F3P plans

[Aio_1]

Below is a list of F3P designs (in no particular order) with links to the threads/posts or non RC-Groups sites where you'll find the plans. Thanks to everyone who's already contributed. Post any plans or other useful links you know of and I'll copy them into this post so they can be easily found.
Please don't post plans if the original designer doesn't want them distributed.


On RC-Groups

F3X (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=493700)
Index (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6638543&postcount=59)
Index 2, 2.1 and 2.2 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10591612&postcount=130)
Pluma (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5058270&postcount=52)
Ultra light Yak-54 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=513281)
Breeze (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528735)
Brio-Foamy (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525259&pp=15)
Hoxaimove (plan below)
Calypso (plan below)
Snooylution (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310111&pp=15)
Troll (plan below)
Pulse II (plan below)
Spoke (plan below)
Hoaxi2 (plan below)
BlingBling V3 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=566748)
Zläp 3 (plan below)
Arctic (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=572618#post6772820)
F3Axis (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=658836#post7159269)
Axis V3 EPP practice plane (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=899205)
Voxel (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=716313)
Morback (plan below)
Morback4D (plan below) Not sure this counts as F3P but I'll include it for now.
Silence (plan below)
Liptonic (plan below)
Cirrus F3P (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=801509)
Juka (http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg107/23751-ultimate-indoor-foamy-build-series.html) (there's also some info on RCgroups here (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=819427))
Edge (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973243)
Wizard V4 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14051452) New

Elsewhere

Knuffel V2 (http://schnurzz.de/know/knuffel-v2-plan.pdf)
Smove (http://schnurzz.de/know//slowflyworld-smove-plan.pdf)
Silwas (http://home.netsurf.de/jacob.rosendorfer/silwas/silwas.pdf)
SouthernX-i (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Frcp.web.infoseek.co.jp%2F rc_SouthernXi.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)
Whynot (http://perso.orange.fr/odt55/V2%20HLB.htm)
Fundafly B (http://www.simodels.com/)


Please suggest more links or post more plans for the list!
I'll delete your post after copying your links to the list unless it includes additional information.

Feel free to post in this thread but don't be offended if I delete them after a while. The intention is to keep all the content in the first few posts so you don't have to trawl through a huge thread to find what you're looking for.

If you want to convert your plans to PDF try CutePDF (http://www.cutepdf.com/). It's free and simple to use.

Thanks,

Aidan

[Aio_1]

Post a picture with your links if you have one.

I'll continue adding links in post #1 and the corresponding photos in post #2.

[tim_mellor]

The following link is a plans site I have used in the past, there is a searchable data base that includes lots of indoor aerobatic aircraft.

http://www.profili2.com/eng/default_plans.htm

Regards

Tim

[pmackenzie]

Here is the Calypso in PDF format. One sheet 40" x 48". The DXF was in mm, the PDF is in Imperial.
Span worked out to 33.6"/854 mm. Is this correct?
I ask because all of the slots are 3.3 mm, not 3mm so it might be 10% oversize.
Doing a tiled PDF is possible, but a bit of a pain!
I hope the single sheet will do :)
Pat MacKenzie

[g_rod22x]

Great Thread!
I hope people enjoy the Pluma.
If there is interest, I can post the latest version PDF.
have fun!

[Just ShootMe]

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[Aio_1]

I've done a revised version of the overlay drawing Justshootme provided earlier. I've re-drawn the outlines of the Clik and Manta just to tidy them up a little. They're still based on Justshootme's outlines.

All 3 planes are scaled so that they have equal wing area. "Wing area" includes the area outlined by extending the LE and TE to the centreline as is standard practice.
The approximately calculated neutral points were used to align the planes.

The most obvious differences are:

Clik has a much larger and shorter coupled tailplane than the other two
Index has a much longer nose and the side area is distributed further forward
Clik and Manta wing planforms are similar with the Index being higher aspect ratio and more swept
Clik has a far larger rudder than the Manta with the Index somewhere in between
Clik has the largest fuselage side area and the Manta the smallest
Index has less fuselage area below the centreline than the other two
I've also attached the same drawing but replacing the Index with the Index 2.
It seems the changes I made when modifying the original Index design has brought it closer to the proportions of the other two designs.

Aidan

P.S.
Thanks for the drawing Pat!

[fishnstk]

Hi Aidan, Just a little note reguarding the Index. I used your plans and built one with fan fold foam. The wings and fuse I used two pieces sandwiched togather to make it a little thicker and make it stronger. I used a brushless 400 with 800mah 3 cell lipos. The plane came out at 13oz. with the electronics less battery. I wanted a plane I could fly outside and this fit the bill. Maidened today, and it flew straight out hands off in a slight climb. only trim was a tad of down elevator. Hovers perfect and handles the wind great. Nice plans, Thank you Gary Fuller

[Bubba Gump]

I have build 2 Index's and all I have to say is that they are awesome. working on the third one now.

[Aio_1]

It's started turning colder and the days are getting very noticably shorter here in Ireland. I imagine most of us in the northern hemisphere will be starting into the indoor flying season shortly.

I've neglected this thread a little over the last few months. It's quite possible there are a few new plans floating around that I haven't captured here so if you're aware of any let me know and I'll add them.

Also feel free to comment on any of the plans that you've tried. I'm interested to learn whether many people are building from these plans and what they think of them. I know the Bling Bling and Yak for example are popular from reading their threads. There's less feedback on most of the other designs.

It might also be interesting to use this forum to suggest or report on modifications to designs.

There are more F3P designs available commercially now than there were last year but hopefully this won't have a negative effect on our creativity.

So get if you're designing and/or building please post your plans, pictures and experiences here!

Have a great season!

Aidan

[shockflyer12345]

Does anyone have the Knuffel 2 and smove plans? If so could you please PM them to me, as it seems that they were taken off the slowflyworld site.

Thanks,

Shockflyer

[pmackenzie]

Your link doesn't work.
Should be:
http://pierrickfly.free.fr/avion/Morback4D/Morback%20F3P.dxf
Working on the conversion....
Pat MacKenzie

[Aio_1]

I've added a link and picture for the Index 2.

I was very happy with the original Index but I much prefer the flying characteristics of the Index 2.:)

You can find my report on it's first day of flying in the Index 2 thread (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623223) post #14.

Aidan

[pmackenzie]

Aiden - There are pictures and video on the site:
http://pierrickfly.free.fr/avion/Morback4D/

JustShootMe - you had better luck than I did. What software did you use to read the DXF? I could sort of get it into Corel Draw, but not into my CAD or CAM packages. I could get it from Corel into Autocad, but the size was messed up and the text in the title block was gone so I did not know what to scale it up to.

There is another F3P plane on the same site, a biplane called the Silence.
http://pierrickfly.free.fr/avion/Silence%20F3P/
I had even less luck with that one!
http://pierrickfly.free.fr/avion/Silence%20F3P/silence%202.jpg

Pat MacKenzie

[Erik Johansson]

You should add the german Liptonic V2 and V3 designs. They are the latest and most refined F3P designs that are available as free plans. The picture is of the V2.



/Erik

[Erik Johansson]

Erik:

Very nice design. I like the full flying stab. Thanks for posting.

When I open the V3 dxf file in Adobe Illustrator I get a: 84 cm wing span and 78 cm length. Is that correct?

Thanks,

Dawson

Should be correct I think.

/Erik

[shockflyer12345]

I found one called the D-Full on the same site.. http://pierrickfly.free.fr/avion/D-Full/
Can someone convert the plans to PDF?

[Aio_1]

Added the Silence and Liptonic to Posts #1 and #2.

Thanks Dimitry999, Justshootme, Pat and Eric!

Aidan

[Just ShootMe]

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[shockflyer12345]

Thanks Just ShootMe!

[Just ShootMe]

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[pcdiy001]

very nice! good job!

[RubSon]

:rolleyes:

First, don´t read the spelling, just what i´m writing :o

A friend and I´ve tried the Morbackplans. My friend build the 4D-version (without VVP), and I build the "straight away"-version.
The drawings are very precise, and after cutting, evrything just vent together -almost without glue.........
Both planes did there maiden last sonday.
Mine flew as on tracks, a little tap on the aillerons, and a drop of nosedown.
Flyes very stable and capable of flying slow. Rolls and kniveegde are good to. Now I have to practice, practice, practice........... :)
Equipment installed is: A 40gr outrunner, NoName, Dymond 3,7 servos, 12 amp esc and 300mAh PoLyfly lipos (Price in Denmark, less than 10$ for a 2s-pack) AUW 172 gr.

I tested the 4D-version for my friend. Very similar flying caractaristics, but felt a bit heavy due to the huge fuselage.

I´ll try to put on a picture or two, lets see if it works. The other plane on the pictures are my second Silwas, build in two weeks. The first one took are terrible hit at the tailsektion, so a new one was recomended. It allso maidened sonday, and flyes very smooth. AUW 132gr.

[RJPIoW]

Used my CAD skills if that helps- heres the dxf in AutoCad R14 format everyone should be able to read this, and pdf tiled.

Richard

[marcusdorf]

Is it posible to get the Morback F3p plans converted and tiled to A4 paper?

/ Marcus

[jackack]

I have built and flown the morback and it is a great F3P plane!

http://www.svensktmodellflyg.se/users/1175/IMG_4519_liten.jpg

My new projects
http://www.svensktmodellflyg.se/users/1175/jackplane.jpg

Cheers// Jack BK

[cgraf]

Hi guys

Two actual European designs:

The biplane is a very nice Swiss design, the Devil is from Germany.

Have fun

Best regards from Switzerland

Chris

[marcusdorf]

Well...then I have to do it myself.... :)
Hopefully it will make some more european guys happy.

/Marcus

[YannR]

Hi everybody,

I have a question, where is the CG on the Morback? Thank's for help!

Yannr / Swiss

[RubSon]

Hello Yann.

...as far back as you dare.......:rolleyes:

I couldn´t find this information anywhere, so I just started out with CG placed as on every other indoorplane.
The plane is not so critical with the location. I just trail and error :D

Unfortunatly my plane is burried and gone. A lightweigt depronplane vs a heavy Blade (EPP) is a bad idear :mad:

RubSon

[jackack]

start with 1cm infront of the carbon "beam"

Cheers// jackack

[robo-Giedrius]

hi everybody
i made my forst F3P plane
Tiburon Biplan
some foto u can finde i there http://public.fotki.com/giedriusonline/tiburon-biplan/

[Mike Seale]

I want to build a Knuffel and have the tiled pdf file to work from. But I have difficulty getting all the separate sheets to line up due to the printer not printing right up to the edge of the sheets. The cm scale along the top/bottom edge of the paper is correct but then if I just butt-joint the sheets it doesn't work. It looks like I need to overlap the sheets by about 1 or 2mm. Is this normal or is there a trick to tiled pdf's?

Mike

[mtm]

I want to build a Knuffel and have the tiled pdf file to work from. But I have difficulty getting all the separate sheets to line up due to the printer not printing right up to the edge of the sheets. The cm scale along the top/bottom edge of the paper is correct but then if I just butt-joint the sheets it doesn't work. It looks like I need to overlap the sheets by about 1 or 2mm. Is this normal or is there a trick to tiled pdf's?

Mike
Just "buy" Adobe Reader Professional ;)
Than you can tile A0 all on youre one :D

[HenriqueHingst]

I have one plane than I do even I did as of this date a photo of donatas pauzuolis but I would like know if any tem the steps of the aircraft futurist or future bipe 3d ?

I am expecting answers thank you....

[Bubba Gump]

Okay you don,t have to bark orders. But donatas airplanes you have to get them from him. And if you plans where did you get them from?

[pmackenzie]

I am expecting answers thank you....

Okay you don,t have to bark orders.


I don't think it was a barked order.
Something lost in translation perhaps? :)

Pat MacKenzie

[Bubba Gump]

I took it the wrong way.

[segraves]

I want to build a Knuffel and have the tiled pdf file to work from. But I have difficulty getting all the separate sheets to line up due to the printer not printing right up to the edge of the sheets. The cm scale along the top/bottom edge of the paper is correct but then if I just butt-joint the sheets it doesn't work. It looks like I need to overlap the sheets by about 1 or 2mm. Is this normal or is there a trick to tiled pdf's?

MikeThere is no trick to tiled PDFs. Unfortunately, most of the producers of tiled PDFs do not seem to realize it's not a good idea to produce a PDF page that requires printing in the non-printable zone of most printers to be able to print the PDF tiles.

ScaleAndTile3 is one program that is specifically designed for scaling and tiling plans/3-views correctly. The page widths and heights for the most frequently used sizes, LETTER and A4, are 1/2" smaller than the nominal page dimensions, so printing centered on the nominal size paper leaves about 1/4" white space all around the tile, nicely missing the non-printable zone for most laser printers.

The PDFs produced by ScaleAndTile3 are always borderless, so if the user is fortunate enough to have access to a printer that is really capable of faithfully producing borderless pages, he/she can take advantage of that feature (Frankly, I see no advantage to borderless printing, as the paper alignment is not accurate enough for use to print tiled plans).

ScaleAndTile3 employs very-accurately-placed alignment aids on the tiles that make it easy to achieve correct alignment of the tiles when you are assembling a large, single-sheet plan from tiles.

ScaleAndTile3 is free for personal, non-commercial use and may not be redistributed. That means you can only get it from me, and that you may not give it to anyone else. See the threads that start with "ScaleAndTile2" and "ScaleAndTile3" over in the Foamies (Scratchbuilt) forum for more details on features, as well as how to get it, if you're interested.

Best regards,
Bill Segraves

[Aio_1]

Another plan added to posts #1 and #2. This time it's an aeromusical type design called the Juka by Jeremy Chinn aka Matchlessaero.

Aidan

[3-DMan]

Does anyone know how well does the Morback 4-D flies? Or does anyone have a vid? I really want to build one, but I want to see how it flies or hear before I start the build.

3-DMan :)

[olivier75]

Hi, 3D Man

I made my first three flights few weeks ago (in indoor) with an aerobatic plane but not a F3P one. It has been very hard to try to perform some rolls and so on ... I decided to build the Morback (not the 4D), in order to have a efficient plane to make aerobatics. I have to learn to control my stress (walls arrive very quickly !). Due the price to make this kind of plane, i think you can make your one without waiting news from someone !

Some pictures here in the next weeks to show my 3D Morback (with probably some personnal shape modifications)

Acromaster

[Voldos]

Hello,
Have you some plans of F3P with "central position" for engine ?
with a servo to adjust propeller pitch

sorry for bad english, i'm french
regards

[pmackenzie]

Hello,
Have you some plans of F3P with "central position" for engine ?
with a servo to adjust propeller pitch

sorry for bad english, i'm french
regards


The Morback 4D has the motor in the centre of the plane.
The plan is in the first post.

Pat MacKenzie

[Aio_1]

Hi guys,

It seems the Knuffel V2 and Smove plan links in post #1 were out of date. I'm not sure how long they've been out of action but they're updated now. Thanks to ChrisBowker for providing current links.

Aidan

[Dimitry999]

Hi all,
I've found a nice looking x'tazi design plane on the internet, would like to share it with you. I haven't tried it yet... Hope it's good. :cool:
http://pierrickfly.free.fr/avion/Balistik/Balistik.dxf
http://pierrickfly.free.fr/avion/Balistik/BalistikPDF1.pdf

Regards and good luck for building!

[ultralajt]

Anyone know, where to set the C.G. on Moorback 3D F3P ?

Today I will install RC equipment and it will be close to maiden flight, so any suggestion will be wecome!

Mitja

[Evanspa]

I am building my first indooor plane. I want to use:
Axi2203 or Hacker 10-15s
S60 servos
2 cell 300-400
Berg 4l stamp

What is the best/slowest flying bipe w/ free plans
Mono plane?

I'm leaning towards the Axis

[3-DMan]

I am building my first indooor plane. I want to use:
Axi2203 or Hacker 10-15s
S60 servos
2 cell 300-400
Berg 4l stamp

What is the best/slowest flying bipe w/ free plans
Mono plane?

I'm leaning towards the Axis
Go with the Smove, it's really slow.

[teammpp]

Anyone know, where to set the C.G. on Moorback 3D F3P ?

Today I will install RC equipment and it will be close to maiden flight, so any suggestion will be wecome!

Mitja

Approx 1cm in front of the carbon wing rod for a starting point.

[ultralajt]

That Moorback is a joy to fly.
I am rockie in 3D, so every new flight is a new experience for me....

Great thanx to designer of that model!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN1YWaRsYK8&feature=user


Mitja

[Barry Janzen]

Looks very good. Great flying....you will improve fast with that plane. Slow flying planes give time to think :) Enjoy and many happy flights.

Barry

[YannR]

start with 1cm infront of the carbon "beam"

Cheers// jackack

Hi Jackack,

Thank's for your answer! I can build my Morback now!

[dkselw]

I thought the overlay of the plans for the Clik, Manta and the Index in these posts was interesting http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7063837&postcount=6 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7277765&postcount=9

For further comparison I overlayed the Index 2 with the Bling Bling V3

[dkselw]

Attached is an overlay of the Index V2, the Bling Bling V3 and the Knuffel V2.

[dkselw]

Attached is an overlay of the Matchless Juka, Index V2, the Bling Bling V3 and the Knuffel V2.
The planes have been scaled to have approximately the same wingspan.

[darticus]

Started the build. Looking good and have to get settings to put in my DX7 to use the Mamo VPP unit. What is that triangular part on the plan?
PS Can someone tell me where this name Morback comes from my wife hates the name Morback. Thanks Ron

[SweDestroyer]

Hello, i’m looking after the printing for the model The Vega. Is there any possibility to get the printing for that plane? I find the model very nice and good looking, so i want to build it… :D anyone got any clue where to get it?

[darticus]

Now for possible battery size. I have 2 cell 300, 450, 500, 800 mah and some 3 cells 800mah. Completed finish with 500mah 2 cell battery is AUW 7.4oz. Is there usually much more kick with the 3 cell? You think this is a bit heavy all EPP little Depron??? Thanks Ron

[MikeBiv]

That looks Great, I have to stop messing around and get the parts and materials to start
making from plans. Not maney F3P Kit's , Plans seem the way to go.

[darticus]

Seems very much like the Arrow
http://www.pauzuolis-rc.com/stories/videos/arrow-video.html.
Wonder if the size is about the same. Hope when I get the nerve it flies good. Will test in normal flight until I get comfortable than 4D if it has the power. Ron

[i am pj]

Here's a pic of my Morback
http://i36.tinypic.com/20huf00.jpg
Weight is 57 gram.AUW will be 120< gram

[darticus]

That is coming out with a low weight. That's great! My Morback Mid Prop AUW is 7.4 ozs. which is approx 207 grams. all made from EPP and Depron side bracing.

[i am pj]

I'm planning to fly F3P with it. :)

Setup is probably going to be;

-Strecker 195.03
-CC10
-D47S
-Hyperion 2s 300.

[Aio_1]

I'm planning to fly F3P with it. :)

Setup is probably going to be;

-Strecker 195.03
-CC10
-D47S
-Hyperion 2s 300.
That'll be a very nice setup. Fancy motor!
Are those the VX300 Hyperion cells? What do you think of them?
I have some packs I used for a while and was I happy with the performance but they didn't last long. I overdischarged them slightly a few times due to a dodgy ESC which was probably the cause.

Best of luck with the Morback.

Aidan

[i am pj]

Because I'm going to train this week,I've ordered another setup.

*Hyperion Z1705-14 with 7x3.5 prop.
*Dymond Smart 10
*Three times D47
*2S 300 Flightpower the purple one.

A friend of mine has got the Hyperion 300 Vx series.
The batteries are pretty good,but for longtime storage they won't last long.
You've got to treat them wel otherwise they won't survive.

Can someone tell me where the CG of the Morback is?
Planning first flight on wednesday or thursday. :)

[dkselw]

Because I'm going to train this week,I've ordered another setup.

*Hyperion Z1705-14 with 7x3.5 prop.
*Dymond Smart 10
*Three times D47
*2S 300 Flightpower the purple one.


The Hyperion Z1705-11 works really well with the 7x3.5 prop, however may be a bit too much current for those small cells.

www.slowflyer.ch ran some tests on the Hyperion Z1705
http://www.slowflyer.ch/downloads/hyperionhpz170511.pdf
http://www.slowflyer.ch/downloads/hyperionhpz170514.pdf

[darticus]

Can anyone help to translate German directs to English? I have a German model and can't understand the directions. This will look like a Pizza when done. Maybe I can email it. Thanks Ron

[i am pj]

Where is the CG of the Morback?

[dkselw]

Where is the CG of the Morback?

I think the post #152 http://forum.modelisme.com/viewtopic.php?id=94300&p=16 says that the CG should be at 40% of the chord for the Morback 4D. I guess it should be similar for the F3P version.

I only speak english, perhaps someone else can look at this.

[dkselw]

Where is the CG of the Morback?
I think post #11 http://forum.modelisme.com/viewtopic.php?id=103830&p=2 is talking about the CG for the F3P version of the Morback.

You can try Google language tools http://www.google.com.au/language_tools?hl=en but the translation is not very good.

[ultralajt]

Where is the CG of the Morback?

I set the CG at the wing spar.

Try to fly knife edge and if model is tail heavy move battery forward and vica verse...

Mitja

[i am pj]

I've just finished my Morback.
The only thing to do is waiting for my Schulze Alpha 435 and install it.
Tomorrow evening i'm going to fly the plane for the first time.My brother will come with me and take some photos and maybe even a video. :D

[Tiger Wang]

I find the model very nice and good looking, so i want to build it… anyone got any clue where to get it?

[Aio_1]

I find the model very nice and good looking, so i want to build it… anyone got any clue where to get it?
Which model?
The point of this thread is to make available plans for scratch building.
Designers will not usually want the plans distributed for planes that are being commercially produced so it's unlikely any plane you see here is available as a kit.

Aidan

[jamiejig]

any one got plans for silence in pdf tiled

[darticus]

Post some pics of your Morback. I have one also. Mine is a mid prop 4D. Video would be cool also. Ron

[ttodro]

Does anyone know were I can download a set plans for the Clik!

[pmackenzie]

You can't.
You will have to buy the kit.

Pat MacKenzie

[nerdc0re79]

scandalous. " you cant you have to buy the kit" what kind of bulcrap is that. just make one and fly it till its dusted. i have built blingbling, calypso,morback, gene bond's yak, rcpowers' extra, index 2.2, my homemade 3d indoor is by far the best f3p.i have flown in 5 years ..franken3D i call him. it is a cross between knuffle/morback/manta. nice and slow rolling harriers . effortless hover/ pogo/ pogo w/torquerolling.




if i were you dont buy kits . just make a franken3d
or you can try my 45 in edge 540 plan

[Aio_1]

scandalous. " you cant you have to buy the kit" what kind of bulcrap is that...
Pat was responding to the previous post asking where to find Clik plans. The Clik is a commercial design so as he said you can't get the plans (at least not here). So if you want a Clik you have to buy the kit.

Aidan

[MAMOARMIN]

"it is a cross between knuffle/morback/manta"
that is the way, the chinese "design" their models. :D
kr
armin

[richard boyd]

Many be we can call it a mongrel !

Richard

[i am pj]

Post some pics of your Morback. I have one also. Mine is a mid prop 4D. Video would be cool also. Ron
Here's a pic of my Morback.I've placed myself on the 5th place on the Dutch National Championship F3P.The Morback isn't anymore.I'm now building a Precise.That's an edged Clik!


http://i35.tinypic.com/wul76d.jpg

[darticus]

Good job!
I'm now building a Precise.That's an edged Clik!
Where do I find that plan? Ron

[Cruiser79]

Hello Everybody I just build a Morback´and it flies very good (It's another story with the pilot) I thought about building a Silence. but i can't make up my mind witch engin and controller i wan't to put in it. can any body help me? on the blueprints i have there is a suggestion to the engin but the price is a little to high.

I hope that somone can help me

[niels_niels]

Hi,

i'm looking for some vid's and information about the index (normal version)
Are there any vids available ?

niels

[RayPB]

Hi,

i'm looking for some vid's and information about the index (normal version)
Are there any vids available ?

niels
Niels,
There is an active Index thread within this Indoor Pattern/F3P topic. You'll find it further down the page. I'm not sure which version of the Index is the "normal" version, but you'll find lots of information on all versions of the Index there.

Videos, unfortunately, are in short supply.

Ray

[niels_niels]

Niels,
There is an active Index thread within this Indoor Pattern/F3P topic. You'll find it further down the page. I'm not sure which version of the Index is the "normal" version, but you'll find lots of information on all versions of the Index there.

Videos, unfortunately, are in short supply.

Ray

Hi,

i meant the first index, so not the index 2 of 3 just the first one ;)

niels

[Aio_1]

Hi Niels,

I didn't use the Index 1 for very long and never got any video of it. Mine's dead now so unless someone else has one they want to video it's likely to stay unrecorded!

Unfortunately as Ray said there's a bit of a shortage of Index 2 videos.
There's a few on youtube but most are of heavier versions flying outdoors rather than lightweights flying F3P. There's one I posted of my first competition effort but it's not a good advertisement for the plane. It flies a lot better than I do. I haven't had the opportunity to do any indoor flying at all in the past couple of months which is geting frustrating. I plan to do something about that shortly and I'll try and get some video of my Index 2.2 and the as yet untested Index 3 when I do.

Aidan

[suhonen91]

hello...
sorry my poor English...

why my ugly (two years old) zläp 3 is downloaded so much? over 10000 times!
and seen only one another...
just asking...

I have coming new and 100 times better plane (with plans)... :)

[yuefeifei]

so maney plans ,thank you very much Aio_1 .
yuefeifei

[cerar]

Hi!
anyone have plan for Click or Spark?

thanks!

[Aio_1]

The Clik and Spark are both sold as kits and as far as I know the designers haven't made plans freely available.

[archer3d]

Has anyone built and flown the European bipe 6th plan V4. i have it cut out in depron and i was looking for some info in it

[Aio_1]

The Edge by Suhonen91 has been added to the list.

I haven't been adding much to this thread lately and it's very possible there are plans in circulation on RCGroups or elsewhere in the last year that I should have added. If you know of any that I've missed let me know and I'll try and catch up.

Thanks,

Aidan

[streetwear]

Hello,

Thankyou for the wealth of information with regards to f3p plans. I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find the Arctic plan by Flandis? as his links are no longer working?

Kind Regards
Mike

[all4smallrc]

I've done a revised version of the overlay drawing Justshootme provided earlier. I've re-drawn the outlines of the Clik and Manta just to tidy them up a little. They're still based on Justshootme's outlines.

All 3 planes are scaled so that they have equal wing area. "Wing area" includes the area outlined by extending the LE and TE to the centreline as is standard practice.
The approximately calculated neutral points were used to align the planes.

The most obvious differences are:

Clik has a much larger and shorter coupled tailplane than the other two
Index has a much longer nose and the side area is distributed further forward
Clik and Manta wing planforms are similar with the Index being higher aspect ratio and more swept
Clik has a far larger rudder than the Manta with the Index somewhere in between
Clik has the largest fuselage side area and the Manta the smallest
Index has less fuselage area below the centreline than the other two
I've also attached the same drawing but replacing the Index with the Index 2.
It seems the changes I made when modifying the original Index design has brought it closer to the proportions of the other two designs.

Aidan

P.S.
Thanks for the drawing Pat!

Hey Aidan, If I'm not mistaken, you could use the drawings in this post as plans for the Click, right? Or are the dimesions not entirely acurate?

[C4X]

I am new to F3P, but a small suggestion for anyone with good kits: please take quality photos of the assembled horizontal and vertical profiles, before final assembly, and link them somewhere in this thread with the dimensions! I, for one, would gladly trace some quality plans up in AutoCAD if some decent profiles presented themselves. As for the Clik and Spark (mentioned a couple threads previous), maybe someone has the kit and wouldn't mind snapping some photos? Even if it is already fully assembled, the images don't lie. It is perfectly legal, I believe, so long as the plans are not used commercially. After all, I create templates from all the kits I have bought, and plans that I have printed (for future use when I crash, which I know I will).

I love foamies! Need more!!!

[Aio_1]

I am new to F3P, but a small suggestion for anyone with good kits: please take quality photos of the assembled horizontal and vertical profiles, before final assembly, and link them somewhere in this thread with the dimensions! I, for one, would gladly trace some quality plans up in AutoCAD if some decent profiles presented themselves. As for the Clik and Spark (mentioned a couple threads previous), maybe someone has the kit and wouldn't mind snapping some photos? Even if it is already fully assembled, the images don't lie. It is perfectly legal, I believe, so long as the plans are not used commercially.
I don't wish to distribute plans in this thread for commercial designs without consent of the designer.
Whether it's done via photograph or drawing seems pretty immaterial if the intent is the same - to build a copy.
I'm not making a judgement on whether making copies of existing designs is right or wrong, I'm just not willing to introduce the issue for debate in this thread.

Leaving the ethics out of it for a moment:
Photographs are a poor replacement for drawings as perspective and other optical distortions will mean you often end up with a rather inaccurate outline. The amount of distortion will depend a lot on how the photo was taken. Angle and distance being most important but I suspect other issues will arise depending on the optics of the camera. A drawing created from a photo may look correct but the proportions will differ from the original and proportions matter. Images often do lie!

I now realise that the drawings posted earlier comparing the Clik, Manta and Index could perhaps be used as the basis of a plan but this was not the intent. The drawings were intended solely as a pictorial comparison of design proportions. If David Kyjovsky or Martin Muller wish those drawings to be removed I will oblige.

Hey Aidan, If I'm not mistaken, you could use the drawings in this post as plans for the Click, right? Or are the dimesions not entirely acurate?
I can't speak to the accuracy of the Manta and Clik outlines as I didn't draw them and haven't compared them to the real thing.

Aidan