a rigorous format. Hope we can get started soon.

Also the Chaco Canyon area has a high potential. The outliers are unattended and largely unphotograqhed.

http://www.sacredsites.com/americas/united_states/chaco_canyon.html


Tom, that’s a wonderful looking site, I wish I was out there with you. Very exiting! :cool:

Gray :)

[Gray]

QB, your local history ideas sound fascinating. :)

Dan, The humble potato! Even this has historical connotations! Introduced to England from the Americas by Sir Walter Raleigh to Queen Elizabeth I in the 1500s and the potato famine in Ireland in the 1800s where many Irish Americans originated under extremely harsh conditions.

It is said that, “the Irish never forget their history and the English never learn from it”! :rolleyes:

For my part I would like to explore the history of my region (West Sussex) with evidence of the earliest human existence in the Neolithic period from about 4500BC through the Bronze Age, Iron Age, Roman, Saxon, & Norman occupations. This will all come from within a twenty mile radius of my home!

Gray.

[kd7ost]

QB, your local history ideas sound fascinating. :)

Dan, The humble potato! Even this has historical connotations! Introduced to England from the Americas by Sir Walter Raleigh to Queen Elizabeth I in the 1500s and the potato famine in Ireland in the 1800s where many Irish Americans originated under extremely harsh conditions.

It is said that, “the Irish never forget their history and the English never learn from it”! :rolleyes:

For my part I would like to explore the history of my region (West Sussex) with evidence of the earliest human existence in the Neolithic period from about 4500BC through the Bronze Age, Iron Age, Roman, Saxon, & Norman occupations. This will all come from within a twenty mile radius of my home!

Gray.


Ooooooh,

That sounds worth waiting for. Yet I can't wait.

Dan

[Real Ira]

QB, your local history ideas sound fascinating. :)

Dan, The humble potato! Even this has historical connotations! Introduced to England from the Americas by Sir Walter Raleigh to Queen Elizabeth I in the 1500s and the potato famine in Ireland in the 1800s where many Irish Americans originated under extremely harsh conditions.

It is said that, “the Irish never forget their history and the English never learn from it”! :rolleyes:

For my part I would like to explore the history of my region (West Sussex) with evidence of the earliest human existence in the Neolithic period from about 4500BC through the Bronze Age, Iron Age, Roman, Saxon, & Norman occupations. This will all come from within a twenty mile radius of my home!

Gray.

Gray,
Wanting to see that material will be all over my nerves now. Thanks a lot. :D

At some point there should be a truckload of scientific date resulting from the whale dig thing....if I ever get the thing exumed. :rolleyes:

Ira

[Tom Harper]

I'm thinking of doing one on Human remains. We've found three exposed burials during ground surveys in association with AP. Security is vital. If the word gets out some fruitcake will steal the skeletons.

AP can record the site before (and unfortunately after) any vandalism takes place.

It's worthwhile to know how to recognize human remains and what to do if you find any. Once you are closely surveying an area you are very likely to encounter them.

[skymind]

For me the Mesa Verde Cliff Palace in Colorado comes instantly to mind. There must be so much to photograph in the area. Some smooth talking with the park office may be required though! ;) See: http://www.nps.gov/meve

Cheers for now

GrayYes that's a good one. Just a note on it, Mesa Verde Cliff Palace is presented as being very ancient. But that same time period on the other side of the planet, a people who lived in felt tents were racing across large distances on small horses and without mercy raiding towns and cities of that period, killing all or almost all inhabitants. After one of these raids each of the thousands of 'soldiers' had a quota to kill 200-400 captives. This kind of warfare was more of the norm back then but the person leading all this was more organized and effective. After finishing up and leaving a conquest they would send a team back after a couple days to see who came out of hiding and to kill them. It was Chinngis Khan aka Ghengis Khan. If you think of it, the difference in living standards between the Mesa Verda Cliff people and those elsewhere on the planet weren't so far apart.

[skymind]

In our area there is very little to get photos of on the historical shoot, Indian mounds ?

[Cats Eyes]

It's worthwhile to know how to recognize human remains and what to do if you find any. Once you are closely surveying an area you are very likely to encounter them.
... I can't tell if you're joking or serious :o ...

-- Kevin

[wattnoise]

... I can't tell if you're joking or serious :o ...

-- KevinActually run across them fairly often in the SW when out ghosttowning and around ancient Indian settlements... Have to be very respectful and not disturb anything...

Now I'm the other Kevin... ;)

[kd7ost]

Out here in the West, people died. (Duh, OK give me a second) Harsh conditions on the trail, illness, old age, Indian, (Native American) attacks, fights whatever. If someone came along the trail and found the body, they just buried them right there. No one had the resources to carry them out. Life was harsh and sometimes short. There are unmarked graves in quite a few places.

Remember a post I did in the "Whickhoney Stage Stop" thread? Post #2. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5505247&postcount=2

The people here are buried on the grounds but over time the wooden markers rotted away or were used for firewood by some freezing traveler in later years. The exact locations are lost.

There are plenty of small cemeteries. But more often than not folks away from town were buried on their homestead or right where they died.

The High desert has a slow erosion rate. Down in the desert sands bodies can dry out and become mummified. Things don't change real fast because it's so arid.

Actually I’m sure that same thing happened all over the world. If in a rich historical area like where Tom, Kevin or to some extent I live, I’m sure it’s easy to stumble across old burials.

Dan

[Real Ira]

"Now I'm the other Kevin... ;)[/QUOTE]

That seem to depend on which thread your in. :D

Remains are a serious issue here too.

It is a matter of law that any time remains that may be Native American are unearthed all digging must stop and tribal authorities be contacted.

I would be surprised if this were not the case in Canada also.

One of my neighbors had to deal with this when digging a new drain field. (they found a skull)

The tribal authorities dug up the whole yard looking for artifacts and the neighbors were cool about it.....until the tribe sent them a bill for it!!

Ira

[Tom Harper]

Yes - it's serious and can get complicated. Interesting by product of history.

[Cats Eyes]

Yes - it's serious and can get complicated.
I can imagine! I keep forgetting that things last a lot longer in arid desert conditions. Around here anything over about 30 years old is pretty much obliterated by vegitation and the "churning" effect of frequent freeze/thaw cycles. The only human remians one is likely to find around here would likely be the result of something criminal. :eek:

I will definitely look forward to your article! :cool:

-- Kevin

[kd7ost]

I got an idea.

What if I put up a couple of posts in a couple locations directing the moderators to the thread and list of names. Then one of you guys reports my post as trolling or double posting or whatever they call it. Maybe we can get someone looking at it that way. :rolleyes: We've heard zip back so far. :(

Dan

[Real Ira]

Did you just say ZIP!!

I find that word very offensive and will have to report you....:D


Seriously, I've PM them about getting this going and not heard a peep.

This is kind of odd???

Ira

[kd7ost]

You'd think that folks with proper manners would at least say,

"Got you PM, we'll look it over as soon as we can"

"Hate your idea, go soak your heads",

"Sounds great, we'll put it in place without even a vote",

At least something

Maybe we need to state that it's going to be done via Pattern aircraft and FPV with a sales show room thrown in for good measure. :rolleyes:

I dunno, In fairness maybe they're all busy with something else happening right now. I say we just keep putting together history and science threads but not post them on this forum. If and when the new forum is under evaluation we should have plenty to start with for showing activity and interest. Lots of people won't be able to do these real fast. It will take a little collecting and time.

If that does happen we shouldn't dump them all at once. We can spread them out over the 30 day trial period if we ever get that chance. ;)

Dan

[Real Ira]

There may be some "paperwork" involved and I'm sure these folks are just as busy as the rest of us.
Probably just a matter of time and you'll hear from them.

Ira

[Tom Harper]

Just left this note for Mike.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678845

Tom

[Gray]

Thanks Tom, hope it gets them going.

Gray

[wattnoise]

Once this thing gets going - a "sticky" suggestion would be a world time line index... Having a time frame for projects in different parts of the world would be interesting to keep track of... Such as 1000-1200AD in Europe, North America, South America, Africa(?), Asia(?), etc.... Anybody here from an Asian or African country interested in this?...

Kevin

[dklassen]

If you want it, you'll always have a home at aplanding.com. Creating a new board or category such as "historical and scientific discovery" takes just a few seconds. No polls, votes, board meetings, member drives or begging. That's the nice thing about having a dedicated AP site, we're there to service the AP community and only the AP community.

[kd7ost]

Thanks Darell,

We're thinking that since we haven't heard from anyone yet, that the admins are simply detained and haven't even looked at our request yet. I can't immagine we're being intentionaly ignored.

Dan

[kd7ost]

Just left this note for Mike.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678845

Tom

Any reply yet Tom?

Dan

[dklassen]

Let me know when you're ready. I have plenty of time for you. ;)

[kd7ost]

Let me know when you're ready. I have plenty of time for you. ;)


;) ;)

Thanks again

[Tom Harper]

Nothing yet.

[Cats Eyes]

This is damn peculiar! :mad: I've been "around" for the creation of a number of forums, and I have never seen anything like the level of participation, enthusiasm and commitment that I've seen for this one. I can't understand it, it should be a shoe-in. :confused:

Maybe if we all threatened to leave en masse to APLanding (and take our "considerable buying power" with us), then maybe we'd see some action? :rolleyes:

What irks me is no-one can even take the time to send a one-line email, saying "sorry, swamped with work right now, get back to you..." or something. :confused:

How about a massive e-mail campaign? Maybe if we overload Jim's inbox (or whoever takes care of this stuff)? Dunno, just thinking out loud. There must be something we can do... :(

-- Kevin

[Real Ira]

It is starting to get a bit odd.

Ira

[dklassen]

Don't threaten, just do it.

Yes, APL is relatively new and doesn't have the knowledge base that RCG has but even RGC had to start somewhere and APL is well on it's way.

RCG is obviously a very large forum but AP is just a tiny part of it's overall user base and revenue. I always felt that AP'ers needed a place of their own where our needs could be focused on first, not last.

Although now that you've threatened with APL I'm sure they will respond quickly. That should tell you something right there. I think it took the FPV guys months to get their forum created. I've sent emails to the admins here before and never got one response. You'll never see that on APL.

Come on man, It takes two seconds to create a forum with a push of a button.

Says right on our homepage, "Aerial Photography isn't an after thought for us, it's our only thought." That's the way it should be. AP is more than a doll hobby, it's an industry.

[Tom Harper]

DK,

Check your PMs

Tom

[kd7ost]

I did PM the moderator of the FPV forum and he indicated it took about a month to get some ones attention. He stated he pm'd about once a week and a few other guys even did the email thing. So I guess it’s not personal anyway. ;)

We do have a lot invested here and I'm so busy I have a hard time making it to all the forums that interest me. There are a few things here that keep me particularly interested and there is a considerable reader base. I have lots of friends and acquaintances’ as well as a lot of threads already posted that can make the transfer.

I know there are quite a few interested parties but I'm inclined to dig in and wait it out. It's not just about a place to get these new threads posted although I do see logic in moving to a dedicated AP place.

But, this place is very established and we know it will be here forever too. It's a bit of a big machine I guess but if we can get our place through the wait, the hard part will be over.

That's my .02 anyway. We want full control of content too. It would be a rockier start in a new place with new people. I say we stay the course for a while and see it through.

Dan

[Rogerdoger]

Roger that!

RC

[dklassen]

Just an FYI, the historical and scientific discovery forums are live at aplanding.com

That was easy :rolleyes:

[Real Ira]

Dan,

Good point.
This is the 900lb gorilla of RC.

Maybe you could post links over at APlanding. It is a very nice site and I'm sure a lot of folks over there would be interested.

Ira

[dklassen]

Just a little perspective on forums. Don't think that RCG is necessarily a 900lb gorilla with cubicles full of people tending the business.

My business partner runs several of the largest motorcycle forums out there including Honda Direct Line's on-line store (largest Honda parts supplier on the net) They have tens of thousands of members and multi millions of hits per month in their forums and just as many on the ecommerce site. He does it all by himself and answers all his emails every day.

[Tom Harper]

I have started a site at APLanding. Should be able to put up an example project sometime today.

We'll see how this works.

[Bill Harris]

The official forum-creation poll from RCG is up:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680650

--Bill

[Gray]

Thanks Bill, I've just voted.

Gray

[Rogerdoger]

Voted YES!
Roger

[kd7ost]

Voted yes myself. I find it more than a little strange that someone voted no. Anyhow, if everyone would please go here and vote yes that would be great. I'm going to lock this thread just so that the link will be right here on the last post and folks won't have to search back to find it.

Thanks everyone for the support on this.

Dan

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680650

[kd7ost]

After thinking it over a little more and getting some sound advice from Tom, I'm going to unlock the thread and keep it that way. My idea of keeping the link handy on the last post isn't so sound when the whole thread is off the front page. Oop's I goofed. :o

Everyone should feel free to comment here. That will generate more interest than anything else.

Thanks for everyones patience. :)

Dan

[Real Ira]

Thanks for putting all the effort into this Dan.

This forum should really kick the interesting content up a notch.

I'm still a little perplexed that the moderators haven't just greenlighted this on it's merits.

Ira

[Alex Slowfly]

My yes voting is in -
just back from a one week holiday on Crete.

This looks like it's going to be very interesting and quite professional - thanks for anyone's efforts so far.

Alex.

[kd7ost]

This forum should really kick the interesting content up a notch.
I'm still a little perplexed that the moderators haven't just greenlighted this on it's merits.
Ira

I dunno Ira,

I'm a little surprised at the lack of interest in the RCAP community at large. We really don't have a large following for this. There must be fewer History, Science and Exploring buffs than I had thought. :confused: Per capita the largest interest is still from the UK. I would estimate about 50 percent of the votes come from there. But they have a pretty large "Target Rich" AP environment. I still would have thought more Americans would have a higher interest level. We must be odd balls. :D

Dan

[icebear]

Dan,

I am a little surprised too, but maybe it has to do with that it takes some time for people to see what you are suggesting. I myself was off-line when you came with the idea so I was glad when I found the thread.

After doing AP for a while I think people automatically start to think about ideas and possibilities to find interesting subjects and maybe stories - that's how it was for me. I think there would be a lot of interest if the forum will be created.

Keeping my fingers crossed...

/Bjorn

[kd7ost]

My yes voting is in -
just back from a one week holiday on Crete.

This looks like it's going to be very interesting and quite professional - thanks for anyone's efforts so far.

Alex.

Agreed,

Thank you to everyone that has worked on this and has voted yes. We could still use a lot more. Especially to offset the two no votes that showed up.

I still can't wrap my brain around those votes. Why would someone even vote that we not even have an educational thread such as this here? :confused:

Dan

[kd7ost]

Dan,

I am a little surprised too, but maybe it has to do with that it takes some time for people to see what you are suggesting. I myself was off-line when you came with the idea so I was glad when I found the thread.

After doing AP for a while I think people automatically start to think about ideas and possibilities to find interesting subjects and maybe stories - that's how it was for me. I think there would be a lot of interest if the forum will be created.

Keeping my fingers crossed...

/Bjorn

Thanks for the encouraging words Bjorn. And congratulations once again on your brand new baby. ;)

Dan

[Real Ira]

Agreed,

Thank you to everyone that has worked on this and has voted yes. We could still use a lot more. Especially to offset the two no votes that showed up.

I still can't wrap my brain around those votes. Why would someone even vote that we not even have an educational thread such as this here? :confused:

Dan

That is just plain weird?
Could be someone doesn't like you, but that's pretty childish.

Heck you've really pissed me of a few times and I voted for it. :D :p

Ira

[arrow5]

I voted "yes" (on other thread). I vote yes here, in case.

[kd7ost]

Heck you've really pissed me off a few times and I voted for it. :D :p

Ira

Ditto. :D

At the end of the day we shake hands and put any differences aside though.

I have a few idea's but it's purely speculation and I don't think it will be a trend. This forum isn't mine though so if someone votes against it for personal reasons, they aren't taking others into account. That would be pretty childish.

It might just be malcontents who vote against any new forum though.

Dan

[dklassen]

You will always get a few that vote no. I believe there were some no votes for the FPV forum as well. Frankly I think the whole voting thing is damn silly. I understand they can't create a new forum for everyone but you had more than 50 people on the list that wanted the new board. Just create the darn thing and be done with it. Of course this particular board is very specialized and probably doesn't have the following the others have. There's already a AP, UAV and FPV board but I suspect they will create it just to keep the users from going to APL.

[kd7ost]

I voted "yes" (on other thread). I vote yes here, in case.

Yay arrow5,

It only counts if you go to this link and vote Yes on the poll though. Otherwise the poll numbers won't be counted by the site admin.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680650

Dan

[skymind]

You know, I'm thinking it might be a good idea to expand beyond Science & History to allow for other topics. Some people might be scratching something to think of something that falls into either of these two (where more than one photo can be taken) but they might like to participate with other topics, such as 'Seasons in the _____ Desert' or 'Just Oblique Shadows', 'Weekly shot of my neighbor's field of crops', 'Autogyro's into pararie-dog communities'(hawk-eyes view of an attack)... Some could be owned by a person, some could be community projects.

[Real Ira]

50 say yes!!

Ira

[Tom Harper]

Skymind,

The forum doesn't require Noble Prize material, just an organized, serious study of a topic that is of interest to you.

I see the the defining feature here as the study part. 'Oblique Shadows' would be artistic and is covered by the Aerial Photography forum. But, Oblique Shadows as a way of measuring the height of an inaccessible ruin or sand dune is science.

I have an ongoing project to photograph a ruin on a local mountain peak. If successful the result will not be a lot of pictures. It's a very small mountain top. The ruin is piles of rocks among lots of other rocks so this won't be Chaco Canyon or Mesa Verde. The interest is the story. Why is there a ruin on top of that mountain?

The participants are going to interpret the category and set the standard.

[skymind]

Tom, and another key point worth mentioning (to the moderators), is that you'de like these more serious efforts to not get burried in the noisy environment of the AP forum. A seperate forum is a way to keep this work from getting burried. Tom.

[Tom Harper]

Skymind,

Yes, and I think the veiwer ratings are going to become more important. We'll need to bump the projects to the top and possibly make some 5 star projects into stickys.

Tom

[Rogerdoger]

Good!!! :)

RC

[rloose]

Tom-

Count me in. I am currently doing volunteer air photos of archelogical sites. I have a strong interest in geology and soils as well. This could also be useful for some environmental assessment work.

I tried to click on the "poll" button at the top of the page and could not get it to work.

Rich

[kd7ost]

Hey Rich,

Does this work out better? This is a link directly to the Poll.

Dan

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680650

[Real Ira]

7 opposed?? :confused:

I don't get that?

Ira

[kd7ost]

It is a bit weird. Too bad they didn't let us see who voted in what way. ;)

I would almost think someone is soliciting for No votes. Lessee, who would stand to benifit from that? No one I think! We need to keep people going there and voting Yes. I've been asking other buddies that don't normally come here to go vote for us. That brought in a few more votes but the poll doesn't end till the 17th. Only 10 more "No" votes and we get shut down. We need to campaign to counter that potential. Ask your buddies to vote. Write them PM's.

I'm also surprised by the general lack of support from the AP folks. Geeze, we've all contributed so much here you would think if nothing else they would support the expansion of AP to other realms. Or maybe vote Yes just get rid of us. :D

Dan