We want phoenix 1.04! Sign this thread!

[ange]

:D Sign this thread to let the devs know that even though we do appreciate their sim, and the excellent support/response to emails, were reeeeaally tired of waiting for 1.04!

Bring it! =)

- oh and, dont begin flamewars on why this thread is here etc - its very simple, the promise was march, its not march anymore.

The least they can do is give us an update on how things are, or when it will be!

:D

[Grale]

Yeah an update on progress would be nice :)

they could maybe use their news section to let us know how things are going with current patches and features for the future, not just we have detected a minor bug, or new patch available....
more updates would maybe keep us impatient sods happier ;)
for instance i didn't realise that the model maker had been put on hold while they are doing 1.04 until Tetley mentioned it !!

[ange]

Exactly. =)

The more people who sign this, the more they will know how they ARE DESTROYING OUR WORLDS BY NOT FINISHING IT!

PEOPLE ARE LOSING LIVES OVER THIS ITS LIKE VIETNAM ALL OVER.

/cry

[burnside]

the best things come to those who wait!!

[Ade]

would you rather they rushed out a buggy slow piece of software or something that runs fast and reliably?

believe me they are working their arse off over there. 1.04 will be evailable when its ready!

Ade

[LouieB]

Ade ...

I personally would rather they wait and get the code correct. Glad to here that the modeler is on hold and their attention is being devoted to the core of the program. In the end I hope that they address some of the issues I wrote to you about and some that I have not made known to you.

It seems that the programmers have changed their focus and that is good, PhoenixRC is a diamond in the rough and I am sure that soon enough it will shine brilliantly.

[ange]

would you rather they rushed out a buggy slow piece of software or something that runs fast and reliably?

believe me they are working their arse off over there. 1.04 will be evailable when its ready!

Ade

To be honest id come to expect more from them than exceeding a deadline they set themselves to the community and not come up with one piece of info.

All it takes is a line on their page, a post in the forum, - something.

We dont care if its done today or in two weeks - we do care if we dont hear anything. Why? Because its not that much fun checking www.phoenix-sim.com every single day hoping - in the end you get frustrated.

So, instead of protecting them/being defensive, try to get an answer on when they think it might be done - or some info on how far theyve gotten - thats something we can actually use.

:eek:

[LouieB]

To be honest id come to expect more from them than exceeding a deadline they set themselves to the community and not come up with one piece of info.

All it takes is a line on their page, a post in the forum, - something.

We dont care if its done today or in two weeks - we do care if we dont hear anything. Why? Because its not that much fun checking www.phoenix-sim.com every single day hoping - in the end you get frustrated.

So, instead of protecting them/being defensive, try to get an answer on when they think it might be done - or some info on how far theyve gotten - thats something we can actually use.

:eek:

Ange ...

I normally keep you on my ignore list and for good reason, but I just had to see what you were spewing about this time.

Unfortunatly, you fell for the 'hype' about PhoenixRC, as I mentioned previously it is a diamond in the rough and you might as well expect it to take another year or so before it begins to really shine.

Phoenix is under no obligation to provide us with updates or information and the fact of the matter is that it is often the worse thing a software house can do as it causes users to pant and to be impatient. Your are an example of that and if you are checking the Phoenix web site every day then that has to do with your choices and nothing to do with Phoenix.

While Ade does not need me to defend him, how about laying off for a while. I have never found Ade to be anything less than professional with the users here and he has gone out of his way to help all of us. For the record, I am not a 'fanboy' of Phoenix or its employees and in fact have been very harsh with them in my posts here as well as in private emails and pm's.

In short, take a chill pill and wait, the project managers and others have taken a look at what is really important and they have taken the steps to address problems now.

Back onto my ignore list you go.

[ange]

First off.

I win, since you took me off your ignore list.

Secondly.

I won again, since you had to take me off once more, to check what i replied (and you know you did... :p )

Now.

I check the site everyday at work. It takes me 5 seconds to see that theres nothing new. Whooptido. So what?

Yes, Ade has been professional, but Ade is not phoenix-sim.com, and while i dont agree with you that Phoenix is a diamond in the rough, i will say that i do believe youre right about them maybe a bit too deep in, on their promises atleast.

Having said that, id still buy phoenix, over any of the other sims on the market right now - i like the feel of it, and unlike other sims, it just makes me smile.

But, this thread as i stated - and as you obviously failed to see in your eagerness to write something you thought was half clever - is not a flame against phoenix, the people behind, or the ones in front.

I believe in them when they say its almost ready - why? Because they have only given me reason to trust them, with their near-perfect service, fast response, and always courteous replies.

It seems you and i are different on that point - i actually trust, and believe in people until they prove me wrong.

I only started this thread to give people a chance of signing up, so we can show the phoenix guys were still here - nothing else really.

Here comes the one million dollar question:

Why the h**l are you here? Youre only negative, and apparently im on your ignore list, probably because i outwitted you in some form making you choose to ignore me as it was your only way to "win".

So - why *are* you in this thread? Actually let me rephrase that. Why are you anywhere? Go find a bridge - or maybe, hey just maybe.. you should take a chill pill. :rolleyes:

Ange ...

I normally keep you on my ignore list and for good reason, but I just had to see what you were spewing about this time.

Unfortunatly, you fell for the 'hype' about PhoenixRC, as I mentioned previously it is a diamond in the rough and you might as well expect it to take another year or so before it begins to really shine.

Phoenix is under no obligation to provide us with updates or information and the fact of the matter is that it is often the worse thing a software house can do as it causes users to pant and to be impatient. Your are an example of that and if you are checking the Phoenix web site every day then that has to do with your choices and nothing to do with Phoenix.

While Ade does not need me to defend him, how about laying off for a while. I have never found Ade to be anything less than professional with the users here and he has gone out of his way to help all of us. For the record, I am not a 'fanboy' of Phoenix or its employees and in fact have been very harsh with them in my posts here as well as in private emails and pm's.

In short, take a chill pill and wait, the project managers and others have taken a look at what is really important and they have taken the steps to address problems now.

Back onto my ignore list you go.

[Huub]

@ PhoenixRc devs/test/support group:

Go guys!!!!!!!!

http://www.hypnotist.uk.com/Thumps%20up.jpg

Take the time needed to improve this great piece of software even more.


(Ade for president as well :D)

[Skunkerama]

The model maker is on hold? Can someone point me in the direction of that info please? I can't find it on the official site.

I take it we wont be able to create or re-skin models?

[Grale]

Tetley mentioned it to me in a pm when i asked him a modeling question, he said the sdk was 3/4 done but was on hold while the multiplayer was finished.

but this is why i posted here, not to rant and say we want it now!! but that information could very easily have been posted on phoenix website.

I can wait as my model is far from finished!! but i think the sdk is more important than multiplayer, more model choices are important as everyone wants to fly their own model in the sim..
when users can create their own models i think phoenix will do even better

[Skunkerama]

Multiplayer more important than the ability to create models? Christ what a business model. How the hell will multiplayer improve the sim?
If I want to fly with other people I go down to my club, if I want to play a polished and well presented multiplayer game I'll start up Battlefield 2142.

I like many bought this sim to improve my flying, this is greatly enhanced if the model looks and fly's like my current real life models, hence we need model design add-on.

I'd prefer to help increase the pretty low choice of fixed wing models. I'd prefer to make and create my own models and share them.

This is the last straw, crap distancing between camera and obstacles, samey sound effects for most models, models that don't crash realistically, lack of flaps etc, no slope soaring fields, what seems to be a heli sim with fixed wing tacked on and some strange physics at times.

1 copy of Phoenix with dongle for sale, please pm me, best offer gets it.

Time to dust off AFPD.

[LouieB]

I can wait as my model is far from finished!! but i think the sdk is more important than multiplayer, more model choices are important as everyone wants to fly their own model in the sim..
when users can create their own models i think phoenix will do even better

Absolutely agree with you. hopefully they are fixing plenty of other issues along with their misguided effort on multiplayer. I suspect that their focus on multiplayer is going to come close to being the downfall of Phoenix. This program needs many other things that will be of greater importance to the health of Phoenix than it needs multiplayer. I can understand the modeler going on temp hold while bugs are stomped but to drop it for the multiplayer was probably not a good idea.

If the next release does not provide substantional improvements to the model appearance, plenty of additonal models and fields and needed bug and GUI fixes then my copy of Phoenix will be for sell also. Once I abandon a piece of software I seldom ever return to it.

[Ichigo]

would you rather they rushed out a buggy slow piece of software or something that runs fast and reliably?

believe me they are working their arse off over there. 1.04 will be evailable when its ready!

Ade


I would rather promises kept...how abt that?

[Ade]

I would rather promises kept...how abt that?

ouch. that hurt, thanks.

They are doing their best to get it done asap and myself and tetley are helping where we can (as well as holding down full time jobs and going flying) unfortunately there are only 24hrs in a day.

good things come to those who wait :-)

Ade

[mattknn]

ouch. that hurt, thanks.

They are doing their best to get it done asap and myself and tetley are helping where we can (as well as holding down full time jobs and going flying) unfortunately there are only 24hrs in a day.

good things come to those who wait :-)

Ade

It must be pretty taxing for you and Tetley to hold full time jobs and work for Phoenix too.

[ange]

It must be pretty taxing for you and Tetley to hold full time jobs and work for Phoenix too.

Dont know about that.. if we can post from work, why cant they? :D

[bilboa]

Personally I'd prefer Phoenix fix the outstanding physics engine problems before anything else. I've been able to edit existing aircraft to fly like my real ones, and I don't really care if they look like mine or not, so for me the ADK can wait. I've seen plenty of posts from people saying they wouldn't purchase Phoenix until it had online multi-player. I've seen others saying the ADK is the most important missing feature. So from my view there's no obvious right order that Phoenix should do things in. They just need to make their own decisions based partly on the feedback they get from customers about what's most important. We should all keep in mind that our view is limited to our own preferences, plus the preferences of people who choose to post their views on these forums. Phoenix probably gets a lot more requests from people who don't post here.

[Ade]

trouble is you cant please all of the people all of the time. doesnt matter which they did first somebody would have still moaned about how they wanted something else done first.

its human nature!

whilst a lot of the "noise" on this forum does seem to be coming from people wanting physics updates most of the people i talked to wanted the multiplayer.

there was no right way to do it. Had to be done at some point and there will always be niggles in the physics that need tweeking so if we didnt have this disscussion now we would have it further down the line AND people would be moaning about the lack of multiplayer :-)

Ade

[Ichigo]

trouble is you cant please all of the people all of the time. doesnt matter which they did first somebody would have still moaned about how they wanted something else done first.

its human nature!


Couldn't be any worse than a vendor claiming to have xyz, better support, faster updates and coming soon multiplayer support...then guess what? Its the same horse #$%@! as all the other simulator vendors.

Don't make it sound like customers are being unrealistic or making your job harder about updates and features that you said phoenix was supposed to be better at. Of course customers are those who already purchased the product so why should you give a @#$% right?

[Ade]

Ichigo,

multiplayer IS in the final stages of testing obviously there have been a couple of unforseen issues hence the delay.

so calling it the same horse #$%@! is more than a little unfair. Since release there have been 2 major updates to physics and graphics of both fixed wing and helis. and a further 2 tweeks to 1.03 following customer feed back.

not to mention 2 new sceneries and a bunch of models that fly very much like the real versions.

i think most would agree that its rare to see these types of updates from a product that is less than a year old.

Ade

[ChrisE]

whilst a lot of the "noise" on this forum does seem to be coming from people wanting physics updates most of the people i talked to wanted the multiplayer.

Ade[/QUOTE]


Can I add my voice to those who want the physics right. Multiplayer is of absolutely no interest whatsoever. I see this as the difference between a simulator and a game. If the physics arn't right then it is a game not a simluator. Not right physics and multiplayer confirm even more the game idea.

Chris

[bilboa]

Phoenix's flight physics are probably the best of any of the sims currently out, so I don't think it's reasonable to say it's more of a game than other simulators. It does have some things which could be improved about heli physics, as do all the sims.

As far as people who keep referring to promises that PhoenixRC is breaking, what promises are you referring to? A release date estimate is not a promise, especially if you're not paying for it. The fact that some people are getting so pissed about an estimate being wrong just illustrates why many companies avoid giving estimates: many people seem to have a hard time understanding what an estimate is.

This thread alone illustrates nicely that there's no obvious right order that Phoenix should be implementing new features in, as we have had people saying physics must come first, multiplayer must come first, and ADK must come first. So it seems a bit silly to declare that Phoenix's business model is off just because they didn't adopt your own personal priorities. I'm sure they get a lot more direct requests than requests via RC forums, so they're probably in the best position to know what the most requested features are.

[burnside]

Phoenix's flight physics are probably the best of any of the sims currently out, so I don't think it's reasonable to say it's more of a game than other simulators. It does have some things which could be improved about heli physics, as do all the sims.

As far as people who keep referring to promises that PhoenixRC is breaking, what promises are you referring to? A release date estimate is not a promise, especially if you're not paying for it. The fact that some people are getting so pissed about an estimate being wrong just illustrates why many companies avoid giving estimates: many people seem to have a hard time understanding what an estimate is.

This thread alone illustrates nicely that there's no obvious right order that Phoenix should be implementing new features in, as we have had people saying physics must come first, multiplayer must come first, and ADK must come first. So it seems a bit silly to declare that Phoenix's business model is off just because they didn't adopt your own personal priorities. I'm sure they get a lot more direct requests than requests via RC forums, so they're probably in the best position to know what the most requested features are.

well said that man

[ChrisE]

Who said Phoenix was more of a game than the other simulators? My comment was simply that some features are "game" & others are "simulator". This is true of all the simulators & not just Phoenix. I can also see that as a business model being able to advertise multi player will sell more than a slightly improved physics engine.

None of the above alters the fact that I want the best physics at the expense of virtually everything else - especially multi player support but including more flying sites etc- & I would like to be added to that list as some "priority to develop" list is obviously being kept.

Delays in everything to do with computers are legendary. I prefer it be be right than on time so a short delay is not an issue for me. Priorities are.

Chris

[Ichigo]

Phoenix's flight physics are probably the best of any of the sims currently out, so I don't think it's reasonable to say it's more of a game than other simulators. It does have some things which could be improved about heli physics, as do all the sims.

As far as people who keep referring to promises that PhoenixRC is breaking, what promises are you referring to? A release date estimate is not a promise, especially if you're not paying for it. The fact that some people are getting so pissed about an estimate being wrong just illustrates why many companies avoid giving estimates: many people seem to have a hard time understanding what an estimate is.

This thread alone illustrates nicely that there's no obvious right order that Phoenix should be implementing new features in, as we have had people saying physics must come first, multiplayer must come first, and ADK must come first. So it seems a bit silly to declare that Phoenix's business model is off just because they didn't adopt your own personal priorities. I'm sure they get a lot more direct requests than requests via RC forums, so they're probably in the best position to know what the most requested features are.

You just learned to fly and you can already claim that phoenix has the best physics of all sims?

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6248394&postcount=49
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6272659&postcount=11
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349492&postcount=92
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6593935&postcount=12
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6644752&postcount=483
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6686567&postcount=541
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6797982&postcount=603

The first post was made October 19th 2006 over 5 months ago and there are many more. I suggest you get your facts straight since you obviously don't have a clue.

[Tetley]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...94&postcount=49
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...59&postcount=11
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...92&postcount=92
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...35&postcount=12
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...2&postcount=483
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...7&postcount=541
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...2&postcount=603

The first post was made October 19th 2006 over 5 months ago and there are many more. I suggest you get your facts straight since you obviously don't have a clue.

Ade i think you have a stalker!!!

Lol

Jim.

[bilboa]

I suggest you get your facts straight since you obviously don't have a clue.

*plonk*

[Ichigo]

Ade i think you have a stalker!!!

Lol

Jim.

Shows how ignorant you are of the search function....don't give up your day job.

[Harv]

Shows how ignorant you are of the search function....don't give up your day job.

*plonk*

[Ade]

here we go again.

ajenkins might be a noob but hes right...

have you looked at the phoenix website recently?

Ade

[LouieB]

Hmmmm. it seems the Ichigo and ChrisE are more correct. The current announcement simply shows that Phoenix is being pandered to the 'gameboy' set first. On top of that I don't doubt for one moment that the currently FREE PhoenixNet service will one day become a PAY service.

While the Phoenix FanBoys will all gather to support PhoenixRC the truth remains that this is a simulator and not a game. Sim users expect items such as physics, fields and models to be the focus and not the 'gameboy' aspect that has been built into PhoenixRC.

It is my sincere hope that the 1.04 release lives up to its billing. I have not use PhoenixRC in 4 or so weeks because it fails to be any more than a good piece of shareware that I paid too much money for. Version 1.04 will be the determining factor for whether I sell Phoenixrc or not.

[Allan Waterfall]

Can someone tell me the point of multiplayer in a sim?
There must be a good reason because a lot of people have requested it,but personally I don't know what happens in multiplayer mode apart from having other people online at the same time.

Are two or more helis up in the air at the same time,will it end up as some sort of dogfighting?

Might seem silly questions,but I really have no idea of what to expect.


Allan

[Ade]

you can spectate other pilots, talk to them, watch their stick movements. you can show them your skills and ask for advice back.

i have been doing this by sending recordings back of forth but its slow and long winded its so quick to switch from spectate and back. There really is nothing like having an exerienced eye to point out where your going wrong.

Ade

[Allan Waterfall]

Thanks Ade....that explains it.

Allan

[Shinigami]

Can someone tell me the point of multiplayer in a sim?
There must be a good reason because a lot of people have requested it,but personally I don't know what happens in multiplayer mode apart from having other people online at the same time.

Are two or more helis up in the air at the same time,will it end up as some sort of dogfighting?

Might seem silly questions,but I really have no idea of what to expect.


Allan

Well I just saw firsthand the benefit of multiplayer. Found a session created by Ade and joined in. He gave me and another flier all kinds of tips. We could watch him demonstrate a maneuver, and use the transmitter display to see his control inputs. Then we would give it a go and get professional critique ;). Thanks again, Ade!

I was a bit skeptical about the whole thing at first, but this multiplayer update is really cool. A few bugs, but I'm sure they will iron them out. Minimal lag too, even with some of us on different sides of the pond. Overall, it's a lot of fun to fly and chat with other people, but now I think its biggest benefit might be as a training tool. Great job guys, can't wait for 1.4 now!