Sim for custom made Ducted fan based VTOL ?

[ashvani]

Hi All,

I am designing ducted fan based VTOL model. And wanted to fly it in simulation before going for actual flights. I have gone through a lot in this forum regarding best sim and in the end i found that Reflex is good for helicopters. What do you suggest for custom build VTOL models (which supports ducted fan)??

TIA

[ashvani]

In addition, i would like to fly T-Rex 600 and other fixed wing planes...

[skirtz]

Hi All,

I am designing ducted fan based VTOL model. And wanted to fly it in simulation before going for actual flights. I have gone through a lot in this forum regarding best sim and in the end i found that Reflex is good for helicopters. What do you suggest for custom build VTOL models (which supports ducted fan)??

TIA

There are number of VTOL models like Osprey for ClearView (http://www.rcflightsim.com/) on this (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=291233&ck=) site

I like how they fly and is quite hard to hover or transition to forward flight. They are not modeled after a particular VTOL rc design and may not fly as what you intent to fly, but you may try and see for yourself.

Stefan
http://rcflightsim.com

[Ade]

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Ade

[RickDelten]

Did anyone see the opening animation for the movie "Cars"? It played with the film in theatres and spins the hilarious tale of two competing street musicians vying for a little girl’s attention (and money).

[Ade]

oi... thats not a very nice thing to say. why do you think I PMed him?

Damn i cant do anything any more. Im trying my best to stay out of anything clearview related. cut me some slack.

its not like i even make any money out of phoenix.

Ade

[cozzykim]

Hiya,
Did anyone see the opening animation for the movie "Cars"? It played with the film in theatres and spins the hilarious tale of two competing street musicians vying for a little girl’s attention (and money).
A *teensy* bit unfair methinks. (speaking as a big CV fan and user)

This isn't a CV specific thread anyway, a general question was asked, therefore *anybody* should be able to offer their opinions and preferences IMHO

Stefan (rightly) hasn't complained, why should anyone else?

Edit:I like how they fly and is quite hard to hover or transition to forward flight
I disagree ;) they are not hard to hover and transition, but they're :censored: IMPOSSIBLE :D to land again, hats off to the real life pilots who have to fly these things with passengers :eek: Make sure you take a parachute fellas :D

Regards/respects

Kim

[othmanskn]

oi... thats not a very nice thing to say. why do you think I PMed him?

Damn i cant do anything any more. Im trying my best to stay out of anything clearview related. cut me some slack.

its not like i even make any money out of phoenix.

Ade

There is nothing wrong with self-promotion if it is true.

The best for VTOL RC is Clearview(30 dollars).

Other RC are Preflight(50 dollars).

I'm not sure if Phoenix and Reflex have VTOL. These are better RC simulators but they don't support VTOL as at this moment.

You may like to consider X-plane(50 dollars) which has excellent physics for general flying. It even has a good planemaker. Which is both a 3d graphic program, as well as plane parameter input, with real feedback for animations.
It has a few models of RC planes make by its users, in www.x-plane.org

In fact I am most interested in designing an STOL RC plane with vectored thrust ducted fan. In fact busy with designing a good one. X-plane is the better choice because it allows me to simulate the airfoil for every control surfaces as sell as all props, and even the ducts, I believe.

Please share your experiments.

[Ade]

phoenix has Vtol

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1226&cat=500

however i doubt a tilt rotor will really simulate a vectored thrust aicraft with puffer jets.

things like air recirculation, Slow throttle response. Vectored thrust will fly quit differently. take a harrier for instance it has 4 small nozzles which produce a narrow but very high speed air flow. a tilt rotor is more like a chinook producing 2 massive slow moving columns of air.

i am really interested to know how your model handles in the hover I trust your going to use gyros on the elevator and aileron?

Ade

[othmanskn]

phoenix has Vtol

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1226&cat=500

however i doubt a tilt rotor will really simulate a vectored thrust aicraft with puffer jets.

things like air recirculation, Slow throttle response. Vectored thrust will fly quit differently. take a harrier for instance it has 4 small nozzles which produce a narrow but very high speed air flow. a tilt rotor is more like a chinook producing 2 massive slow moving columns of air.

i am really interested to know how your model handles in the hover I trust your going to use gyros on the elevator and aileron?

Ade

How does Phoenix handle VTOL? Is it like a heli? No wonder it does not produce jets, but there should be no problem in converting it to jets.

For real VTOL, it must be equipped with gyros, just like RC Helis but since there are a few RC helis that are not equipped with gyros, it should be possible to fly VTOL without gyros but it should require lots of skill and fast reflex.

I personally saw a demo of about 65mm ducted fan that has claimed thrust of 1 kg, and it is very light. It is a jetway brushless ducted fan that can take in 40A of current. using a Walkera 36 with brushless motor and LiPo battery 11.1V , I can feel a thrust of about 300g. So a properly desinged ducted fan, can surely hover a plane.

[Ade]

its a completly different set of dymamics. but it still has some natural stability due to the gyroscope effect from the 2 rotors.

helis only have gyros on the tail rotor. as the designe of the rotor head provides the stability for cyclic

DF is completly unstable and would require gyros on the aileron/elevator to provide the stability. the full size harrier is well known for being a bit tricky!

Ade