Maritime oopses...

[patmat2350]

Great joy! I stumbled across a site for which I lost the link some time ago. Site for a maritime law firm; the owner seems to enjoy posting info about maritime disasters which clearly illustrate the need for good insurance (and a good lawyer!).

http://www.cargolaw.com/

Here's a great example, attached, from: http://www.cargolaw.com/2003nightmare_t-bone.html

Pat M

[smart_racer]

Somebody was asleep...!

[patmat2350]

Here's someone who was in an even deeper sleep. One thing to not see another ship, but to not see a ISLAND???

http://www.cargolaw.com/2006nightmare_mv.alvastar.html


http://www.cargolaw.com/images/disaster2006.Alva.Star6.GIF

[Ghost 2501]

Somebody was asleep...!

by rights, the springbok was at fault, the tanker is larger and therefore less able to manouvre, as a result other vessels should take heed.

those who are bigger or less able to give way shal have right of way

[Ghost 2501]

pat that second one, how the devil can you miss an island? if you cant see the light house surely they would have seen it on radar

[wolf66]

I've seen many large foreign flagged vessels at sea that appeared to be on auto pilot with no one on the bridge to see the radar..

[der kapitan]

Hi Pat,

I've been at some model boat regattas that have mimicked disasters like the ones described here, and I'm sure that you've been to a few as well.

It makes you wonder what's going through their heads, besides the breeze---.

[Massey]

Ghost it looks like in the first pic that Gemini was hit by Pats Texaco tanker and the second pic almost looks like Celestia ran aground. :) Sorry could not resist the ships are the same type as yours are.

Massey

P.S. a vessel under sail has the right of way and so do large vessels that are less manuverable but who has the right of way between a large powered vessel and a large sailing vessel?

[Ghost 2501]

damn good question, however a large sailing ship is probably more nimble than a tanker, as it has less weight, so could turn easier, however the master on watch of each vessel, should do what they have to to ensure that a traffic conflict (collision risk) does not occur

[Shaun Hendricks]

Did you guys see the latest? UMI should pay attention...

M/V Mighty Servant 3
SANK!!! Dec 6, she went down in 62 meters of water after delivering a platform. Developed a list and under she went (sounds like Cougar Ace take 2!) I think the ship is supposed to be a 'semi-submersible' not a fully submerisble! I think someone forgot to read that part of the instruction manual. Ugh... expensive ooops there...

Press Release from Dockwise (http://www.dockwise.com/index.php?sid=33)

[Ghost 2501]

62m is salvagable, though exactly how is open to debate

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Did you guys see the latest? UMI should pay attention...

M/V Mighty Servant 3
SANK!!! Dec 6, she went down in 62 meters of water after delivering a platform. Developed a list and under she went (sounds like Cougar Ace take 2!) I think the ship is supposed to be a 'semi-submersible' not a fully submerisble! I think someone forgot to read that part of the instruction manual. Ugh... expensive ooops there...

Press Release from Dockwise (http://www.dockwise.com/index.php?sid=33)

So are you saying that I should put everything into a water tight box?
:p

One of the submarine rescue and recovery ships ought to be able to send down a diver and stuff a high pressure air hose into the Ballast ports.
They can then just refloat it. Should be interesting to follow.

[smart_racer]

Get divers to burn the mast off, and leave it for a artificial reef

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Here ya go... wouldn't really call that a list so much as it went down stern first.

http://www.tugspotters.com/shippingnews/254-08-12-2006.pdf

The guys on the oil rig Have to be thinking, " That can't be right..."

[smart_racer]

Here ya go... wouldn't really call that a list so much as it went down stern first.

http://www.tugspotters.com/shippingnews/254-08-12-2006.pdf

The guys on the oil rig Have to be thinking, " That can't be right..."
...and where is my "Life Jacket"!!!

[jeepers1940]

"...it went down stern first."
In the pictures of the mostly sunken boat, isn't that the stern that I see sticking up out of the water? Would that not indicate that she appears to have sunk bow first? Just curious.

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

"...it went down stern first."
In the pictures of the mostly sunken boat, isn't that the stern that I see sticking up out of the water? Would that not indicate that she appears to have sunk bow first? Just curious.

The stern of these heavy lift ships have no superstructure... ;)

The stern had just floated the oil rig onto the sea, and looks like it was still underneath the rig when things went wrong.

[smart_racer]

No, stern first, the superstructure is located at the bow.The first picture shows the vessel design

[jeepers1940]

I humbly stand corrected. Thanks. I believe I'd better stick with Chris-Crafts; I think I know the bow from the stern on them. :)
Bill

[smart_racer]

It would seem there was a problem with the ballast tanks, allowing the stern to drop.I thought the water ballast was very controlled to maintain a stabilized level of the vessel, when sinking and raising for the load

[Ghost 2501]

could the rig have shifted slightly, and by so, dragging her over?

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

could the rig have shifted slightly, and by so, dragging her over?

It sounds like the rig was already floating when the MS-3 sank, or just continued to submerge.

The Mighty servant 1 and 3 both have a counter weight system on board that allows them to move objects without the two ballast towers on the stern. It is possible that the counter weight was out of position, or as smartracer said, something went wrong with the ballasting.

[Ghost 2501]

i think that is most definately an oh :censored: moment!

ok here your chance to explain things, enter replys here:

"well, boss....."

[smart_racer]

Blame it on the equipment!

[jeepers1940]

Or blame it on the computer(s). They always let you down at the most inopportune time.

[der kapitan]

Or blame it on the computer(s). They always let you down at the most inopportune time.

In whatever place the blame is eventually assigned, it was a very sad moment for captain and crew to have their ship drop out from under them.

Jeeps, you may have said it all. Computers do crap out at the worst moments---.

[MILLERTIME]

Sun spots!

[smart_racer]

Time for the insurance companies and maybe Smit/Mammoet

[jeepers1940]

I think I can imagine the computer salesman's sales spiel, "Why, this computer is so powerful, so sophisticated that it will make your ship virtually unsinkable. It just won't allow your ship to sink under any imaginable circumstances!"
Yeah, sure. :)

[Ghost 2501]

was he running windows software, linux or apple mac?

either way, glitches, dont ya hate them!

[Ray Farina]

Some of these boats that have GPS set the gps's and don't look where they are going. I was traveling in Barnegat Bay out of the channel and had to made a hard right to avoid a Grady White with twin outboards coming over my transom. They just set them and don't look where they are going. IS THIS RIGHT???

[Ghost 2501]

Some of these boats that have GPS set the gps's and don't look where they are going. I was traveling in Barnegat Bay out of the channel and had to made a hard right to avoid a Grady White with twin outboards coming over my transom. They just set them and don't look where they are going. IS THIS RIGHT???

i would of thaught that it was GOOD PRACTICE to keep a person on watch AT ALL TIMES,

[steveciambrone]

There are a fair number of idiot boat owners both pleasure and commercial. I have seen it first hand, full speed in the channel with nearly zero visibility.

Steve

[der kapitan]

I wonder when salvage efforts will begin. That is a very complex working vessel, and I can't conceive of them leaving it on the bottom. When was it launched?

[Ghost 2501]

DK, I think sometime in the late 1990s

[smart_racer]

It will be interesting to see the decision to salvage, ie: costs, depth, size of vessel to raise with minimal damage, method to raise vessel, damage to vessel aready accumulated, vs: insurance claim, if determined the sunken vessel is not a hazzard to navigation.

[Ghost 2501]

at 62m it will be easier to rase than the kursk

[smart_racer]

I cannot remember, what depth was the Kursk at, and the size of the sub, after divers cut the bow section off?

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

I cannot remember, what depth was the Kursk at, and the size of the sub, after divers cut the bow section off?

Length: 154.0 m
The submarine sank to a depth of 108 metres

:)

[smart_racer]

I cannot remember, what depth was the Kursk at, and the size of the sub, after divers cut the bow section off?
Found it, 154m- lenght...18.2m- wide...sunk in 108m of water

[smart_racer]

Found it, 154m- lenght...18.2m- wide...sunk in 108m of water
Thanks Umi...you were a minute faster

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

SmartRacer,
Just happened to be there...
:p
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A couple more pics of the Mighty Servant 3.
Images posted at WWW.Shipspotting.com (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/viewcat.php?cid=39&num=10&orderby=dateD&pos=0)

Shipspotting has some great photos in their galleries. Good place to bookmark.
Very Nice archive.
I had to link this one...

Whispered aboard this fishing trawler...

"Dude, is that thing still live?" (http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=281529)

[james carey]

In the photo's from Umi's post it looks like the vessel is sinking either underneath or very close to the Platform ? If that is the case it would complicate both salvage efforts and Rig operation . The top of that mast structure wouldn't be that far below the surface . twenty / thirty Metres ? Who's good at estimating hights?
Jim

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

James,

In that fourth picture that "2nd Mate" posted on Shipspotting.com, the Mighty Servant is still performing normally. The ship has partially submerged and they are floating the Oil rig off of the deck. You can still see the stern ballast towers to the right of the oil rig.

In the next image up, you can see that they have towed the oil rig away from the Mighty Servant 3 and the rig is floating in the background beyond the superstucture.

Interestly, my calculations put the tip of that crane boom at about 219'-5"(66m) in height from the keel to the tip of the boom. So the crane boom may remain sticking out of the ocean as some of the images have shown. :eek:

[smart_racer]

Interesting, with the top of the crane above the waterline...atleast the owners know were their vessel is.

[james carey]

Sorry Umi , should have looked harder ,

Interestingly enough Her Sister Ship , Mighty Servant 2 sank out this way in 1999 . Hit a rock , capsized with the loss of 5 lives . She was on her way to Angola as well.The insurers wrote Her off as a total loss and 12 months later the hull was cut for scrap on some beach in India. Sad end .

Jim

[Shaun Hendricks]

Umi...

To respond to your watertight comment, to be honest, I'd toss everything in the superstructure and surround with large amounts of flotation foam... :D At least it'd bob up and down by the superstructure!

As for the real ship, the ships systems most likely affected are the propulsion and electronics. Everything else would be fairly easy to replace or unaffected by seawater since it was made to submerge. I'm with Umi, a little highpressure air in the right chambers and she'll float right back up.

If it was a computer error, it paid for it with it's life! Likely it wasn't running a commercial OS, but a custom one. Most dedicated computers like that have very custom programming and they eliminate all outside chances of failure by not allowing code into the system they didn't intentionally write. My bet is on human error though. I think someone forgot to check something, left a door open that shouldn't have been, or didn't shut a valve on time.

"Hey Joey... I gotta hit the head... can you watch that main valve for me and shut it off when the Bosun says so? Thanks!"
Joey looks around from munching on his tube of potato chips, "Was someone talking to me?" <munch><munch> "Man, I love these Pringles..."

[der kapitan]

Shaun Hendricks said:

"Hey Joey... I gotta hit the head... can you watch that main valve for me and shut it off when the Bosun says so? Thanks!"
Joey looks around from munching on his tube of potato chips, "Was someone talking to me?" <munch><munch> "Man, I love these Pringles..."

Gee Shaun, you may have pinpointed the probable cause---.

[jeepers1940]

"A little high pressure air" or buy a LOT of pingpong balls. :)

[green-boat]

"a LOT of pingpong balls. :)
You've been watching too much MythBusters.

[jeepers1940]

Mebbe so.

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Shaun,

I was heading exactly to where you are suggesting till I saw the three or four European models and running gear. They made me confident I wouldn't need "all" the waterproofing cautions. However, I will probably re-think how I will approach the water tight areas. I know that one of the models sank stern first when one of its stern ballast towers broke loose. Kind of fore shadows the Mighty Servant 3's current predicament.

Cargo Law site (http://www.cargolaw.com/2006nightmare_mightyserve3.html) currently is hosting all the images that seem to be available of the incident. And JohanEA, from: Luanda, Angola, posted at ShipSpotting.com

Yes, you can see the crane some 3-4 meters above the water surface. And sometimes only, a small boat next to it to warn other vessels about this new obstacle. But at night time, the small boat is gone and no means of warning other vessels is in use. No light, no boat and no nothing.

[jeepers1940]

Uh oh, an accident waiting to happen. They'd better buy lots more pingpong balls; they're probably gonna need 'em.

[smart_racer]

Just curious...anybody heard,read, any up-dates on the Servant 3 problem?

[smart_racer]

Sorry, should had looked at Dockwise website before posting, it gives a up-date

[Shaun Hendricks]

This may seem an odd suggestion, but in a semi-submersible system like this... you'd think they'd take a page from the submarine handbook and have an 'emergency blow' mode. Drop all the ballast and reserve tanks of high pressure air blow the flooding tanks. A system like that could've saved Dockwise the millions of bucks it's going to take to refloat and refit that beast.

The Cougar Ace aptly demonstrated that as long as the ship is 'airtight', even a severe list won't sink her. While the Cougar Ace still cost a fortune to fix, at least only one deck flooded and some cars just lost a whole heck of a lot of resale value. In this case, Mighty Servant 3 is going to take a year to refit and get all the salt water out of her. They might just scrap her like they did the "2" as it's really hard to get that saltwater out of all the spaces. That might make it cheaper to scrap her.

As it is, she'll probably have to hit a freshwater dry dock and take a few freshwater baths to get all that salty stuff out of her.

[Ghost 2501]

something like that may not be the best idea, what if it fails under a rig, in therory, it could then come up then tip itself and the offloaded load, wrecking 2 things

[Shaun Hendricks]

In that case, you wouldn't pull the emergency blow lever. Just because something is available, doesn't mean you HAVE to use it at that second. Captains discretion of course! :D

In this instance, the rig moved off even as the ship was sinking. Once clear, the MS3 could've pulled the e-blow lever and popped back to the surface like a cork and kept all her bridge and most of her superstructure out of the water.

Whether or not the system would work if the ship was entirely flooded would depend on the volume of the tanks versus the weight of the ship and other bouyancy issues.

In any event, there wouldn't be a navigation hazard right now and the ship would be anchored some place while crews began to work on fixing her up and investigators would be finding out that Joey likes Pringles and Fred drank too much coffee before the manuever! :D

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Dockwise news...

Dockwise has contracted SMIT Salvage to salvage the Mighty Servant 3. Dockwise has chosen Smit out of four competitors for their experience and the fact that they have equipment ready near the North Angolan coast where the vessel is resting at the sea bottom in approx. 53 meters of water after it sank on 6th of December 2006.

Over the last weeks SMIT Salvage already conducted a complete diving survey to investigate the situation and remove the vessel’s bunker oil and pollutants that were on board. Now all the bunker oil is removed, the salvage operation can start. The Mighty Servant 3 will be recovered with the aid of the sheerlegs cranebarge ‘Taklift 7’ and by pressurizing the various compartments with compressed air. The salvage operation itself will likely take 6 to 7 weeks. The cause of the incident will be further investigated once the vessel is lifted. As soon as the vessel is fully recovered Dockwise intents to award a repair contract to a yard still to be nominated. The company expects to have the vessel back in operation in the first quarter of 2008.

[smart_racer]

Thanks for the update...should be a good salvage operation, not to deep for a air lift recovery, good to have a crane barge onsite for assistance, nice to read they what to put the Servant back in operation

[patmat2350]

Here's one from last February, I hadn't seen before. German minehunter posing for modelers who want to get her hull lines...

from: http://www.cargolaw.com/2000nightmare_singles.only.html#mine_hunter

PM

(note the two black balls on the hoist, indicating that the vessel is restricted in its ability to maneuver...)

http://www.cargolaw.com/images/Singles07.Minesweepwer1.GIF

[killick]

The Captain of this ship --assuming he is still in the Navy --is now sweeping parade squares with a toothbrush! (You gotta love those "Sea Lawyers" at CargoLaw....)

[der kapitan]

Here's one from last February, I hadn't seen before. German minehunter posing for modelers who want to get her hull lines...

from: http://www.cargolaw.com/2000nightmare_singles.only.html#mine_hunter

PM

(note the two black balls on the hoist, indicating that the vessel is restricted in its ability to maneuver...)

http://www.cargolaw.com/images/Singles07.Minesweepwer1.GIF

Gee Pat, ya think---?

[patmat2350]

Yep, Kap, I'm pretty sure!

Killick-
This Capt. may have just barely passed the seamanship course on "RADAR, And Its Uses in Avoiding Small Islands", but at least he knows his signals!

PM

[Tregurtha1013]

If he were a good Captain he would know that he should change from 2 balls to 3 as he is aground. :-)

(BTW, 2 balls is 'not under command'. 'Restricted in her ability to manuver' is indicated by 2 balls with 1 diamond between them.)

[Kmot]

This photo is interesting, it tells a lot and also leaves questions.

Notice the engines must be running, as the lights are on and the water cooling overflow is exiting the hull.

The underside of the hull is dented and damaged, but look at the bow also. It is crunched too and the railing is smashed.

[der kapitan]

This photo is interesting, it tells a lot and also leaves questions.

Notice the engines must be running, as the lights are on and the water cooling overflow is exiting the hull.

The underside of the hull is dented and damaged, but look at the bow also. It is crunched too and the railing is smashed.
Sharp eye, Kmot. The engines or the generator are running, probably to power the pumps. ;)

Also to run the toilet. I'll bet the skipper messed his pants---. :D

[jeepers1940]

Das Kapitan ist ein grosser dummkopf! or somethin' like that.

Bill

[der kapitan]

Das Kapitan ist ein grosser dummkopf! or somethin' like that.

Bill
Jeeps, you got that just about right, couldn't have said it better---. :D

[toesup]

Mrs. Toes Up here. Erm, even possibly, Gott verdammter Dummkopf....

[jeepers1940]

Ja, ja, fer grounden das kleine Kriegschiffe! Vershamen, vershamen. (lol)

[killick]

Could the two balls refer to the "interrupted" sweep? (Starboard side)?

[Ghost 2501]

Could the two balls refer to the "interrupted" sweep? (Starboard side)?

is dat vot ve call a ballz up mein herr?

[killick]

...Ja!

[arrow5]

Also to run the toilet. I'll bet the skipper messed his pants---. :D
Was ? krappen der lederhosen ? Himmel !

[Shaun Hendricks]

I say the Captain and the Crew were watching the "Dukes of Hazzard" movie and decided they could one-up the Dukes...

[Ghost 2501]

ve must jump zis vock and zen ve vill be abil to show dose amerikanischers vere to get off mein heir

[Shaun Hendricks]

Yeah, but they forgot the K.I.T.T. Turbo Boost mode... which the car is restored and for sale now. Just $138,000 and you too can own your own TransAm TV star... LOL!

[MUG1982]

Looks like they ramed a lighthouse...does anyone know exactly what happend here?

Kevin

[Shaun Hendricks]

LOL! Just looked up that minehunter class on links from Cargolaw... check out this navigation system they are 'bragging' about! Apparently someone forgot to turn it on or that island just cropped up there after the last bottom scan...

Here's the page... http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/frankenthal/frankenthal6.html

[MUG1982]

And a lot a good it did um right. Think they need to go back to learn how to drive...some deckies just gotta pay attention and understand that land and buildings have the right of way all the time...Thats why I am happy as an engineer, I just have to make sure I pull the right levers and turn the right valves to make the EOT (Engine Order Telegraph) comply with the bridge orders and what the ship is actually doin'.

Kevin

[Rex R]

now why does this one bring to mind 'hey y'all watch this'?

[Shaun Hendricks]

There is still EOT in this day and age? Wow... I'm surprised. Next you'll be telling me you still have to talk to an air tube... LOL! :D

[patmat2350]

Over 100 fishing boats working the "seal harvest" are trapped by ice.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/04/18/nl-dodd-sons-ice-dfo.jpg

Seems the icebreakers can't just mosey up to each boat without putting even more ice pressure on them.

Story:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2007/04/18/sealers-ice.html

Great aerial shots of many of these longliners were on the CBC TV this morning.

PM

[Ghost 2501]

oh dear, thats not good.

[patmat2350]

and for another take on the seal-boats-on-ice issue:
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_070414_1.html

PM

[smart_racer]

Over 100 fishing boats working the "seal harvest" are trapped by ice.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/04/18/nl-dodd-sons-ice-dfo.jpg

Seems the icebreakers can't just mosey up to each boat without putting even more ice pressure on them.

Story:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2007/04/18/sealers-ice.html

Great aerial shots of many of these longliners were on the CBC TV this morning.

PM
Good news for the baby seals

[Kmot]

Good news for the baby seals

Yup. And bad news for the people who rely on their slaughter for a paycheck. Too bad they can't find an alternative way to make a buck.

[der kapitan]

Yup. And bad news for the people who rely on their slaughter for a paycheck. Too bad they can't find an alternative way to make a buck.
Gee, somehow I can't work up enough emotion to feel sorry for these people. :rolleyes:

The term, "f:censored:in' butcher" comes to mind---. :(

[Ghost 2501]

i feel sorry for the boats! poor long liner getting crushed!

[Tregurtha1013]

Gee, somehow I can't work up enough emotion to feel sorry for these people. :rolleyes:

The term, "f:censored:in' butcher" comes to mind---. :(

Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm generally not much of a 'tree hugger' type.... but seal hunting, get a clue Canada!

[bigford]

ummm seal burger ans whale blubber smoothies :mad:

what is WRONG with the WORLD!!!!!

[patmat2350]

and for another take on the seal-boats-on-ice issue:
http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_070414_1.html

PM

Sea Shepherd boats:
http://www.seashepherd.org/fleet/fleet.html

Amazing story:
http://www.seashepherd.org/fleet/fleet_whales_forever.html

PM

[Soar Master]

Run defenseless baby seal while you can. :D

I bet the Canadian Coast Guard Ice breakers will free the Sea Shepard Green Peace type ship last if at all. :censored:

[Soar Master]

http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/App/WsvPageDsp.cfm?ID=1&Lang=eng

[patmat2350]

Hmmm...
Longlines = bad: http://www.seashepherd.org/longline/
Andrea Gail = longliner = bad
Billing Boats sells Andrea Gails, Billing Boats = ??

Longlines catch yummy swordfish.
Longlines also catch turtles & albatross.
Eating yummy swordfish = ??

[Kmot]

Does anyone actually wear fur anymore? In particular, baby seal fur??

[ziobrop]

Im quite sick of all the people who bash the seal hunt every year with no knowlge of what goes on. Sure, Heather Mills, and Paul Mcartny lying next to a white seal pup makes for good media coverage, but completely ignores the fact that Canadian law has prohbited the hunting of baby seals for at least 20 years.

The seal hunt is no more curel then cattle farming or any other comericial fishery. Seals are just cuter then cows or lobster and so make for better headlines. Furthermore, unlike many other species that are hunted and harvested there is an explosion in the seal population. The species is not at risk.

Please, Before you accuse Canada of being inhumane, take alook at the facts, and learn a bit about what your commenting on. The deadliest catch glorifies the fishery, but it is largely the opposite fo what you see on tv.

[Soar Master]

Soon to be dead as soon as the ice Thaws a bit. What a waste! Humans can be pretty stupid sometimes. :(

[Massey]

This thread needs to return to topic. This is Maritime Ooops' not seal bashing of any kind.

Massey