Axial engines: Really a drop-in soloution for buggies?

[GTD]

I read on Axial's website that their .28 and .32 are a "direct bolt-in
replacement engine for any .21+ engine mount". Has anyone put one in a
buggy, ,, specifically a hyper 7 or an Ofna MBX Ultra. Any help will
be appreciated. Thanks.

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"GTD" <duuuh@stoopid.net> wrote in message
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>I read on Axial's website that their .28 and .32 are a "direct bolt-in
> replacement engine for any .21+ engine mount". Has anyone put one in a
> buggy, ,, specifically a hyper 7 or an Ofna MBX Ultra. Any help will
> be appreciated. Thanks.

All big blocks have standard mounting holes on the engine, hence any big
block will work in any big-block equipped vehicle. Axial motors would be a
direct bolt-in for your buggy. If you're looking for a hot buggy motor,
save yer' $$$ and grab a Mach 427 (standard equipment on the Losi 8ight).
Gobs of torque and rev out to 43,000+ RPM. They SCREAM.

Doc

[GTD]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:17:09 -0500, "\"Doc\"" <hmmmm@nahhhh.net>
wrote:

>
>"GTD" <duuuh@stoopid.net> wrote in message
>news:oj3jq2thptumm36e5m7ut8jkqis4lr8ia2@4ax.com...
>>I read on Axial's website that their .28 and .32 are a "direct bolt-in
>> replacement engine for any .21+ engine mount". Has anyone put one in a
>> buggy, ,, specifically a hyper 7 or an Ofna MBX Ultra. Any help will
>> be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>All big blocks have standard mounting holes on the engine, hence any big
>block will work in any big-block equipped vehicle. Axial motors would be a
>direct bolt-in for your buggy. If you're looking for a hot buggy motor,
>save yer' $$$ and grab a Mach 427 (standard equipment on the Losi 8ight).
>Gobs of torque and rev out to 43,000+ RPM. They SCREAM.
>
>Doc
>
Are buggy engines considered big-block? I had to do some filing on the
mounts and shim under them to get my Nova .28 in my hyper 7, , but it
fits OK once that was done.

Also, I have a .28 out of an MGT that it WAY too bulky for a buggy, ,
is that considered a big-block, , ,or just something weird (Seems like
the pull-starter is the thing in the way the most, ,it's much fatter
than any other I've seen)

I looked for the Mach 427, , ,haven't seen much of it except on ebay.
The Axial can be had for $125, , ,but if I could find as good of a
deal on the Mach, , I'd get it. Saw a Losi 8ight RTR, ,, Can't
remember the price though, , ,sweet looking ride. .

I notice that on most .28 motors (or at least the ones I've checked
out), the distance from the bottom of the crankcase to the bottom of
the mounting tabs is BIGGER than the height of an Ofna mount. Is this
going to be standard on a .28? What about other .21s and such? Am I
just goi9ng to be stuck shimming the motor up?

Thanks.

[Iridium]

"GTD" <duuuh@stoopid.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:17:09 -0500, "\"Doc\"" <hmmmm@nahhhh.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GTD" <duuuh@stoopid.net> wrote in message
>>news:oj3jq2thptumm36e5m7ut8jkqis4lr8ia2@4ax.com...
>>>I read on Axial's website that their .28 and .32 are a "direct bolt-in
>>> replacement engine for any .21+ engine mount". Has anyone put one in a
>>> buggy, ,, specifically a hyper 7 or an Ofna MBX Ultra. Any help will
>>> be appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>>All big blocks have standard mounting holes on the engine, hence any big
>>block will work in any big-block equipped vehicle. Axial motors would be
>>a
>>direct bolt-in for your buggy. If you're looking for a hot buggy motor,
>>save yer' $$$ and grab a Mach 427 (standard equipment on the Losi 8ight).
>>Gobs of torque and rev out to 43,000+ RPM. They SCREAM.
>>
>>Doc
>>
> Are buggy engines considered big-block? I had to do some filing on the
> mounts and shim under them to get my Nova .28 in my hyper 7, , but it
> fits OK once that was done.
>
> Also, I have a .28 out of an MGT that it WAY too bulky for a buggy, ,
> is that considered a big-block, , ,or just something weird (Seems like
> the pull-starter is the thing in the way the most, ,it's much fatter
> than any other I've seen)
>
> I looked for the Mach 427, , ,haven't seen much of it except on ebay.
> The Axial can be had for $125, , ,but if I could find as good of a
> deal on the Mach, , I'd get it. Saw a Losi 8ight RTR, ,, Can't
> remember the price though, , ,sweet looking ride. .
>
> I notice that on most .28 motors (or at least the ones I've checked
> out), the distance from the bottom of the crankcase to the bottom of
> the mounting tabs is BIGGER than the height of an Ofna mount. Is this
> going to be standard on a .28? What about other .21s and such? Am I
> just goi9ng to be stuck shimming the motor up?
>

Well Doc is right with the theory, but in practice it is true that some big
blocks are a little awkwardly shaped. I haven't toyed with any of the
motors you're discussing so can't really help with them though. Just don't
buy an STS :-)

--
Dan
Formerly DanTXD

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"GTD" <duuuh@stoopid.net> wrote in message
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> Are buggy engines considered big-block? I had to do some filing on the
> mounts and shim under them to get my Nova .28 in my hyper 7, , but it
> fits OK once that was done.

Anything .21 or bigger is a big-block (with the exception of some of the
aftermarket motors designed for Traxxas vehix), so yes, 1/8 buggies are
big-blocks.

> Also, I have a .28 out of an MGT that it WAY too bulky for a buggy, ,
> is that considered a big-block, , ,or just something weird (Seems like
> the pull-starter is the thing in the way the most, ,it's much fatter
> than any other I've seen)

The multi-start on the MGT motors is HUGE! You could replace it with a
standard pullstart or even an OFNA rotostart backplate to get her in there,
although IMO the MGT .28 is a pretty lackluster engine.

> I looked for the Mach 427, , ,haven't seen much of it except on ebay.
> The Axial can be had for $125, , ,but if I could find as good of a
> deal on the Mach, , I'd get it. Saw a Losi 8ight RTR, ,, Can't
> remember the price though, , ,sweet looking ride. .

I got my last 427 on the bay for $95 SHIPPED! Just hunt for awhile and
you'll find a sweet deal eventually.

> I notice that on most .28 motors (or at least the ones I've checked
> out), the distance from the bottom of the crankcase to the bottom of
> the mounting tabs is BIGGER than the height of an Ofna mount. Is this
> going to be standard on a .28? What about other .21s and such? Am I
> just goi9ng to be stuck shimming the motor up?

You could shim or you could just grab a taller set of universal mounts and
use them instead.

HTH,

Doc

[GTD]

"Doc" wrote:
> "GTD" <duuuh@stoopid.net> wrote in message

>
> > Also, I have a .28 out of an MGT that it WAY too bulky for a buggy, ,
> > is that considered a big-block, , ,or just something weird (Seems like
> > the pull-starter is the thing in the way the most, ,it's much fatter
> > than any other I've seen)
>
> The multi-start on the MGT motors is HUGE! You could replace it with a
> standard pullstart or even an OFNA rotostart backplate to get her in there,
> although IMO the MGT .28 is a pretty lackluster engine.
It actually didn't work too bad, , super easy to tune and never hadto
be touched once broke in. True enough that it was't the most powerful
..28 out there, but there are worse IME.

>
> > I looked for the Mach 427, , ,haven't seen much of it except on ebay.
> > The Axial can be had for $125, , ,but if I could find as good of a
> > deal on the Mach, , I'd get it. Saw a Losi 8ight RTR, ,, Can't
> > remember the price though, , ,sweet looking ride. .
>
> I got my last 427 on the bay for $95 SHIPPED! Just hunt for awhile and
> you'll find a sweet deal eventually.
Did that include a pullstarter?

>
> > I notice that on most .28 motors (or at least the ones I've checked
> > out), the distance from the bottom of the crankcase to the bottom of
> > the mounting tabs is BIGGER than the height of an Ofna mount. Is this
> > going to be standard on a .28? What about other .21s and such? Am I
> > just goi9ng to be stuck shimming the motor up?
>
> You could shim or you could just grab a taller set of universal mounts and
> use them instead.
I've not found them yet. Gonna try the LHS when I go to town tomorrow..
.. Thanks

>
> HTH,
>
> Doc

[GTD]

>The multi-start on the MGT motors is HUGE! You could replace it with a
>standard pullstart or even an OFNA rotostart backplate to get her in there,
>although IMO the MGT .28 is a pretty lackluster engine.
Just for S&G, I got a tigerdrive for that engine, and now it fits in
there much better. It's blubbering rich and it moves it around ok. I
think I'll wait until it gets warmer before getting a new powerplant.
I've read that one should not run-in a new engine in under 45 degree f
weather. That's a couple months away at best here. I know if I got
one, I'd want to run it right away. OTOH, , prices are probably better
this time of year (wishful thinking?)
>
>> I looked for the Mach 427, , ,haven't seen much of it except on ebay.
>> The Axial can be had for $125, , ,but if I could find as good of a
>> deal on the Mach, , I'd get it. Saw a Losi 8ight RTR, ,, Can't
>> remember the price though, , ,sweet looking ride. .
>
>I got my last 427 on the bay for $95 SHIPPED! Just hunt for awhile and
>you'll find a sweet deal eventually.
I didn't notice those had a rotostart at first. I think I'll end up
with one of those, ,, unless I break down and buy the RTR Kyosho
Inferno the LHS has, brand new, for $330 or so.

>
>> I notice that on most .28 motors (or at least the ones I've checked
>> out), the distance from the bottom of the crankcase to the bottom of
>> the mounting tabs is BIGGER than the height of an Ofna mount. Is this
>> going to be standard on a .28? What about other .21s and such? Am I
>> just goi9ng to be stuck shimming the motor up?
>
>You could shim or you could just grab a taller set of universal mounts and
>use them instead.
I couldn't find the taller mounts at the LHS, so shimming it must be.
..

>
>HTH,
>
>Doc
>

[Brian]

In article <50un8kF1ge3b6U1@mid.individual.net>,
iridiumdan@googlemail.com says...

OK, I'll bite: What's wrong with STS? I'm running a D21E in my MBX5T
and it's so far, so good at 1/2 gallon. Thing rips for a hundred-dollar
motor.

<<snippage>>

<< Just don't buy an STS :-)>>

[Iridium]

"Brian" <metzb1@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.201c5048beb6965498969c@news.cox.net...
> In article <50un8kF1ge3b6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> iridiumdan@googlemail.com says...
>
> OK, I'll bite: What's wrong with STS? I'm running a D21E in my MBX5T
> and it's so far, so good at 1/2 gallon. Thing rips for a hundred-dollar
> motor.
>
> <<snippage>>
>
> << Just don't buy an STS :-)>>

Ah sorry it was a joke from a previous thread heh. I know lots of people
rave about them - I had a nightmare with my .30 though. Everyone has
different experiences with them though as you say.

--
Dan
Formerly DanTXD

[Brian]

For the record, I bought a Novarossi 21BF and it handily beats the STS
D21E in ease of tuning and power. I'd still say the STS is a bargain at
near half the price of the Novarossi. I'm guessing the D21E was copied
from the 21BF. As usual, YMMV.

Brian

In article <51fpobF1iee8oU1@mid.individual.net>,
iridiumdan@googlemail.com says...
> "Brian" <metzb1@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.201c5048beb6965498969c@news.cox.net...
> > In article <50un8kF1ge3b6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> > iridiumdan@googlemail.com says...
> >
> > OK, I'll bite: What's wrong with STS? I'm running a D21E in my MBX5T
> > and it's so far, so good at 1/2 gallon. Thing rips for a hundred-dollar
> > motor.
> >
> > <<snippage>>
> >
> > << Just don't buy an STS :-)>>
>
> Ah sorry it was a joke from a previous thread heh. I know lots of people
> rave about them - I had a nightmare with my .30 though. Everyone has
> different experiences with them though as you say.
>
>