Separate thread for Archeology, Antiquity, Geology, Desert life etc

[kd7ost]

I sent a PM to Roger about starting a new and separate thread on AP that just deals with the antiquity issues we’ve been coming up with. Topics will be archeological, historical, interesting geographic features like canyons or what have you. The AP thread has become huge and diverse. It’s open to all the technical questions, new guy flying, new planes, cameras, batteries, etc, etc.

I would like for the guys in Europe shooting pictures of Castles etc, providing history or origin etc, Ira’s dig for the buried whales, Kevin’s Ghost Towns, Tom’s wagon trails and Native Indian and Spanish settlements, my own Early Idaho ghost towns etc. There is a recent thread with information from Australia from Tugboat. This stuff is very cool to some of us. You get the idea. It would be nice to have a source where these threads can be kept easier to access.

If I recall, we need to have at least 25 people sign on or rather agree to it before it would be considered. Then it has to be OK’s by the Moderator of RC Groups.

I’m in. Anyone else interested in such a forum branch?

Dan

[Ginger Adam]

yes

[Bill Harris]

Ah, you mean a new forum on "Technical AP", not just a thread.

Count me as interested.

--Bill

[Tom Harper]

Dan,

I asked Roger about this a couple of weeks ago. I think the time is right. You do it here:

http:// www.rcgroups.com/new-forum-requests-185/

I would like to include wildlife monitoring and agriculture in the topic. Might get a bit long.

[Gray]

Count me in

Gray

[troynh]

Ditto

[clspark]

Geology! Absolutely. Count me in.

Chuck

[POUNDER73]

10-4 sounds good, count me in!

[DWA]

Sure why not…

Dave

[California Condor]

That's a good idea.

[Real Ira]

Fantastic idea!

I'm in.

Ira

[borneobear]

Yes please!!

Adrian

[kd7ost]

Dan,

I asked Roger about this a couple of weeks ago. I think the time is right. You do it here:

http:// www.rcgroups.com/new-forum-requests-185/

I would like to include wildlife monitoring and agriculture in the topic. Might get a bit long.

I think that's a good idea. Earth sciences too. Basically all topics that are educational that deal with the end product of the picture. Not how to get the picture. A science and history wing if you will. ;)

I'm not very interested in showing my Ag shots unless there is evidence of old roads or structures or the like that becomes the real target of interest.

And thanks Bill. Yes a new Forum. I wasn't sure how to phrase it. ;)

Dan

[kd7ost]

Dan,

I asked Roger about this a couple of weeks ago. I think the time is right. You do it here:

http:// www.rcgroups.com/new-forum-requests-185/

I would like to include wildlife monitoring and agriculture in the topic. Might get a bit long.


Hi Tom,

I'll make sure I'm not replicating your efforts. Do you have something like this in the works yet or should I go ahead and work through the process?

Dan

[Real Ira]

I like Tom's idea too.

Kind of a scientific interest AP forum.

That should be very cool.

[Tom Harper]

Dan,

No, I contacted Roger then went into procrastination phase. My plan was to get your opinion - then I saw your post. Very timely.

You lead, I'll follow.

[kd7ost]

OK,

I'll get it under way. In the mean time what if we all went through our "View all threads started by ....." and posted the ones of interest here. Maybe we can get them moved or linked as soon as we get approval and the new thread is set up. This is just to start getting them consolidated.

Here's mine.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=667629
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=496624
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520330

Dan

[orraman]

Yes please

Dave

[Swanlander]

I am very interested, count me in.

Andrew

[kd7ost]

OK,

Here's what we have to do. Please feel free to help out if interested.

First, this is a copy and paste of the process.


New forum requests are common. The following procedure explains how they will be handled from now on.

1. A new forum may be proposed by any user with at least 100 posts. Please give us detailed information so we can understand your request. Use this form to guide you. See an example request here.

2. Once your thread has generated 50 replies from other users who agree that the proposal is a good one, compile the list of names and inform an admin or moderator. The site management will review the list and most likely call for a vote.

3. The administrator will create a thread with a yes/no poll attached to it, and will announce this thread in the appropriate area. The poll will be held for at least 10 days, and it must gather at least 75% "yes" votes.

4. If the vote passes, the new forum will be created but put on a probation period for at least 30 days. During this probation period the forum will be monitored to see if it is being used. If the forum proves to be unsuccessful, it will be removed.

5. If the vote or the probation fails, the process will have to be started over, but no sooner than 60 days, please.

Please note that the site admins may decide to circumvent the above process, if the idea is particularly strong.


I've got #1 covered but we need to work on #2 so if everyone can spread the word I'm confident we can get our count of 50.

I still have to propose it but I'm not going to try to be dictatorial with such good minds around to draw upon.

Can we get some feed back on this part? This short list needs to be completed to submit. I can get pretty verbose so it would be helpful for guys that can cut to the chase while explaining things well help us out.


Forum Name:

Category:

Description:

Justification:

Moderator(s):



Dan

[kd7ost]

OK, How’s this sound?



Forum Name: Archeology and Earth Sciences

Category: Aerial Photography

Description: This is a thread to be dedicated to both pictures and information of Early life, (50 years ago or more) Earth Sciences such as Geology, etc, Native American early culture, Desert life such as Ghost towns etc, Castles and Forts etc. Emphasis on these posts will include the photographer or helper adding descriptions, history, explanations etc of how, who, when, where or why these places came to be.

Justification: There is a core body of RCAP photographers with a high interest in this type of exploring from home. We get to learn about ancient cultures and history of places we may never get to visit. The AP forum is so popular these days that the threads we start on these issues are quickly buried and don't provide ease of access. Since they can serve as historical reference material, we would like to have a separate forum for these activities so researches or just interested readers can find them all in one place.

Moderator(s):

[John O'Sullivan]

Count me in,
As a geologist, I've been around the block, but it is not all pretty pictures.
Geologist - one who travels the world taking pictures of his hammer.
John

[Tom Harper]

Forum Name: Scientific Applications of RC Uav and AP

Category:Exotic and Special Interest

Description:A place to exhibit scientific, industrial and special interest applications of model airplanes. RC, UAV and AP separate or combined. Here you can present your unique problems and solutions for discussion with others. Geology, archeology, architecture, agriculture, history, wildlife, fence line and poacher monitoring - add your application to the list. We want to see the whole application not just a few aerial shots. Special applications of kites and pole cameras are welcome.

Justification: These topics appear in a number of forums. There is a need to bring them together to concentrate the discussion.

Moderator(s): I think we need at least 4 monitors. I will volunteer as one.

[Tom Harper]

Yeah John, we're going to see a lot of pictures of dirt!

Dan - we were typing at the same time. If any of the above makes sense then feel free to use it.

[kd7ost]

It all makes sense. I think if we give it a few more days more folks will have a chance to ring in.

I would volunteer as a moderator too.

Dan

[Tom Harper]

Good plan.

It is worthwhile to have monitors spread around the globe so we cover different time zones. A problem on another boards I manage is folks who are up to no good and post objectionable material. Roger can give us some insight on what to expect.

The response so far is heart warming!

[kd7ost]

Good plan.

It is worthwhile to have monitors spread around the globe so we cover different time zones. A problem on another boards I manage is folks who are up to no good and post objectionable material. Roger can give us some insight on what to expect.

The response so far is heart warming!


Agreed,

I would like to see someone from Europe and Australia as moderators too. The guys in Europe actually have a lot of great material.

Dan

[DiveBombDave]

Here's my post/vote/raised hand.

These threads, this idea for a new forum, they are so much more than the common AP "Here's my blah blah blah" photos. No offense to anyone, those are all I got too. But the whole geology/archeology angle, I have found to be quite interesting. I am always looking for old creekbeds and trails in the contours around the river where I live.

Dave

[Real Ira]

I think this one should sail right on through on rule #5

Ira

[Cats Eyes]

I'm in, 110%

I think most people that get involved in AP have been flying model aircraft for years, then one day it occurs to them, "hey, why not strap a camera on my plane and see what I get." Then go looking for something to photograph.

On the other hand, I was involved in railway history before I knew an aileron from an angle of attack. One day, it occured to me, "hey, why not buy a little plane, strap a camera on it, and see what I can learn that I couldn't learn traipsing through the bush." We may see more and more people getting involved in AP for such reasons, as a research tool to support their other hobbies/interests (or even professions) rather than as a hobby in and of itself. This new forum would reflect this different focus (no pun intended). :)

Basically, I think Dan is on the right track in post #2:
... all topics ... that deal with the end product of the picture. Not how to get the picture.
Also to clarify that we don't mean "pretty pictures," that we mean using AP as a serious research tool. I don't think it is useful to distinguish among the various research departments (archaeology, remote sensing, earth sciences, wildlife monitoring, agriculture etc.), just that it be a tool for research.

My $0.02

Oh, and if you need a moderator (though not sure what that might entail), I'll volunteer.

-- Kevin

P.S. Where's the "other Kevin" (wattnoise)? This sounds right up his alley...

[Real Ira]

What Kevin said!

This kind of thing can have effects that dwarf the activity itself and stimulate economic activity in ways the RC/APer may not have ever dreamed of.

The "other Kevin" (wattnoise) knows about this very well.

Anything to do with history can dovetail into tourism and university research, site preservation ect...

I know first hand how RC/AP can lead to discoveries overlooked by full scale aircraft searches and the potential for a forum like this to lead into great things can not be overstated.

A good example would be the Orca search I am involved in.
About 100 full scale aircraft overfly the site every day at an altitude of about 700ft and never had a clue what was beneath them.

I hope the moderators just give this one the go-ahead.

Ira

[kd7ost]

Hey, if You're in as moderator I can bow out. That will provide broader coverage over a more diverse area.

I'm sure Wattnoise will sign on. He must be busy. I'll drop him an email.

Dan

[CenTexFlyer]

The "earth sciences" is a great approach! There are many facets of "sciences" that our meager little image takers can conribute to. It all depends on the audience and the "eyes" that are viewing the photos.

I concur wholeheartedly and thing this is a step toward expanding the sophistication of our efforts.

Gene

[lvspark]

sounds like fun to me!

[wattnoise]

P.S. Where's the "other Kevin" (wattnoise)? This sounds right up his alley... Here I is... :D Good plan, Dan and all... Scientific end product, research, and investigation - all the best reasons for AP in my book...

Kevin

[Heritic]

I am interested
Roger Wilkes

[quailbird]

I would really like to try this. There is not a lot to photograph around because of the thick under brush, but There is a couple of places that might make a great historical addition to this type of thread.

[E.N.]

Count me in. It will be nice to have a forum where you don't have to dig through the "what camera?" and "SS, Mgpie, or EZ?" threads to see some good pictures. note: not bashing the newbies(hey, I was one) but I too have been looking for some more serious application for RCAP especially after the FAA deal.

For the name of the forum, how about "UAV Meteorological & Geological Monitoring". That way it won't exclude those doing studies without pictures.

Ian:cool:

[California Condor]

Because of the present situation, I believe that we should avoid the use of "UAV".

[kd7ost]

Count me in. It will be nice to have a forum where you don't have to dig through the "what camera?" and "SS, Mgpie, or EZ?" threads to see some good pictures. note: not bashing the newbies(hey, I was one) but I too have been looking for some more serious application for RCAP especially after the FAA deal.

For the name of the forum, how about "UAV Meteorological & Geological Monitoring". That way it won't exclude those doing studies without pictures.

Ian:cool:

I agree with CC,

Also the drive for this is pretty expansive using RC aerial photography.
I don't think metorology should be excluded but only listing that with geology excludes the biggest and most active thread topics we listed above. Those of history and it's ramains before it's gone for all time.

The plane might be called a UAV in technical loosely tied jargon and I'm not apposed to using whtever air vehicle works for your application. But I don't think there should be any specified platform. Thats not the drive of the thread. It should be about a location, situation, feature, atmospheric calamity, tragedy, whatever, and what caused it to be there.

I'm not suggesting your idea should be left out. But putting the term UAV in there will steer away the guys we need and attract the ones we don't need.

By the same token, calling it "History and Geology" (for example) will attract the people that will contribute in a positive manner.

Dan

[California Condor]

Might try to get the enviorment (maybe not) and agriculture in there somewhere.

[Bill Harris]

Yes, given the current regulatory climate we need to maintain a low profile. UAV is out.

--Bill

[wattnoise]

Perhaps a generalization that encompasses all - something like "Aerial Photography for Scientific Investigation (or, discovery) and Historical Research"... Kevin

Or, "Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery"...

[Gray]

Perhaps a generalization that encompasses all - something like "Aerial Photography for Scientific Investigation (or, discovery) and Historical Research"... Kevin

Or, "Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery"...

Kevin, that sounds clear and concise.

Gary.

[kd7ost]

Gray,

What's the chance we put you down as one of the moderators? You're as involved with these types of threads as anyone.

Dan

[Tom Harper]

I agree.

"Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery"...

The science and history terms are inclusive. UAV, RC etc are just the means to our end.

Kevin et al -

How about you folks give us some write ups like Dan and I did in #s 21 and 23. Seems like the discussion is narrowing the topic rather than spreading it. That's a good sign.

[Gray]

Gray,

What's the chance we put you down as one of the moderators? You're as involved with these types of threads as anyone.

Dan


OK Dan, I’ll go with that. Please put me down for moderator.

Gray.

[worzul]

:D Brilliant idea, I love Archeology, Antiquity, Geology etc etc, :) and i love it when there is a good story with some history behind the photo.

I hope this comes off, i will be very keen to keep an eye on it.

Hope all go's well. :D

[Cats Eyes]

"Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery"...
Works for me. :cool:

Hey, we're closing in on 50 posts. I think it's about time to take this to the next stage. :)

-- Kevin

[California Condor]

"Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery"...

I like that one.

[E.N.]

I see your point, I was just trying to come up with a short, concise and broad topic name. I think Kevin's got it right.

Ian:cool:

[kd7ost]

OK Dan, I’ll go with that. Please put me down for moderator.

Gray.

Thats great Gray,

Your intelligent, cool headed and have great topics as well as great pictures. You will fit the task well and we all thank you.

Dan

[kd7ost]

I'm out of town till the weekend and can't get too much done here. It is coming along realy nicely. I think we have a very popular and interesting AP thread under way. I'm very excited about this one.

Dan

[indtech]

I'm gearing up to take crop pics.
So count one more interested.

[kd7ost]

Back home. :)

So how does this capture what I see shaping up? It should be close to submitting. The one thing I don't know is if the moderators full or real name has to be included.

Thanks for all the input and help everyone. It's great to see the excitement in this.

Dan


Forum Name: Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery

Category: Exotic and Special Interest

Description: This would be a thread dedicated to both pictures and written information of a Scientific or Historical interest. Topics are to include Earth Sciences such as Geology, Natural disasters, etc. Native American early culture. Desert life such as Ghost towns, Early settlers etc. Castles and Forts etc. These are just a few examples. Emphasis on these posts will include adding descriptions, historical documents when applicable, as well as explanations of how, who, when, where or why these places or situations came to be.

Justification: There is a growing core of RCAP photographers with a high interest in this type of forum. Many of these topics have appeared in the AP forum but they get lost in the high volume of general information threads. A specific forum dedicated to these topics would provide a location for this information to collect in a library type of setting. Here they can be located, shared and researched in a more concise manner.

Moderator(s): Tom Harper, Cats Eyes, Gray, (I think we need the real names of the moderators)

[kd7ost]

Tom,

I’m not too keen on the idea of putting Agriculture threads in the forum if they’re only as Ag shots. I do a lot of Ag work as you well know and its just money work. What would be the difference for example of someone wanting to post pictures of real estate properties or golf course pictures? (Provided we’ll be able to take commercial pictures in the future) The instances that might apply are when an Ag shot shows something in the crop that might indicate an old structure or road through soil compaction or what have you. I would be happy to keep all the Ag threads, and provide any assistance I can to people with the Ag interests in the current AP forum. I wouldn’t want the new forum to become a “How to” necessarily for doing AP work. Does that make sense?

Dan

[California Condor]

"Does that make sense?"
Yes it does.

[BeFlyin]

I love having a hobby with a purpose. I'd be sure to be a supporter.

Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery - Does this name limit us to science and history?

[kd7ost]

I love having a hobby with a purpose. I'd be sure to be a supporter.

Aerial Photography for Scientific and Historical Discovery - Does this name limit us to science and history?

Probably not. It depends on what you have in mind. I don't think among ourselves we have fully defined the allowed topics. The title seems pretty inclusive to our goals though. It might have to be a little vague. We don't want to have any how to's, what camera's to buy, what plane should I use, here's my neighborhood, build threads, etc. Personally I don't envision any thread being posted that doesn't provide explanation and at least a little research.

Dan

[California Condor]

It should include all discovery, not just historical.

[kd7ost]

I submitted the request to get things moving. I'll repost the process here.


New forum requests are common. The following procedure explains how they will be handled from now on.

1. A new forum may be proposed by any user with at least 100 posts. Please give us detailed information so we can understand your request. Use this form to guide you. See an example request here.

2. Once your thread has generated 50 replies from other users who agree that the proposal is a good one, compile the list of names and inform an admin or moderator. The site management will review the list and most likely call for a vote.

3. The administrator will create a thread with a yes/no poll attached to it, and will announce this thread in the appropriate area. The poll will be held for at least 10 days, and it must gather at least 75% "yes" votes.

4. If the vote passes, the new forum will be created but put on a probation period for at least 30 days. During this probation period the forum will be monitored to see if it is being used. If the forum proves to be unsuccessful, it will be removed.

5. If the vote or the probation fails, the process will have to be started over, but no sooner than 60 days, please.

Please note that the site admins may decide to circumvent the above process, if the idea is particularly strong.


I don't know that 50 replies that agree (from 50 different people) are OK right here in this thread. Please would everyone go to this link, and comment on the thread. We need to satisfy number 2 above. Thanks all.

Dan

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674407

[Cats Eyes]

Thanks, Dan. I put in my post to that thread.

If you need my real name, it's Kevin Hanes. PM me if you need my email addy or whatever...

Can I suggest you edit the description -- should be:
"Description: This would be a forum dedicated to ..." (not thread).

Good luck to us! :D

-- Kevin

[kd7ost]

Thanks, Dan. I put in my post to that thread.

If you need my real name, it's Kevin Hanes. PM me if you need my email addy or whatever...

Can I suggest you edit the description -- should be:
"Description: This would be a forum dedicated to ..." (not thread).

Good luck to us! :D

-- Kevin

Thanks for catching that Kevin. I'm not even sure if they require the correct name as a moderator. I just usually see it that way. It's probably best as a moderator anyway as it demonstrates you're up front.

edited.

Dan

[Real Ira]

Dan,

This is an outstanding idea.

If it even comes close the moderators should give it a green light.

Ira

[kd7ost]

Hey guys,

Don't forget to let your feelings be known just in case they don't see it like us. Go here and post a yes.
We need 50. We now have 10.

Dan

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674407

[indtech]

OK, I still add my one vote, and won't post my newb q's on verts, crop analysis, drainage etc. here.

Tom,

I’m not too keen on the idea of putting Agriculture threads in the forum if they’re only as Ag shots. I do a lot of Ag work as you well know and its just money work. What would be the difference for example of someone wanting to post pictures of real estate properties or golf course pictures? (Provided we’ll be able to take commercial pictures in the future) The instances that might apply are when an Ag shot shows something in the crop that might indicate an old structure or road through soil compaction or what have you. I would be happy to keep all the Ag threads, and provide any assistance I can to people with the Ag interests in the current AP forum. I wouldn’t want the new forum to become a “How to” necessarily for doing AP work. Does that make sense?

Dan

[Cats Eyes]

I ... won't post my newb q's on verts, crop analysis, drainage etc. here.
Why not? I don't know about others here, but I would think questions (newbie or not) would be fair game. As long as you are taking photos for a scientific/historical/research purpose, if you have a photo and are not quite sure how to interpret what you're seeing, and want some input from others more experienced at air photo interpretation, I would think that would be a valid use of this new forum. What do others think?

-- Kevin

[kd7ost]

I agree. We'll have to watch it closely as moderators.

I'm thinking though that as we get into asking questions such as how to best set up a plane for taking verts, (example) that becomes a how to thread and can be handled in the general AP forum.

Crop analysis would be the same way in my mind. This is actually something that should be managed with the crop advisor or crop owner. Unless we have agronomists here that are familiar with your region, soil, weed's, bugs whatever, it just becomes a thread on speculation. As many ag pics as I've taken I'm not qualified to look at the final picture and advise on a fix action. I just don't know what those guys know.

Maybe it's a little gray area. Here's a couple of pictures of crop fields that have a value for historic knowledge. (Or at least an educational interest). It helps people understand what they're seeing in these pictures.

All of these pictures have artifacts show up through soil compaction.

First shows where there used to be a building and perhaps work area that is no longer there. It explains the poor crop growth in that area.

Next two are the same picture. I’ve drawn some helper lines on the second copy. The first one is original image and if you look close you can see some lines that don't belong there. They outline where the sizes and shapes of the original fields were before converting to the center pivot irrigation system. Again soil compaction prevents the crops from sending roots deep to the lower nutrients, and causes root binding. As a result, later in the year as the crops reach their fullest growth, the lines become evident in the lagging growth over the old roads.

I think Ag pictures like this are OK because they teach and record something that will eventually go away. Over time the compacted areas will loosen up through plowing and harvesting and these won't be so evident. Or if you raise a shallow root crop the compaction might not show up at all later in the year.

Dan

[kd7ost]

However, I don't think an ag picture like this belongs in the new forum even though it has interest and value.

Here's a picture of a potato field showing the coverage and extent of a certain bug damage. I got paid for this one today.

I think shots like this one belong in the general AP section otherwise it opens up the new forum for guys to post the real estate, my neighborhood or whatever pics that we're trying to not be so mixed in with. At least that's how I envision it.

Dan

added this part in an edit.

In the above comment I want to make it clear this was an example of a post that I wouldn't want to see. My verbiage,

Here's a picture of a potato field showing the coverage and extent of a certain bug damage. I got paid for this one today.

This was meant to show what a post might read like that doesn't belong in the new forum. I in fact did not take this picture today or get paid for it today. :o

I took it last year and got paid for it last year before the FAA stopped our operations. When it was still legal. ;)

Dan

[indtech]

Why not? In my case not wanting to rock the boat.
If there is help available it will come from somewhere on RCgroups,
no mater to which fori 'tis posted. So moot point other than hair splitting
to me. If by chance there is something of interest someday in my
stuff, it can be moved, linked, something. I'll put AG in the title.

Dan, your info is like gold. I've read most of your posts.

Why not? I don't know about others here, but I would think questions (newbie or not) would be fair game. As long as you are taking photos for a scientific/historical/research purpose, if you have a photo and are not quite sure how to interpret what you're seeing, and want some input from others more experienced at air photo interpretation, I would think that would be a valid use of this new forum. What do others think?

-- Kevin

[Tom Harper]

Dan,

Ag isn't history but it is a scientific application of AP. These applications share challenges. I want to see them all.

Tom

[kd7ost]

Dan,

Ag isn't history but it is a scientific application of AP. These applications share challenges. I want to see them all.

Tom

I can't argue with that. And certainly this will be a democratic process. My fear is where does it stop if you allow it to be that open ended or highly inclusive? People can argue that pictures of a new housing development going in has city planning and architecture involved as well as the urban interface issues. And those subjects are sciences too. (Just examples) How do we allow one type of science without allowing all types. Everything is based on a science at some level. I don't want to see pictures and threads of housing developments or common day to day things. Those can appear in the current AP forum.

Historically speaking the topics mentioned are pretty weak. Unless something else ties in with it that applies.

For example.

While building a new suburbia, construction workers found old bones and had to stop. Archeologists determined that the bones are from an old civilization of........ I think that should be allowed.

I'm not going to try to dictate the Ag shouldn't be allowed. This will be every ones thread. My hopes are that it becomes a library of topics that help people learn about historical life, Photo analysis, understanding of Earth formation and disasters etc.

I'm sure we'll all need to hammer this out better. I feel it would be better to be exclusive with respect to subject matter and allow more varied topics as we grow along and get a better feel for what we want the forum to be.

I guess after taking so many working Ag pictures they just don't impact me in the way your bygone wagon trails and Spanish camps, Kevin’s Ghost towns, Gray's castles etc do.

I would sure welcome debate among the interested folks though. As I said this needs to be a democratic process.

Maybe we need to figure all this out and compile a list for a sticky for when we get the forum in place. Something that outlines what is expected in the threads as people post them.

I think it would be easy to allow more inclusion as we move along rather than to pull back on topics that really don’t have the same impact.

And maybe I'm being too restrictive at this point. :confused:

Dan

[kd7ost]

Only 14 names so far.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674407

[Real Ira]

Hey Dan,

I tend to agree with Tom,

Any real scientific interest would be great and generate draw.

As for too much tripe getting posted. Some will but these things seem to sort themselves out sooner or later.

$00.2

Ira

[Ginger Adam]

Since there is an opportunity here to establish some ground rules from day one - can we get pole and mast AP banned from the forum ?

Ducks..... :)

Adam
ps Are we likely to get 50+ votes needed ? If not - then we can just clearly label the threads concerned in the main AP forum.

[kd7ost]

Since there is an opportunity here to establish some ground rules from day one - can we get pole and mast AP banned from the forum ?

Ducks..... :)

Adam
ps Are we likely to get 50+ votes needed ? If not - then we can just clearly label the threads concerned in the main AP forum.

We have a count of 44 now. I harrassed a few of my freinds to go look and sign on to get some of those though. :o

I'm not sure if banning poles and masts is a good idea. I don't feel that violates the educational process of what we're after in the new forum. Many time in my threads I supplement air photo's with ground photo's to better show features or what have you. Although I do feel the aerial pictures give a perspective not otherwise seen, ground pictures help the viewer imagine they themselves are viewing the location from their distance much better. It might also show or record building decay or ground debris that connects it with a date and time. I would hate to limit the pictures to from RC aircraft only. I think that will force a loss of complete information many times.

Dan

[California Condor]

I agree. I believe the main idea is "Discovery"

[kd7ost]

Update,

I'm keeping a running tally of names that agreed to sign on here.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7307595&postcount=2

We have another that just signed up so now have 45 with only 5 names left to present this to the moderators for a vote and trial basis. Even if we get it approved it still has to go through a trial period. If there's no activity they'll shut it down. It would be great if everyone that has presented these types of threads can ID the locations and maybe we can get them moved to the new forum.

Since these style threads take time, work and research to put together it won't be a fast moving 20 new thread a day forum like this one. We should be ready to show activity during the trial period.

Dan

[kd7ost]

Reposting the "sign on" link for ease of location.

Dan

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674407

[Ginger Adam]

Sorry Dan, it was a (poor) attempt at humour. I've never really gotten over the $hitstorm caused by the banning of poles from an AP contest on the forum a while back.

I actually think that most posts in the new forum (assuming it gets going) are likely to feature ground shots in order to backup the message - so I see no sense in banning any form of photography at all.

Adam

We have a count of 44 now. I harrassed a few of my freinds to go look and sign on to get some of those though. :o

I'm not sure if banning poles and masts is a good idea. I don't feel that violates the educational process of what we're after in the new forum. Many time in my threads I supplement air photo's with ground photo's to better show features or what have you. Although I do feel the aerial pictures give a perspective not otherwise seen, ground pictures help the viewer imagine they themselves are viewing the location from their distance much better. It might also show or record building decay or ground debris that connects it with a date and time. I would hate to limit the pictures to from RC aircraft only. I think that will force a loss of complete information many times.

Dan

[Real Ira]

Sorry Dan, it was a (poor) attempt at humour. I've never really gotten over the $hitstorm caused by the banning of poles from an AP contest on the forum a while back.

I actually think that most posts in the new forum (assuming it gets going) are likely to feature ground shots in order to backup the message - so I see no sense in banning any form of photography at all.

Adam


Ditto

This should not be a forum to show off who has the coolest plane or heli, but where people can go to read and contribute things of scientific interest and how AP can play an important role.



Ira

[kd7ost]

Sorry Dan, it was a (poor) attempt at humour. I've never really gotten over the $hitstorm caused by the banning of poles from an AP contest on the forum a while back.

I actually think that most posts in the new forum (assuming it gets going) are likely to feature ground shots in order to backup the message - so I see no sense in banning any form of photography at all.

Adam


:D :D :D

You guys can probably tell I get wrapped up in things sometimes. (Anal retentive?) I didn't see the forrest for the trees in your comment. ;)

Thank you

Dan

[Real Ira]

:D :D :D

You guys can probably tell I get wrapped up in things sometimes. (Anal retentive?) I didn't see the forrest for the trees in your comment. ;)

Thank you

Dan

It's just one of the things we love about you. :p

Ira

[kd7ost]

Please refer to this thread for future information.

Dan

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675082