Eddie Aircraft "JALOPAPLANE"

[KOMET 44]

Well guys here is my new spring project.I hope to have it ready for the spring sizzler.This design as been around since 1998(I think) Eddies daughter karen has taken over the business.Eddie ha bad alzhimers dease.Anyway this plane is a mythical idea that may have been produced in 20 or 30's Here's a few pictures.Power will be a 45/3 Jeti phaser on a 3to1 MAT Belt drive.Will start with round cells maybe go to lipo's.

[KOMET 44]

More updates,Here are the leftside of the fuse with the stringers in place.Very time consuming when you are cutting all the stringers too :eek: Next picture is the stablizer and elevators traced out onto a 1/16 central balsa core.This is a form of building taken from british scale model builders.Then will add balsa ribs and sand to shape.
KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

Sorry the delays in updates.Here are the rightside stringer's complete and in place.I also finished the rest of the leftside. Second photo is the landing gear bent and silver soldered togther.enjoy,
KOMET44

[smsgill]

Neat project. Keep up the good work.

Scott

[Martin Irvine]

Beautiful structure! What is the final size/weight to be?

Martin

[GrrrAmps]

That's a piece of artwork! It's one of those frames that you almost hate to cover.

[KOMET 44]

Thank you all for the nice comments.Martin,W.S. is 83" and weight target is 12lbs.Covering is nelson's lite fab. Also I'm going to try to build my own wheels.Does anybody have a source for solid neoprene rubber? Thanxs,

KOMET44

[Martin Irvine]

Try Canal Rubber in NYC

Martin

[stangrob]

KOMET44,

Beautiful airframe. Every year I go to WRAM I look at that plane and have to fight from buying a set of plans as I already have too many other projects in the hopper ;)

One thing I wanted to comment on is your powertrain choice. I'm not sure how fast you're planning on spinning that prop, but I have a Jeti 30-3 and as far as I know the 45-3 has the same RPM limitation. Best-case they say you can run a 2:1 gearbox, but anything more aggressive than that and you run the risk of throwing the magnets in the motor. Not fun.

Just thought you might want to take that into consideration. Otherwise I'm anxious to see now this progresses and the related flight reports :D

Rob

[KOMET 44]

Martin thanxs for the link.Worked perfectly ;) Rob thank you also for the adivse.I'm going to do power testing on the bench first.If the 45/3 dosen't work I have at least a half dozen power systems sitting on the shelf waiting for planes to be built.

KOMET44

[N99JH]

Martin thanxs for the link.Worked perfectly ;) Rob thank you also for the adivse.I'm going to do power testing on the bench first.If the 45/3 dosen't work I have at least a half dozen power systems sitting on the shelf waiting for planes to be built.

KOMET44

Any more progress on your beautiful Jalopaplane since your last posting?

[KOMET 44]

Sorry for not posting in a little while.I took a little time in figuring out on how to make the tail removeable.This is for transportation ease and storage.I'll get some more picturs posted tommorro night.

KOMET44

[N99JH]

Sorry for not posting in a little while.I took a little time in figuring out on how to make the tail removeable.This is for transportation ease and storage.I'll get some more picturs posted tommorro night.

KOMET44

"Tomorrow night" was May 4th, LOL. Seriously, any chance of seeing more pictures?

Thanks

Joshua

[KOMET 44]

Well here are some more pictures.Progress is moving slow but I will try to keep on it.Stab,rudder and vertical fin are removeable.Two allen screws hold down the complete tail.Anyway here you go.

KOMET44

[N99JH]

Thanks for the update pictures - it is going to be a beautiful plane and you should be very proud. I have not seen one flying but it sure is going to be very gracious.

[KOMET 44]

Sorry for the lack of updates.Elevators are complete along with the control horns. I'll get some pictures posted shortly.

KOMET44

[N99JH]

Sorry for the lack of updates.Elevators are complete along with the control horns. I'll get some pictures posted shortly.

KOMET44

Any progress photos to show? I am really curious to see it fly.

Best Regards

Joshua

[On_Again]

KOMET44

Just found this forum.
Looking through your posts on the Jalopaplane- Looks very good.

I have a set of Jalopaplane plans that I purchased from Eddie several years ago. Haven't got very far with them - other projects seem to keep coming up.

I was wondering what you have estimated for the all up weight and wing loading. My best guesses were around 35 oz/sq.ft - (12 - 15 lbs???)

On_Again

[KOMET 44]

Joshua thanxs for getting the fire lit under my A$$ :eek: I'll try to get on it this week.On_Again as for a total weight rite now with the elevators and one big servoand cowl, it is 49oz(look at the first page pictures.)The plane has independent elevators and rite now I have two pieces of tig wire going to a union connection to a single servo.I'm not likeing that one elevator could move before the other and I'm thinking about two servos in the tail area.Also to who ever builds this plane,"Build a stand shaped like the fuse".It's very clumbsy and the stringers get broken very easly :(

KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

Well, my order of wood arrived at the doorstep yesterday :D .So with any luck I'll get build the wing this weekend.Anyhow here is a picture of the elevator and my homemade control horns(G10 fiberglass sheet).Maybe with luck I'll have it with me a the NEAT Fair. Finished or Not.

[KOMET 44]

Well the build is back on!! :D Just started the wing ribs.I'm copying the ribs onto balsa with acetone.One problem is the cutting the ribs and trying to match the cut ribs against the plans.This all depends on how many times the plans get copied from the master.I have settled on sanding ribs to shape and cutting out only the bottom spars.Nice thing in my favor is that the wing is built flat ontop balsa sheeting.As I get all the ribs cut out I'll start posting pictures.

KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

Wing ribs are coming along.This is time consuming.No pictures rite now .Before friday I'll have pictures.With any luck(or depending if I go out to fly this weekend) I hope to get the wing framed up.

KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

First of all the wing is built flat and on top of a 3/32 sheet balsa.So the next thing I did was to make a ruff out line of the wing by gluing the sheets of balsa togther.Then get your self carbon paper to cover the balsa sheeting.I then carefully put the plan over the sheeting and carbon paper.I traced all the rib positions,spar,and outline of the wing. To keep the plan from moving I used round cell battery packs as weight. If it comes out correctly it will look like this,

[KOMET 44]

Once I was happy with the left panel ,I used the left panel as a templet for the right side.Next I sanded the panles together and your happy lay them on your build board.My board is only 60" long I kept 70% on the board.I'm starting with the right panel.The first spar I did was the bottom (or closest to the trailing edge of the wing).This one is the shortest.This will help you set up your wing so you can keep it all straight.Lay the spar in place following the lines from the left panel.I instaled a couple ribs 11,10,5,&4.Then I measured from the back edge of the rib to the edge of the wing panel.I did this for both sides making sure there was the same distance.You can lay the spar against the lines on the left panel but over a distance things can wander.When your happy trace the spar onto the right panel, lift spar up add glue and reinstale.I also added weight to keep the spar down.The top spar(one closest the leading egde) is done in the same manor.At all times with adding spars I always would check distances between the two spars.Here's a pic for insperation,

KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

Once I glued in all the ribs on the right panel and Aileron spar in place the wing was slid to the right.The left panel was put onto the board.Also sometimes I think I get smarter the more you get into a build This time I place wax paper under the panel so it dosen't get glued to the board.Since the wing is 80" in span and I don't have any spar material that long I made a splice in the upper spar.It is between ribs 4&5.I think this is called a "SCARF Joint".If that is not correct someone please correct me.Next I epoxied the joint together and glued spar to the bottom sheeting.After it was dry I put carbon fiber on the sides and across the top.I hope this will give some add strength.1/32 Plywood could also be used.

[N99JH]

Very, very nice job! You are a source of inspiration!

Thanks for sharing

Joshua

[karl k]

Lookin' good

Karl

[KOMET 44]

Here is a picture of the wing with all spars & ribs in place.Next will be the shear webbing,top sheeting & ailerons cut out.What you see there is 1lb 6oz.will be back soon.
KOMET44

[N99JH]

Looking great! Thanks for sharing.

[CryHavoc]

If you do a search, there is an old thread I ran across once that detailed how to beef up the Jetis. Basically you wrap the magnets with a single layer of Kevlar thread. You have to be careful and take your time not to overlap the kevlar strand as you wrap. There is just enough room between the magnet and the windings for one thin layer. Once its wrapped you wet out the layer with thin CA to bond it.

If I recall, you can rev the motor as much as the bearings will take.

Mike

[KOMET 44]

Hi guy's,I haven't given up on the plane just stuck rite now building a MUD DUCK.I should be back on the build by jan 01 2008.Thanxs for hanging in with me.

KOMET44

[N99JH]

Anything new? it is too pretty an airplane to drop., please share with us.
Joshua

[KOMET 44]

Joshua,I'm finishing my Giant Mudduck at the moment,http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=773143 .The plane has had two successful flights and now the finish work is in progress.This should be done by the end of march or sooner.For me I really never get a chance to really finish a plane.This will be first in a line of many to come.Also this plane is my test bed for A123 Cells.Even though I flew it on Nimh. That's my story and I'm sticking to it :D Jan08 focal piont in the ama mag had a jalopaplane in it.
This will the next plane finished.

KOMET44

[N99JH]

Any progress lately?

[KOMET 44]

Josh, nothing to report as of yet.As usual life is getting in the way :( :( But I still plane to finish this plane next.
KOMET44

[ilbcnuairborne]

Did It ever get finished??

[KOMET 44]

The plane has been finished yet.It's still in a Framed up state.As of march 08 I have been out of the hobby.I'm trying to get restarted.Maybe 2009??

KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

Well ,I'm going to try for 2009 or sooner with this project.Here's a picture with the wing in place to get the interest started again.
KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

I haven't given up yet on this plane.9yrs in this hobby has caught up with me in the building area.Too much crap and nothing organized.So it was time for a 5s project(Simplify,Straighten,Scrub,Standardizing,Su stain)For some people staying neat and organized is easy.For me it is a challange.
KOMET44

[TCraftPO]

Hey Kommet 44! Just wondering what the status was of your Jalopaplane? It seems there may be a little interest out there. I plan on building on of these a few planes from now. Any input would be great!

[KOMET 44]

Well it's still in the building stage.Nothing more has been accomplished.TCraft do you plan on building just from the plans? or are you going to get the kit?.I'm finishing a plane that has been all framed up for 4or5 years :eek: .
KOMET44

[vdraper]

Where can i get a set of plans for this plane, it looks like a great building project.
Thanks
Val

[KOMET 44]

val, when I get home I will send you a pm with contact info.
KOMET44

[Thayer]

Eddie A Aircraft
60 Deanna Dr. Unit 157
Hillsborough, NJ 08844

phone; 973-800-0891

e-mail; LQQK4BLUEANGEL@AOL.COM

[KOMET 44]

Well its been a while :eek: .This is the next plane to be flying.Notice I didn't say finished.I'm just getting my A Page cub "FINISHED" and that plane has been built for 3or 4 yrs now.Anyway a little time back I purchased one of these to power the Jalapoplane :D I think I'll be fine in the power dept.Anyhow like I said before thanxs for hanig in on this long build.
KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

"PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE!" I finally decided how I was going to control the rudder and elevator.I was looking at some elaborate system to control the eleavator with dual servos and making a pull pull for the rudder.I scrapped all those idea's.Tonight I made a 5/32 music wire joiner to connect both elevator halfs.I will use one servo.As for the rudder,I will make up another control horn out of g10 fiberglass sheet.The serov's will be in the tail area.This will provide my rear weight :eek: . I'll post picture tommorro night,
KOMET44

[KOMET 44]

Wire connecting the elevator halfs.
KOMET44

[m.kennedy]

Hey Komet44 - If you don't want to finish that plane...I'll buy it from you.

[KOMET 44]

Beleive me,I'm trying to get it finished.These darn mudducks keep getting in my way of progress.Oh ya I like to fly rc also ;)

KOMET44

[Tim Farrar]

Cool !!

I'm in for the rest of the build !!...lol lol lol...


Seeya, Tim