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AnthonyRC
Oct 29, 2006, 03:24 PM
The interest in 'Full Immersion' flying appears to be on the increase, fueled mainly by VRFlyer's amazing 'Bromont Golf Video'
Unfortunately the cost of entry into this exciting aspect of model flying is still too high for most pockets.
I'd like to help change that, I have a design for a head-tracker system, which I am considering offering for sale in kit form for around $150. This will mount onto any head-mounted display.

I'd like to determine what kind of interest there would be in such a kit before I go any further. I've attached a photo of one of the prototypes.

Preliminary specs:
- Dual-axis gyro (natural pan/tilt head movements)
- Connects to R/C Tx via buddy-box cable
- Extremely low drift, possibility to re-zero, and re-calibrate in-flight with a single button
- All thru-hole components, no SMD, should be easy for anyone with basic soldering skills to put it together.
- Tx support is not fully defined yet, but 'Type 1' transmitters should be supported immediately (see this site for type info: http://users.belgacom.net/TX2TX/tx2tx/english/tx2txgb1.htm)
- ESC-style programming menu for now, but hardware support for RS232 programming, and software to follow in the future.

Please drop me a mail on info@aeropix.ch if such a kit would interest you, and of course lively discussion is welcome on this forum.

reznikvova
Oct 29, 2006, 03:36 PM
Let's go!

hihptsi
Oct 29, 2006, 04:41 PM
Let's go!


Thanks anthony thats Awosome!i think i might need to upgrade my radio though to use that as i only running with a 7CAP.

cars4fun2001
Oct 29, 2006, 05:53 PM
sounds cool 150 is a lot better than 1200. can you make it work on a jr radio

aragon
Oct 29, 2006, 06:23 PM
Sounds wicked. Please don't forget Multiplex support (connectors).

:)

nakelp86
Oct 29, 2006, 06:39 PM
Im in
will email when back home

Griffo
Oct 29, 2006, 06:44 PM
Fantastic!!! I'm another keen JR user :).

GoForBlackSky
Oct 29, 2006, 11:31 PM
Yes Sirrrrr, sign me up!!!

BlackSky

typicalaimster
Oct 29, 2006, 11:55 PM
I'm curious if there is a way to tie it into a serial link? For example using Parallax servo controller board. I have a servo controller board and a Maxstream. Usually I'm downlinking with the Maxstream.. However I haven't even touched the upstream.

philthyy
Oct 30, 2006, 12:21 AM
That would be really sweet! Go for it! What are you waiting for? C'mon! LOL!

CrashingDutchman
Oct 30, 2006, 02:24 AM
I am interested too, but have a type 3 radio!

Edit: Sanwa RD6000

AnthonyRC
Oct 30, 2006, 03:29 AM
I'm curious if there is a way to tie it into a serial link? For example using Parallax servo controller board. I have a servo controller board and a Maxstream. Usually I'm downlinking with the Maxstream.. However I haven't even touched the upstream.

Serial link should be no problem, there is a serial port on the device for programming. What exactly do you want to do?, the parallax board lives in the plane?, and you want to uplink the servo positions?

Markus Meier
Oct 30, 2006, 04:06 AM
Hi Anthony

put me on the "is interested" list. I have a type3 tx (Graupner).

Greetings Markus

AnthonyRC
Oct 30, 2006, 04:19 AM
Hi Anthony

put me on the "is interested" list. I have a type3 tx (Graupner).

Greetings Markus

There seem to be more of these type 3 Tx out there than I imagined. There is certainly a way to handle this, but it will require modifying the transmitter, to intercept the PPM signal to the RF module, and install a socket.

KeithLuneau
Oct 30, 2006, 05:48 AM
Here's another "type 3 user" that's rooting for you! :)

(Flash 5x)

AnthonyRC
Oct 30, 2006, 06:14 AM
Question for type 3 users: Would be be willing to modify your Tx to support the headtracker?, basically to install a small module and a connector?

CrashingDutchman
Oct 30, 2006, 06:19 AM
I editted my post to show make of radio

CrashingDutchman
Oct 30, 2006, 06:20 AM
Question for type 3 users: Would be be willing to modify your Tx to support the headtracker?, basically to install a small module and a connector?

I would be willing to do that, quite good with a soldering iron but not an electronics expert....

Markus Meier
Oct 30, 2006, 06:52 AM
Hi Anthony

i already did a lot to my tx (additional switches and potis ...)

I have no clue of electronics, but if the required soldering skills do not go beyond the skills required for your video tx/rx-kits then i will go for it :)

Greetings Markus

AndyOne
Oct 30, 2006, 06:56 AM
...
- Extremely low drift, possibility to re-zero, and re-calibrate in-flight with a single button
-

Anthony,

Are you using heading lock gyros?

Andy.

AnthonyRC
Oct 30, 2006, 07:43 AM
Anthony,

Are you using heading lock gyros?

Andy.
The gyro is a device designed primarily for use in home-entertainment systems, or computer mice. Very stable with temperature, and extremely low drift. A microcontroller turns the rotational rate data into a position.

So to answer your question... not exactly.

CrashingDutchman
Oct 30, 2006, 08:37 AM
Accelerometers then?

typicalaimster
Oct 30, 2006, 09:01 AM
What exactly do you want to do?, the parallax board lives in the plane?, and you want to uplink the servo positions?

Yes correct. I picked up some software that controls the Parallax board with a Joystick. Here's the concept...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8190581864288390096&hl=en

AnthonyRC
Oct 30, 2006, 09:03 AM
Accelerometers then?

No, certainly not accelerometers, it does use a 2 axis gyro. Accelerometers can (just) be used for the tilt axis, but for pan they are useless.

KeithLuneau
Oct 30, 2006, 02:09 PM
I would be happy to install the extra module and connector inside my transmitter. I've already got a couple extra switches in it.

Canada Goose
Oct 30, 2006, 02:19 PM
I'm in...PM sent

Futaba 9CAF

ob1
Oct 30, 2006, 02:34 PM
The interest in 'Full Immersion' flying appears to be on the increase, fueled mainly by VRFlyer's amazing 'Bromont Golf Video'
Unfortunately the cost of entry into this exciting aspect of model flying is still too high for most pockets.
I'd like to help change that, I have a design for a head-tracker system, which I am considering offering for sale in kit form for around $150. This will mount onto any head-mounted display.

I'd like to determine what kind of interest there would be in such a kit before I go any further. I've attached a photo of one of the prototypes.

Preliminary specs:
- Dual-axis gyro (natural pan/tilt head movements)
- Connects to R/C Tx via buddy-box cable
- Extremely low drift, possibility to re-zero, and re-calibrate in-flight with a single button
- All thru-hole components, no SMD, should be easy for anyone with basic soldering skills to put it together.
- Tx support is not fully defined yet, but 'Type 1' transmitters should be supported immediately (see this site for type info: http://users.belgacom.net/TX2TX/tx2tx/english/tx2txgb1.htm)
- ESC-style programming menu for now, but hardware support for RS232 programming, and software to follow in the future.

Please drop me a mail on info@aeropix.ch if such a kit would interest you, and of course lively discussion is welcome on this forum.
If you can make it work with JR 9303, put me on the list "to buy". Just so you will know, the 9303 has the ability to individually assign any of the primary flight control channels 1-4 to the trainer. RC-Tech ( I was considering their VR1000, but not any longer) does not seem to understand this, so they have not made the effort to make their unit available for JR users. In my specific situation what I have done is the following, and it works very very nicely (remember, the basis for what I am saying is a JR layout): I use the ch2 aileron rx port for my rudder servo which gives me directional control with left/right movements on the right stick; I use the ch3 evevator rx port for up/down pitch control with fore/aft movements on the right stick; I plug the esc throttle lead into any remaining rx port other than ch1 or ch4 which are JR standard throttle and rudder respectively; I assign either the left or right proportional "slider" controls on the tx to whichever rx port I plugged the esc throttle lead into, and this give me full 3-channel control (throttle, rudder, elevator) for some of the more popular FPV models like EasyStar, SlowStik, TwinStar, etc....or just about anything that can be flown with throttle, elevator, and either rudder or ailerons. This leaves the entire left stick (ch1 and ch4) free to be assigned to the trainer (gyro tracker). I fly this way now with no problems, using the ch4 rx port for pan (left/right movement on left stick) and the ch1 rx port for tilt (fore/aft movement on left stick). I have even kinda got my brain and left hand coordinated, so that when I move my head left, right, up, or down, my left hand moves the left stick in a fashion that causes the camera to mimick my head movements. I know is is not the same as gyro-controlled head tracking, but its sort of a "poor man's approach" to accomplishing the same outcome. Since this works great now, I would see no problem using your head-tracker as long as it will work with the JR buddy (trainer) cord.
Thx....and keep up the good work.
ob1

Talontsi96
Oct 30, 2006, 05:10 PM
Anthony.....I'm in if you get it going....

Is there any chance of it working (with or without modification) on a Hitec Eclipse 7 Radio?

Paul

Kilrah
Oct 31, 2006, 03:12 AM
RC-Tech ( I was considering their VR1000, but not any longer) does not seem to understand this, so they have not made the effort to make their unit available for JR users.

Sorry, that's not exactly true.

You were told this setup would work perfectly. The only concern is that we get a lot of people who already have difficulties in making simple mixes on their TX. Spending hours of technical support to support one more TX model just isn't realistic. To my knowledge, other JR models don't allow selective switching.

Plus, most of the users don't want to be constrained in the aircraft type they'll have to use.

awmeade
Oct 31, 2006, 04:49 AM
Sounds excellent, I'm on board!

9CAP

Andy.

ob1
Oct 31, 2006, 01:05 PM
Sorry, that's not exactly true.

You were told this setup would work perfectly. The only concern is that we get a lot of people who already have difficulties in making simple mixes on their TX. Spending hours of technical support to support one more TX model just isn't realistic. To my knowledge, other JR models don't allow selective switching.

Plus, most of the users don't want to be constrained in the aircraft type they'll have to use.
I guess this is a little off-topic, but I really don't know where else to post my response since his comments are in this thread.

With respect to the portion of your response (You were told this setup would work perfectly)....I completely disagree. If you want me to post the actual email response I will, but I have tried to stay away from doing such things, because it can be taken wrongly. In essence I was told that if I wanted to use "complicated mixes" or other configurations that not many people would understand, I could do so. No one indicated the the VR1000 "....setup would work perfectly". There is still a concern related to Andre's comments about combining the sensors' PPM output with the master Tx PPM output and replacing certain channels and feeding it back into the master Tx PPM input. I am not certain this will work on JR 9303, because you must select in the Tx programming whether the Tx is being used as "master" or "slave"(trainer). This makes sense, and if it is set to "master", then the signal from the student Tx will be "accepted" on the master PPM input and used when the "trainer" switch/button is engaged. However, this leads me to suspect if the master Tx programming is set to "master", there will not be any "PPM output signal" to your module, since the Tx is only expecting PPM input from the student Tx. If instead the 9303 programming were set to "slave" (student), then it would in fact be providing "PPM output" to some type of master Tx. So I really don't see how your unit will work. PM or email me (Andre has the address) and we can discuss further if you feel the VR1000 is still a viable option for JR users.

Hamanu
Oct 31, 2006, 01:13 PM
I'm in I got a 9cap.

hemna
Nov 01, 2006, 12:43 AM
will this work on my Hitech 7 ?

AnthonyRC
Nov 01, 2006, 06:10 AM
Just a quick update on progress with the head tracker.

- The hardware design is finished, PCBs have been sent out for Fab.
- The software (firmware) is looking very nice, ESC-Style menu system is complete. Just a bit of testing to do and it should be set.
- Beta test units should go out this week
- I'm looking at various possibilities to support pre-computer radios which can selectively mix channels.

If all goes well I'll open up the website for orders within a couple of weeks.

robmoll
Nov 01, 2006, 08:54 AM
I gotta have it. 9chp super.

nakelp86
Nov 01, 2006, 10:19 AM
I'm in I got a 9cap.


whats that??????????

TStokes
Nov 01, 2006, 12:26 PM
Could you provide a short description of what, exactly, "Head-Tracker" is?

Tom

AnthonyRC
Nov 01, 2006, 12:59 PM
Could you provide a short description of what, exactly, "Head-Tracker" is?

Tom

Sure, let me take a crack at that.

So, in the days before head-trackers, 'flying by video' (a.k.a 'Video Pilotage', a.k.a 'Video Piloting', a.k.a 'FPV') was a bit like flying an aircraft with blinkers on. You could see straight ahead, and that's it. Lots of fun to fly, but was missing something.

Then came servo-mounted cameras, which could pan and/or tilt, by stick control. You wanted to look left, you would move a control stick to the left, you get the idea... worked great, but still was missing something.

The Head-Tracker is a device which you fix to your head (usually fixed to the video goggles that you look through to fly). It contains a gyro which keeps track of your head movements, both rotation (panning), and tilting.
Hook this to the buddy-box connector on many transmitters and it controls the 'stick' which drives the pan/tilt camera.

The result of this is that you can literally look around while flying, which makes it much more natural to perform some of the tree-dodging manouvers that VRFlyer showed in his (now famous) golf video.

Hamanu
Nov 01, 2006, 02:11 PM
Good job AnthonyRC

TStokes
Nov 01, 2006, 09:28 PM
Thanks, Anthony, I had the idea from the description that the airplane would turn in the direction your head turned. I couldn't see how that would be useful.

Tom

twinturbostang
Nov 02, 2006, 10:52 AM
Anthony: If it's not a secret, what kind of sensors are you using in your head tracker?

AnthonyRC
Nov 02, 2006, 11:16 AM
Anthony: If it's not a secret, what kind of sensors are you using in your head tracker?

Its no secret, I'm using the Gyration modules: http://www.gyration.com/en-US/GyroTech.html

Leon K
Nov 02, 2006, 07:27 PM
I like it

VRflyer
Nov 14, 2006, 07:22 PM
Anthony will send me a Gyro head tracker, I should receive it in a couple of week, it's a long trip to Canada.
I will evaluate it for you and also make videos. This Gyro is promissing, I expect a good product, Anthony is a master in software and he look to know well the electronic :)

4mla1fn
Nov 15, 2006, 12:12 AM
...deleted question...answered it myself...

AnthonyRC
Nov 15, 2006, 04:14 AM
...Anthony is a master in software and he look to know well the electronic :)
Thanks Graham :-), not sure about Master, but I've done a few 'hello worlds' :-)

MorrisM
Nov 15, 2006, 05:50 AM
Anthony, Put me on the list too. I am not very happy moving the camera manually while flying.

AndrésMtnez
Nov 15, 2006, 07:18 AM
Another near-future customer!! :)

Futaba T9cp

I wouldn´t like to modify anything on my Tx, but would do it if that´s completely necesary


Andrés

AnthonyRC
Nov 15, 2006, 08:28 AM
T9cp will work just fine, infact, its probably the ideal Tx to use it on (power available on the trainer connector, and selective PPM override available)

4mla1fn
Nov 15, 2006, 08:44 AM
will multiplex royal evo 9 be equally good? haven't bought a radio yet, but i'm leaning towards this one. thx.

nakelp86
Nov 15, 2006, 08:47 AM
I am in Line too
JRXP9303

reznikvova
Nov 15, 2006, 09:11 AM
Will JR XP8103 be compatible now, or even in the future?

Thanks,
Vova

AnthonyRC
Nov 15, 2006, 09:45 AM
will multiplex royal evo 9 be equally good? haven't bought a radio yet, but i'm leaning towards this one. thx.

Looks like it might be possible, the evo 9 can selectively allow a student Tx to take over up to 5 channels.
Its not the ideal Tx for headtracking, but it could work.

VRflyer
Nov 15, 2006, 04:37 PM
Anthony, Put me on the list too. I am not very happy moving the camera manually while flying.
Good job Morris. It's better to see the nose when you will use the gyro to pan/tilt.

MorrisM
Nov 15, 2006, 05:11 PM
Good job Morris. It's better to see the nose when you will use the gyro to pan/tilt.
Thanks. The nose will be visable when I move the camera back. I can see how that would help with orientation.

PS, I forgot to mention my radio. I have the Futaba 9C Super. (9CF-FM)

andres.c
Nov 16, 2006, 09:22 PM
looks great when will the website be up ?

Jim Holloman
Nov 16, 2006, 10:12 PM
What is a "head-tracker"? I currently have no trouble keeping track of my head.

4mla1fn
Nov 16, 2006, 11:26 PM
see post #38 on this thread.

then this (http://tinyurl.com/egbqc)

kist2001
Nov 16, 2006, 11:52 PM
I'm in....paypal dont fail me now!

Bullrun54
Nov 17, 2006, 12:56 AM
Thanks for working on this Anthony!!

AnthonyRC
Nov 17, 2006, 06:54 AM
PCBs arrived from Bulgaria today! and they look beautiful!, photos to follow...

dklassen
Nov 18, 2006, 01:10 PM
I'm in too. Futaba 9CAP

SpeedyPetey
Nov 21, 2006, 11:30 PM
count me in, though I will have to finally bite the bullet and move up from a 4-ch Tx.....

VRflyer
Nov 22, 2006, 12:30 AM
I should receive the new gyroscope from Anthony this week, so I will give yo my comments about it very soon.

AnthonyRC
Nov 23, 2006, 05:09 PM
Just a quick update on progress, and couple of family photos :-)

Most of the parts have arrived, just waiting for one more box-o-bits (expected tomorrow). Boards look quite nice, everything fits, and works nicely.

I expect to have the store open (initially for the Futaba version) within a week, and other versions soon after (once testing is complete).

Happy Thanksgiving! (for our state-side friends)

hihptsi
Nov 23, 2006, 07:15 PM
Just a quick update on progress, and couple of family photos :-)

Most of the parts have arrived, just waiting for one more box-o-bits (expected tomorrow). Boards look quite nice, everything fits, and works nicely.

I expect to have the store open (initially for the Futaba version) within a week, and other versions soon after (once testing is complete).

Happy Thanksgiving! (for our state-side friends)


can you tell us a target price yet,id like to know what were looking at :)
very nice looking cant wait to get my hands on one.

AnthonyRC
Nov 23, 2006, 07:21 PM
As mentioned in the first post in this thread, I'm still targetting $150.

hihptsi
Nov 23, 2006, 07:56 PM
As mentioned in the first post in this thread, I'm still targetting $150.
i must of missed that.sounds good! cant wait to get it.

Take care
Walt

VRflyer
Nov 23, 2006, 11:39 PM
I receive the beta unit today, I will begin test tomorrow.

wac
Nov 24, 2006, 03:16 AM
i have a head tracking unit close to market,, but i would love to have a system like the one your talking about for as low of a cost as you suggest.... my system is diffrent from yours and im always up to use something that could be better. here is a video of my system

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593202

AnthonyRC
Nov 24, 2006, 03:59 AM
i have a head tracking unit close to market,, but i would love to have a system like the one your talking about for as low of a cost as you suggest.... my system is diffrent from yours and im always up to use something that could be better. here is a video of my system

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593202
Hi wac,
I saw your video, looks pretty cool, and I think I see how you did it :-), very clever.

It looks like future FPV pilots will have a nice range of choices in the near future, and that is a great thing for the hobby.

Cheers,
-- Anthony

4mla1fn
Nov 24, 2006, 05:59 PM
...and I think I see how you did it :-), very clever.
so what did you see that was clever? :) is that dangly thing from the pan/tilt assembly an antenna??

aaronredbaron
Nov 24, 2006, 06:10 PM
I am so excited about doing one of these setups! I have a futaba 9C and I want to make sure I am on the list to get one... I have everything else I need except a head mounted display, and I am really looking forward to getting a setup flying.

VRflyer
Nov 25, 2006, 12:15 AM
Flight test done. The Gyro from Anthony (AeroPix.ch) work very well. I will talk about it in detail tomorrow or Sunday. I will show photos, videos.
Congratulations Anthony, you have made a very good product :)

dklassen
Nov 26, 2006, 07:40 PM
Are you done yet? :D

VRflyer
Nov 26, 2006, 09:48 PM
I made severals flights with the new headtracker from Anthony. The TrackR1 can follow my head movements at any speed, the camera is only limitated by the servos speed. When my head move slowly, the movements of the cam is very linear, fluide, no step at all. With my pan servo modified to allow 180 deg, I turn my head completly on the left, like normally I will do onboard a real planes and I see my left wing clearly, giving the felling to be in a real planes. Tilt axis is good either.

Only one button for everything, but it work very well (like ESC programmation). Pressing it for three second enter the programmation mode. A lot of possibility like 4 gain setting on each axis, reverse on both axis, setting max. limits of servos deflection, choose any pan & tilt channel etc. This button also can be push for 1.5 sec for recalibration of the sensor, to do so, the headset must remain motionless And a brief push allow to recenter the cam in flight after drift of the sensor or the pilot moved.

The TrackR1 have a light drift meanning it should be recenter occasionnaly in flight depending on the calibration of the sensor before take-off. Expected recalibrate each 3 min, That will also depend on the sensor, all sensor are not identical. To recenter, I look straight and push briefly the button, it's very fast.

I received the Beta version, PCB inside is well made, I think production PCB have the same layout. Through hole components are use. The circuit is simple and light, it will not add a significant weight on the headset. High frequency tone can be heard when the TrackR1 is close to the ear cause by the internal clock. Also a buzzer emit light beeps when calibrating at power up or when in the programmation mode. A beep is also heard during flight when the gyro reach center, it could be usefull for peoples who don't see parts of the planes to help knowing when the cam is at center. For myself, I see the dashboard, this beep become irritating. It's not possible to shut off this option in the programmation ( I put a tape on the buzzer hole, it's lower...).

Overall, I'm very satisfy of this product. At $150, it's a good price, it will be hard to find a simpler/cheaper solution than this to detect movements of the head. Drift is really not a problem, don't care about it.

You can view a Demo video on Google video:
http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=4818153024380019083&hl=fr

It also possible to download a copy of my original there, but I never tried this site, can someone tell me if both link work ?
http://www.f-forge.com/?d=H4efahGzyBZM0wKdgbnD

kd7ost
Nov 26, 2006, 10:04 PM
Looks like a lot of fun. My kind of Toy. :D What transmitter does this plug in to?
The links work.

Dan

GoLikeaFish
Nov 26, 2006, 10:11 PM
Yep. Great look for a single's bar, too!

Canada Goose
Nov 26, 2006, 10:15 PM
VRFlyer...you scored!!!! Right between the uprights :D Wow, this is superb and great applications for AP work. Is the product for sale yet?

Mike

4mla1fn
Nov 26, 2006, 10:43 PM
vrflyer; nice review; really nice flying as always. (i took the leap and bought an easystar rtf; my first rc plane. lots of fun; lots to learn. a gyro is in my future for sure.)

VRflyer
Nov 26, 2006, 11:25 PM
VRFlyer...you scored!!!! Right between the uprights :D Wow, this is superb and great applications for AP work. Is the product for sale yet?

Mike

Thanks everyone, it was a real pleasure to made :)
Anthony will answer your questions.

philthyy
Nov 27, 2006, 02:02 AM
Yeah Vrflyer, cool review and good pics! This is definitely one of the coolest products I've seen in a long time! The price is what gets me excited...I can actually afford one! I've been flying FPV for two years now with my Slow Stick and just bought a Easystar...can't wait to put my camera on it and eventually get the head tracker! Gonna be so awesome!

AnthonyRC
Nov 27, 2006, 03:32 AM
Denis, I can't thank you enough, beautiful video, amazing flying, and a very honest review! The goal pass had me on the edge of my seat!.

So, for progress, these things will certainly be rolling out of here by the end of the week!. I'll open the store as soon as I can guarantee this. Best way to get notified is to sign up on the site (www.aeropix.ch/store), and I'll send out a newsletter as soon as it is live.

Just a couple of notes on Denis' review, the 'center clicks' will be selectable in a menu. I personally use them since I sling the pan/tilt mount under the nose of a slowstick, and it lets me know when I'm looking forwards (no dashboard to see).

The PCB shown was a prototype, pictures of the final boards can be found by scrolling back through this thread a little.

Again, many thanks Denis!

VRflyer
Nov 27, 2006, 06:53 AM
The PCB shown was a prototype, pictures of the final boards can be found by scrolling back through this thread a little.

Again, many thanks Denis!

Your welcome
the TrackR1 you send me is it the first one you made or you made another prototype before this one

AnthonyRC
Nov 27, 2006, 08:07 AM
Your welcome
the TrackR1 you send me is it the first one you made or you made another prototype before this one

There were several prototypes, a few friends have been working with them, althought none move quite as fast as you do :)

Just heard the news that the remainder of the parts arrived today :D

GoForBlackSky
Nov 27, 2006, 12:21 PM
Exciting stuff !!!

Couple questions: Will this work on a Futaba 6ch? What's all of the hardware in VRflyer's pics. Where does everything fit in the final flying setup? I thought it was just the gyro unit on the googles and the servos.

Does the unit come with documentation to help setup and program?

Thanks again, can't wait,

BlackSky

aaronredbaron
Nov 27, 2006, 12:28 PM
VR flyer- is the digital readout in your "cockpit" an altimiter? where did you get that? I am also curious about the transmitter and receiver you show in one of your pictures. Is that a video downlink or something else?

VRflyer
Nov 27, 2006, 01:46 PM
VR flyer- is the digital readout in your "cockpit" an altimiter? where did you get that? I am also curious about the transmitter and receiver you show in one of your pictures. Is that a video downlink or something else?
I received the TrackR1 from anthony with a video transmiter and a receiver, the tx and rx have nothing to do with the TrackR1, I will made an evaluation on them too later, sorry for the confusion.
The TrackR1 will not work with 6 channel Futaba radio, your trainer channel are not assignable.
For altimeter check here:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586796&highlight=altimeter

wavess
Nov 27, 2006, 02:39 PM
Very funny video Denis, you almost do a touchdown at the football field :)

Seems to be a soft device in response to the head movements.
Congrats Anthony

jochen
Nov 27, 2006, 04:53 PM
Hello VRflyer,

at first, thank your for your absolutly great work regarding FPV!!
Inspired by your videos, I started building an Easystar as well. Know I have a question before glueing the fuselage together. Where would you put the motor wires through? The upper red or the lower black way. I´m concerned about interferences regarding the BWAV transmiter, the esc and the rc-receiver.

It would be very kind, if you could help me with this question.

Thanks and keep one FPVing...

Jochen

Mr.Pibb
Nov 27, 2006, 08:29 PM
Will this work with a DX6 TX?

rob10000
Nov 27, 2006, 08:34 PM
Jochen, allow me to give you my opinion, as I also have an EZ* outfitted for FPV.
Since the airframe has to support the weight of the camera, video TX and TX battery, you should really try to the ESC and radio RX as far back as you can. This also gives you maximum seperation from the 2.4 TX.
Here's where I put my gear, accessable by hatches cut into the bottom of the fuselage.
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/23521542168.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3259549)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/28919583566.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3733649)

You need to add ventililation for the ESC, I used pushrod exits to duct air into the aft compartment. Pieces of plastic spoons would work well, too.

VRflyer
Nov 27, 2006, 11:37 PM
Exactly what I would recommend, push your ESC a little back, pass the wire in the center of the planes

jochen
Nov 28, 2006, 01:25 AM
Good morning,

thanks for your answers! I already thought about that solution, but was a little bit afraid of loosing stability by cutting holes into the bottom of the fuselage.
Another question, as I saw on your photos, you are using the Auvisio Cyberman goggles. I´ve read, that the angle of view is a little bit limited and therefore the virtual size of the picture is relatively small. The other, but unfortunatelly more expensive solution would be the z800 from emagin. What do you think?

Best regards
Jochen

VRflyer
Nov 28, 2006, 09:24 AM
I buy a new headset presently, I choose this one
http://www.futurehobbies.com/items_detail.asp?item=82

Mr.Pibb
Nov 28, 2006, 10:16 AM
I buy a new headset presently, I choose this one
http://www.futurehobbies.com/items_detail.asp?item=82

The viewing angle isn't very wide on that setup, is it? I don't know how that compares to other displays. Wouldn't it make it more "immersive" if the viewing angle of the camera matched the viewing angle of the display? That way there wouldn't be any perceivable "distortion" of the image, it should look natural.

Canada Goose
Nov 28, 2006, 10:30 AM
Can someone give me a brief explanation how this set up all works? Not so much the hows of the head tracker but how it all hooks up via the radio TX etc.

Cheers

MIke

VRflyer
Nov 28, 2006, 11:40 AM
Can someone give me a brief explanation how this set up all works? Not so much the hows of the head tracker but how it all hooks up via the radio TX etc.

Cheers

MIke
The gyro is plug in the trainer port, you already know that. The photo of my setup you saw in my videos, the headset is plug in the trainer port, Futaba trainer plug whas modified, battery was replaced with higher capacity, switch as been replaced etc...
I think I was wrong to modifed my radio, I already heard we can't modified radio on 72 MHZ, is it wright or wrong?
I have my Amateur radio licence. I'm electronic technicien.

VRflyer
Nov 28, 2006, 11:44 AM
The viewing angle isn't very wide on that setup, is it? I don't know how that compares to other displays. Wouldn't it make it more "immersive" if the viewing angle of the camera matched the viewing angle of the display? That way there wouldn't be any perceivable "distortion" of the image, it should look natural.
Effectively, viewing angle is too small, it will be equivalent to the headset I use presently.
I would like a headset with 640 x 480 with wide viewing angle, but I don't know which can offer that. Z800 is designed for computer, you can't plug your video receiver in it.

AnthonyRC
Nov 28, 2006, 11:56 AM
Can someone give me a brief explanation how this set up all works? Not so much the hows of the head tracker but how it all hooks up via the radio TX etc.

Cheers

MIke

It kinda works like this... (yeah, I know I don't have an artistic bone in my body :-)