Re: 3 motors in three months..........I'm on a roll!

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"DanTXD" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Bad luck on the engine dude - sounds like that trug is jinxed - get shot
> and get one of those new Kyosho ones ;-)
>
> --
> Dan - on his PC

Dude, those have been my exact thoughts for the past few months! The new
ST-R's are BADDASS! Pricey though!

Doc

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Damn...that's alot of fuel Doc.
hmmm...what goes faster, the nitro fuel or the beer?

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> Damn...that's alot of fuel Doc.
> hmmm...what goes faster, the nitro fuel or the beer?

The beer <thankfully> as it's alot cheaper. When my buds and I bash, we'll
run them for 1.5-2.0 hours nonstop, which equals about two quarts of fuel (4
fuel bottles worth), so two good bash sessions and I've drained a gallon.
When I practice at the track I'll run em' for about an hour and a half so
1.5 quarts there as well.

I actually looked into mixing up my own fuel, which on paper would save me a
bundle, except for the bloody HAZMAT charges on the methanol and
nitromethane which make it about even.

Just broke in the new Mach 427 this evening. Ran three tanks thru her (heat
cycled) and she's just about ready for the final tune!

Doc

[Qwerty]

""Doc"" <hmmmm@nahhhh.net> wrote in message
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> <g20zoom@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Damn...that's alot of fuel Doc.
> > hmmm...what goes faster, the nitro fuel or the beer?
>
> The beer <thankfully> as it's alot cheaper. When my buds and I bash,
we'll
> run them for 1.5-2.0 hours nonstop, which equals about two quarts of fuel
(4
> fuel bottles worth), so two good bash sessions and I've drained a gallon.
> When I practice at the track I'll run em' for about an hour and a half so
> 1.5 quarts there as well.
>
> I actually looked into mixing up my own fuel, which on paper would save me
a
> bundle, except for the bloody HAZMAT charges on the methanol and
> nitromethane which make it about even.
>
> Just broke in the new Mach 427 this evening. Ran three tanks thru her
(heat
> cycled) and she's just about ready for the final tune!
>
What do you need to make your own nitro? Come on spill the secrets.

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"Qwerty" <nope.sorry@not.this.time.com> wrote in message
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> What do you need to make your own nitro? Come on spill the secrets.

No secret really. You need:

1. Methanol
2. Nitromethane
3. Lube package (Klotz is a big one)

All three need to be mixed according to the nitro/oil %'s you want.

Doc

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"Dre" <ausjules1977@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Do you know if you can get a Nova head for the sportwerks?? (I cant have
> a *blue* engine head in my black/silver/purple savage :)
>
> Cheers Dre

I have one installed on my Savage right now. I did have it installed on my
Mayhem ST before, but when she puked I swapped it over to the Savage. The
Mach 427 is broken in and tuned. Much different engine than the SWK .26,
given that internally they're almost identical aside from the porting. It's
not quite as ballsy as the SWK .26 IMO, but it might just be the pipe. I'm
gunna slap an HPI polished jobbie oh her sometime soon and give her a run.

Doc

[Dre]

""Doc"" <hmmmm@nahhhh.net> wrote in message
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> "Dre" <ausjules1977@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Do you know if you can get a Nova head for the sportwerks?? (I cant have
>> a *blue* engine head in my black/silver/purple savage :)
>>
>> Cheers Dre
>
> I have one installed on my Savage right now. I did have it installed on
> my Mayhem ST before, but when she puked I swapped it over to the Savage.
> The Mach 427 is broken in and tuned. Much different engine than the SWK
> .26, given that internally they're almost identical aside from the
> porting. It's not quite as ballsy as the SWK .26 IMO, but it might just
> be the pipe. I'm gunna slap an HPI polished jobbie oh her sometime soon
> and give her a run.
>
> Doc
>
>
>
Righto, well I'm watching a new sportwerks .26 on ebay atm, ends in 6 days,
if it stays cheap I'll pick it up along with a Nova head.

Get this, I got a polished pipe from Tower last week. It arrrived but it
has a dent in the side. I emailled Tower and said, how do I return for
refund, they told me to throw it out, they'll send a replacement airmail!
How cool is that? I'm certainly most happy with that!

Cheers Dre

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"Dre" <ausjules1977@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Actually I've been meaning to ask this for ages. If you buy a new motor
> is it recommended to run it in first *before* plopping one of these Nova
> heads on?? (purely due to it being easier to get to temp with a stock
> head). Or doesn't it make any diff...
>
> Cheers Dre

I always break em' in with the stock head for the reasons you list above,
then swap em' out for the final tune.

Doc

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""Doc"" <hmmmm@nahhhh.net> wrote in message
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> "Dre" <ausjules1977@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Actually I've been meaning to ask this for ages. If you buy a new motor
>> is it recommended to run it in first *before* plopping one of these Nova
>> heads on?? (purely due to it being easier to get to temp with a stock
>> head). Or doesn't it make any diff...
>>
>> Cheers Dre
>
> I always break em' in with the stock head for the reasons you list above,
> then swap em' out for the final tune.
>
> Doc
Good stuff. I only have to wait 6 days now, LOL!

Hmmm, I might go and *kill* the k46 then, should be fun :)

Cheers Dre

[M78Ultra]

> > Yes, I have always broke the motor in with the factory head and pipe
> > before
> > adding the upgrades.
> > I don't see any reason to do it any other way as you wouldn't see the
gain
> > (or loss) in performance as opposed to the factory setup.
> > And yes, the Nova Head would keep your temps down more so your heat
cycle
> > might not fair as well.
> > HTH
> >
> > PS.. If there is a Best Offer option on the Nova head..email the seller
> > and
> > see what the best deal is and save a few $.
> >
> Nice, thats what I was thinking...
>
> Well I'm starting to get a bit excited about the potential engine upgrade
:)
>
> I think the head did have a best offer so I'll give it a try, worst case I
> pay the auction price (which is still quite reasonable)
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> What do you run in your Savage btw??
>
> Cheers Dre
>

I have a Nova Pro Race Head on the factory .25 with a CVEC adjustable tuned
pipe on the Savage.

Just installed a Nova Head and same CVEC pipe on my new Ofna Ravager
Force.28 after I broke it in and ran it for a couple of tanks after break
in...Haven't got to run it yet with the new stuff 'cause of rain, rain,
rain! =(

[Dre]

"M78Ultra" <M78Ultra@REMOVEtriad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> > Yes, I have always broke the motor in with the factory head and pipe
>> > before
>> > adding the upgrades.
>> > I don't see any reason to do it any other way as you wouldn't see the
> gain
>> > (or loss) in performance as opposed to the factory setup.
>> > And yes, the Nova Head would keep your temps down more so your heat
> cycle
>> > might not fair as well.
>> > HTH
>> >
>> > PS.. If there is a Best Offer option on the Nova head..email the seller
>> > and
>> > see what the best deal is and save a few $.
>> >
>> Nice, thats what I was thinking...
>>
>> Well I'm starting to get a bit excited about the potential engine upgrade
> :)
>>
>> I think the head did have a best offer so I'll give it a try, worst case
>> I
>> pay the auction price (which is still quite reasonable)
>>
>> Thanks for the info!
>>
>> What do you run in your Savage btw??
>>
>> Cheers Dre
>>
>
> I have a Nova Pro Race Head on the factory .25 with a CVEC adjustable
> tuned
> pipe on the Savage.
>
> Just installed a Nova Head and same CVEC pipe on my new Ofna Ravager
> Force.28 after I broke it in and ran it for a couple of tanks after break
> in...Haven't got to run it yet with the new stuff 'cause of rain, rain,
> rain! =(
>
Nice!

Hehe, it was grey and raining yesterday, then blue skies and sun, then grey
and raining, then blue skies and sun, repeat lots :)

Right, so Nova heads are the go then, I'm convinced, pity they dont make a
purple annodized one, or do they? goes off to look...

Cheers Dre

[Dre]

"Dre" <ausjules1977@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "M78Ultra" <M78Ultra@REMOVEtriad.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>> > Yes, I have always broke the motor in with the factory head and pipe
>>> > before
>>> > adding the upgrades.
>>> > I don't see any reason to do it any other way as you wouldn't see the
>> gain
>>> > (or loss) in performance as opposed to the factory setup.
>>> > And yes, the Nova Head would keep your temps down more so your heat
>> cycle
>>> > might not fair as well.
>>> > HTH
>>> >
>>> > PS.. If there is a Best Offer option on the Nova head..email the
>>> > seller
>>> > and
>>> > see what the best deal is and save a few $.
>>> >
>>> Nice, thats what I was thinking...
>>>
>>> Well I'm starting to get a bit excited about the potential engine
>>> upgrade
>> :)
>>>
>>> I think the head did have a best offer so I'll give it a try, worst case
>>> I
>>> pay the auction price (which is still quite reasonable)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info!
>>>
>>> What do you run in your Savage btw??
>>>
>>> Cheers Dre
>>>
>>
>> I have a Nova Pro Race Head on the factory .25 with a CVEC adjustable
>> tuned
>> pipe on the Savage.
>>
>> Just installed a Nova Head and same CVEC pipe on my new Ofna Ravager
>> Force.28 after I broke it in and ran it for a couple of tanks after break
>> in...Haven't got to run it yet with the new stuff 'cause of rain, rain,
>> rain! =(
>>
> Nice!
>
> Hehe, it was grey and raining yesterday, then blue skies and sun, then
> grey and raining, then blue skies and sun, repeat lots :)
>
> Right, so Nova heads are the go then, I'm convinced, pity they dont make a
> purple annodized one, or do they? goes off to look...
>
> Cheers Dre
Well it doesn't look like they do *anything* in colour, all silver.

Oh well, silver is better than blue :)

Cheers Dre

[g20zoom@gmail.com]

Yeah...I heard it's really not too bad if you can use that much fuel.
ie 30+ gallon batches.
Although you need a good method to mix the fuel...without igniting the
alchohol. Electric mixers near the fumes would probably not be a good
thing. Also...gotta keep the fuel dry from air moisture. My local
hobby shop charges almost $30 for Trinity 20% nitro/gallon. It
definitely has gone up quickly in the last few years.

Hey...what kinda of hazmat fees are we talking? just curious...

"Doc" wrote:
> "Qwerty" <nope.sorry@not.this.time.com> wrote in message
> news:452801e8$1_1@x-privat.org...
>
> > What do you need to make your own nitro? Come on spill the secrets.
>
> No secret really. You need:
>
> 1. Methanol
> 2. Nitromethane
> 3. Lube package (Klotz is a big one)
>
> All three need to be mixed according to the nitro/oil %'s you want.
>
> Doc

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<g20zoom@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah...I heard it's really not too bad if you can use that much fuel.
> ie 30+ gallon batches.
> Although you need a good method to mix the fuel...without igniting the
> alchohol. Electric mixers near the fumes would probably not be a good
> thing. Also...gotta keep the fuel dry from air moisture. My local
> hobby shop charges almost $30 for Trinity 20% nitro/gallon. It
> definitely has gone up quickly in the last few years.
>
> Hey...what kinda of hazmat fees are we talking? just curious...

5 gallon pail of 99.90% pure methanol............$30.
1 gallon can of nitromethane = $40
2 quarts Klotz R/C Castor = $20

HAZMAT fees vary by product and volume but are approximately 25% of the
original price. So, for enough juice to make 5 gallons or so of 20% nitro,
minus the oil package we're looking at $30 (methanol) + $40 (nitro) + 25%
(HAZMAT) =
$87.50 + $20 (oil) = $ 107.50

I can get O'Donnels 20% race blend by the case at $22/gallon. That's $110
for 5 gallons,
a mere $2.50 more than having to mix it myself.

Doc

[g20zoom@gmail.com]

"Doc" wrote:

> > Hey...what kinda of hazmat fees are we talking? just curious...
>
> 5 gallon pail of 99.90% pure methanol............$30.
> 1 gallon can of nitromethane = $40
> 2 quarts Klotz R/C Castor = $20
>
> HAZMAT fees vary by product and volume but are approximately 25% of the
> original price. So, for enough juice to make 5 gallons or so of 20% nitro,
> minus the oil package we're looking at $30 (methanol) + $40 (nitro) + 25%
> (HAZMAT) =
> $87.50 + $20 (oil) = $ 107.50
>
> I can get O'Donnels 20% race blend by the case at $22/gallon. That's $110
> for 5 gallons,
> a mere $2.50 more than having to mix it myself.
>
> Doc

Yeah...the numbers don't look so good. Maybe the key is to do more
volume...like 30+ gallon drums. :)
How about a 30 gallon drum of Meth(anol) picked up locally?

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<g20zoom@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Doc" wrote:
>
>> > Hey...what kinda of hazmat fees are we talking? just curious...
>>
>> 5 gallon pail of 99.90% pure methanol............$30.
>> 1 gallon can of nitromethane = $40
>> 2 quarts Klotz R/C Castor = $20
>>
>> HAZMAT fees vary by product and volume but are approximately 25% of the
>> original price. So, for enough juice to make 5 gallons or so of 20%
>> nitro,
>> minus the oil package we're looking at $30 (methanol) + $40 (nitro) + 25%
>> (HAZMAT) =
>> $87.50 + $20 (oil) = $ 107.50
>>
>> I can get O'Donnels 20% race blend by the case at $22/gallon. That's
>> $110
>> for 5 gallons,
>> a mere $2.50 more than having to mix it myself.
>>
>> Doc
>
> Yeah...the numbers don't look so good. Maybe the key is to do more
> volume...like 30+ gallon drums. :)
> How about a 30 gallon drum of Meth(anol) picked up locally?

You're right, if you could do it in bulk and not have to pay HAZMAT fees
you'd be in like flint. Problem is, 30 gallons of methanol = 50 gallons of
mixed fuel and I a) couldn't use that much in a reasonable time frame; b)
have nowhere to store it that's cool enough to be safe; c) don't feel like
having 50 gallons of highly flammable liquids laying around!!!

Doc
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