12' Tele- Build Thread?

[diver don]

Well I went and did it.
Hobby Lobboy's "20% OFF SALE" pulled me in and I ordered the 12" Telemaster and Axi 5330/24.
Just moved in to my new digs in NC and this build will be the first in my new 20X40 shop.

If there's an interest I'll do a build thread on this big boy.

Your responses will determine if I do.

Anyone else out there want to do a duel build so we can play off of each other?

DD

[darb21]

I'd love to see the pics of the progres... Doubt I'd ever get that thing cause its so big, but would be cool none the less! :)
-Brad

[cars4fun2001]

I am in. I have been Eyeing one for a while. I have a motor that I think will pull it but dont know. I have never built anything that big. what do you think 1600 watts on a 20x11 apce get it moving? the really sick part is I want some floats to fit it.

Mike

[diver don]

A rough look on MotoCalc is showing about 1500W on 9cell LiPo with a 20X10 on an Axi 5330/24.
Looks like it's about 55W/# which looks reasonable to me.

I may also look at A123 on this guy also.

They start ripping out my kitchen Monday so it's going to be a few weeks till I start so you have time to get ready.

Don

[darb21]

...the really sick part is I want some floats to fit it.

Mike

OMG, how freaking cool would that be... thats an awesome idea!

:D

[cars4fun2001]

well My birthday is 4-6 I am really thinking about asking for the 12' tele and some floats. Personally when I biuld one it will be running emoli's, Welgard C6362-10, and a Welgard 70A Brushless ESC. probable 8s2p or 8s3p. bp hobbies says Zinger 20x8 28.9V 46.6A Approx. 14 lbs 1347W 5950 45.1 mph but with the apce 20x11 it should give me a built more punch plus the watts are up. guess i could go to a 22x8 for more thrust and less pitch speed.

Mike and please do a tread on the build

[diver don]

[QUOTE=cars4fun2001]well My birthday is 4-6 I am really thinking about asking for the 12' tele and some floats.

Mike,
This HL 20% Off Sale is for March. This equates to $70 off the price of the kit. Couldn't pass that up.

Floats, no problem.
Two canoes and you have it licked.

DD

[Accu157]

Oh yeah, I'd be interested. :) And after I'm done watching you build it, I'll commit the dimensions to memory and build my own from hand drawn plans by scratch. :D


...many years from now. :rolleyes:

[Griffin]

I don't have the slightest interest in the 12' telemaster. BUT if you would post some pictures and build info, I would greatly enjoy reading about it. Please do a build thread! -Steve

[steve1814]

Heck Yeah! subscribe, subscribe, subscribe.

And go with the A123's That is was is going in my H9 cub and my 6ft TM. I think they'll be great!

Steve

[diver don]

OK, Here we go.

Just a little background.

We moved down here to NC from Jersey last December.( The move from hell)
Remodeled the kitchen.( Needed the cabinets for the shop).
Remodeled the den.
Painted the interior of the whole house.
New floors.
AND A HERNIA OPERATION.
Got the shop somewhat set up.
Now I'm ready to relax and start on this guy.

I'll post the specs and setup tomorrow but I wanted to see If I could post these pix.

[Griffin]

Don, that is one big pile of lumber!
If a guy can unpack all that and then post about how he can finally "relax" and build, I'd say he has the right attitude.

Your pics posted well--keep em coming. -Steve

[AmpAce]

I'm watching this one too!

At least you have room to build it, and your shop looks neat. Just wait until the balsa dust starts piling up on that HD reciever, though!

I'm building a 12' Cub, but my workspace is tiny, cramped, cluttered, and a disaster area! Just ask Steve.

If this big Tele flies anything like my Senior ARF, it will be a delight.

Best of luck on your build, and thanks for sharing, I haven't seen a thread on one of these yet.

AmpAce

[diver don]

Specs for this bird:
Wing Span: 143.5"
90" Long
Wing Area: 3050 SI
Projected weight: 23#

AXI 5330/24
CC Phonix 85HV
UBEC
A-123: 10s2P4600 or 11S2P4600
Prop: 20x10

[diver don]

This is the center section of the wing.
This bolts to the top of the fuselage and the two wings are bolted into the slots.

DD

[diver don]

Completed center wing section and firewall with modified motor mount.

[Evan D]

Don explain your drive components, NICADs? what was the cost of the drive components. I've been interested in electrifying this;

[diver don]

Evan,
The batteries are A-123 ,out of Dewalt 36V power tool packs.
The motor calls for 10 cell Lipos so I have 6+4 and 7+4 so I can try two10 cell or 11 cell packs in parallel.
They are 2300Ma so I'll have 4600ma.

Cost around $110 for a 10 cell pack on E-Bay.
The motor was a "20% Off Sale" at Hobby Lobby. About $165.

The Castle 85 HV was a $30 off at Tower Hobby. Forget the price.

I may have numbers on the motor this week if I can get a set up to run it up.

Any more questions give me a yell or PM me.

Don

[Evan D]

You got some good deals there....

[diver don]

The wing in rough finish.

DD

[wrenwright]

Here are some videos of the 12' Telemaster that I took at SEFF '06. You can see the 8' and 6' versions flying around too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yS1PZGBYf0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWH2SwaJ5jg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ9lxX5PuVA

[TRP]

I've seen the 12 footer on HobbyLobby several times and seriously wanted to pick it up. I've subscribed just so I can watch that pile of balsa slabs turn into a beauty of a plane.

The center section chord was 18.25" - correct? What's the full chord including the leading edge, ailerons, etc? 21" ?

How big is the built up horizontal stabilizer? Span? Chord?

Ted

[diver don]

Ted,
Your real close. Full cord is 21.5"

Stab is 50.5"x14.

Just ordered a new computer. This one is either dead or dying so my pix's are slow in coming.
Once the new one gets here, next week,and is set up, this guy goes in for a tune-up and then straight to the shop.
Always wanted to do graphing on these set ups in real time.

Hope this MS Vista is not a pain in the rear.

WW,
Good looking bird.
Hope mine turns out half as nice.

Don

[wrenwright]

Now when is someone going to get around to building a 16' version???

[diver don]

Now when is someone going to get around to building a 16' version???

I'm sure someone is thinking about it.

What was your power set-up?

Don

[TRP]

That is soooo awesome. Such a simple design, yet the shear size of it makes it just awesome.

Can't wait to see it come together.

Ted

[Tim Wolff]

Ted,
Hope this MS Vista is not a pain in the rear.

Don

You're doomed. And I'm an I.S. professional and a Microsoft Fan. For perspective Windows 2000 rocked when drivers for gaminng hardware appeared. XP was "it" from day one :D

Figure out how to turn off User Access Control (UAC) before you want the smash the PC.

BTW: That wing is huge! I opened the box on the Senior ARF I bought during the last Thanksgiving sale and thought "What have I done?" I can't imagine how massive 12 ft appears in the flesh.

[wrenwright]

Don,

Mine is going to be powered with an Astro 60 cobalt motor (11-turn) and a Modelairtech belt drive unit 3:1 with 36 cells. I'm planning on using a 24x12 APC prop.

I've given some thought to a 16' Telemaster using composite construction. If I were to build one, I would probably use a 27" APC prop and an FAI wind Astro motor with some sort of belt drive.

[Evan D]

Now when is someone going to get around to building a 16' version???

Why 16'?

[TRP]

I see what you are saying.

15' would be a 25% scale up of the 12' version.
16' would be a 33.3333333% scale up of the 12' version. Not a very clean number to scale up from.

T

[Evan D]

I just wondered why 16, I fly a 16' Quaker...

<----- in my avitar....

[wrenwright]

I see what you are saying.

15' would be a 25% scale up of the 12' version.
16' would be a 33.3333333% scale up of the 12' version. Not a very clean number to scale up from.

T

16' because it would be 200% of the Senior Telemaster. Pretty easy to scale from actually as long as there is a Kinko's nearby....

[Evan D]

Ahhh.... so simple, thanks

[wrenwright]

Now I just need to cut some wing cores...

[ram3500-rcu]

Had one of these years ago. i think I used something like 8 rolls of covering. They fly very well and very much like a full scale high wing. I had a bomb bay in mine for toilet paper drops. Lots of fun and with the large wing (very easy to see), I could get to some good altitudes upwind for the drops. Looking forward to seeing your progress.

[TRP]

Does the Sr. Telemaster have an airfoil empenage?

[Tim Wolff]

Does the Sr. Telemaster have an airfoil empenage?

Yep.

[TRP]

I did not know that. Very cool.

T

[diver don]

Had one of these years ago. i think I used something like 8 rolls of covering. They fly very well and very much like a full scale high wing. I had a bomb bay in mine for toilet paper drops. Lots of fun and with the large wing (very easy to see), I could get to some good altitudes upwind for the drops. Looking forward to seeing your progress.

I'm looking at these plans again and again and I see NO mention of right thrust offset.
They show , what looks like, about 2 deg down thrust, but no right.

Did yours have any?

Thoughts from all.

PS: New computer comes tomorrow so I'll be up and posting pixs or quiet as a mouse?

Don

[wrenwright]

I think the Sr. Telemaster used about 2-degrees right thrust. I would have to check it to verify that number. I am certain that it did have some degree of right thrust.

[diver don]

My Sr does have about 2 deg right.

I was just woundering if at some point(size) you forget the right thrust and just deal with it with the rudder.

Don

[wrenwright]

Don,

Not sure about that one, but If it were me I would definitely add a couple of degrees of right rudder.

What size prop are you going to be using?

[Tipover]

Don-

Very nice project.

You should be fine with 10s A123 with your motor. You may need to prop up to 22x10 to get to 1500 watts, although you will have very little voltage compression with 2p packs. I doubt you'll have a prop clearance issue at any rate.

I run a Hacker A50-L 16 turn, 20 x 10 APCe on 10s1p A123
and pull 1600 watts full power. The beauty of 10s is using the Dewalt packs right out of the plastic case unmodified.



Kevin

[diver don]

Well I'm on Vista and the new computer.
Took me 2 hours to get signed in on here. Love this.

Hope to have some pix tomorrow.

We do have progress.

DD

[Odysis]

I was just woundering if at some point(size) you forget the right thrust and just deal with it with the rudder.

Don

Don, if it helps, the full scale single's I've flown have thrust offsets as well. PC-9/A (250w/lb :D ) has 2deg right, 2deg down, so I'd assume if it's good for smaller and bigger planes, this size would like it to.

Hope it helps!

[TRP]

The full scale singles I've flown have some offset, but the majority of the offset is in the vertical stab.

T

[diver don]

Thanks guys.

Just found out the second box with my computer parts went to ND.
Close to NC.
Should arrive Monday.

Took my old one in for a tune up and then it's out to the shop with it.

Thanks again,

Don

[TRP]

Any news on this build or did Don's computer to 10 toes up?

T

[diver don]

T,
If I had a choice between Vista and a sharp stick in the eye I'm not sure which way I would go.

I'm still having problems downloading pix and just got my old computer set up in the shop today.

Update(verbal):

That pile of wood that we saw in the beginning is down to three pieces of 1/4x1/2x36"
All the basic parts are built.

I'll go out now and see what I can do with some pix.

Wish me luck.

Don

[Griffin]

Wow, that's looking fantastic!

Forgive me if I missed something, but is that the stock cowling? It looks absolutely beautiful.
-Steve

[diver don]

Steve,
Nope.
Happened to see it at my local Hobby Shop before I finished the nose.
I think it was a special order that wasn't picked up.

A slight mod on the nose and it fit like a glove.

I thought it dressed the girl up a bit.

Don

[Ron Williams]

I hope you do something with the "windshield" to go with that cowl.

[TRP]

I am amazed. While the Telemaster isn't a marvel in technical building - to render that huge pile of wood in to a well framed skeleton in just under 45 days is impressive. All the while doing battle with some of Micro$ofts finest crap.

Nice work!

Ted
p.s.
Yeah - I'll second that notion about the windshield. Buy a sheet of K&S plastic and make a quick windscreen for that big bad boy. Tho' - if I'm not mistaken, you can see the 'wind screen' in photos 2 and 3, just sitting a top the wing.

[diver don]

I'll have to give some thought to the windscreen because that is also the access hatch to the batts so it has to be removable.

I'm also waiting for a set of Robart Cub Gear that's made for the Bulsa USA 1/3 scale Cub. They are going to require a mod because they are wider by about 2" at the fuselage.

Don

[steve1814]

I'll have to give some thought to the windscreen because that is also the access hatch to the batts so it has to be removable.

I'm also waiting for a set of Robart Cub Gear that's made for the Bulsa USA 1/3 scale Cub. They are going to require a mod because they are wider by about 2" at the fuselage.

Don

Don,

Contact William Wallace here. (http://www.piperj3gear.com/) He custom makes J3 cub gear and I am sure he will make you a MADE TO YOUR SPECS set to fit the TM. I have a set on my H9 cub and they are great! & at $120.00 shipped they are MUCH cheaper that the robarts...

[diver don]

Steve,
Many thanks for the suggestion but I have them on special order"no refund".

Wish I had mentioned it sooner.

Thanks again,

Don

[Kwesdog]

Signing on.

I have this one sitting in the box still. I have so many ARF projects I need to finish so I can clear my shop for this beast.

Harry

[diver don]

It IS a beast.

My shop is 20x40 and I still bang into things when I move it.

DD

[wrenwright]

A Telemaster's appearance is somewhat improved with a cowling. I'm sure it helps with aerodynamics as well. Here's a photo of a composite Sr. Telemaster with a custom made fiberglass cowling that a buddy made a mold/plug for.http://www.wwright.rchomepage.com/John's%20Beautiful%20Telemaster%20Close-up.JPG

[Griffin]

That's nice wrenwright.

Don--Middle ground between adding a clear windshield and the stock flat balsa would be adding a bit of curve to the stock one. In the air, silver or black windows don't look half bad. I've done that on smaller planes (well, most anyone talking to you is talking about smaller planes ;) ) -Steve

[diver don]

That's nice wrenwright.

Don--Middle ground between adding a clear windshield and the stock flat balsa would be adding a bit of curve to the stock one. In the air, silver or black windows don't look half bad. I've done that on smaller planes (well, most anyone talking to you is talking about smaller planes ;) ) -Steve

Your suggestion is the direction I was leaning towards.

Going to do some preliminary mock-ups tomorrow.

Thanks for the suggestion.

WR:
Congrats to your friend. Nice work.



Don

[Ron Williams]

It's not a Giant Telemaster, only a Senior, but here's another approach:

[diver don]

Thanks Ron,

Another good suggestion.

We will see tomorrow,or 3AM if I get up early.

Don

[Ron Williams]

Here's another, much simpler:

[AmpAce]

Don, for what it's worth, I would go for a transparent, (clear) windshield so that I could mount a camera or camcorder behind it to take video out through it. Sort of a pilot's eye view.

I recently tried this with my 60" Super Cub, using a small digicam that also takes video. For the first try, it wasn't too bad. If I can get rid of some of the vibration, and do a few tweaks, I think it may be a success. It's pretty cool to see the view out through the windshield of your own r/c plane. :eek:

With something as big as the Giant Tele, you should be able to pack any kind of camera equipment you would want in there, and it wouldn't know the difference! :cool:

Very nice build, and thread, and I'm amazed at how fast and nicely that thing went together. You will be flying her soon, I'm sure.

Will be watching! :D

AmpAce

[Kwesdog]

Question about this plane for you all that are more versed in power set-ups than myself.

When I bought this plane I had intended to use it for aero tow with the sail plane club I am in.

Problem is many of the scale sailplanes these guys fly are in the 40+ pound range. Now seeing this plane I dont think the airframe would have many problems dragging a heavy sailplane but I think a power system capable of dragging it would be.

The club has been using some 33% stuff to haul their planes but these are all way over powered with gassers on the front. Do you guys think its worth trying to set this tele up to tackle these 40 pound monsters or should I leave it for the gassers and just tow the small stuff.

If you think I can do it what power system do you think would be able to handle it with out spending 2 grand on it. Also it would be nice to use A123 cells just for the fact that I can charge them fast to get more pulls in a day.

Harry

[diver don]

Here is where I am now.

It has to be removable for batt access.

Don

[Ron Williams]

Harry -

if you go with A123s, make sure you have a separate Rx pack, not a BEC. The A123s drop off at the end of their discharge cycle so steeply you could lose a lot of plane very quickly if you couldn't bring it in dead stick.

[Kwesdog]

Oh yeah the seperate rx would be a must. We are flying off of sod fields that are pretty vast with not too many ditches so a dead stick isnt an issue other than the workout I get walking the plane back.

Power system is key though. Need to be able to pull a 40 pound plane that wags around alittle and still be able to maintain very positive control without wagging all over the place.

I ask because I dont know if this has been done before that I know of (towing big with huge electric power). At least not with sail planes this large. Smaller sail planes no problem but its more fun and looks really cool towing a huge scale sailplane thats alot bigger than the 12 foot tele.

My concern isnt so much for my tele because I can just punch the sailplane off and power out of theres trouble. The sailplane guy on the other hand might have trouble.

I am following Dons build and look forward to the flight report and follow up when its finished because I want to be able to hit the ground running when I start my build.

Harry

[diver don]

Harry
Tell you one thing.
When I run this guy up in the shop I almost blow down the wall so there's going to be a lot of turbulence behind it.
I want to stay with 10 cell A-123 packs so I'm still playing with props.
Looks like I might end up with a 22x8 to get the watts up and the pitch speed down.

40# is a lot of plane.

I'll keep you informed.

Don

[Kwesdog]

Heres a quote from one of the guys at my club when I approached them about this.

"Hi Harry. From what little I know, effective electric tugs take a ton of batteries that are very expensive and give about 3 tows before

They need to be re charged. They need to be huge, so you ALMOST need a gas generator to charge them fast.

A more lightly powered telemaster might tow up the 3 meter Ka6’s that a lot of folks have and that would be a very nice

Ability to have, so if you really want to do this, I personally would welcome it.

You may not know this, but our first tug was a telemaster with a G62 on it and it was a real squirrel to fly. It was not nearly

As stable as the Big Hots that we replaced the telemaster with. Later we over powered the Big Hots and retired it as well.

Presently using 1/3 scale CAP with 95CC engine and It still is NOT enough for the biggest birds. (I believe the telemaster they are reffering too in the post is a Sr and not the giant also.)


For myself, my lightest plane is well over 10 pounds and up to over 40 pounds.

GaS IS the only realistic solution for most of us die hards. I think though, that there would be interest in the guys who

Want to do this on the small scale and not so much money, ie DAW KA’6 etc."

Not only do I want to do the aero tow for fun but I also want to prove them wrong as far as gas being the "only realistic solution". Like I said earlier I think this would be a first to try this with big electric but motor power might be an issue. I also wanna make these naysayers keep their mouths quiet about electrics darnit.


Harry

[Bill Hawthorne]

Harry..you might want to look these over for power ideas.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140475
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257227

Bill

[diver don]

First, I would like to take a moment to apologize because this thread is sure not a "Build Thread"
With remodeling the new house, the new computer, and the wonderful Vista operating system things just got out of hand.

That said here are some pix if the completed cockpit and the Dimension Engineering landing lights with my $3 flashlight reflector.

Don

[skypan12]

This is an intresting thread, I too was looking at one of these or the 1/3 scale super cub from BUSA.

I was wondering if having flaps on this big boy would make any diffrence in flying, has anyone ever seen flaps on one? or is this just a stupid idea on this model?

Jeff

[whizzard]

- -I was wondering if having flaps on this big boy would make any diffrence in flying, has anyone ever seen flaps on one? or is this just a stupid idea on this model? Jeff

Jeff

I am on my second Telemaster but have not tried flaps.

The owners manual shows how to make flaps from the wing trailing edge. You just cut the trailing edge from near the fuselage out to the aerolons, loosen the covering on the bottom of the flaps, sand or cut back at about 45* on the bottom of the flaps and then reseal the covering.

Hinge the flaps at the top and attach a control horn. The wing already has servo mount wells built in for the flap servos so all you have to do is cut the covering away like you do with the aerolon servos, screw the servos in and make a control rod and you have flaps.

Flaps are supposed to allow the Telemaster to slow down to a craw and would be nice when you are trying to make it a glider in a thermal or slow it down to land.

It is a floater without the flaps and can land backwards in a 15 mph wind so you might be able to do harrier landings in 10 mph winds.:D (Humm- - - I might retrofit my Telemaster wing:D .)

Bill

[skypan12]

Bill,
That is nice to know that they give you the option in the plans and tell you how to do it.

Not that they are needed or anything but I think it would be nice to play with them on this kind of a plane, I like low and slow and stuff like that.

Jeff

[Ron Williams]

Bill -

Which Telemaster are you talking about? Sounds like an ARF version to me, but the Giant is only available as a kit.

[jrbackus]

Bill -

Which Telemaster are you talking about? Sounds like an ARF version to me, but the Giant is only available as a kit.
I'm pretty sure the ARF Senior Tele has those instructions, it doesn't make sense to "reseal the covering" if you're building the airplane from a kit.
Also, I really think that if a person has enough building skill to put together the Giant Telemaster kit, I have a feeling they can figure out how to put a couple flaps on pretty easily...

Anyone out there have any opinions which would be better for a Telemaster (Giant or Senior), Flaps or Flaperons??? I'm going to be starting on a Senior Tele pretty soon here and i'm going to have separate flaps but if I do that, is there any reason to use flaperons???

--Jeremy

[whizzard]

Bill -

Which Telemaster are you talking about? Sounds like an ARF version to me, but the Giant is only available as a kit.



Sorry I was thinking I was on the Telemaster Electro forum.:o

It was the Telemaster Electro that I was talking about.

I am following this 12' Telemaster Kit build because I may decide to build one sometime since I love my Electro.

:o :( :mad:

I still think using flaps would be a cool thing to do with the 12 foot-er and it should decrease the length of runway needed to fly and land this SUPER GIANT Plane:D

I am really considering doing the flap retrofit on my Electro.:D

Bill

[diver don]

Well boys and girls things have slowed down for a while.
My shop is 20x40 but it's not AC'ed and it was 116 inside today with every fan in world running.

May get up around 3 and get a few hours in tomorrow morning.

DD

[TRP]

gah! 116? Sounds like you guys are getting our weather pattern and we've got someone elses. It's usually high 80s / low 90s here this time of year. Yesterday and today - we'd be lucky if it broke 75. I'm not complaining - it's just the accompanying wind really sucks. I flew to Corning, CA on Sunday and had a 23kt quartering cross wind. My family was there to greet me - I though for sure the landing looked like a 2 bit rookie. They all said it was GREAT compared to the guy before me. If mine looked great - I'm glad I didn't see his mess. ;)

[diver don]

23 kt!

Guess you had your tail hung out a little.

Congrats on the landing.

Don

[wrenwright]

Yeah, the weather down here is really stinking.

I was going to do some work on my 12-footer, but it was just too hot in the shop. I can't wait for winter....

[TRP]

Yeah.. we came in pretty sideways up there in Corning! A pilot who'd just landed alerted us to the stiff cross wind. The wind was more quartering than crosswinds, but still pretty gusty. If memory serves the winds were at 160 and the runway is 14. I'm used to flying a Citabria 7ECA, so when I kicked the rudder to bring the big ole' porky 172M around - the tail didn't swing quite as fast as I'd have liked and we had a wee bit of a side load. No worries. A little chatter of the tires and we're good.

The landing in Chico was dead on into the wind. 20kts - to gusts of 26 straight down the numbers. We had 20 of flaps in on final and the picture looked really odd. The airport just wasn't coming up like it should. I was slightly adjusting the throttle in and out, tweaking the pitch to figure out what was up, but it just wasn't right. It was then that I looked at the GPS and saw that our ground speed was only 42kts! Airspeed read 80kts the whole way in (kept the airspeed up because of the wind) - but the wind just kept us hanging out there on short final like a kite. Our glide slope was more vertical than horizontal. A quick blast of throttle helped us settle onto the runway with out a hard plop. We were just making a stop for some fuel and a call for destination weather and we were off.

When we got back towards the bay area - it looked like the place was socked in with cloud cover as far as the eye could see. We had to climb to 7500 feet to call flight service and make sure we'd gotten the right weather info before we had departed up in Chico. Sure enough - they said our destination had a ceiling reported as scattered at 3k. We were a bit out and still had to shoot out to the south end of the valley to find our way to the edge of the clouds (see attached photo). Turns out flight service was spot on. Our airport was pretty clear when we landed, but by the time we'd tied down and unloaded the plane scattered @ 3k was becoming broken 2!. Flight Service rules. :)

It was a great day of flying for sure, but the weather kept us on our toes.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled build thread. ;)

Ted

[diver don]

We're hitting 103 today so your pix look nice and COOL and are a welcome diversion.

Don

[diver don]

Well, I got my Dimension Engineering Landing Lights installed.

Reinforced the back side with FG.

Here's a pix of my shop along with my latest addition.

DD

[Tim Wolff]

I want one of those signs! :)

[punkrockd]

nice pic of mt diablo ( i'm from walnut creek ).

i like the lights. very cool. if only i had a shop. jealous, .only a little. :)

[diver don]

I want one of those signs! :)

Here you go.

www.historicaviation.com
Search: Area 51

I think it was $15.
The weathered look is great.

DD

[Tim Wolff]

Here you go.

www.historicaviation.com
Search: Area 51

I think it was $15.
The weathered look is great.

DD

Who would have guessed? Just buying it off the internet dosen't sound like much of an adventure though. :)

[diver don]

Who would have guessed? Just buying it off the internet dosen't sound like much of an adventure though. :)

My camos were in the wash that week, and anyway, I've had enough adventure in my life.

You never meet my ex-wife.

The best thing about NC is that she lives in Maryland.

DD

[Tim Wolff]

My camos were in the wash that week, and anyway, I've had enough adventure in my life.

You never meet my ex-wife.

The best thing about NC is that she lives in Maryland.

DD

LOL!

[Culver10]

Keep up the great work! Subscribing

Phil

[BoneDoc]

Awesome work Don, keep it up.

[TRP]

Hey Gang, (off topic)

I went to order the Area 51 sign - and they are backordered. :(

Ted

[diver don]

Ted,
Mine was back ordered when I ordered mine.

They may have them made to order.

Think it took about 3 weeks to come in.

BTW; The Tele is done but I have 2 bathrooms gutted and about 50' a Wanes coating to put up one piece at a time soooooooo.

In a few weeks I'll post some pix and do a wrap up.

Don

[Tim Wolff]

Ted,
Mine was back ordered when I ordered mine.

They may have them made to order.


Don

Or maybe stolen to order?? :) I need it to have a story behind it. Or at least a compelling lie that can be passed down to future generations.

[TRP]

I'm going with Tim's idea - Stolen to order. :)

Ted

[diver don]

Just keep your head down.

Don

[minitelemaster]

So how'd she fly? I need pics!!!