Reflex does NOT allow rotor diameter < 0.5m ??

[alessio70]

it seems that reflex does not allow a value less than 0.5m for the "Main rotor diameter" inside "Physical parameters" (for helis)... anyone can confirm that? and knows the reason? perhaps this could explain why I can't find on the net a micro heli model for reflex (like mini zoom)...


alessio

[Ade]

having seen the fun that phoenix has getting the micros to perform right in can understand why :-)

Ade

[alessio70]

having seen the fun that phoenix has getting the micros to perform right in can understand why :-)

Ade

I've already read some enthusiastic comments/reviews about phoenix... (and also read that it has less than half the price of reflex!!)... but don't see on their site what planes/helis it's able to simulate... in particular do you know what micro helis are implemented at the moment?


P.S. from what I can see from their site it seems a good product and appreciate a lot the development of a resource kit for letting the users make their own airplane/helis/scenery... and hope it will be released soon... but the thing that I really dislike is again the choice of not releasing a working (even limited) demo...

P.P.S the minimum system requirements on their site are not exactly for all :) 128mb of ram for the video card.... after all reflex work ok on a laptop with 16mb video card...

[Allan Waterfall]

On their web site look under features and click on the aircraft tab,they're all there.

Allan

[alessio70]

On their web site look under features and click on the aircraft tab,they're all there.

Allan

thanks :) I've missed them when I've visited that page before :P


alessio

[alessio70]

ok taken a look at the heli on that page but there is no description... can't say which of them are micro helis... and don't know if they are model of existing rc models or not... someone that already own the sim could tell me something about the micro helis that come with it?

[Allan Waterfall]

When you actually use the sim and choose a model to fly it gives a brief description of what it is.There is a model in there that I think is the equivelant of something like a Twister CP micro heli.

I've got a Dragonus and I downloaded the Trex 450 as the nearest I could get to it.I've not seen any other sims,but Phoenix seems pretty good to me and the price includes a lead that plugs straight into a JR or Spektrum TX.It could be that you can specify a different lead,but I'm not sure on that.

Allan

[bilboa]

ok taken a look at the heli on that page but there is no description... can't say which of them are micro helis... and don't know if they are model of existing rc models or not... someone that already own the sim could tell me something about the micro helis that come with it?

There's only one micro heli in Phoenix, the Spark model. There's also a training variant of the Spark. By Micro I mean something the size of a Blade CP. Oh, there's also a coaxial heli now.

Note that in addition to the helis on the Aircraft section of the website, there are a few more on the Downloads page which have been provided as add-ins.

[alessio70]

thanks :)

[Ade]

can i suggest you ask phoenix questions in the phoenix threads or start a new one please i have gotten flack before :-)

Ade

[Allan Waterfall]

can i suggest you ask phoenix questions in the phoenix threads or start a new one please i have gotten flack before :-)

Ade

Hmmm......wonder who introduced Phoenix into this thread :D

Allan

[Ade]

relavent to topic tho :-)

Ade

[alessio70]

for the ones who are interested in this argument I have had a reply from reflex about the 0.5 rotor diameter limit saying that due to the weight and low dimensions the flight physic of those micro helis is totally different to the bigger ones and that they are doing quite alot basic research work for implenting this type of helicopters and that it's pretty sure that in the near future they will be able to develope models with realistic flight physics in this dimensions...

now I'm curious about how phoenix handle this issue... someone could tell me what is the rotor diameter of the micro heli that comes at the moment with phoenix (the spark model)? sorry about asking again about this issue but I'm really interested in micro helis (or perhaps sub micro... I mean helis like mini zoom/gaui ep100 that has a 34cm rotor diameter... for the ones who want to know more about it there is a very very long thread here (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=500589) )

alessio

[Ade]

the spark is 0.55m dia and took a lot to get right. the syth and the trex 450 are a bit bigger but took a lot of fettling to get right.

one thing tho... why would you want to use the sim for the super small stuff? i cant believe anybody would seriously try to learn to fly on one and they are small enough to fly in your computer room! so why fly the sim when you can fly the real thing?

maybe we should ask phoenix to do a picoz.

remember guys the sim is supposed to be a learning tool...

Ade

[bilboa]

the spark is 0.55m dia and took a lot to get right. the syth and the trex 450 are a bit bigger but took a lot of fettling to get right.

one thing tho... why would you want to use the sim for the super small stuff? i cant believe anybody would seriously try to learn to fly on one...

You may not believe it, and you may be right that it's the hard way to go, but I would guess that in fact it's the most common way that people start with RC helis these days, based on the number of places that sell micro helis. You can still go through a bit of money and time replacing parts on a Blade CP or similar, so it makes sense to me to want to learn on a sim first.

[alessio70]

perfectly agree with ajenkins :) moreover not all of us have a large enough room... and I think that flying a heli like that in a small room require many many ours of simulation before...

and there are things that are very fun made with a sim that I'll probably never try in real life (unless I win lottery :) :p )

thanks for the info :)

[bilboa]

On looking back, I think Ade may have been talking about what are commonly referred to as sub-micro helis, i.e. smaller than 15" rotor span. I agree that not many people try to learn on those, and if that's what you meant Ade, I apologize for being argumentative. I do think based on forum posts and what's sold online that micro helis like the Spark in Phoenix, and fixed pitch helis around the same size, are probably the most common starting helis nowadays.

[Ade]

no doubt they out number sales of larger stuff however... i doubt many get as far as learning on them. a lot of the new guys here started off trying and failing to learn to fly micros sought help and ended up at our club to see what goes on then going the 50 route.

Ade