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kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 01:47 AM
A few years back I found a book titled “Sagebrush Post Offices”, A History of the Owyhee County. The Author was Mildretta Adams. The book covers all the post offices that have been showing up in little towns over the last 100 years or so in the very remote and unpopulated Owyhee County. Almost all are gone as are the towns that used their services. I have found the book to be a wealth of other historic information as well. Maybe not in huge detail but it puts geo-caching to shame. There are passages for example like “Bill Johnson Homesteaded near where Rabbit Creek meets Triplet creek.” That is sometimes all the details you get. You dig through the USGS topo quads and locate the creeks confluence. You select a way to get there and create a route with the GPS. You use Google Earth and scout a bit if needed. You pack lots of water because it’s common that you can’t get there on the old wagon trails anymore. Anyway, it’s a fun blend of historical sleuthing, physical activity and wonder. Fun stuff. You may or may not find anything. The journey is worth the search. Recently I’ve been able to bring more of an AP flavor to it with my Dragonfly. It helps to find the many wagon trails that can’t be seen from ground level.

Anyhow, this is a close by and easy one. Not as many pictures as I would like but I can’t get up into the mountains yet due to mud and snow.

Dan

The following is an excerpt from Mildretta’s book.



Guffey, Post Office 1897-1919

Guffey was the “baby town” of Owyhee County in 1897. Located near the mouth of Rabbit Creek, it was the terminal point of the Boise-Nampa-Owyhee railroad and Owyhee County’s first railroad town. The Railroad camp that had been on the Canyon County side of the river was moved to the Owyhee side in September of 1897 after the railroad bridge was completed. The bridge had two spans of 250 feet in length. Guffey immediately took on the appearance of a thriving little town. The first building was erected May 27, 1897, a saloon and dwelling house by Fred Brunzell. Brunzell also had charge of the Guffey Ferry before the railroad bridge was completed.

Other businesses soon followed: a general store, express and post office, hotel, blacksmith shop, livery stables, stage barns and boarding houses. The population grew to 100 persons by 1898. Freight was hauled from Guffey to the mining camps and the ranchers and stockmen picked up supplies there.
D.D. McDonald had a hotel, saloon and blacksmith shop. A.H. McDonald was in the transfer business. Hugh Latham was agent in charge of the Central Lumber Company. Leon Spangler was manager of Falk Block Mercantile and Forwarding Company. Grimes and Irby ran the livery stable, W. W. Wilson had a laundry and Mrs. Kate Hamburg a restaurant.

Guffey was teeming with activity for a brief time. Barry and Phillips freight lines were busy freighting supplies for the railroad which was being extended on to Murphy. Teamsters, laborers and miners on Snake River helped to swell the population. Gradually the town functions were taken over by Murphy to the southwest and faded into oblivion. A new school district was created in 1912, District No. 27. The schoolhouse on the hillside was the only remaining building left that bore the name of Guffey. It too has been removed in recent years.

Although routes cut all over the Snake River plain, the hardest perhaps was the teamsters bringing cargo up into the Owyhee Mountains shown in the distance in one of the later pictures. The wagon ruts are easy to find because they meander in a way that made it easy to cross the creeks. They cut across at angles to reduce stress on the wagons and beast of burden. I posted a picture where I was nice enough to demonstrate why you don't go straight across. :o Took me 45 minutes to dig out and I live here and know better. It looked doable to start anyway.

Dan

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 01:49 AM
More details.

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 02:03 AM
The bridge was intended to replace the Ferry at Guffy. It was to provide materials to ranchers and gold camps in the distant mountains, and bring Ore from the mountains where gold veins had been struck. The gold dried up soon thereafter and the bridge became obsolete in a short period of time.

Dan

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 02:16 AM
Long distance wagon trek

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 02:27 AM
Other local scenes

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 02:52 AM
I couldn't get up river far enough to replicate the picture in Mildretta's book. My angle is off. It's private property now and even though I found some folks living up there, they didn't give me permission to access the property. I suspect there are still old buildings around but but I can't get to the spot.

Dan

lvspark
Apr 06, 2007, 02:57 AM
Interesting read, and great to see some perty pics from that new plane of yours.
Looks like you got stuck bad! :D Darn rear bumpers anyhow! :)

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 03:04 AM
Boy I'll say. Big trucks can save your bacon, or fry it. I got a long overhang back there and could use a bit more altitude underneath. It's the drivers choice though. :rolleyes:

I just keep a 6 Ton jack and a shovel in the back and things work out fine.

Dan

troynh
Apr 06, 2007, 09:42 AM
Great job! You should go metal detecting there.

-Tim

quailbird
Apr 06, 2007, 09:54 AM
Great historical story and great pictures. I love to see the old wagon trail show up from the air. Great job! Thanks for posting!

pda4you
Apr 06, 2007, 10:16 AM
Great pics and history!

Mike

Gray
Apr 06, 2007, 10:16 AM
Nice one Dan, I really enjoyed that.

Gray

icebear
Apr 06, 2007, 05:36 PM
Thanks Dan for a great story and interesting pictures! Really inspiring!
/Bjorn

DiveBombDave
Apr 06, 2007, 05:45 PM
Good work, Dan! Mighty fine job.

Love seeing the 'burban earn her keep. I'm sure it wasn't really stuck when you got out for the photo-op. ;)

Dave

aviatordave
Apr 06, 2007, 06:22 PM
very neat & interesting....thanks for sharing

Dave

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 08:14 PM
Many thanks everyone. I sure have fun with these kinds of explorations. ;) I plan on more of them as time permits.

I took a run at it Dave. The picture doesn't do it justice. Both rear wheels were off the ground. :o Anyhow, it only took about 45 minutes to dig out and gather some rocks for under the wheels. That's part of the high desert experience though. :D I wouldn't have it any other way. ;)

Dan

kd7ost
Apr 06, 2007, 09:01 PM
I've ID'd a few lines and objects that seem obvious but figured I would document the features any way.

You can tell the roads from up high as they follow terrain in a smooth contour type fasion. From high up the drainages look very similar except they zig zag around a bit more in some locations. In this case you can see that they grow larger from small drain offs on the hills and in some cases join and become bigger.

The first picture shows some features I've identified. The yellow spot on the road with a red center has an arrow pointing along the downhill direction of the road.

The second picture is a ground view of what that same spot looks like on the ground.

Dan

Real Ira
Apr 07, 2007, 01:38 AM
Cool Thread Dan!

Man I've been high centered, Mud stuck you name it but that one takes the cake. :D

Thats odd not getting permission to fly on that private land??

Never had a problem with that. In fact most people think the whole idea is so cool they actually want to help.
I have had to resort to "free pic's" a couple times though.

Ira

kd7ost
Apr 07, 2007, 02:01 AM
I think the old place is on BLM land. But, I have to come over the bridge or Guffey Butte to get to it. Either way I don't see packing my plane and gear a mile or several depending on the route to get the pictures.

Problem is an old story. Folks with Rifles and targets of beer cans and bottles have ruined access for those of us that will act responsibly. Busted glass, shot up cans and buckets of empty shell casings left around aren't the kind of debris these guys want to see any more of. They did tell me I could overfly it from across the river but it would be about a half mile away flight and I don't want to risk going down in no mans land. (I thought that was bizarre) they don't care if I overfly it but can't go through their property to do it close in.

Anyhow, there is so much else to explore and photograph out here that I'm going to move on to what I think are much cooler projects. This one was close by and pretty easy to get to.

I've been high centered too. That's the worst unless you're in mud to your axles. I prefer being high cornered any day. It's much easier to dig out.

Dan

wattnoise
Apr 08, 2007, 12:46 PM
Very nice, Dan... Great place and story... Too bad about the access problem though... Perhaps you do this already, but I had always carried an album of prints of previous AP to show them what I did and that that's ALL I did - usually was the clencher to get access... I can only think of one time that I still didn't get access... In my case, I suspect their was "something" else they weren't wanting to be seen - they didn't even want me flying near their place... Wearing a well worn cowboy hat around here seems to get a good reception as well... LOL - ;)

Kevin

kd7ost
Apr 08, 2007, 03:40 PM
Thanks again everyone.

I did some digging on how to get closer and still am not sure I'll follow up on this one. The best I might do is hike in. The folks I talked to were driving out of the private drive. They were in a $50,000.00 dually pickup with double cab. Two couples. They were pulling a huge boat. Not a fishing boat but a small cabin cruiser. They didn't seem to me like they fit the description of a "local" farmer or rancher. There isn't enough field crop in this area to justify that cost. Could have been kids moved away just back for a visit. Could have been Californians moved up bought a piece of cool land along the river for isolation. Who knows? Anyway, they listened to my request, then all 4 in unison were pretty fast to say No, you can't come here. Go across the river. Leave.

Well I know maps and the area so I did a little digging but all I came up with is this. Here's a link to the location where I think the building in the trees in is on a USGS Topo Quad. I’ll repost the same picture to avoid having to dig around.

http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=43.29528&lon=-116.55&datum=nad83&u=6&layer=DRG&size=l&s=24

Next is a picture from Google Earth where I’ve put a Yellow Dot over the same area. The coordinates match up.

Next is a picture of a 1:100,000 BLM map of Murphy Idaho. Just for reference, The Yellow area is Public land managed by the BLM. The blue squares are 1 mile square State land just to prevent the State from losing all control. Square 36 typically belongs to the state in every 36 miles square Township and Range. The white area is privately owned. The Black squares on the map are surveyed out 1 mile square plots for reference. The same squares on the USGS topo quads are Red.

That having been said, by comparing all the maps you can see that little spot is just to the East of a North/South Township range line in square mile 32. That line divides a small piece of Public land but puts the little square building just inside private land. If I want to get there I ID’d a path to hike. I can park on public land north of the river at the Old Guffey Bridge. I can hike South across the bridge and keep going straight south on State land. (1 mile square TS #36 in that row) About a half mile I can head west and cross BLM land till I overshoot the location and move south. It looks like I can get within 100 meters or so of that building in the trees.

I put a black arrow and dot to the location of the building on the BLM map and drew a light blue line showing a course around private land.

That having been said, I don’t know what the building in the trees is. I only suspect it might be one of the few, or the only remnant.

Dan

kd7ost
May 31, 2007, 06:03 PM
I had this thread moved over from the AP Forum.

Dan