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infinityhobby
Oct 14, 2006, 04:31 PM
The world first!!! You don't need to wait local dealer. Go to www.infinity-hobby.com
New product, EMI P-38, not only foam, just like real.


http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/P-38.files/P-38.jpg
Forked Tail Devil 4-6 CH. 1/15 scale WWII Warbird
Wing Span: 106.0cm (41.7")
Wing area: 15.0dm^2 (232.5 sq.in.)
Approx weight: 600.0 - 850.0g (21.2 - 30.0 oz.)

Include: two 370 gearbox -, two 8.5x 8 Prop. & spare parts.

Main parts of the plane are made of "Industrial grade foam" with all parts pre-installed.
All sub-Assembly parts are module, put together easily by screw driver only, no glue needed, very easy for repair & service, Dis/Assembly, storage & carry.

The Story:

During the WW II, Lockheed developed and produced the P-38 "Lightning" as a high altitude long range fighter for US Army Air Corps. Since the first day this unique plane join the combat mission, for all Luftwaffe pilots, she is the devil from the sky, “The Forked Tail Devil" soon became the nickname of this super fighter by the Luftwaffe pilots.

The Model:

EMI re-produce the 1/15th scale model "Forked Tail Devil" in Taiwan, not only do the replica of her beautiful shape, also re-built up the spirit of original creator with new concept , new technology in model industry.

1. With the new production procedure & technology developed by EMI, all the plastic parts & re-enforced carbon rods, pipes for electric & control systems are pre-installed "inside and merged with the foam material", just like they are born together naturally. This make the airplane structure stronger, better in looking and easy for assembly. After install the servos, motors, landing gears..... with screwdriver, the assembly is almost done. Quick! Simple! Precise! No sticky glue work and no time waiting.

2. The most disaster of a foam plane are the spots of steam holes everywhere on the airframe surface, but we change this today. With new technology of molding, the EMI has removed & hided all of them, on the final assembled "Forked Tail Devil" surface, you won't see any small spot of steam hole appear. No any! The surface is beautiful on the top side as well as the bottom side.

3. We re-built up all the details of this beautiful airplane, the canopy frame, back mirror, nose, gun, engine cowling, turbo charger, wheel and wheel door..... even fine detail ex.: gun shell exit outlet, formation lights, airbrake, storage case..... she is truly a flyable static model.

4. Due to the great power weight ratio and perfect aerodynamic design, the airplane is so easy to control, fly precisely, maneuverable, in fast or slow move. There are hinges pre-installed inside the left rudder & fin too, with upgrade package and 10 minutes simple work , the rudder control function can be added on immediately. Steering nose gear system is included as a standard function and whole construction is hind inside the nose gear well just like the real thing.

5. All the parts are designed as module, use only 6~8 screws to disassemble the whole plane for carry or re-assemble back to fly. More over, due to all the parts are joint together by plastic joints & screws only, replacing the damaged parts become so easy. No cutting! No glue! Maintenance of keeping your beauty fresh is no more a nightmare.

6. Special water base decal, is very alike to a tattoo sticker, very easy to apply on the airframe and has no weight add. It matches to every curve, shape, line of the airframe naturally! you may pick up your favorite number digital & color to decorate your plane to create your personal color scheme.
http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/Temp%20Files/Insert%20Part.jpg
http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/Temp%20Files/Pipe.jpg
http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/Temp%20Files/Detail%20in%20scale.jpg
http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/Temp%20Files/Cowling.jpg
http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/Temp%20Files/Beautiful%20foam.jpg
http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/Temp%20Files/Dis-Assembly.jpg
http://www.enjoymodel.com/img/Temp%20Files/Performance.jpg


More information
www.infinity-hobby.com


K
Infinity Hobby

gunracer
Oct 15, 2006, 04:35 AM
still no price?

claybuster
Oct 15, 2006, 05:35 AM
Maybe the amount of interest in this model will determine the price. Lets act like we don't care about it and maybe the price will stay low hehe.

infinityhobby
Oct 15, 2006, 07:40 AM
still no price?
Price
P38 with color (silver) and ES-350 Brushed motor gear system x 2 USD$99
P38 without color, with ES-350 Brushed motor gear system x 2 USD$84
P38 with color (silver), without power system. USD$84
Pe8 without color and power system. USD$69

NOTE: those price are not final.

Brushless power combo is parparing.

K
www.infinity-hobby.com

infinityhobby
Oct 15, 2006, 08:13 AM
Many people ask me why brushed motor, not brushless!?
Because the ES-350 Brushed motor gear system run with 3Cell Lipo take 10A current of each. Twin engine total take 20A. The performance of 350 motor is about 60%, general 300 size B/L motor is about 70%.~75%.
The fly weight of EMI P38 is about 650g, so, the only choice of battery pack is around 1500mA 3Cell LiPo. Usually, normal 1500mAh LiPo can offer less than 20A continuous.
If your airplane is single engine park fly, the best choice is B/L motor, because the max current of 350 is only 10A in 3 Cell LiPo. It's only 100W input. But B/L motor can offer over 150W (15A) and still less than the limit of battery.
Output: 60W VS 112.5W.
However, P-38 is twin engine park fly. The limit is from battery. Same 200W power take, 60% compare with 70%~ 75% performances. The output is 120W VS 150W.
But we compare the price of two different setting. Two brushed system with ESC is about $35, two brushless systems with ESC cost about $100.
mmm..........So.......How you feel.

K
Infinity Hobby

Tommy D
Oct 15, 2006, 10:40 AM
Am I correct, it looks like shipping 1 P-38 to the USA will cost between 20-$25 US dollars?

So that puts this little foam job with no power system over $90 Us Dollars?

Kinda expensive IMOH.

Tommy D

K do you have a photo to show how the motors are to be mounted? Is it a GWS style stick mount?

infinityhobby
Oct 15, 2006, 11:29 AM
Am I correct, it looks like shipping 1 P-38 to the USA will cost between 20-$25 US dollars?

So that puts this little foam job with no power system over $90 Us Dollars?

Kinda expensive IMOH.

Tommy D

K do you have a photo to show how the motors are to be mounted? Is it a GWS style stick mount?

Trust me, that's not like any foam model you bought before. The newest tech of P-38 I promise you never see.
About the price, That's not the final price. Maybe I will offer free shipping special or discount....

Thanks

K
Infinity Hobby

infinityhobby
Oct 15, 2006, 11:49 AM
Brushed power for P-38.
http://www.dropshots.com/photos/178098/20060928/124045.jpg
Brushless power for P-38
http://www.dropshots.com/photos/178098/20060930/104331.jpg
I will sell the wood motor mount along for direct drive B/L motor.

K
Infinity Hobby

Tommy D
Oct 15, 2006, 12:35 PM
K

Thank you for your photos.

I would be interested in a No paint/power system model. I would hope you will include the mount/standoff in the no power system P-38. The reason to order one without a motor is to use a pair of my own. Having a set of mounts avail with the kit would be very nice.

Free shipping to the USA! Now THATS a way for sure to sell me one!

Tommy D

infinityhobby
Oct 15, 2006, 12:54 PM
K

Thank you for your photos.

I would be interested in a No paint/power system model. I would hope you will include the mount/standoff in the no power system P-38. The reason to order one without a motor is to use a pair of my own. Having a set of mounts avail with the kit would be very nice.

Free shipping to the USA! Now THATS a way for sure to sell me one!

Tommy D

Thanks for your suggestion, I will check it with EMI co., If the mount is ready and cost OK, I will include it.

K
Infinity Hobby

infinityhobby
Oct 15, 2006, 12:56 PM
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/download/P38manua_photol.zip
EMI P-38 Photo for menual.

K
Infinity Hobby

Thomas B
Oct 15, 2006, 08:38 PM
Those clear plastic brushed drive sustems look very close to those really bad drives like Megatech used to push...:(

Nice job on the model kit, though.

Tommy D
Oct 15, 2006, 08:39 PM
Those clear plastic brushed drive sustems look very close to those really bad drives like Megatech used to push...:(



I was thinking they look like the ones in the Sig line of WWI parkflyers.

Those don't exactly thrill me either.

Tommy D

infinityhobby
Oct 16, 2006, 02:55 AM
User menual
pdf format http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/download/EM-381-manual-E.pdf
jpg format http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/download/EM-381-manual-E.rar
Video
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/download/Forked-Tail-Devil.wmv

J.E. Johnson
Oct 16, 2006, 07:28 AM
You have gotten my attention!!!! Are you going to offer the same shipping deal the Australia?

infinityhobby
Oct 16, 2006, 10:39 AM
You have gotten my attention!!!! Are you going to offer the same shipping deal the Australia?

I have checked the weight of this product. Included packing, total about 2.7Kg :eek: :eek:
Because the box is too large, it need "very well packing" !!
The shipping cost for EMS will be $40 to North America/Europe or $27 to Asia (include Astralia).
That's a bad news, but the goods news is I will cover "most" shipping fee.

I there are few pecs in stock. Please keep watch my shop.

K
Infinity hobby

chewytm
Oct 16, 2006, 12:46 PM
Hi I am from Malaysia. How much would the shipping charges be to Malaysia after your subsidy? How much would you subsidise? I hope the charges will not be USD27 :eek: , because if it is, then I would not be interested.

I would hope that you would include the plywood motor mount. :D

Regards,
chewy

Bob Cosby
Oct 16, 2006, 07:19 PM
Very nice looking model - and the P-38 is my favorite WWII Warbird. I'll be following this thread (and any others on this model) closely.

Bob

ronin4740
Oct 16, 2006, 07:58 PM
I'm subscribed as well. Looking forward to purchasing the kit if shipping to the US doesn't put it out of my range price wise.

robmoll
Oct 16, 2006, 08:34 PM
Ya - This is a great looking plane. I'm very interested.

I fly a micro-heli and a SS. Do you think this is an appropriate "second plane". My 4-channel experience is with the helicopter.

whadayathink?

Bob Cosby
Oct 16, 2006, 08:51 PM
I'm not an expert, but I highly recommend going with something more forgiving than a warbird for your second plane. An aileron trainer of some sort perhaps. My 2nd plane was a Carl Goldberg Eagle 400 (w/Park 400 Outrunner). I learned a lot on it, and have another that I fly now with floats.

Best of luck.
Bob

robmoll
Oct 16, 2006, 09:06 PM
I was afraid that was going to be the answer. I guess i just wanted someone to point out the obvious. But, I will one day own this plane!

Be careful over there - see ya in April!

Rob (Former Huey crewchief/doorgunner)

shschon
Oct 16, 2006, 10:09 PM
Trust me, that's not like any foam model you bought before. The newest tech of P-38 I promise you never see.
About the price, That's not the final price. Maybe I will offer free shipping special or discount....

Thanks

K
Infinity Hobby

Free shipping special gets my buy for sure! Maybe I would even buy several for such a special. :)

ronin4740
Oct 16, 2006, 10:51 PM
I was afraid that was going to be the answer. I guess i just wanted someone to point out the obvious. But, I will one day own this plane!

Be careful over there - see ya in April!

Rob (Former Huey crewchief/doorgunner)


Buy it now but buy an aileron trainer at the same time. Put this on the shelf and build/fly the aileron trainer. Build the P-38 when you feel comfortable flying the aileron trainer or on days when weather prohibits you flying but you have the time.

That way you have it waiting, pushing you to learn to fly ailerons :)

...And... whatever you do... do not succumb to the idea of flying it before you're ready!!! :)

infinityhobby
Oct 17, 2006, 02:59 PM
EMI P-38 Forked Tail Devil is available.
www.infinity-hobby.com
I offer a good deal for International Express shpping!
The total weight of this product with packing is about 2.7Kg.
Now, you only need to pay 1kg Shipping fee!!!

Original shipping cost is about $40, now, you only $20 (North America)
to Asia, the original cost is about $27, now, only $16.

K
www.infinity-hobby.com

shschon
Oct 17, 2006, 05:45 PM
EMI P-38 Forked Tail Devil is available.
www.infinity-hobby.com
I offer a good deal for International Express shpping!
The total weight of this product with packing is about 2.7Kg.
Now, you only need to pay 1kg Shipping fee!!!

Original shipping cost is about $40, now, you only $20 (North America)
to Asia, the original cost is about $27, now, only $16.

K
www.infinity-hobby.com

That is good price. Now how about twin brushless package version or package that includes brushless motor mounts?

Tommy D
Oct 17, 2006, 06:00 PM
My question is does the no power system come with those lazer cut wood mounts you showed before?

The shipping is fair, but expect to take some flack over the PayPal fee.

Tommy D

ronin4740
Oct 17, 2006, 06:18 PM
Order in!

infinityhobby
Oct 19, 2006, 09:12 AM
That is good price. Now how about twin brushless package version or package that includes brushless motor mounts?

Hello
Twin brushless motors type will be released in few weeks later, because EMI is still looking for good performance and cheap B/L motor.
K
Infinity Hobby

Tommy D
Oct 19, 2006, 09:16 AM
My question is does the no power system come with those lazer cut wood mounts you showed before?

If Not, can I order them seperatly?

ronin4740
Oct 19, 2006, 12:55 PM
Tommy,

I was curious about this as well. I was hoping to get the mounts so that I could convert to brushless somewhere down the road if I wanted to. Here's his response from email:



sorry about that, the mount is unavailable now.
So, I only have picture either.
I have check with Enjoy Model Co. The motor mount probably will not sell along.



Am guessing that the motor mounts come with the brushless motors and aren't currently sold separately.

Chris

J.E. Johnson
Oct 20, 2006, 04:26 AM
Well K, (Infinity Hobbies)

I have ordered one. You really sold me with the reduced freight cost. the plane looks awesome, I am looking forward to seeing it. I feel very much like a guinea pig though!!!!

Tommy D
Oct 20, 2006, 07:41 AM
Thanks Chris.

I just dumped too many $$$ on a few other kits I really wanted. With my GWS 38 paid for already <waiting on Tower Hobbies now> this wonderful little P-38 is on the backburner.

Please when they start to show up guys someone do a build thread and change my mind!

Tommy D

ronin4740
Oct 20, 2006, 01:44 PM
Tommy,

I'll do a build thread with pictures if all of you will promise NOT to comment on the untidy nature of my work bench ;) The table that the significant other allows me to keep in the garage to build on is not ideal for the task but I make it work some how...

K (Infinity Hobbies) sent me email today to let me know that the P-38 has shipped and also that he's just received a stock of brushless motors and mounts. I believe he has enough of the mounts that he can now sell them separately and have inquired about them as I would very much like to convert this plane to brushless at some point in the future. Am thinking the Little Devil Screamers, Purple Peril motor would be a nice motor for this plane. If anyone has other suggestions for brushless power I'm open to them!

Chris

(p.s. I also have pre-ordered a GWS38 from my LHS. Am interested in comparing the two models side by side for looks and flight performance ;) )

infinityhobby
Oct 20, 2006, 03:45 PM
Hello guys! I have check with EMI Co. They will release B/L power set earlier. (1~3 working days). The power set will include EMI BLS 2629-10-1000KV motor and laser cut wood mount.
About the question: Can I sell the mount or B/L motor separately!? The answer is "YES". :p
Thanks
K
Infinity-hobby.com

infinityhobby
Oct 20, 2006, 03:54 PM
Well K, (Infinity Hobbies)

I have ordered one. You really sold me with the reduced freight cost. the plane looks awesome, I am looking forward to seeing it. I feel very much like a guinea pig though!!!!

I am glade to know you are satisfy my service.
Thanks

K
Infinity Hobby.

Tommy D
Oct 20, 2006, 10:43 PM
Tommy,

I'll do a build thread with pictures if all of you will promise NOT to comment on the untidy nature of my work bench ;) The table that the significant other allows me to keep in the garage to build on is not ideal for the task but I make it work some how...



Chris

Thats a deal!

I moved in with my GF last year. Things are VERY tight here compared to where I used to live. Much of my model assembly is done of on the floor of all places!

Just started a build thread (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585985) myself, and the GWS P-38 is next.

I would love to read a few builds on this one though, nice looking model.

On my GWS 38 I plan to use 2 AXI 2212-20's and either 1 2100 3S PL or 2 1320 3S PL packs. Depending on how this smaller 38 balances the LS motors might make an excellant choice indeed!

Noticed there for sale on E-Bay now too.

Good Luck!!

Tommy D

chewytm
Oct 21, 2006, 02:57 AM
Hello guys! I have check with EMI Co. They will release B/L power set earlier. (1~3 working days). The power set will include EMI BLS 2629-10-1000KV motor and laser cut wood mount.
About the question: Can I sell the mount or B/L motor separately!? The answer is "YES". :p
Thanks
K
Infinity-hobby.com


Good thing I had a look before ordering. I want the brushless set up with a spare set of motor mount, just in case. What are the prices like for the brushless set and the the separate motor mounts?

chewy

f-22 maniac
Oct 22, 2006, 08:48 PM
combo on the plane and the brushless please!

infinityhobby
Oct 23, 2006, 02:12 PM
Power System with ESC comob for EMI P-38
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=628
more selections, please check www.infinity-hobby.com
Thanks
K
Infinity Hobby.

chewytm
Oct 23, 2006, 02:27 PM
Hi,

Don't you have a total combo price for this? Right now, with the 2 x motor you are almost double what GWS is selling theirs for with the 2208 outrunners. How about getting the factory to package them at a more attractive price?

Regards,

chewy

shschon
Oct 23, 2006, 09:36 PM
Power System with ESC comob for EMI P-38
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=628
more selections, please check www.infinity-hobby.com
Thanks
K
Infinity Hobby.


Do we have to drill out the prop hole ourselves? I know the EMI 8.5x8 prop hole is either 3mm or 4mm stock and the prop adaptor usually require 5mm or larger prop hole.

shschon
Oct 23, 2006, 09:39 PM
Hi,

Don't you have a total combo price for this? Right now, with the 2 x motor you are almost double what GWS is selling theirs for with the 2208 outrunners. How about getting the factory to package them at a more attractive price?

Regards,

chewy


Please note that GWS combo does NOT include ANY brushless ESCs while this package includes TWO 25 Amp Brushless ESCs which accounts for much of the price difference. Also note that the motors included are of very different quality. You get what you pay for.

chewytm
Oct 24, 2006, 04:39 AM
Please note that GWS combo does NOT include ANY brushless ESCs while this package includes TWO 25 Amp Brushless ESCs which accounts for much of the price difference. Also note that the motors included are of very different quality. You get what you pay for.


Actually, I am only adding USD59 to the USD84 to get USD143 (also without the ESC). This is then similar to the GWS with the two 2208 in setup. Not sure about the quality or power of this EMI motor, though.

So, at USD143, it is almost 2X the USD89 offered by GWS! (Diff of USD54)

So, Infinity, any more discounted price from EMI for a package deal? Your plane looks nicer, but it is smaller, after all. The setup and construction is much simpler. Not sure about stronger, though.

chewy

Edit: Should have used the USD84 NPS set (not the USD99 set) for comparison.

shschon
Oct 25, 2006, 05:52 AM
Actually, I am only adding USD59 to the USD84 to get USD143 (also without the ESC). This is then similar to the GWS with the two 2208 in setup. Not sure about the quality or power of this EMI motor, though.

So, at USD143, it is almost 2X the USD89 offered by GWS! (Diff of USD54)

So, Infinity, any more discounted price from EMI for a package deal? Your plane looks nicer, but it is smaller, after all. The setup and construction is much simpler. Not sure about stronger, though.

chewy

Edit: Should have used the USD84 NPS set (not the USD99 set) for comparison.


GWS price on epyaya is $89.95 practically $90. To be near twice that should be $180, $143 is far from "almost twice".
In fact, 143/90=1.59.

I wonder why don't you compare the price of Flying Styro P-38, whose price varies from $190~$210 at Hobby-Lobby and it does not even come with ANY MOTOR!

We need to pay for quality. GWS kit can be a good plane, but only after you pay more in time and money to customize it yourself. When you consider the time and money you have to invest in order to make a GWS kit look as good and fly as well as the EMI plane the price difference is really small or even can be reversed. This is especially true for beginners who do not yet have the tools and parts needed to do the modifications.

infinityhobby
Oct 25, 2006, 12:21 PM
Hello, guys..I can't offer more discount for EMI power system, because the performance and quality is much batter than others.
But I am still looking for a cheaper soluction. Now, I finded some China made 400 size outrunner B/L motors and 20A B/L ESC's. The price for 2 motor + 2 ESC will around $70~80.
The new combo selection will list on my shop soon.
K
Infinity Hobby

chewytm
Oct 25, 2006, 08:09 PM
Hello, guys..I can't offer more discount for EMI power system, because the performance and quality is much batter than others.
But I am still looking for a cheaper soluction. Now, I finded some China made 400 size outrunner B/L motors and 20A B/L ESC's. The price for 2 motor + 2 ESC will around $70~80.
The new combo selection will list on my shop soon.
K
Infinity Hobby

Cheaper but hopefully good enough quality? Not the bell-shaped BM-2410-09 kind of thing, I hope. Those are very bad. I had to take apart the motor to resolder all wires at the windings and also at the connectors! Quality and performance and, of course, a good price.

chewy

shschon
Oct 25, 2006, 10:13 PM
Cheaper but hopefully good enough quality? Not the bell-shaped BM-2410-09 kind of thing, I hope. Those are very bad. I had to take apart the motor to resolder all wires at the windings and also at the connectors! Quality and performance and, of course, a good price.

chewy


If you think GWS motors are good then just buy the $84 EMI kit and add two GWS 001 outrunners yourself. I saw them as low as $13 a piece so with 2 GWS 001 motors you arrive at a price of $110, only $20 more than the GWS price.

chewytm
Oct 25, 2006, 10:55 PM
If you think GWS motors are good then just buy the $84 EMI kit and add two GWS 001 outrunners yourself. I saw them as low as $13 a piece so with 2 GWS 001 motors you arrive at a price of $110, only $20 more than the GWS price.


My, you seem very defensive of EMI. Are you related to EMI or Infiniti?

I DON'T think the GWS motors are that particularly great. The are cheap, but powerful enough, but the metal is soft and the shaft bends too easily. I have stripped the screws threads on most of the screw holes of my 002 motor and it is now just a paper-weight on my desk.

I am just trying to get the best deal possible. Is that so bad? Unless, of course, if you are related to EMI or Infiniti, perhaps?...

chewy

shschon
Oct 25, 2006, 11:21 PM
My, you seem very defensive of EMI. Are you related to EMI or Infiniti?

I DON'T think the GWS motors are that particularly great. The are cheap, but powerful enough, but the metal is soft and the shaft bends too easily. I have stripped the screws threads on most of the screw holes of my 002 motor and it is now just a paper-weight on my desk.

I am just trying to get the best deal possible. Is that so bad? Unless, of course, if you are related to EMI or Infiniti, perhaps?...

chewy


No I am NOT related to either EMI or Infinity hobby. I just do not want to see companies be discouraged from making good quality kits like this P-38. It is really rare to see a company really do their homework to make every detail as scale as possible, put in very good engineering design to make it easy to assemble and disassemble, yet the price is not rediculous like FSK kits (the kit are just piles of parts you have to do most of the modeling yourself).
GWS is a good kit in its own class but they sacrifice too much scale for my taste and plus their kit usually needs custom changes to address some critical issues. There are more and more companies, notably from China, which are flooding the market with low price kits but usually does not care about scale detail at all. I would like to see that the very few companies that do care about scale detail can survive and put out more kits for us.

Tommy D
Oct 25, 2006, 11:27 PM
shschon

Have you ever held this Kit in your hands?

infinityhobby
Oct 26, 2006, 12:10 PM
Hello, shschon say is true. I don't know who he is, but I must say thank you.
About EMI P-38, the boss is my friend. He is the most punctilious man I know. I know most designer of Taiwan model company they how to design their airplanes. The boss of EMI really spends many many times to take care every detail as scale as possible. I don't want to compare the p-38 with other similar products. Because they are different...
Trust me, they are different....you should own it, and then you will know what I say.

K
Infinity Hobby

chewytm
Oct 26, 2006, 01:41 PM
Hello, shschon say is true. I don't know who he is, but I must say thank you.
About EMI P-38, the boss is my friend. He is the most punctilious man I know. I know most designer of Taiwan model company they how to design their airplanes. The boss of EMI really spends many many times to take care every detail as scale as possible. I don't want to compare the p-38 with other similar products. Because they are different...
Trust me, they are different....you should own it, and then you will know what I say.

K
Infinity Hobby

Ok, well, let us know the best deal you have on the P-38 with a reasonable good and reliable motor. Definitely not the BM2410-09! I had to resolder the *#@^% wiring again tonite! It just came apart in flight and the motor almost did not have enough power to bring the plane back. I had soldered it the nite before. And, yes, I did scrape off the enamel from the winding wires. The wires just broke off at the solder joints.

So, what do you have now? I do agree that your model looks great and appears to fly great from the video. Btw, any way to add retracts to the kit?


chewy

Phoenex
Oct 28, 2006, 10:56 PM
Hello, guys..I can't offer more discount for EMI power system, because the performance and quality is much batter than others.
But I am still looking for a cheaper soluction. Now, I finded some China made 400 size outrunner B/L motors and 20A B/L ESC's. The price for 2 motor + 2 ESC will around $70~80.
The new combo selection will list on my shop soon.
K
Infinity Hobby

Please don't drop the EMI quaility motors. Most of us understand that higher quaility is the way to go and don't mind paying for it. You can look at the posts about the TowerPro motors as a prime example of you get what you pay for. Frankly, if the motors are as good as you say they are, I think they would be a great buy. Do you know if the brushless motor pairs that you sell for the EMI-P38 are matched pairs? I have already seen one report of identical GWS brushless motors that when tested showed different rpms under load. I can see where this would be a big issue for twin motor planes.

Matt Halton
Oct 30, 2006, 12:29 AM
I have studied the GWS P-38 on this forum and this one-the EMI offering is far superior in presentation and detailing.
As for trying to nail prices lower,it was not that long ago that ARF .40 size gassers were £180 or above (roughly $350) The quality was poor by today's standards (I know, I bought one)
Now that was 1992, so factor in inflation and it's horribly expensive.

So give him a break guys,this looks like a quality piece of work,asking for cheap crap motors is no use either,and I think what they are already offering is cheap,hell, he has even subsidised the shipping costs too.
I think it is worth every penny,and mine has been ordered.So guys, please stop trying to rob him blind huh? :)

Matt

hasselblad7
Oct 31, 2006, 09:57 PM
You mentioned in your first posts that you designed the brushed system because of the battery limitations. What battery do you recommend with your new B/L power system?

infinityhobby
Nov 02, 2006, 01:08 PM
You mentioned in your first posts that you designed the brushed system because of the battery limitations. What battery do you recommend with your new B/L power system?

http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=651

K
Infinity Hobby

infinityhobby
Nov 02, 2006, 04:42 PM
Lo price Power System.
20A ESC $15.87 http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=679
1000KV B/L Motor $19.68 http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=678
I will make combo for P-38. The price will lower than buy separately.
I have test those products, the quality is batter than other company similar level product.
I think the product is the soluction for "Quality vs Price" problem
K
Infinity Hobby

hasselblad7
Nov 03, 2006, 12:48 PM
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=651

K
Infinity Hobby


Thanks for adding the battery for the p-38 to your website yesterday, I bought it. Also thanks for adding a brushless combo system for the p-38 a few days before, I bought that too. Oh and thanks for subsidizing the overseas shipping. And of course thanks for bringing a great looking P-38 to the market, I bought it all in one inexpensive purchase! I got my order confirmation already, and I'm excited for it to arrive!
Way to go on your customer service!

Art Newland
Nov 03, 2006, 02:52 PM
Is anyone flying one of these yet? Was curious to the AUW. It's hardly larger than the Guillows P-38. This model seems just the right size for DIY cdrom motor conversions. My friends Guillow's P-38 flys very nice at 19 oz on two 70 watt motors and 3S-1320 TP lipo. I have a GWS P-38 on BO at Horizon, but figure you can't have too many P-38's? 8^)

Larry's Guillows P-38 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7287233790426983362&hl=en)

Tommy D
Nov 03, 2006, 07:48 PM
Is anyone flying one of these yet? [/URL]

Art, check the "other" EMI Thread

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6318813&postcount=228

I had thought about a pair of "little screamer" motors myself for small CD rom type performance. Don't think your going to get one of these in at 19ozs though.

Tommy D