Know a model to match this boat?

[empirebuilder]

Yes, I know I should be working on finishing one of my existing boats!

BUT, one of my ancestors was a captain of a barque in Nova Scotia, and this painting recently surfaced of his ship, AND I thought it would be very cool to build a model for my mother as she is traveling to Nova Scotia this year to dig up more information on old Captain Albert Munroe.

SO, does anyone know of a kit and/or manufacturer that makes a model similar enough to the attached photo?

[papower]

You should be able to find a close match here
http://www.modelexpo-online.com

[arrow5]

Red Ensign , I see an artist`s signature and possibly the date `83 ? in bottom right hand corner.

[ropanach]

The Cutty Shark I belive is the same layout

[empirebuilder]

PApower, thanks for the website link.

Arrow5, good catch I had missed that.

ropanach, Thanks for the tip. I did check out the Cutty Sark, and also there are a couple models of the Thermopylae, another barque clipper ship that was a contemporary of the Cutty Sark as I have read online.

By what I have found so far, Mantua makes a Thermopylae model, but looks like no sails included. Billing and Mantua both make a Cutty Sark. This one will be a shelf queen so static model will be acceptable.

I've never done a sailing ship - has anyone done one of these models before?

[Deestingray]

You could also look for a Cutty Sark that is made by Artesania Latina, they usually produce some really nice looking models. I have been building the Jolie Brise for the last couple of years, just a static display for my fish tank.
They are quite involved and a lot of fun if you are that way inclined, some of the detail work is really good too if you are up to it.

[Deestingray]

Okay,

This was bugging me so I did a google search and found the tall ships webpage and had a browse through the ships that were in the challenge and one popped up that in my opinion is almost identical to what you are after.
It is a ship called the US Brig Niagara that is a 3 master and from the photos is almost a dead ringer.
There is a kit available through Model shipways http://www.naturecoast.com/hobby/shipways.htm#NIAGARA

[patmat2350]

Guys, guys... count the masts!
Eliza A., above, is a barque- two square rigged masts with fore-and-aft sails on the third mast.

Niagra is a little armed brig- two square rigged masts.

Cutty Sark is a "full rigged" clipper- three masts square rigged.

You might be able to modify a Cutty hull and rerig like Eliza- compare hull dimensions to see if it's feasible.

Rig reference: http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mma/AtoZ/rigs.html

PM

[patmat2350]

But that being said, I looked through my Model Expo catalog and found no barque quite like Eliza A.
The merchantman "Flying Fish" is close:
http://www.modelexpo-online.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe
but that's a difficult and $$ plank on frame kit, and you'll still need to modify the aft rig.
Elsewise, they have several Cuttys at different skill levels and prices... just leave off the spars on the last mast!

There's also a Revell Cutty which could be modified, and hey the hull is already molded!
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPCS0&P=ML

PM

[cdog46]

Checkout the models of BlueJacket Shipcrafters

http://www.bluejacketinc.com/

They produce outstanding kits-really nice and they may have a kit resembling that painting.

While that indeed looks like a clipper ship-I believe it to be a DownEaster which was a refinement of the clipper-say 1870's era when Maine & other ship builders took the fine hull entrance of the clipper but a fatter hull section and rigged them so they required less crew but they could carry more cargo.

They were basically the last iteration of a square rigger before the era of multi-masted schooners with donkey engines.

[empirebuilder]

Wow, thanks for all the great replies. Patmat, good point there on the number of masts. I would expect the Eliza A to be a much smaller ship than the legendary Cutty Sark so I was pondering the size differential. The Cutty Sark must be a good bit longer and thus a full 3 masts square rigged.

Since I am no scratch builder, it seems like my best bet so far is to find a readily available Cutty or Thermopylae and attempt to modify the aft mast to match the Eliza and not be square rigged. As far as the additional length, not alot to do about that unless I can find a model kit of a smaller Nova Scotia barque. Perhaps I can try to size down the hull and modify the aft mast?

I did find a webpage with some great photos of other barques of the time period in Nova Scotia:
Nova Scotia Barques (http://www.gov.ns.ca/nsarm/virtual/brigsbarqs/Results.asp?Search=&SearchList1=4&Language=English&Start=1)

Looks like most were triple masted, with the first two masts square rigged (sails in a square) and the aft mast was "fore and aft" rigged. From the excellent link posted previously, here is an excerpt showing the barque.

[Jerome Morris]

By the looks of the Eliza, I think no matter what hull you pick up, be it wood or plastic you'll probably have to take some of the middle out to shorten the hull.
OR you could wing it with a cutty sark hull, lay down a new deck that more matches the layout on you vessel...and call it close enough.
Can't wait to she how you make out.
jerome

[empirebuilder]

"Can't wait to she how you make out. "

Thanks Jerome, but based on my history it will take me longer to build the model than the real ship plied the seas!

I have my first model, a Trojan F31, construction complete and ready for fiberglass and paint, and that only took me 1.5 years! :p

[ropanach]

The U.S.S. Kcarsarge could be used with a little moding.
I built this in the 70's carved wood hull, don't remember who made the kit. Just a suggestion. Hope this helps. lol

[empirebuilder]

:eek: Wow, that's an awesome piece of work, thanks for sharing ropanach!

To my eyes, that model definitely looks close enough to the prototype I am trying to match. If only I could find a "for sailing dummies" kit. Of course, I may do something smaller as a study first then in later years build a larger model to the scale you've done...

[toesup]

Erm... Guys...

I think Empirebuilder might want to go and have a look at this site... :eek:

http://www.galvestonhistory.org/1877_Tall_Ship_ELISSA.asp

Almost the same name.. and certainly the same rig...

And then there is the Star of India at the Maritime Museum in San Diego.. again the same rig..

http://www.sdmaritime.com/contentpage.asp?ContentID=48

This information is what comes when you ask the wife to identify which ships have this rig..:eek:;);) She is the expert! :o

[papower]

For ship modelling here are 2 good sites.
http://forum.drydockmodels.com/index.php
http://www.shipmodeling.ca/index.html
Bruce

[empirebuilder]

Toesup, thanks for the links! I would have never found those. I don't believe Elissa is the same ship, but it would be interesting to take a tour as the ships look nearly identical and certainly would be similar. It was very cool to see the other site which includes some video of the Star of India sailing.

PAPower, thanks also for the links

[toesup]

Some of the Star of India the last time i was down in San Diego