Refles XTR cable

[danfly]

Kids lost my XTR cable last summer.

I'm finally get around to installing Reflex simulator on a new machine and now cannot find the cable.

Can't seem to get any response/answers from the Reflex web site.

Do you guys know if this product will work? http://www.hobby-warehouse.com/rextrreca.html


also, will my Hitec will work with this sim?


Thanks

[Spidious]

Looks like it should work to me. Just be sure and get one that has the Hitec connection.
You might wait for more responses to your question first...Not sure which controllers will work with that flight simulator

[Ade]

unfortuanetly i doubt you will get much joy getting a new cable out of reflex its difficult to work out if its an illegal copy or not. the cable is the copyrite protection.

Ade

[wsn]

"Can't seem to get any response/answers from the Reflex web site."

Can't identify any communication on my servers. Did you use the correct emails?

"Kids lost my XTR cable last summer."

Check this:

http://www.reflex-sim.de/reflex-sim/shop/catalog/faqdesk_index.php?faqPath=53&language=en

and

http://www.reflex-sim.de/reflex-sim/shop/catalog/faqdesk_index.php?faqPath=11&language=en

In your words: What is the "cable"? Is it
1. just the cable going from interface to your radio or is it
2. the Interface WITH the cable?

1. That's what your link is offering and what you can buy without any problem - you can even make one yourselve.

2. That's too bad because it can't be replaced. There are several discussions here about the sense or nonsense of copy protection and I won't go for another argument here. Lost is gone, whether it's kids, dogs, moving, wife clean-up ...

[danfly]

I used the correct email address.




I'm was not aware of the security policies with cables but merely asking if I could replace a lost one. I have no ill intent just wanted to use the product.

As to your question about which "cable" is missing, I'm not sure as I had never installed the software nor examined the cable closely before it came up missing. I am not sure what's all involved with connecting the transmitter but assumed it was just a simple cable that ran from the back of the transmitter to USB or some other common connection standard to my dell computer. I spent a great deal of time on the Reflex web site and could not glean an understanding of what usual industry would call "accessories"

I feel like I have wasted a great deal on money on Reflex now.....

And who are you wsn? Are you the manufacturer? A distributor? Pardon my ignorance.

[Ade]

wsn is wolfgang a rather interesting person and owner of reflex.

Ade

[wsn]

The Reflex cames with the CD, the USB interface and a cable. As there is a babylonic variety of student sockets in the variety of radios, I carry 12 (!) different "cables" to be connected to the interface using CAT5-like plug. This way it's very easy and cheap for someone to connect 12 different radios to the interface, in case someone has 12 different radios or changes his favorite brand.

The purpose of the interface is written on the box. It's written in the end user licence agreement and it's written on my homepage. I have to admit, I'm in the r/c simulation since 1992, so copy protection for me is an ongoing subject since 15 years now. For someone new to this market, it seems to be pretty new but on the other hand, it's quite normal. Copy protection is in the news everyday.

[LouieB]

Danfly ...

I have Reflex XTR for my Optic 6, the cable you need has the copy protect/usb dongle on one end and a round din for the optic on the other. There has been some legal grief between Reflex and 'others' on supplying cables and Reflex have taken, as I recall users to court and demanded money. Be very careful of who you buy this cable from.

I have emailed Reflex several times in the past, they did get back, but it took something like 10 days for them to do so.

You can contact MRC, the U.S. distributor and see if they can help you.

http://www.modelrectifier.com/rc-products/flight-simulators.asp

[danfly]

thank you friend.

not trying to rip anyone off, just use the darned product.

Thank goodness the headset/earphone jack on my ipod is "standard"....

[LouieB]

Been on that boat before, know how it is.

Contact MRC and see if they can help, offer to send in the original CD's to prove ownership. Some companies will accept a photo copy of the disc. XTR is a large investment and to not be able to use it is upsetting I am sure.

You may have to take go the extra mile with MRC to prove you have the original copy but in the end it will be worth it.

[danfly]

Got things worked out and will be "hooked-up" in a few days!

And btw Wolfgang...I once was an intellectual property attorney now retired but onto newer and more fun pursuits so I know the challenges within the industry and have worked with them for 25 years. I am not a "market newbie" except as a consumer in the RC sim product line.

I know about the struggles many businesses have had trying to protect themselves with dongle firmware and now how the market has really rejected such practices. While courts may now rule in the favor of propriety, the market (the real voice) chooses its own path. (I have a cable now) The international laws/courts are correct in protecting the property rights of original creation and products however not all customers are violators of “use rights.”

You would benefit from treating all customers as friends, not taunt them with contempt and sarcasm. They are your future.

[IPFlyer]

Guess what the IP in my name means? :) Wolfgang runs his business by German law, which is fne (sorta - considering the EU position on software, but I digress). However the market is not all Teutonic. In the US it is perfectly legal to ... oh never mind. ;)

[wsn]

As I said, it had all been discussed long ago and I won't go for an argument again. As this is going to have a manufacturer bashing character again with a little nationalistic flavour, I invite all the usual people to this discussion.

Just a last hint from my side: As a retired intellectual property layer, you know the general basics of law. You were buying the product as an adult. You can read and while reading and spending money, you had all the chances of knowing what will happen to you when buying my product. I'm not hiding anything, I'm not exagurating at any point. All is written on my package, when installing the software and checking my homepage. "I didn't know" in court is the worst excuse you can have, especially as a retired lawyer. Nobody was forcing you to buy the product. The market is full of similar products. Buy G3. A US brand. Local breed. One of your own makes and full of understanding for your own people needs. And now tell me what happens if you loose the G3 interlink controller.

The discussion is over.

[danfly]

Man you got an attitude problem pal.

I'm not in nor forsee being in court Wolfgang to propose such an argument.

You don't get my point yet.

No body suggested you are hiding anything.

I bought the product on the internet following good advertising, they was no mention of propriety hardware at point of sale. Who would know to ask?

What's with the nationalism? I was not trying to buy "local breed" but simply purchase and use a sim product.

More than this discussion appears to be "over!"

In America, the most valued liberty is our freedom to express ourselves. And with regard your product I intend to do just that.

This post is the "red bars" on this thread.

[Malc C]

I bought the product on the internet following good advertising, they was no mention of propriety hardware at point of sale.


With all due respect I see that you have been a member of RC groups for around 18 - 19 months, and I suspect into RC longer than that. In that time you must of been to numerous shows, fairs, exhibitions and retailers where Reflex (or their agents) would be selling XTR. I do find it hard do grasp that anyone in this hobby for such time is not awear that the top three or four simulators use hardware to protect the products. However lets give you the benefit of doubt

Who would know to ask?

You said you purchased via the internet... so there is a good place to start. A search of this forum, the manufactures website, or simply ask "whats in the box" to a retailer and then compare this with what was on offer...

Sorry to say you've been stung by the vendor and now have some software that is useless as you don't have the required hardware. You could try contacting the vendor and request a refund.. however I'm sure the vendor will of known about the hardware requirement and will give 1001 reason why he won't refund the cash.

So what are your options, well it looks like the only option is to either purchase a full retail package, either XTR (probably doubtful given your run in with Wolfgang ;) ) or one of the other top sims. Or purchase a standard TX to PC interface that emulates a windows joystick, and download Clearview, or FMS and use that.

Man you got an attitude problem pal.

Yeah, sometimes Wolfgang can be headstrong... but he has (like a lot of other companies) invested a lot of money developing XTR and probably just as much to protect it. However, Reflex is the only company that I know of that has taken legal action against others selling "compatible" interfaces... maybe Knife edge do the same, but it doesn't reach the public forums.

I'm in no way connected with Reflex, just awear of the history and discussions that have taken place on this forum. Do a search for "copyright" in this forum and you'll probably understand why Wolfgang is so defensive when people come here and place a post asking for the hardware to make XTR work

Hope you manage to resolve your delemer soon