Can We go sailing at Madurodam?

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Looks like a neat place to sail boats in the Netherlands...

Madurodam google maps... (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&q=Netherlands&ie=UTF8&om=0&z=18&ll=52.099437,4.29714&spn=0.001697,0.005375)

:cool:

[Aerominded]

WOW!!!! the harbor is amazing!!!!

[smart_racer]

WOW!!! is right

[MILLERTIME]

Wow,
Let's move to the Netherlands.

Don M.

[Kmot]

I don't know how the Europeans do it. They have some of the most amazing places to run their model boats. And scale model trucks, too.

Oh, and the Brazilian's are not slouches either! Look at this combined aero, boat, car, and off-road heaven!

http://www.asasdovale.com.br/aerea1.jpg

[bluezephyr]

I have to agree with every one else. WOW!!

[keith S]

Some people get all the luck to have quality places provided for them to play at!

[pkboo]

I'll try to take pics of my playground this week and boast :) The town where I live is about 30 years old and was built on ground won from the sea 5 years before that. So we are a couple of meters below sea level and have alot of canals to guide the water to sea. Umi there is actually a club from the Hague (check http://www.hmbc.nl/) that is allowed to sail at Madurodam which is actually in the Hague. Madurodam is a tribute to George Maduro who was a freedomfighter in WWII.

[420TEE]

Kind of makes my cow watering pond lined with rocks look pretty shabby. :)

[patmat2350]

Madurodam appears to be mostly a big static model:
http://213.206.66.146/default.php?callmode=1&language=1&sqlmode=1
See especially "background information". Still, being able to run there must be great!

Pat M

[green-boat]

I like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who get's to play harbor master?

[jeepers1940]

"don't know how the Europeans do it."

One hears with very high taxes, very high motor fuel costs (which contain a high tax component), and - I suspect - hefty user fees, among other means.

Bill

[Kmot]

Don't we have all that here? :p

[MILLERTIME]

Maybe I should build a harbor on my pond?
Don M.

[toesup]

"don't know how the Europeans do it."

One hears with very high taxes, very high motor fuel costs (which contain a high tax component), and - I suspect - hefty user fees, among other means.

Bill

Don't we have all that here?

Erm....no Kmot...
Great Britain as an example..
20 something % taxes on your earnings :eek: , 17 1/2 % tax on everything you buy :eek: , Gas / petrol at about $7 a gallon :eek: :eek: (most of it Tax)... and the flying club i was a member of back in GB was 100 pounds ($200) per year... :censored:

[toesup]

Maybe I should build a harbor on my pond?
Don M.

Is that your back yard Miller?????

[herrmill]

Anyone want to play in my local pond? I have to share it with a surplus PLN Type 25 Huchuan MTB.

[pkboo]

Toesup, the Netherlands as a fact on salary --> the first €17,000 ($22,000) the IRS will charge you 34%, the next €13,500 ($17,7500) is 41,45%, the next €21,500 is 42% and beyond that is 52%. I wish I was paying a million a year :D We have a saying here, "only the sun comes out for free" and the Netherlands is one of the countries after England which has the least sunshine per annum :)

[smart_racer]

Canada...approx.25 o/o on earnings...14 o/o on purchase's...gas $106.9/liter (Victoria)

[herrmill]

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!

[MILLERTIME]

Is that your back yard Miller?????

Yes, My sister, brother and I have 20 acres on a canal bank. I had 4 ponds, but now have water in one.

[green-boat]

It could be worse. You could be living in Florida and have to deal with Alligators in your pond.

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Yes, My sister, brother and I have 20 acres on a canal bank. I had 4 ponds, but now have water in one.


Well I would definitly consider how go about building a nice scale break water, Harbor entrance. Perhaps a little ways away from the house, buy near the canal, digging out a nice two foot deep area that you could pour some nice concrete curbs and floor basin. Then building some nice permanent, or semi pemanant scale docks and buildings. Once it was all finished, dig away the bank between the canal and your "hole" and flood it. :p

[toesup]

Yes, My sister, brother and I have 20 acres on a canal bank. I had 4 ponds, but now have water in one.

Lucky bugger!.. :eek:

*green with envy* :censored: :censored:

[MILLERTIME]

I don't think the county would let me dig out the canal bank.
We do have a backhole, we dug the ponds.
A couple more pic. for Toesup.

[der kapitan]

Hey, it's not all that bad here in upstate New York. I have a small lot north of Buffalo, and a bit east of Niagara Falls. We have a small fish pond that I dug out by hand some 24 years ago, 8 1/2' by 24'. We filled in some of it this year,and relandscaped, reducing it to 17' long, adding a waterfall, and added some shrubs and other stuff. Still handy for those flotation tests, as it's bigger than the bathtub.

Overnight, we got our first snow for the winter season,big deal, an inch or so, and the pond froze over. The waterfall leaves an open spot on the surface, which provides a vent for releasing the carbon dioxide, thus allowing the 50 or so exotic goldfish that live there to survive.

The pond area is presently in a state of change, evolving into a picnic area,
a place to have one's morning coffee, and simply to muse---.

Anybody for pix of strange water?

[MILLERTIME]

der kapitan,

We want pictures.

Don M.

[Kmot]

Anybody for pix?
Does a bear crap in the woods? :p

[MILLERTIME]

Your all invited over (BYOB).
Maybe we can start the Miller's Pond Irregulars, if Tom don't mind.

[der kapitan]

der kapitan,

We want pictures.

Don M.

I wouldn't have had to ask---.

[Kmot]

That's a lovely back yard and pond. :)

It must be quite a challange navigating through the water lilies. :D

[der kapitan]

That's a lovely back yard and pond. :)

It must be quite a challange navigating through the water lilies. :D

Hi Kmot,

Yes, it is, and the best sailing time is in the spring and fall, when we cut them back for winter. Both the plants and fish stay right in through the cold weather when it ices over, with no problems, as long as there is a vent for the CO2 to gas out.. In fact, it's frozen now, but the waterfall is still running, and making a hole at the base. :p

I have a heater installed, but haven't had to turn it on so far, as it's been an unseasonably warm winter here. :)

[empirebuilder]

Madurodam is pretty awesome. I visited about 6 years ago with a buddy of mine from Amsterdam. In addition to the harbor there are lots of scale buildings and scenes. You walk through a huge park to view the various scenes, probably well know buildings to the Dutch, but I was just taken back by the quality of the scale buildings and ships through the harbor. As I remember, there are walk bridges over the waterways also. Definitely the dream playland for a model boater. I would guess it was a couple acres or more totally covered with models. Definitely the largest "model layout" I had ever seen.

So buy a couple acres of land, get a backhoe and start digging!

[empirebuilder]

Here's a couple more photos I gleaned off the net, as mine are not digital copies.

And if I recall correctly you can buy a beer there and enjoy the sites. Model boats, scale model railroad, beer.... ah, beer (Homer Simpson voice)

[der kapitan]

There was a similar place near Auckland, New Zealand about six or seven years back,
where you could sail your models, but not on such a grand scale. It was started by a local entrepeneur with the help of local model boat and train clubs, and showed great promise. However, its owner started charging the very people that helped him create it, and things went badly from there. It was called "Monterey Park", but I don't know what it's status is presently.

A good friend from Auckland was in the boat club that contributed his input on this project.

[tim slocum]

What great places to run your models!!I remember seeing something on TV about Madurodam as a child and thinking it was sooo cool :cool: I remember wanting to go and see it really bad.

As for me,I have a plastic kiddie pool for testing purposes and a city lake about 12 miles away for running the fleet.The lake has a small concrete boat ramp.I've run my tug in the Missouri river a few times(its less than 300yrds.from my house)in an area by the boat ramp with little current.Its kind of fun pushing drift wood around,but if I have some kind of propulsion failure....its bye,bye.

[Ghost 2501]

here are a couple of views of my local waters if anyone wants to see them.

[Stu :)]

Der Kapitan Monterey Park is still here. If it wasn't for the local naval combat club (now defunct) and the park I wouldn't have never really discovered this hobby.

The only thing that keeps the place going is the function center and the car museum. Pity there isn't a scale marine model club there, as the only one in Auckland is on the other side of Auckland; so-to-say. Nor can I understand why we only have one scale model boat club (not counting the power boaters and yacht'ies) here, but Auckland is home to five wargames clubs!

Stu :)

[Stu :)]

Don't have any photo's of my 'ponds' yet... but if you have Google Earth...
A good pond only two minutes drive from my house-
36°45'58.98"S
174°44'20.21"E
If you notice carefully that some nice person from the council has installed two jetty's and a mini boat ramp. That island in the middle movea around and changes size according to the season.

36°46'58.61"S
174°45'32.40"E
The white roofed building at the end is home to the North Shore Radio Squadron (Yachts), or "don't think about sailing that naval vessel any where near here" snobs.

Not many good ponds in Auckland, most likely due to our closeness of BOTH the Pacific
Ocean and the Tasman Sea.

Stu :)

[der kapitan]

Hi Stu,

I did a net search for Monterey Park, and did locate it, but it appears that the bulk of the model boating facilities have fallen into disuse, as you said. The Force "H" display
on the website was the work of my friend, Dick Hopper, who lives up in Howick. He still
builds, and is presently working on a NZ frigate. Recent works have been a pair of very nice liners.

[MILLERTIME]

Monterey Park

http://www.montereypark.co.nz/

Google Earth

36°47'15.72"S
174°39'15.84"E

[der kapitan]

Monterey Park

http://www.montereypark.co.nz/

Google Earth

36°47'15.72"S
174°39'15.84"E

Yes, that's it. I have some photos of the model boat pond in active use from probably 10 years ago, populated by the Auckland Marine Modellers.

A shame that they don't go there anymore.

[pkboo]

Had some good weather last sunday and I took some pics of the waterways I have around here.... well my favourite then! I still have two other choices with different water conditions (choppy to 1/2mtr waves on windy days or mirrored flat)..... one of these days!!

[smart_racer]

Very nice... I am jealous

[pkboo]

A couple of weeks ago they were cleaning out one of my playgrounds and got these pics of the smallest tug I've ever seen. It's just that size before it turns into a remote tug :D Alice from Urk!

[der kapitan]

Thanks for the pix, Boo, I've seen workboats that small before. There is one at a marina near me that is just about the same size, with push knees. :)

Just a simple boxlike pilothouse, we call it the "ticket booth". :D

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Is that Kmot's SS(supersized) Springer?
It's a nice little tug. There are one man log tugs in the Pacific Northwest that might challenge that one. :)

We want pictures from one of the Madurodam events if you have time to attend. ;)

[Kmot]

Wasn't there a thread in here one time that had lots of pictures of those tiny log tugs? They are much smaller than Alice.

[pkboo]

......... We want pictures from one of the Madurodam events if you have time to attend. ;)

Umi I'll try to comply, it's just about hour an' half from here! Eugène