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rdwoebke
Jul 30, 2006, 10:15 PM
My Nats 2006 experience started with RES. RES was Friday July 28 and had a very high turn out. 66 pilots flew the event with about 80 registering. The high turn out is likely because of a number of factors. This year RES was given its own day where in the past it shred a day with Nostalgia. And, ARF models and new designs have really breathed life into the class.

I flew my Allegro Lite. There were quite a few other pilot built models at the event and several other folks flying 2 meters. The variety of models was very cool. I took this shot of the Allegro amongst some models. Avas as expected were very popular and so was the Soprano.

Tasks were set at 10 minutes all day. Conditions were overcast and a bit of wind. Perhaps a 8ish mph wind. Thermals were a bit spotty but were to be found.

First flight I popped off. I’m not sure what exactly my launch problem has been recently and struggled with that all day. I had about a 2 minute flight and no landing.

Second flight I did not pop off and actually had a pretty decent launch. I was not really able to find and work any lift and sort of surfed and eventually took a gamble and tried to take something down wind that did not work out. I landed at a bit short of 5 minutes. No landing points. I got an 800ish in that round so the best flight must not have been a lot more than I was able to manage.

After round 2 Jim Stum, my timer, and I decided to help out by tapping chutes down. For those of you not familiar with contests and winches, after the launch generally the chutes are tapped down to the turn around to prevent line crosses. At the Nats, kids with golf carts retrieve the chutes and bring them back to the winches. This keeps the contest going quickly which is important with a contest of this size. At the Nats this year they did not wait until one flight group was finished before sending out the next flight group so although there were 11 flight groups things moved fast.

Anyhow, as I have mentioned before, when you are flying poorly you don’t get many requests for timing duty. Jim Stum a rocket buddy of mine from the Muncie area contacted me a few days before the Nats and offered his assistance in timing/whatever. He is interested in RC soaring as a stepping stone to getting into RCRGs. So Jim and I did 2 ~90 minute stints tapping chutes when there was a long break in my flight group assignments. For our efforts we each received a cool Nats volunteer T and an ice cream bar courtesy of the LSF! It was absolutely not expected as we were only there for the one day and did not help out the whole day but appreciated. See picture below. As always, the LSF and the CDs did a great job and the soaring Nats are very well executed.

Round 3 I popped off again. No landing.

Round 4 I popped off again. This time I was determined to try to take a thermal out, but it went over the LZ and I got chastised for circling low over the LZ. I did not take the thermal out and missed the landing and was informed even had I made it I would not have gotten landing points due to the low circling.

Round 5 Seib volunteered to throw for me and I took him up on that. I did a tap up launch to about half the height of the other planes (no zoom). Had a 3ish flight. Could not take lift out. At that point I did not see the point in stressing the plane as I needed it the next day for ½ A sailplane. No landing. As it turns out, my Allegro and Steve’s throw made its way into the “Nats News” http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/NatsNews06/0729.pdf See page 3. BTW, Don Richmond and the other folks working the Nats News did a fantastic job.

Several folks commented that I was pre-tensioning too much. Others also thought I was throwing the model too much.

Highlight for me for the contest was seeing Don Blackwell from the MIST club take 5th in RES! Don is a very cool guy and I was happy to see him do well. Action shot of this event is below. It is Greg Prater’s “Big Red” on landing approach.

Lowlight for me for the contest was realizing a young pilot from the LASS club was A) way out flying me and B) had been alive for less years than I have been flying….

I ended up 60th out of 66. But, I did manage to come in ahead of 2 level 5 pilots who had equipment failures.

To cap it off, as I was driving back to Carmel to where I was staying for the Nats I realized I had left my transmitter at the transmitter impound! I drove back and found that several folks had been looking out for me and it went with Bob Burnson. So I was safe for the next day (although I have a backup TX I really needed the mixing functions in the 783 the Allegro in half A sailplane). I was pretty bummed with my performance that day. I’ll go “Gordy” on you all and add that I had Chipoltle for dinner Friday night with Ben Pitchkites (a pilot friend from Carmel I stayed with). I had a chicken burrito, black beans, rice, hot salsa, lettuce, and cheese. That really helped hit the spot and take my mind off the bad flying. After dinner Ben and I went to my old favorite flying field in Carmel and he got some practice in with his new Electron Speed 400 plane (I think you can get it from Kennedy Composites) and I helped him tune in his flap to elevator mix. I flew a flight of the electric Paragon and had my best flight of the day… A bit over 6 minutes with a 45 second “Nats run”.

That night I lay in bed replaying my crappy flying over in my head. This story will be continued here in the thread on the electric Soaring Nats. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549734

Ryan

tw126a
Jul 31, 2006, 01:39 AM
Ryan, I think its great and I might add, somewhat brave to post such an in depth and honest appraisal of your flying experiences. I have a hunch that this will do more for encouraging contest flying then anything else I've seen. It sure is getting me thinking. I salute you, you are a true pilot.
Tom

rdwoebke
Jul 31, 2006, 09:52 AM
Thanks,

I am keeping a journal of all my flying this year (BTW, I have flown on 78 different days in 2006) anyway so I figured I should post my experience for others to enjoy. I also try to do this as a "thanks/atta boy" to the folks that take the time to organize and run these events.

Ryan

John Gallagher
Jul 31, 2006, 09:45 PM
Looking at your center photo, I would think that only high-tech gliders are flown in RES. It was great to read that Ray Hayes placed third with one of his low/old tech balsa built-up (no kevlar, no carbon fiber) Big Birds. You don't have to spend $1000+ for an AVA, to be competitive in RES.

spatial
Jul 31, 2006, 10:17 PM
If you read Ryan's article he was flying his Allegro-Lite in the NAT's RES comp. Definitely Hi-Tek compared from a woody purist perspective but still featuring built-up balsa wing construction and certainly not a $1000+ ARF.

Thanks Ryan for sharing your experiences. Nice shot of the AL launching btw.

schrederman
Jul 31, 2006, 10:43 PM
If you look in the center of that photo, there's a Houston Hawk. Built-up from balsa, spruce, and some carbon fiber... usually cost about $300- to build. Watch for the kit to be available from Isthmus Models soon.

Jack Womack

rdwoebke
Jul 31, 2006, 10:57 PM
Looking at your center photo, I would think that only high-tech gliders are flown in RES. It was great to read that Ray Hayes placed third with one of his low/old tech balsa built-up (no kevlar, no carbon fiber) Big Birds. You don't have to spend $1000+ for an AVA, to be competitive in RES.

2 things. First, I was a bit worried when I downloaded that picture it would come off that way. Yes, there were a lot of carbon spared, carbon capped ARFS (Avas and Sopranos mostly). But, there were quite a few "traditional" woodie ships and several folks had Bubble Dancers they built themselves. And a number of the traditional built woodies did quite well, including Ray with his Big Bird. My Allegro was in there too and I can assure you I spent no where near $1,000 on it.

Second, although more expensive the ARF 3 meter RES models won't set you back $1000. Probably they are mostly in the 650s these days but at least you do not really need the expensive digital servos with them.



Ryan

rdwoebke
Jul 31, 2006, 11:00 PM
Thanks Ryan for sharing your experiences. Nice shot of the AL launching btw.

I really need to re-think the launching. That picture was of Steve S. launching it for me. I need to read more on Dr. D's suggested setup. I must have something wrong.

Ryan

rdwoebke
Jul 31, 2006, 11:00 PM
If you look in the center of that photo, there's a Houston Hawk.


I wish I would have known one was there. I woudl have liked to take a close look at one.

Ryan

John Gallagher
Jul 31, 2006, 11:28 PM
Probably they are mostly in the 650s these days but at least you do not really need the expensive digital servos with them.

Ryan

Yea... I did exagerate a bit. AVA's are $680 and $700. So maybe for $800 to $850 you're set.

Mark Miller
Aug 01, 2006, 09:30 AM
It was great to see Ray do so well. It just shows that wood planes in the right hands are still viable.

As a manufacturer and importer I can say this though. I'll sell a dozen Sopranos to every wood kit I sell. If you are in the sales biz you have to follow the market and the market has spoken. For better or worse, it's reality.

My first love is wood kits and I am working hard to try and bring some of them to market but it is a small market and I can only do it because I do not rely on Isthmus Models to provide a paycheck. It barely supports itself but that's good enough for me.

For those wanting more wood kits here is what I am working on

Mirage Full Kit...due out very soon
Cara 2 meter...ditto
Houston Hawk....Have to make plug, molds and set up production
Resolution...Have molds, plans and laser parts. I just need to put the puzzle all together
Heat Seeker....Have permission and plans. Need to start on tooling and CAD files
Shadow Fax...working on plan conversion from hand drawing to CAD
RO-8....Converting plans to CAD
Mirage 2 meter...Little brother to the Mirage. Have not started on it yet but I'm planning.
Don't Panic...I have plans and files for laser parts...You should see this thing...156" RES

More projects are being worked on but these are a few of the wood ones.

BTW...Soprano's are $650.00

Mark

rdwoebke
Aug 01, 2006, 10:18 AM
It was great to see Ray do so well. It just shows that wood planes in the right hands are still viable.



Ray is a very good pilot with years of experience. His Big Bird is quite a good ship and I know he launches them hard. I built one of his Osprey 2 Meter kits in the late 90s and had lots of good fun with it. It was very cool to see several folks that built planes doing well with them and having a good time. I don't see how anyone could go wrong with a Big Bird and one might just be in my future some day.


As a manufacturer and importer I can say this though. I'll sell a dozen Sopranos to every wood kit I sell. If you are in the sales biz you have to follow the market and the market has spoken. For better or worse, it's reality.


I think it is a great thing that guys like you, and Ray, and Tom Martin, Laser Arts, and Merrill Brady keep wood kits around. I agree that the super nice ARFs are the way things are going and have no beef with the folks that choose to go that route. I might become one of them some day but I don't forsee that in the near future. I also have no beef over the prices the models sell at. Having built plenty of ships myself over the years I understand the amount of labor, design, mold work, etc. that goes into these things.

If RCGROUPs has shown me anything over the last year, it is that there are more builders out there than I had thought. Folks building from wood and composite. That is a good thing as it is very rewarding at least to me to fly a plane I built.

Ryan

John Gallagher
Aug 01, 2006, 11:55 AM
It was great to see Ray do so well. It just shows that wood planes in the right hands are still viable.

As a manufacturer and importer I can say this though. I'll sell a dozen Sopranos to every wood kit I sell. If you are in the sales biz you have to follow the market and the market has spoken. For better or worse, it's reality.

My first love is wood kits and I am working hard to try and bring some of them to market but it is a small market and I can only do it because I do not rely on Isthmus Models to provide a paycheck. It barely supports itself but that's good enough for me.

For those wanting more wood kits here is what I am working on

Mirage Full Kit...due out very soon
Cara 2 meter...ditto
Houston Hawk....Have to make plug, molds and set up production
Resolution...Have molds, plans and laser parts. I just need to put the puzzle all together
Heat Seeker....Have permission and plans. Need to start on tooling and CAD files
Shadow Fax...working on plan conversion from hand drawing to CAD
RO-8....Converting plans to CAD
Mirage 2 meter...Little brother to the Mirage. Have not started on it yet but I'm planning.
Don't Panic...I have plans and files for laser parts...You should see this thing...156" RES

More projects are being worked on but these are a few of the wood ones.

BTW...Soprano's are $650.00

Mark

Mark,
I meant no offense. It's great that there are people like you and Ray who are still producing these kits. I realize that none of you are getting rich doing this and it's a labor of love. I'm just concerned that there will come a time when only the expensive gliders will be flying RES. I guess then we will have to come up with a different class.

John

rdwoebke
Aug 01, 2006, 12:37 PM
I'm just concerned that there will come a time when only the expensive gliders will be flying RES. I guess then we will have to come up with a different class.



It would be great if folks like Ray would continue to fly the "traditional" woodie kits and do well. Of course, there is now a kit solution to the AVA and there has always been a scratch solution to it. I built my BD for $200 (I made my own pod and V mount)... Still not super cheap but perhaps more within reach of somebody on a budget or in school.

If 70% of the pilots are flying ARFs, then it might to some seem like AVA fest or you need a $600 airframe to compete. There is no real way around that and if we got rid of the carbon capped ships I wonder if folks would instead fly some other kind of ARF (I also saw several ARF Spirits, the new GP Fling 2 meter ARF, etc. at the Nats). And I know of at least one guy who was flying a "traditional" woodie that he paid someone to build for him. We just need to make sure people know that they have kit and scratch options that can save 50% or more on the cost of the airframe (if you are willing to work hard).

Still, if folks instead have some way to focus the time it would take to build a plane into working harder at thier job and making the money to instead build one of those high quality carbon capped molded LE ships, more power to them. For those of us that get satisfaction and relaxation from building our planes, great for us too!

Ryan

OVSS Boss
Aug 01, 2006, 04:05 PM
Ryan, I flew the only Nostalgia legal ship to place in RES, my Grand Esprit, from a DreamCatcher kit flew very well in the wind. I ended up in seventh.

Marc

rdwoebke
Aug 01, 2006, 04:32 PM
Ryan, I flew the only Nostalgia legal ship to place in RES, my Grand Esprit, from a DreamCatcher kit flew very well in the wind. I ended up in seventh.

Marc

I knew you were flying the Grand Espirit but did not pay attention to realize you placed so well. You are always a force with that model. Another great Nats 06 story.

Ryan