Springer Class R/c Boats

[der kapitan]

Did you get your $8.76 recovery fee?? :rolleyes:
Ralph, you bloody mercenary---. :D

[sergio_Italy]

Did you get your $8.76 recovery fee?? :rolleyes:
sure i did...for more :rolleyes: I'm just thinking to start a new business...cachin cachin :D

I took a video too, check at home page - RC video Gallery - Boat videos

[toesup]

Ralph, you bloody mercenary---. :D

Wood is expensive... so is the paint... AND the other bits and pieces...

This recovery 'thing' can get expensive you know.. :p

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Did you get your $8.76 recovery fee?? :rolleyes:


The fee seems to have gone up, or is that the X-change rate there...

Ralph did that to me, when my boat sucked up some debris into
the props, I told him I would walk out and get it....
Ever try to chase down Mustang Sally while "running" through 2.5 feet of water?
as she absconds with your crippled boat...
Don't.... :o

[toesup]

The fee seems to have gone up

Inflation... *sigh*... ;)

[woodybob]

sure i did...for more :rolleyes: I'm just thinking to start a new business...cachin cachin :D

Scooter (http://wavelit.com/media/926/A_Springer_Named_Scooter/) workin’ for free…

a Kmot video

[sergio_Italy]

Scooter (http://wavelit.com/media/926/A_Springer_Named_Scooter/) workin’ for free…

a Kmot video

hei, psssttt pssst..toesup...listen, someone here is dumping services on the market... :rolleyes:

[sergio_Italy]

Scooter (http://wavelit.com/media/926/A_Springer_Named_Scooter/) workin’ for free…

a Kmot video

...anyway, woodybob, your little wild horse sails so well, it looks great on the water...and on its stand too ;)

[der kapitan]

Ralph did that to me, when my boat sucked up some debris into
the props, I told him I would walk out and get it....
Ever try to chase down Mustang Sally while "running" through 2.5 feet of water?

He has no shame, I tell ya---. :p

[mr badwrench]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9866016&postcount=3944

I need a kick in the pants to restart my project..... my paint didn't work and I don't even know where to start with a rudder.... I have some 1/2in ABS sheeting... can I use it for a rudder? what about a kort nozzle are there any places I can look at pics to get an idea?

[Tugboat Andy]

If you look back a bit, Toes and I worked on some DIY kort nozzles with some luck. You could easily adapt this method to a larger kort nozzle.

[woodybob]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9866016&postcount=3944

I need a kick in the pants to restart my project..... I don't even know where to start with a rudder....

Rudder 101... (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8304299&postcount=2363)

[der kapitan]

Boy! This is a tough room to play in---. :eek:

[Tugboat Andy]

I recieved a surprise addition to the TBA boatwerks werkshop this morning courtesy of one of the parental units. I hope this werks (er...works!) I think I'll still be on the lookout for a 500mah trickle charger but, this one claims to be smart and will charge and a very reduced rate indefinitely after the batteries are topped off.

[toesup]

I recieved a surprise addition to the TBA boatwerks werkshop this morning

Does it do 6v and 12v?...

[Tugboat Andy]

Yes. The instructions say I can expect 4-5 hours to charge a 4ah battery. I hope this is more better. :)

[toesup]

Whilst viewing Mr Kmots thread (very interesting by the way) on FLAGS, Mrs Toes wandered away and started to look at the other pages on the website Mr Kmot mentioned..
Half way down the 'Doll's / Crew' page, Mrs Toes spotted (and drew my attention to) a SPRINGER :eek:
http://www.demo.com.hk/dollboat/dollboataccessories.htm

Aparently this chap in Hong Kong makes Springers...:eek:
http://www.demo.com.hk/project/tailormade/tailormade.htm

Questions..
Why did we not know of this before?
Is this the begining of the end for the home-built Springer as we know (and love) it?
Are there to be a plethora of China made RTR 'knock off' Springers arriving in the LHS soon?
Are we to be innundated at out local pools by RTR Springers on 27mhz radio frequencies and using cheap car motors... causing mayhem and destruction?...
Does this mean the end of this thread?

These questions (and others.. obviously) need to be answered...

Yours Sincerely
'Worried of Vancouver, Wa'

[Kmot]

Correction, his is a "Work Mule". :p

[toesup]

Correction, his is a "Work Mule". :p

If it looks like a Springer, tastes like a Springer and smells like a Springer..

Then it MUST be a Springer... :p

[Tugboat Andy]

If it looks like a Springer, tastes like a Springer and smells like a Springer..

Then it MUST be a Springer... :p

Ignorance is bliss. Looks like he is working on the Footy market as well. A double blow! :censored:

[arrow5]

Correction, his is a "Work Mule". :p
" a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"... but welded edge hull and a very nice scale rudder, more Mule than Springer I`d say. Same father , different mothers maybe :rolleyes:

[steamboatmodel]

From his site it looks like he is a rich boy playing with all his toys and selling things on the side. He also has an "Alligator".
Regards,
Gerald

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Red Oktober off to Wales? :eek:

[der kapitan]

From his site it looks like he is a rich boy playing with all his toys and selling things on the side. He also has an "Alligator".
Regards,Gerald

Looking at that site and the products offered, I somehow walk away rather
unimpressed---. :p

And I doubt if he'll make any serious inroads into the Springer group---. ;)

If any at all---. :rolleyes:

[steamboatmodel]

What nobody working on Springers?
Regards,
Gerald.
PS I do have a couple on my todo list, but they are not neer the top.

[arrow5]

Steam Springers Gerald ?

[valo]

What nobody working on Springers?
i am (still) ..... :D

but have just moved and currently rebuilding my shop :)

[toesup]

What nobody working on Springers?

In between doing other things...

I'm cutting out the hull parts for the 'O' Type and 'J' type Springers... ;)

Yep, thats another two Springers soon to be revealed on the (un-suspecting) world...

[ken orme]

I am working on mine but at the rate I am going I will need ice skates on it.

Ken

[arrow5]

Not an ice-yacht Springer Ken ???? :eek:

[CGAux26]

Any ideas on how to make a STANDARD Springer back in a reasonably straight line? Has anyone added additional skegs or keels, on the back or front with any success? How about bilge keels?

After a year of operating my first Springer, I can make it back reasonably straight, unless I let the prop walk get ahold of it. Then it just pinwheels until I give it a bit of forward. My boat has just a small keel as required by the rules to play water polo.

Dave

[Kmot]

'O' Type and 'J' type Springers

Outboard or outdrive, and jet drive.

[toesup]

Any ideas on how to make a STANDARD Springer back in a reasonably straight line?


Dave...
If you find a way to make a Standard Springer back up in a straight line, PLEASE let us know.... :o

[toesup]

Outboard or outdrive, and jet drive.

Tut tut Mr Kmot.... guessing again...

Outboard?.. hmm, there is an idea... :rolleyes:
Jet drive?... hmmmm, NOT one of those Graupner thingies ;)

[nick_75au]

I dont know why but on the brushed motor I had the same problem, I think it was a combination of the esc's reduced reverse output and prop rpm too low. With the outrunner I had full reverse control :confused:
Nick

[Kmot]

Turbojet?

[Rex R]

hmmm, outrigger...outrunner, junk...all I can come up with at the moment :)
rex

[steamboatmodel]

Steam Springers Gerald ?
Maybe

[der kapitan]

In between doing other things...
I'm cutting out the hull parts for the 'O' Type and 'J' type Springers... ;)
Yep, thats another two Springers soon to be revealed on the (un-suspecting) world...
Toes, you've come up with a most interesting fleet of Springers thus far---. :)

So I'll just sit and wait for the "O" and "J" type to materialize---. :D

[keith S]

The "o" and "j" type Springers. can only mean a couple of things. 1)They are going to make you smile like a fresh glass of OJ or 2) they are going to be killer out on the water with no respect and have to pay them to be there. :eek: :p

[toesup]

Red Oktober's World Tour

Some vid taken at Llanberis (North Wales) at the Model Boat Mayhem 'bash'..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3DXy_rWRP8

[Tugboatjoe]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a41/Tugboatjoe/DSC01097.jpghttp://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a41/Tugboatjoe/DSC01098.jpg

[toesup]

As Mr Aero asked...

...you need to post a video of M.S., "un-tied" ;)

Its not a vid, but i think you will get the general idea...
(Found at the Model tug forum . com)
Pic by 'puffin' via Tugs53 at the Foss Cup

[Aerominded]

Hee hee! :D

[toesup]

Toesup Boat Werks News Release

While i was waiting for some varnish to dry on another project, i have Started on the next two Springer versions from the TBW.

This is the beginings of the 'O' and 'J' types from the TBW's. ;)

[Tugboat Andy]

That's just plain sick....and I am so jealous ;) :D

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

toesup,...

Pop out a third hull for the raffle next year... :p

[Kmot]

What did you use to cut those parts?

[dlapalme@cfl.r]

Looks like CNC Laser cutting don't it? Dennis

[nick_75au]

He's going to tell us he did it by hand, :p cant you see all the pencil marks on the pieces :)

[Kmot]

Yes I saw those pencil notes. It looks like he may be using a mini mill now. Or just a very steady hand with an oscillating sander. :)

[sergio_Italy]

:eek: yes, i was looking at those neat cuts too...mumble mumble

[Tugboat Andy]

I know there is some jibberish about form following function. But these parts are pure artwerk (er...if boats come from boatwerks does art come from artwerks?).

Beautiful Toes! Keep it up. It is inspiring :)

[toesup]

What did you use to cut those parts?

Sorry guys, no laser cutter here, no oscillating sander... :p

Its all done with just a scroll-saw and sand paper wrapped round a 'block' to finish it off.
Does that count as 'doing it by hand'?.... ;)

[timo2]

Hi toesup

Scrollsaw ? or Jigsaw ? or Power Fretsaw ? . Hand held or Bench

Timo2

[woodybob]

Lookin' good!

[toesup]

Scollsaw ? or Jigsaw ? Hand held or Bench



Its a cheap Delta scroll-saw... and the only bench i have is this..
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1990205

[timo2]

Hi Toesup

A very good bit of standard equipment solid cast unit .Just need to up grade the blades .

PS
( ex tool dealer Hand and light machines ( Kity,Delta,Record,Myford.) 30+ years )

Timo2

[Kmot]

Well, that is pretty impressive handiwork toes!

[toesup]

Well, that is pretty impressive handiwork toes!

Thanks guys.. :o

[timo2]

Hi Toesup

If i send out to you some ply can you cut me out a Springer Set . ;)

Plus a ( very ) small payment :) for the time.

( Boat works in spare bedroom the " BOSS " says no to power machines )

Timo2

[dlapalme@cfl.r]

I was just kidding about the CNC Laser(no burnt edges). I've said before your Springers were sharp. Now we know even your inside work is just as nice. Dennis

[steamboatmodel]

When I was working at CNC I always wanted to use the Mill to cut out some boat frames, but never got a chance. I wonder if I could CNC my scroll saw, as I never get results as good as yours manually.
Regards,
Gerald

[ken orme]

Some progress is being made

I cut the skeg into 2 pieces then used bondo to fasted the shaft tube. The prop is scratch made. Still do not know what I am goint to use for a motor.

Ken

[toesup]

The prop is scratch made. Still do not know what I am goint to use for a motor.

Thats a NICE prop Ken!.... any details on how you made it?... :o

Motors can be anything you like. from the cheap ($12) Tamiya 'can' from Tower to some of the more expensive car motors. The beauty is that the motors are easily interchangable.

Keep up the good work!. :)

[woodybob]

Humm…Football Tugboat (http://www.inlandnauticalsociety.com/equipment.htm)

[toesup]

Humm…Football Tugboat (http://www.inlandnauticalsociety.com/equipment.htm)

Thats been around for quite a while WoodyBob..

By the way, when i 'played' the INS, Tigger, Templeton and Scoot were running rings round the OFB's... :D

[woodybob]

Oh...don't I feel like a idiot.

[FlyingCheetahs]

I would like to build one of thees but I am a complete novice at boats.
How do I seal the motor shaft?
Would blue core work?

Thanks :)

[woodybob]

Start here... Discussion - Springer Class R/c Boats (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522762), your questions will be answered.

[toesup]

I would like to build one of thees but I am a complete novice at boats.
How do I seal the motor shaft?
Would blue core work?


Welcome FlyingCheetahs.. to the bestest thread on the Net.

The motor shaft can be had from many sources and is just a tube with a drive shaft and a pair of bearings, one at each end of the tube. Grease in the tube stops the water getting up the tube and in to the boat.
Look at 'Shaft / Stuffing Box' :)
http://www.harbormodels.com/site08/main_pages/propulsion.htm

Arrow 5 was experimenting with Blue Core foam sheathed in ply..
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8785355&postcount=2669

When you build your Springers (You will build 2, they are addictive!) please post some pics of your builds.

[arrow5]

Yes Cheetahs, welcome, the blue-cor system works well. 1/16th ply skin bottom,1/8th sides and glassed with model aircraft wing skinning grade woven cloth f/glass and epoxy to make a bullet-proof unsinkable (dont ask) Springer. Pics below, she is still going strong, been out in ice and sunshine,rain, wind etc etc. Not a traditional build but it works. You might have to carry some ballast to bring it up to "racing weight".

[FlyingCheetahs]

Thanks.
I think I will use blue core.
How do I seal the rudder shaft?

p.s. Nice looking boat. :D

[arrow5]

Check the link Toesup gave in his post. Note that my hull is thick slabs of blue-foam not fan-fold (too flimsy) the two side pieces are the Springer profile and the front and rear are nose and tail pieces are solid blocks. The "engine room" box is lined with 1/16" balsa well sealed and contains all the gear, motor, batteries sitting as low as possible. The R/X and speed controller and rudder servo are on a shelf to the back of this area , high up so as not to collect any bilge water. Drill this shelf with a few random holes for drainage too. A music wire rod goes to a proprietary rudder tube from your LHS, grease will keep water out but make the top of the tube well above the waterline. Make sure you get a brass rod rudder shaft so you can solder a 2" sq. rudder to it. A simple brass tube pushed through the foam would do just as well with a close fit (greased) rudder shaft. Let the bottom of the tube protrude about 3/16" , epoxy top and bottom. Hope this is clear.

[FlyingCheetahs]

OK I see.
Are there any tiled plans for letter sized paper?
Thanks :)

[CG Bob]

I don't think that tiled plans are really needed as this isn't a complicated model. If you follow the original plans (http://nwrcsm.freeyellow.com/springer.PDF), the steps to lay out the hull shape are pretty easy.
Cut your two side pieces 18" long.
Make a mark every 1" along the deck edge (top of the side), you should have 17 marks between the bow and stern.
Use a square, extend the the lines down towards the bottom.
At each line, measure down from the deck the appropriate length and mark. The bow mark is 1 & 5/16", the next mark is 2 & 1/2", etc.
Connect the dots or marks to determine the hull bottom shape.
Cut out the sides.

[FlyingCheetahs]

Hear it is so far.

[FlyingCheetahs]

How do you build a stuffing box?
Are there any threads on it?
Thanks :)

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

How do you build a stuffing box?
Are there any threads on it?
Thanks :)

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437771

http://www.towboatjoe.com/shafts.htm

:cool:

[toesup]

Hear it is so far.

If thats blue foam i see, its not going to be strong enough. :eek:

Do as Arrow5 suggested and cover the outsides in ply or GF.
Are you going to cut blocks of foam to fit the insides?..

[woodybob]

Kinda looks like a disposable paint tray. :confused:

[FlyingCheetahs]

Umi_Ryuzuki

Thanks for the info. That looks simple enough.

woodybob

The lines are ware I cut and bent the foam.

toesup

I plan to put support struts in the hull.
I also did a float test and it seemed ridged enough.
I will strengthen it if it is not strung enough. :)

[toesup]

toesup

I plan to put support struts in the hull.
I also did a float test and it seemed ridged enough.
I will strengthen it if it is not strung enough. :)

Support 'struts' (Keel's and bulkheads) will still not make it strong enough. It may seem rigid, but with motor, radio and (especially) batteries, foam of that thickness will not be enough support without either a ply facing or GF'ing.

[arrow5]

Cheetas, I warned against using fanfold. Your boat is far too flimsy, look again at the link Toesup gave regarding the construction of my Coastguard Springer it is virtualy a solid block of Dow-Corning blue foam made up from 1.5" thick sheets. There is no merit in lightweight construction methods. You will have to carry a lot of ballast, even with two gel-cells .

[FlyingCheetahs]

I just wont to experiment if it doesn't work I will add wood or fiber glass. :)

[arrow5]

Good thats the spirit, :) let us know how you get on. Use epoxy resin, polyester will eat the blue-cor. :(

[FlyingCheetahs]

Some more pics.

[arrow5]

Looks great needs a couple of full depth vertical sheet bulkheads to stop sides curving inwards. about 1/3rd spacing. Hope you skin in with epoxy and glass. What adhesive did you use ? Any overlap on the lid , shoebox style?

[FlyingCheetahs]

Looks great needs a couple of full depth vertical sheet bulkheads to stop sides curving inwards. about 1/3rd spacing. Hope you skin in with epoxy and glass. What adhesive did you use ? Any overlap on the lid , shoebox style?

I used a combination sumo glue and hot glue.
There is no overlap. I plan to glue the top on when the electronics are in. I will then change the battery by lifting the cabin off.

[arrow5]

Thanks, pics on water next ?

[RC-Archer]

Some more pics.

Good looking boat, Cheetah! Let us know how it works out!!

[FlyingCheetahs]

Hear you go.

[woodybob]

Nice job, looks good.

[arrow5]

Well done Cheetas, looks great. Welcome to the "Foamy Springers club" (just you `n me so far !) You going to paint her ?

[arrow5]

The lightship shown is all blue-foam covered in brown wrapping paper using slightly dilluted waterproof wood-glue (Titebond II) and painted with enamel (Humbrol). Any oil based household paint would do. The deck-houses are Tupperware type containers , she hasnt missed them yet !!!! :eek:

[woodybob]

Very clever arrow, it looks great.

[Kmot]

I missed Sprinkler before. Wow! :)

[sergio_Italy]

i like the light ship :D

[woodybob]

Scooter finally got a name slapped/sprayed on.
Supplied by Callie Graphics (http://www.callie-graphics.com/), light gray vinyl.

Not happy with color or placement, I peeled off the vinyl Scooter, lined up a stencil I got from CG, hit it with flat black. Liking more better...

[toesup]

Scooter finally got and name slapped on.
Supplied by Callie Graphics (http://www.callie-graphics.com/), light gray vinyl.

That finishes Scooter off nicely Woodybob... :D