Vintage jet plans for download ***FREE***

[JetPlaneFlyer]

I've built up a fair collection of vintage Jetex jet plans over the last few years. The manufacturers of these designs are long gone so I dont feel that I'm treading too heavily on anyone’s toes by sharing the collection with you.

Just right click the link and select 'save target as'

Comet F94C Starfire (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Lockheed%20F94C%20Starfire%20-%20a%20late%201940s%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F9F Panther (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Grumman%20F9F-5%20Panther%20-%20Korean%20War%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet P-59 Aircomet (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Bell%20P-59%20Airacomet%20-%201945%20jet%20kitted%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F4D Skyray (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20F4D%20Skyray%20-%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F86 Sabre (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/North%20American%20F-86%20Sabre%20-%20jet%20kitted%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet D558-1 Skystreak (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20Skystreak%20-%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
KK Sabre (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20Sabre.pdf)
KK DH110 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20DH110.pdf)
Skyleada Cutlass (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/US%20Navy%20Cutlass%20F7U-3.PDF)
Skyleada Mystere (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/D%27Assault%20Mystere%204.PDF)
Skyleada YF-100 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/F-100%20Super%20Sabre.pdf)
Skyleada Swift (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Swift.pdf)
Skyleada javelin (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Javelin.pdf)
Skyleada Hunter (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/HAWKER%20HUNTER.pdf)
Skyleada DH Comet (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/DH%20Comet.pdf)
D558-2 Skyrocket from Flying Models mag (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20Skyrocket%20-%20jet%2C%20from%20December%201948%20Flying%20Mode ls.pdf)
Comet F-100 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Comet%20F-100.pdf)**NEW**
Marquettes Volantes F-100 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Maquettes%20Volantes%20F100.pdf)**NEW**
Talasco F9F-8 Cougar (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Talasco%20F9F-8%20Cougar.pdf)**NEW**
KK Gloster Javelin (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20Javelin.pdf)**NEW**
Berkeley Ducted fan F-11F Tiger(no print wood) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/F11F%20Tiger.pdf)**NEW**
Comet F 84F Thunderflash (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Republic%20F84-F%20Thunderflash%20-%201950%20jet%20by%20Comet%2C%20Jetex%20150%20powe red.pdf)**NEW**
Ray Ryan Fireball (rubber and jet power!) (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Fireball.pdf)**NEW**
Opal Rak1 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Opel%20Rak%201.pdf)**NEW**
Sipa 200 minijet (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/SIPA%20200%20Minijet%20-%20early%201950s%20French%20one%20place%20twin%20b oom%20micro%20jet%20for%20Jetex.pdf[/url)**NEW**


The original power source for most of these designs is Jetex, which is unfortunately long gone, however many are ideal for conversion to Rapier rocket power, some could be converted to ducted fan, even prop powered (if you must) or catapult... It would be great to see some of these old designs taking to the air again.

Acknowledgement to 'Planeman' for supplying the Comet plans... thanks Rufus!

[ChrisP]

Christmas came early this year ! :)

Thank you VERY much.

Chris P

[johnukhenry]

Nice One - More building boards needed !

[John O'Sullivan]

Just because the original publishers or manufacturers are no longer around, don't assume that there is no copyright on the plans. Recently RepliKit who were marketing plans and short kits of KeilKraft and Veron models were put out of operation by petty minded Amerang, who now own the copyright. Similarly with models published in a number of magazines such as Aeromodeller, Model Aircraft, Model Builder and RCModeler. The magazines are gone but copyright to the plans has passed on to other interests.
In some ways this is sad, because a wealth of wonderful information is being effectively sterilized.
Models such as my Hi-Tee Open power model published in 1964 in Model Aircraft are in limbo. I have checked with Nexus, the XPlans and others who have got plan rights, and have been written given permission by them to sell my new CAD re-drawings of the original.
On the other hand, my Spinifex 100, published in RC Modeler (which has gone mamary glands-up) still retain copyright and I can't sell the plans.

I don't have a problem with you making the plans available, but be forewarned, there are those out there who may have a vested interest. Even though they may not be actively selling the kits or plans, they still have the rights to make things miserable for you. It is a petty and nasty thing to do, but some people have no concept of the historical importance of model aircraft development and of keeping these plans in circulation.
Keep up the good work of bringing plans of the models we oldies were weaned on to the enlightment of new modellers.

John O'Sullivan
www.windandwavemodels.com

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Thanks for the heads up John... There are certainly some entities such as Amerang out there who just appear to want to prevent these vintage plans being made available to anyone, they themselves appear to have no interest in marketing them. Fortunately for Replikit the new owners have easily sidestepped the issue by removing any reference to the original manufacturers name from the plans, they are now all available for sale again.

As for me... I doubt these large corporate entities would get to hear about my plans collection or even be interested if they did find out about it. Certainly however I would not want to steal the bread from the mouth of legitimate businesses who own copyright to these plans and actually want to market them... To this end I removed any Cleveland plans from the folder because I was informed that they are still being sold.

All the same... best grab them while you can just in case ;)

[ewengler]

I doubt if I will have time to build any of these models but I love the hand drawn plans. Suitable for hanging. Thanks

[Ian Easton]

Great stuff - I may not build them but I love to look at them. There's just someting about those old plans that makes them fun to browse through. You don't happen to have a list of the Cleveland plans you have do you?

[Oian]

Jet Plane Flyer:

Thanks, I've always wanted to build The Comet Skystreak ever since I had a kit of one as a youngster (mid fifties) The plane never got built and disappeared somewhere along the way. Thanks for the plan and especially the copy of the print-wood! I' thinking possibly an electric DF free flight.

John

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Jet Plane Flyer:

Thanks, I've always wanted to build The Comet Skystreak ever since I had a kit of one as a youngster (mid fifties) The plane never got built and disappeared somewhere along the way. Thanks for the plan and especially the copy of the print-wood! I' thinking possibly an electric DF free flight.

John
Thanks for the feedback John... I was hoping these plans would bring back some memories. I was not around to see most of them when they were first sold but that does not prevent me appreciating a well drawn plan, the Skystreak is one of my favourites too.
If a few models get built then so much the better... Please send me some photos if you do build :)

By the way... all the plans I listed have full print wood details.

[BMatthews]

Another thankyou for making those plans available. As already said it's really sad that companies like that are so ready to stifle the history of our great hobby. I've got nothing against paying for plans such as this but at least the companies should make them available if they are going to complain about us sharing them. It's burying history for pity's sake and that's not right.

BTW, let's not forget that thanks to the mirable of clear prop blades made from pop bottle plastic we can make fine rubber powered propjets from many of these plans. The long noses work to our advantage for a change.

PS: that Comet Panther is the same as the one I tried to build as a kid. Never did finish it but I'm tempted to try again but this time for rubber prop power or perhaps for the surgical tubing air bladder trick that was mentioned in a thread about a year back.

[JetPlaneFlyer]

PS: that Comet Panther is the same as the one I tried to build as a kid. Never did finish it but I'm tempted to try again but this time for rubber prop power or perhaps for the surgical tubing air bladder trick that was mentioned in a thread about a year back.

I actually built a Panther from this plan recently... I modified it quite a bit both to lighten it and to allow the use of a Rapier L2 motor in place of the original jetex. I did however use an original Jetex Aumentor tube. It went great... here is a video: http://media.putfile.com/F9F-Panther

[saucerguy]

Funny how we are picking the comet right off the bat, it was my first choice as well and I didn't even go through the replies before checking it out. I'm taking note, these are more then just plans, they are build guides and as stated before, even the cut list. I suggest posting a mirror thread in the builders workshop.

Copyrights and patents do have a shelf life, this is why you see alot of copycat designs out there, also, there are modifications you can do to the original design to get around that equally if you want to play it safe. The historical significance of these combined with learning from the past to apply towards the future is profound and I feel there is much to be learned from these old timer designs that are being re-learned and continue to do so because people simply forget, that and of course, "design squatters" getting in the way. Since you are not profiting from these in any way and are not causing financial damages to the originator, they really don't have a case, this applies to alot more then just copyrights, it applies to slander and harrassment as well. Personally, I'd be talking to my lawyer before posting stuff like this, but that's just me.

[BMatthews]

Nice flight Jetplaneflyer! It seems like that was about the same or perhaps a hair shorter a motor run than with the original old Jetex motors I had as a kid. And from what I could see among the shaking camera :D the model looks darn fine too.

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Thanks Bruce :) The run time of Rapier motors is typically around 20 seconds, though there are versions of the L2 size motor available with a 25 second burn at slightly reduced thrust.
I was quite pleased with the way the Panther went because the idea of using a Rapier motor with a Jetex Augmentor tube had only been tried once before to my knowledge and that model was lost when a stray spark set it on fire :( Hopefully I'll be ok in this respect because I lined the engine bay area with aluminium foil.

Here is the model itself, still awaiting decals and finishing details:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/Rapier_HP/Panther_build_12.jpg

And the 'bones'
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/Rapier_HP/Panther_build_08.jpg

[challenger_i]

Oh, MAN! This is great! I have been looking for this plan for the P-59 for a while. You have save me a great deal.

Thanks!

[eteet]

Wow! That Panther is spectacular. What's it covered with? And...thanks for the plans!

Eric

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Wow! That Panther is spectacular. What's it covered with? And...thanks for the plans!

Eric

Thanks... It's just covered with Blue Esaki Japanese Tissue with a couple of coats of thinned dope and a light spray with an airbrush of enamel paint thinned with cellulose (lacquer) thinner.

[65stang]

Hey, thanks for the plans, but the page is either incredibly slow or doesn't work........is there a problem with the page?

[JetPlaneFlyer]

The site I used to host the files can be a bit unreliable, however when I last checked there had been over 2500 downloads so it is working at least most of the time.

I have uploaded them to another site which does appear more stable and also allows direct linking without all the adverts:

Just right click the link and select 'save target as'

Comet F94C Starfire (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Lockheed%20F94C%20Starfire%20-%20a%20late%201940s%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F9F Panther (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Grumman%20F9F-5%20Panther%20-%20Korean%20War%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet P-59 Aircomet (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Bell%20P-59%20Airacomet%20-%201945%20jet%20kitted%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F4D Skyray (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20F4D%20Skyray%20-%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F86 Sabre (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/North%20American%20F-86%20Sabre%20-%20jet%20kitted%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet D558-1 Skystreak (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20Skystreak%20-%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
KK Sabre (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20Sabre.pdf)
KK DH110 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20DH110.pdf)
Skyleada Cutlass (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/US%20Navy%20Cutlass%20F7U-3.PDF)
Skyleada Mystere (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/D%27Assault%20Mystere%204.PDF)
Skyleada YF-100 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/F-100%20Super%20Sabre.pdf)
Skyleada Swift (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Swift.pdf)
Skyleada javelin (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Javelin.pdf)
Skyleada Hunter (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/HAWKER%20HUNTER.pdf)
Skyleada DH Comet (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/DH%20Comet.pdf)
D558-2 Skyrocket from Flying Models mag (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20Skyrocket%20-%20jet%2C%20from%20December%201948%20Flying%20Mode ls.pdf)

[Trisquire]

JetPlaneFlyer,

Great collection of plans. Are you aware of any Aermacchi MB-326 plans? It's kind of a personal favorite of mine.

Tom

[saucerguy]

I have a dedicated server, PM me if you guys are needing a reliable place to upload files like this to.

[mcross]

Thanks JetPlaneFlyer!

[brokenspar]

Nice collection of plans, Jetplaneflyer. I love that little F9F. Do you also have plans or a drawing for the Baka in your avatar? Pete

[TBolt]

Love those plans, I will have to make room on my building table, maybe enlarge a bit and convert to EDF.
Oh man am I going to be in trouble, another building spree.

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Nice collection of plans, Jetplaneflyer. I love that little F9F. Do you also have plans or a drawing for the Baka in your avatar? Pete
The Baka / Ohka is one of my own designs for Rapier powered free flight. It was published in R/C Model Flyer magazine here in the UK earlier this year and back copies together with plan and full build instructions can be ordered here: http://www.modelflyermagazine.com/Frames/BackIssues/Issue07_07.htm

If you just want the plan then grab it here: Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20plans%20_private/Yokosuka%20MXY7%20Ohka_317span.pdf)

Here is a larger photo:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/Rapier_HP/Ohka_Finished_04_570.jpg

[brokenspar]

Thanks, JetPlaneFlyer

[corsair nut]

wow, these plans are sweet!

[Kiwi]

My favourite from my teenage years ( a looong time ago!) was the KK Javelin, any chance of that being added at some stage?

[BMatthews]

JPF, I missed your posting of the Panther pics first time around. Too much concentrating on my new sport of paintball!

The Panther looks great and I'm wracking my mind about the idea of an EDF version. Perhaps one of the hot 3500kv inrunner motors on a GWS fan unit? Not for this summer though. The list is too long already... :D

[Daedalus66]

The KK Sabre brings back memories of building one in 1953. It flew well.

The other KK Jetex kit that I built was the Avro 707A delta. That's one I'd like to see again.

Thank you, JPF.

[JetPlaneFlyer]

The KK Sabre brings back memories of building one in 1953. It flew well.

The other KK Jetex kit that I built was the Avro 707A delta. That's one I'd like to see again.

Thank you, JPF.

I have that one too... unfortunately i dont have the print wood patern for it but as it has a simple circular fuselage it would not be difficult to figure out. Replikit (http://www.replikit.com) also used to do a kit for the 707A, I dont see it listed now but if you email them you may find it's still available.

here is the plan: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Avro%20707A%20by%20KK.pdf

[vintage1]

Ive been wrorking on a new Replikit site..its still pre relase, but if you want to see what's available the site is temporarily located here

www.blackandwhite-models.com/Replikit

Particularly stumbled in here for product shots of the KK Gloster Javelin and Douglas skyray..if anyoine has box art, or a scan from an old plans book or advert..

PS if you want to buy any replikits, call the number or use the old site at WWW.replikit.com

[scruffy1]

hi

first time poster, but over a third of a century as a builder; i only found this site yesterday researching catapult gliders, having just fudged one for my 5y.o.

i built that exact hawker hunter in the mid 70's from a keilkraft kit, papered in bright red

never flew under "power" because of the temperamental nature of the jetex, but it was a beautiful thing :D

thanks for the links; i am loving this site ;)

[JetPlaneFlyer]

My favourite from my teenage years ( a looong time ago!) was the KK Javelin, any chance of that being added at some stage?

Kiwi,
I just noticed your request...

Better late than never: KK Javelin Plan (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20Javelin.pdf )

Enjoy :)

[groundlooped]

JPF,thanks for making the old plans available :) I built the jetex 150 jetmaster swift in the fifties,haven,t built a jet since but will have a go at the KK swift enlarged to about 20" span,haven,t come across rapier engines in Australia so will experiment with estes rocket motors which are readily available.:D
cheers
Col

[JetPlaneFlyer]

will experiment with estes rocket motors which are readily available.:D

Col,
One word... DONT !... Even the lowest thrust Estes motors are WAY too powerfull (like at least 10x too much) for a small stick and tissue model, they will literally pull the wing off, in addition to cremating it.

Sams Models and freeflightsupplies.co.uk will ship Rapier motors anywhere in the world.

[groundlooped]

JPF thanks for the warning,but ya gotta admit....it would have been spectacular:)
I was worried that rapiers couldent be posted to OZ.
will check with SAMS, wait for the BIG BANG to be heard around the world:)
Cheers
Col

[JonJohnston]

JetPlaneFlyer,

Might a DXF or DWG version of your Ohka be available? I would like to blow them up and build the Type 22 with a ducted fan.

Jonny

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Jonny,
Yes i can run off .dxf or .dwg CAD files. If you are still interested PM me your email and let me know what file format and version suits best.

cheers
Steve

[Scirocco14]

HI,

I recently inherited some older Jetex planes and would like some help identifying them, if anyone can help. The first is a F9F Panther but I can't be sure. The other I believe is an old Berkeley Temco TT-1 Pinto? Unfortunately the Jetex motors didn't come with them.

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs204.snc1/7135_1247748593396_1219875474_30742580_7218444_n.j pg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs204.snc1/7135_1247748633397_1219875474_30742581_1639463_n.j pg

This one has about a 12" wingspan

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs204.snc1/7135_1247748673398_1219875474_30742582_7567250_n.j pg

This one appears to be about 30" wingspan

How easy is it to convert these to Rapier power? Otherwise I may just convert them to rubber power, and get them flying (again).

Thanks in advance,

Mark

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Scirocco,
The first one is the F9F Panther by Comet for a Jetex 50. This one could be converted to rapier, the F9F featured in my earlier posts in this thead is Rapier L2 powered and based on the same plan (though quite heavily modified). the plan itself is one of those i gave download links for in post #19. Rapiers are impossible to get hold of right now due to manufacturing problems, I've no idea when the supply situation will improve :(

And yes the second one looks like the Berkeley Temco. This one was intended to be powered by a Jetex Scorpion or Jetmaster. Both motors are rare and now very collectable so bring high prices, they do come up on eBay from time to time. There is no Rapier motor powerful enough for this model I'm afraid.

Both models are really too heavily built to fly rubber powered.. The Panther may possible for rubber power if you were building from scratch and could make the necassary modifications but converting the existing model would be impractical.

Electric ducted fan would be the way to go on the Temco but that would require substantial modifications which would be difficult as the main structure is already complete.

Steve

[KnifeEdge51]

So, the link in the first post appears to be down. They're upgrading or something. Anybody know when it'll be back up? I'd love to get some of those plans! :)

[JetPlaneFlyer]

The links on post #19 still work ok

Here they are again.....

Comet F94C Starfire (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Lockheed%20F94C%20Starfire%20-%20a%20late%201940s%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F9F Panther (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Grumman%20F9F-5%20Panther%20-%20Korean%20War%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet P-59 Aircomet (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Bell%20P-59%20Airacomet%20-%201945%20jet%20kitted%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F4D Skyray (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20F4D%20Skyray%20-%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet F86 Sabre (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/North%20American%20F-86%20Sabre%20-%20jet%20kitted%20by%20Comet.pdf)
Comet D558-1 Skystreak (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20Skystreak%20-%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)
KK Sabre (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20Sabre.pdf)
KK DH110 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20DH110.pdf)
Skyleada Cutlass (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/US%20Navy%20Cutlass%20F7U-3.PDF)
Skyleada Mystere (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/D%27Assault%20Mystere%204.PDF)
Skyleada YF-100 (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/F-100%20Super%20Sabre.pdf)
Skyleada Swift (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Swift.pdf)
Skyleada javelin (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Javelin.pdf)
Skyleada Hunter (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/HAWKER%20HUNTER.pdf)
Skyleada DH Comet (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/DH%20Comet.pdf)
D558-2 Skyrocket from Flying Models mag (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Douglas%20Skyrocket%20-%20jet%2C%20from%20December%201948%20Flying%20Mode ls.pdf)
KK Javelin Plan (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/KeilKraft%20Javelin.pdf )

[Gluehand]

Many thanks JPF for all those fine plans..!!
However, the inevitable "wannabuildemall"-dilemma occurs, but plans are not for build only, as it is a great delight just to study them...particularily old non-cad plans, giving flashbacks to the past as well as providing inspiration for things to come....an artwork in itself...

I miss the Jetex propulsion system...as a kid I played with it for some time, mostly by converting simple stick fuselage rubber models (as I recall, these were the best flyers), but I also built a KK MIG15, which was nice due to its scale looks, although fly-wise it was no winner...in retrospect, I beleive I may have built it too heavy....

Jetex fuel/fuse/meshs etc was available everywhere, not only in hobby shops, but also in many "toy"-stores, and even in some of the early supermarkets (!!)
And storing some fuel at home, didn't give any unsafe feel of storing "explosives" (justified or not...)

Jetex is/was a fascinating alternative to rubber powered F/F, and I want it back again :) with a reasonably good availability on fuels and service parts.
Making your own fuel pellets would be an option, but today some chemicals are very hard to get, due to the present trade restrictions on chemical products....

Are there any modern alternatives (apart from Rapier) that I have overlooked..?


:)

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Gluehand,

Yes, Jetex is sadly missed. I was born too late to catch the Jetex heyday of the 50's and early 60's but in my youth in the early 1970's I did get one of the last Jetex 50's produced and i do recall having some decent flights with a simple stick fuselage model. The model and motor was lost in a tree if I recall correctly :(

The KK Mig 15 is actually a great performer if built reasonably light. Here is one flying on a Rapier L2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJywDWDH8-w The rapier motor is a lot lighter than Jetex so it makes achieving a good flying weight a lot easier.

I'm afraid that there is currently no Jetex alternative other than Rapier, and Rapier themselves are impossible to get hold of right now. In the 90's and early 2000's there was a Jetex copy called 'Jet-X' produced by a company by the name of Powermax. Sadly these too have gone out of production though still can be found on eBay along with genuine Jetex.

The German HELD 1000 rocket motor is something I've been looking closely at lately. These are intended for ballistic rocketry use but they do have a longer burn than the typical Estes type rocket (5 seconds)... Still rather short burning to be considered a Jetex substitute though, and a lot more powerful.

[Gluehand]

No, relying on Ebay to keep models flying is no good idea....I hope something will come up eventually....

Dwelling on my old KK Mig 15, as I recall, I applied too much dope, and even a final coat of silver in order to make it more "scaleish". I also had to add some nose ballast to get the C/G right....and, the motor was a "Minijet", i.e. the weakest motor in the range.....mm...I was about 11 years old, so if nothing else, this experience was added to my "learning account".... :D

The Mig on the video does a good flight, and the acceleration is impressive, although the flight would have been much longer, if trimmed to a slightly higher nose on the glide....but impressive it was... :)

[JetPlaneFlyer]

The Mig in the video was on early trimming flight, longer duration is certainly achievable. It does not help that Rapier flying this year has been reliant on old motor stocks which are often long past their best. This can mean they are low on thrust and short on duration. Hopefully Dr Zigmund over in the Czech Republic will get the Rapier production lines running soon...

[KnifeEdge51]

Hmmm . . . when I click "save target as" on the links in post 19, it will save the file, but it says that it cannot be opened because it was damaged or some such rubbish. Any ideas? My computer, maybe? :confused:

Correction: All of them work except the F9F, which was the one I tried first (because it's the one I wanted the most, LOL). Anybody have a copy they can host somewhere or would be willing to PM or e-mail to me? :p

[JetPlaneFlyer]

KnifeEdge,
The link works ok for me :confused:

Here it is again: Comet F9F Panther (http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Grumman%20F9F-5%20Panther%20-%20Korean%20War%20jet%20by%20Comet.pdf)

If you just click it it should open up in your browser. If you are still having problems then PM your email address to me and I'll send it.

Steve

[KnifeEdge51]

Steve,

Haha! It did the same thing at first, but after I closed Adobe down and hit the refresh button on the browser window that came up, it loaded properly. Saved it to my hard-drive so it's all good. Thanks a million! :D

-Nick

[NitroCharged]

Hi Steve,
Is it me or are the pdf parts plans for the Comet Panther way out? Every piece I cut was wrong when laying them down over the layout. I have had to redraw every part to correctly fit the pieces together. They are all the wrong size, wrong shape, too short, too long, notches in the wrong spots etc. :confused:

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Nitro,

Poor parts fit is not uncommon on plans of this vintage. It's possible that the parts sheets have inadvertantly been scaled up or down over the years during copying but if some parts were too big and some too small then that points toward a problem with the original kit.

I've built the Comet Panther but only the fuselage owed anything to the original plan and even then I modified it quite a bit to remove the hatch and make the whole forward fuselage detachable, so most parts were re-designed anyway.

Steve

[NitroCharged]

Thanks Steve. That makes sense.

I've scaled the Panther up to 16.5" W/S for R/C, so the errors would have been enlarged too. ;)

Is this the only Comet Panther 'build' thread of sorts?
Would this be the most appropriate place to post my updated parts sheet when I have finished?

[planeman]

Helo "NitroCharged",

I was the one who restored the Comet Grumman Panther plan you are working from. The plan was one I found on the Internet in poor condition, however it did have scans of the printwood that were difficult to see well. I used those scans, enhanced them in Photoshop so I could see them better, and carefully re-traced the printwood in Photoshop so others would be able to build from them. It was a lot of work and I didn't compare the printwood parts to the plans except to make sure they were at the same scale.

I would appreciate it if you would e-mail me your updated parts sheets so I can incorporate them into a revised plan to replace the one that I prepared. We can do this to help others in the hobby. My e-mail address is rufus.carswell@yahoo.com

Thanks!

Rufus Carswell
Atlanta, GA
"Planeman"

[NitroCharged]

Hi Rufus, I understand about the time it takes to redo the drawings. I can truly appreciate the effort you must have had to put in to redo these plans based on my own efforts so far.

I'm doing this in Illustrator so can export as a pdf (or any other format) for you.

I have had to check and recheck each part as I go. Even then some have needed a 'tweak' to be just right. I adjust, print, cut and fit - if it needs a slight change, I repeat the process. I do chuckle when I cut the finished part out and it slips right into place. It's slow going but I haven't done a balsa build for many years so I am enjoying all of it. :)

[planeman]

I notice a few posts back there is a Berkeley Temco 150 jet trainer from the 1950's. I have this plan as one of my next "restoration" projects. If there is interest I will post it in the Vintage section of the RC Groups when I get it done. Please speak up.

Planeman

[NitroCharged]

Steve, I have only just clicked to who you are. ;)

[vintage1]

I have that one too... unfortunately i dont have the print wood patern for it but as it has a simple circular fuselage it would not be difficult to figure out. Replikit (http://www.replikit.com) also used to do a kit for the 707A, I dont see it listed now but if you email them you may find it's still available.

here is the plan: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/11/11/368005/Jet%20Plans%20for%20sharing/Avro%20707A%20by%20KK.pdf

Just noted this: Yes the Avro is still available.

I'm working on a new fuller bodied if somewhat simpler website over Christmas and onwards.

Full Replikit catalogue is now online for download off one of my sites

http://www.shaman.co.uk/models/Replikit%20Catalogue.pdf

[*jj]

Just noted this: Yes the Avro is still available.

I'm working on a new fuller bodied if somewhat simpler website over Christmas and onwards.

So can you change the grey letters on a black background? Pretty please? For those of us with ageing eyes? :o

[vintage1]

So can you change the grey letters on a black background? Pretty please? For those of us with ageing eyes? :o

Oh, its compeletely different.

Ok, why not. development site outline is here

www.tempest.templar.co.uk

I have yet to write the shop. Or complete the pages.

Comments on a postcard..

[NitroCharged]

I have made a fair amount of ground on the fuse and started skinning it in 1/32" balsa. once it started getting a cover - I didn't care for the outline much, so I compared the Comet plan with a modern 3 view of the F9F and things I thought didn't look right aren't.
The fuse is too sleek in front of the cockpit(narrow). The rear wingsweep to the fuse isn't large or far enough back and the vertical fin area in general seemed too low, which it is.

I compared the same 3 view to Nick Zirolli's F9F Panther and the outlines were much closer on his plan.

So, I am going to scrap the build and start again with a new set of parts and views that will give this Panther a more true outline. :)

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Nitro,
You're right of course. The Comet design is not very true to scale.. Bear in mind that the Panther was a brand new aircraft when Comet produced the kit so scale data would have been hard to come by. The same criticism can be made on most if not all of these vintage kit designs, many are far worse than the Panther. Some of the Keil Kraft scale kits of the same period are barely recognisable to be honest.

I deliberately avoided comparing my model to a 3-view, i would have only upset myself;).. Even then I couldn’t help noticing the non-scale 'slimness' of the forward fuselage.

It still builds into a nice looking model that is unmistakably a Panther.. As long as no one has a 3-view for comparison they would never know it was not quite right...

Steve

[NitroCharged]

Steve, very true. When I saw your Panther photo I didn't notice anything unusual and it spurred me to make one, so I agree that right off the plan would normally be fine. I'm just being a fuss pot with mine. :)

[JohnAV8R]

JetPlaneFlyer, thank you for all the plans. They may not be true scale, but as you noted, when they first came out there may not have much to go. For me, it’s really the memory.
I was in Fort Churchill in the 1955 (?) and the Gloster Javelin and Hunter were under going cold weather testing. I remember seeing the Javelin [XA 723] going through the sound barrier on a clear day. My Dad brought me into the hanger and let me stand on the wing and look into the cockpit.
Great memories!:D

[MakMov]

Funny how we are picking the comet right off the bat, it was my first choice as well and I didn't even go through the replies before checking it out. I'm taking note, these are more then just plans, they are build guides and as stated before, even the cut list. I suggest posting a mirror thread in the builders workshop.

Copyrights and patents do have a shelf life, this is why you see alot of copycat designs out there, also, there are modifications you can do to the original design to get around that equally if you want to play it safe. The historical significance of these combined with learning from the past to apply towards the future is profound and I feel there is much to be learned from these old timer designs that are being re-learned and continue to do so because people simply forget, that and of course, "design squatters" getting in the way. Since you are not profiting from these in any way and are not causing financial damages to the originator, they really don't have a case, this applies to alot more then just copyrights, it applies to slander and harrassment as well. Personally, I'd be talking to my lawyer before posting stuff like this, but that's just me.

Yeah,

after 1976

Copyrights are protection for 70 years after the death of the author.

after 1990

But, unless they are original ideas, which scale models wouldn't be, the are considered "Designs" and have 10 year protection.

You will get a C&D long before an action against you.

But you do not necessarily need to be profiteering to infringe on a copyright.

In addition within the past couple years ownership of Warbrids and other government built, ordered, or designed airplanes that were often thought to be public domain did go back to the manufactures, which was kind of a blow to the hobby industry.

[vintage1]

On the copyright issues..I wasn't with Replikit at the time, but the legal issues were raised by Amerang, who bought up just about every kit brand in the UK, and promptly did nothing with them, in a long lawyers letter, which basically said 'we protect the trademarks alone: we own the brands. No us of brand names or logos is permissible'

They must have taken advice on the actual designs, and realised they hadn't a legal leg to stand on, as they were not themselves producing them, and copyright is as described, a thorny issue.

Its a shame because we cant legally supply Frog, Keilkraft and Mercury logos and decals. Or can we? I dunno. Maybe the brand and tradename legislation says you can as long as they are nor represented as being 'the brand'


I mean, If I sell a Coca Cola decal, will Coke sue me?

[Gluehand]

If you sell a Coca Cola decal, you advertise Coca Cola - for free......they should be grateful......:D......or is it here the proverbial thorns kick in..?..:eek:




:D

[NitroCharged]

I'm slowly but surely making my way through the upgraded plan. I had completed the whole rudder/fuse side view and all parts and while double checking and comparing, found that even my 3 view drawing was incorrect so had straighten that out and redo it all over again. :rolleyes:

It doesn't look like much has been done in these images as I am not showing all the parts I've done that don't sit on the plan in top and side views. I am working on the fuse formers at the moment (just inserting the stringer inserts on each one). Then, I have to do the parts that connect the fuse and wing and I am done... on paper anyway. The build will show off any errors I've made. ;)

I must admit, Harold got pretty darn close when designing this. You can see the differences from the plan and the new layout. I am designing the rear of the fuse to accept a 30mm edf unit with tailpipe.

http://www.nitrocharged.com/images/f9f/f9f_progress_1.gif

http://www.nitrocharged.com/images/f9f/f9f_progress_2.gif

.

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Dave,

That's a very thorough job you are doing on the re-design. Looks like there were some quite large errors on the original plan especially the rear fuselage and fin which were set much too low. The scale lines look like they should work much better.. then there is the narrow nose that I noticed when I built mine, it looks much better the way you have it.

Steve

[JetPlaneFlyer]

Helo "NitroCharged",

I was the one who restored the Comet Grumman Panther plan you are working from.

Yes,
I owe Rufus an apology for not giving him due credit as the original source for many of these plans.

Thanks Rufus!

Steve

[Ojimy]

On the copyright issues..I wasn't with Replikit at the time, but the legal issues were raised by Amerang, who bought up just about every kit brand in the UK, and promptly did nothing with them, in a long lawyers letter, which basically said 'we protect the trademarks alone: we own the brands. No us of brand names or logos is permissible'

They must have taken advice on the actual designs, and realised they hadn't a legal leg to stand on, as they were not themselves producing them, and copyright is as described, a thorny issue.

Its a shame because we cant legally supply Frog, Keilkraft and Mercury logos and decals. Or can we? I dunno. Maybe the brand and tradename legislation says you can as long as they are nor represented as being 'the brand'


I mean, If I sell a Coca Cola decal, will Coke sue me?
Many years ago in Southern California, there was a repair shop near my home which specialized in the repair of Volkswagen automobiles. VW "Beetles" (or "Bugs" as we sometimes referred to them) were not only tremendously popular in the SoCal area, but were, in fact, about the only kinds of Volkswagens being imported in significant numbers.

The shop sat at the intersection of 2 large thoroughfares, and prominent was a large sign which sat at the apex of the intersection..."Al's Volkswagen Repair." The guy did what we Americans refer to as a "land-office" business. I.E., the repair bays were always full, with about 10-15 cars in the lot awaiting service.

One day, I drove by to see that the sign had been hastily painted over. Instead of "Al's Volkswagen Repair," it now read "Al's Repair of German 'Insect' Vehicles" The service bays were still as full as ever, with the same number of cars outside, awaiting service.

I suspect "Al" received a letter similar to the one Amerang's lawyers sent you.

[MakMov]

Many years ago in Southern California, there was a repair shop near my home which specialized in the repair of Volkswagen automobiles. VW "Beetles" (or "Bugs" as we sometimes referred to them) were not only tremendously popular in the SoCal area, but were, in fact, about the only kinds of Volkswagens being imported in significant numbers.

The shop sat at the intersection of 2 large thoroughfares, and prominent was a large sign which sat at the apex of the intersection..."Al's Volkswagen Repair." The guy did what we Americans refer to as a "land-office" business. I.E., the repair bays were always full, with about 10-15 cars in the lot awaiting service.

One day, I drove by to see that the sign had been hastily painted over. Instead of "Al's Volkswagen Repair," it now read "Al's Repair of German 'Insect' Vehicles" The service bays were still as full as ever, with the same number of cars outside, awaiting service.

I suspect "Al" received a letter similar to the one Amerang's lawyers sent you.

I have seen that letter, too!

My father had a small indy Porsche repair shop in Madison Wisc that was in listed in the "Porsche" font in the yellow pages and someone from Porsche Corporate found it and told him he couldn't use that anymore.

There are some companies that are very agressive with this. Ferrari who is probably the most aggressive and Porsche the second.

[dlazarus6660]

NitroCharged,

Will you be posting your up-dated plans of the Panther?

Daniel

[NitroCharged]

Yes I will. :)

[hoffboy]

Yes I will. :)

Now THAT'S news I can use. ;)

[NitroCharged]

I've started a new thread on the Panther so I don't continue to hijack this one.

It can be found here (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1176166)

[JetPlaneFlyer]

I've added some new plans and updated the old links on the first post in this thread. The Talasco F9F-8 Cougar and DF Berkeley F-11F tiger are crackers!

Steve

[NitroCharged]

I like me that Cougar Steve - that's some serious balsa! :)

[JetPlaneFlyer]

I like me that Cougar Steve - that's some serious balsa! :)

Yes it's a very nice looking plan and it does not make the same scale errors as the Comet Panther.. To casual inspection it looks pretty accurate.
An EDF would slot in right where the Jetex 600 is drawn.. just need to open out the inlets a bit.

Steve

[vintage1]

I've spent time updating most of the plans we have..not supposed to be free, because normally we sell the paper, the mailing tube etc etc..but if anyone desperately wants anything planwise, e-mail me and I'll probably be nice.

Replikit Plans catalogue (http://replikit.dyndns.org/shop.php?category_id=51)

If a thumbnail exists, Its in electronic format right now, and what you see is what you get.

If not, its in paper and we will have to spend money to get it scanned.

[planeman]

I must say I am very happy that the plans I have so carefully restored in Photoshop and Steve (JetPlaneFlyer) has posted here are making everyone so happy. The reason I have spent the time restoring the plans is so others in the hobby that has meant so much to me over the years can enjoy viewing, building, and flying the models from the past. I never sell any of them. I do swap and offer them for free for those who contact me looking for them. I now have over 4,500 plans I have restored and digitized that are e-mailable. Contact me at rufus.carswell@yahoo.com if you are looking for something in particular.

Rufus Carswell
Atlanta, GA USA
"Planeman"

[planeman]

My thoughts regarding model airplane plan copyrights . . .

A lot has been said in this and other threads about copyrights. Unfortunately the way the copyright law is written (in the USA) a copyright holder can lose his copyright should others infringe and he doesn't pursue to defend his legal rights. This has forced companies to be ultra-vigilant and jump on any small perceived infringement. I live in Atlanta, GA (USA), the home of Coca-Cola and have had business dealings with the company. They go to great lengths to protect their copyrights. My cousin is the lawyer that handles many of Coca-Cola's intellectual properties (copyrights) so I am more than aware of this. Years ago I was a sales representative for a very large company that handled the majority of Coca-Cola's printing. Periodically Coca-Cola would print up a small amount of packaging for Coca-Cola chewing gum, Coca-Cola mints, Coca-Cola this-and-that, products that it did not have. They would pre-arrange with a store to put these products on a shelf and sell them - with a pre-arranged buyer of course. All of this was to legally prevent others from naming a product with the Coca-Cola name as Coca-Cola had actually “manufactured and sold” this product. Large corporations have to do this kind of thing to protect themselves and they have the money to do so. Back in the 1990's when the Olympics came to town there was a little hole-in-the-wall Greek restaurant named the Olympic Flame that had been in business for many years. When the Olympic committee found out they created a big stink and made the restaurant change its name. It was in all of the local media.

Copyrights issued before the 1970's (I can't recall the exact year in the 1970s) were for a relatively short period of time (17 years I recall) and then had to be periodically renewed or the rights reverted to public domain. The laws for copyrights issued after the date in the 1970s were for a much longer time and this time was extended even further in a law passed in the late 1980s. For this reason model airplane plans copyrighted before the 1970s and whose copyrights have not been constantly renewed should have reverted to public domain. As most of the companies that produced these plans are long gone its a pretty sure bet that these plans are in the public domain area. There are a very few model manufacturers from that time still in existence – Guillows comes to mind – and in a sense Cleveland as it is still producing plans under another owner. Comet lasted into the 1980s and is reported to have been bought by Guillows but no Comet models have been produced by Guillows. I suspect Guillows has no problems with modelers passing old Comet plans around but would pursue someone who would produce model airplane kits in the “Comet” name. In any case the first defense of a copyright would be a “Cease and Desist” letter from their lawyer to the infringer demanding the infringement to immediately stop. This usually brings things to a mutual conclusion and no suit is filed. Law suits are very expensive things and are usually avoided, especially if there is little to be gained financially – and I can't think of many things of less financial gain then a set of old model airplane plans.

For these reasons I think we are relatively safe in trading and giving away the old model airplane plans copyrighted prior to the 1970 date as long as we avoid Guillows and Cleveland. I am speaking of American plans for the most part. Things may be different in England and the rest of Europe. And talk about expensive, try pursuing a lawsuit across international boundaries! I don't think it would be likely by a small model manufacturing company unless there is a hell of a lot more money in the model kit business than I am lead to believe.

Planeman

[Richard Cox]

Many thanks for preserving these treasures.
I have started cutting parts for the Cougar, having reduced it to size
to fit a 30mm EDF.

I think the Cutlass will be next.

[POWERGROOVES]

hey planeman---good shout

PIG:D

[Freddie B]

Jetplaneflyer, hats off to this great contribution. Found this because of NitroCharged's F-9 build log, which by the way is too cool. Thanks to the both of you for this.

Fred