G3 Emulator ??

[CHEF-UK]

Hi I noticed this on Ebay and wondered if Realflight had released it.

***** deleted as not to cause more upset to people around here.

[Malc C]

Oh come on...


It allows you to use Realflight G3 without the USB Dongle


So it circumvents the G3 copy protection



Mind you, then again it came on what looked like a non professional cd.


So its obviously a pritated copy of the software.. or you are simply buying the crack to emulate the copy protection so the simulator is fooled into running.

Looking at what the guy's listing

This is a CD containing software made by a 3rd party (not Realflight). This enables you if you have damaged, lost or misplaced your USB Dongle, for Realflight G3 to still be able to use G3 without the USB dongle.
It comes on one CD, with easy to follow install instructions.

He also stated that he is only selling the crack.. sorry, emulation software...although he can supply G3 as well. Did you have G3, are you using the G3 demo, or did you also buy a cheap copy of G3 at the time of purchasing the crack .. sorry emulator ??

[CHEF-UK]

I borrowed a copy of G3 to see if i like it 1st, then if i do like it, I shall go out and buy a myself a copy of G3 with a nice shiny box to sit on top of my wardrobe gathering dust for years to come.

[Malc C]

Hee hee.. do I detect a note of sarcasum (sp) in your reply ;)

I mean, if you already have an illegal pirated copy of G3 plus a crack to run it... why would you want to shell out and spend over a hundred quid on the genuine article ??

[CHEF-UK]

LOL Malc C, me Sarcasm never. :):):) well only every other minute

Well it works and it was cheap. Something to do when weather's crap.

[Takahato]

And it naver came to your mind that you are doing something not wanted by the software maker? That's strange. Very strange in fact as you must have found the G3 cds somewhere.

[nemo_uk]

even stranger that he decided to post about it on a forum owned by the General Manager of the software company he has just ripped off :eek:

[Mark Wood]

Gee. Think Jimbo knows about this yet? ;)

mw

[rutat]

heh... some guy is selling the hacked software (no dongle needed) for 6 pounds. Crazy. You'd think he'd at least try to get a reasonable price No honor amongst thieves I guess. :)

[SpleenRippa]

heh... some guy is selling the hacked software (no dongle needed) for 6 pounds. Crazy. You'd think he'd at least try to get a reasonable price No honor amongst thieves I guess. :)



Charging more would be honourable? :-\

[nemo_uk]

Sorry I misunderstood.. I thought you had purchased it.

[Tweener]

Gray areas.

"This is a CD containing software made by a 3rd party (not Realflight). This enables you if you have damaged, lost or misplaced your USB Dongle, for Realflight G3 to still be able to use G3 without the USB dongle.
It comes on one CD, with easy to follow install instructions."

Note that nowhere does it say that it allows you to use a copy of G3 - though we all know it will if it works with G3 at all. What stinks is that they finally got rid of all the SafeDisk crap that causes problems for some CD ROMs with a legitimate disk in the drive, and makes it nearly impossible to make a safety backup of an expensive piece of software (I lost some software and a computer in a fire last year that was confined to one room. If I'd had my originals stored in a different place, I'd still have them.) Stuff like this will only make Knife Edge start using both security measures together. :mad:

[rutat]

You can copy the G2 disk all you like. No SAfeDisk or other sector savers there. But that is not what this crack, er... emulation software does as we all know (nudge, nudge, wink, wink...).

[rutat]

Here's what the ebay seller says:

"Please Note: This is an emulated software package and comes with no hardware. You must have your own joystick in order to run it. You can pick up a joystick from a computer store for as little as five pounds if you dont already have one. Emulation with this software simply means that this game is configured to run without the original controller. It comes on 2 disks and clear instructions are given in order to make this work. You really wont be disappointed. I can promise that."

[CHEF-UK]

and i have reported this a couple of times to Ebay and it still has not been pulled.

[CHEF-UK]

I am doing a LIVE chat with ebay now, so hopefully it will be pulled. ill post chat soon

Basic edited version:

Me: I reported a item about 2 days ago that is being sold that is a was of getting around pirate copyprotection. This item is still being sold. Item number is 8287150952 MAY i ask why this item has not been removed off of Ebay ?

Your chat session has started..

Bonnie Li.: Hello and welcome to eBay Live Chat! My name is Bonnie. I invite you to share your feedback about our chat today, by filling out a brief survey when we are finished.

Me: you there ?

Bonnie Li.: That is a very good question and one I wish I could answer for you, When you reported the item, did you write in or did you use the link at the bottom of the item page?

Me: I never found the link at the bottom of that actual auction page

Me: i just used some contact ebay on your web site about selling

Me: There is a large forum post about this on a radio control web site that i go to, I can post the web address is you want ?

Bonnie Li.: Okay , that is one way, however at the bottom of the item page should be a link that says Report this item. That is usually much quicker.

Me: You see this software costs around £150 - £180 UK pounds. and what this item on Ebay is doing is getting round the COPY protection procedure

Bonnie Li.: Let me check this item and I will be right with you .

Me: ok Thanks

Me: I am looking at that ADD now, where is this report link ? I cannot see it for the life of me ?

Bonnie Li: It might not be on that page if it is not on the US site. I am bringing up the item page now.

Me: oh its on the UK site, then thats why

Bonnie Li.: Yes, at the bottom of this page you can see it under the Buy it Now

Bonnie Li.: It is directly under What else can you do?

Me: not on the www.ebay.co.uk site ?

Me: well i cannot see it, i must be blind lol

Me: anyhow, dont you think it should perhaps be pulled ?

Bonnie Li: I checked the listing and it is at the very bottom of the page. What else can you do?
Back to My eBay | Ask seller a question | Report this item | Printer Version

Me: I see it now. BUT if you go on the UK version of EBAY it is not on there

Me: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Realflight-G3-Emulation-Software-Fully-Working_W0QQitemZ8287150952QQcategoryZ11051QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Me: how strange, that the UK version does not have it although the USA version does

Me: The UK site does not have it at this time, but I am certain it will soon .

Me: great stuff,,

Me: will you remove the listing then ?

Bonnie Li.: It will go to Listing Practices and they will review it and then make a decision on that. I cannot in General Live Chat.

Me: okay, well hopefully it will get sorted, thank you for your time Bonnie Li

Bonnie Li.: You are welcome. Thank you for using eBay Live Chat. Please feel welcome to return any time that you have a question or concern

Me: cheers, dont suppose you fancy coming round to mine for a bit of personal Ebay customer support do you. I need someone to share my shower with me to check it is safe for two people ?. I take it you are a hot slim women with long legs ?

Bonnie Li: Thank you. I am now suspending your account for ever you english swine.





Okay last few lines i may have made up lol :p

[rutat]

You better not plan on tracking all of them down: that sw and even USB cables with the encoded chip are all over the ebays of the world.

[bluesky123]

You better not plan on tracking all of them down: that sw and even USB cables with the encoded chip are all over the ebays of the world.

It is hard to defeat software pirats, but it needs to be done. One by one they should be brought to justice!

In this situation, when clearly illegal software is sold on eBay, I'm mostly outraged by eBay--they don't seem to care what crap is sold on their auctions, as long as the sellers are paying their dues. That's no better than piracy!

:(
Boris

[Malc C]

The problem is that by the time any report gets filed, opend, checked out and then a verdict made and an action put in place, more often than not the auction has ended and its too late (mind you this time they have a week to pull their fingers out)

The issue of the cost of the genuine item makes no difference. I've seen list on various sites (all in the cause of research you understand) for cracks and serials (or should that be serialz ;) ) for some appliactions that are less than $20. At the end of the day, for every application that appears on the market that uses some protection and is seen as bing quite popular, there will be someone or a group that provide the means of circumnavigating the protection. Some say they do it just because they can, others claim they are proving to the developers just how simple it might be to crack the software, whilst others do it just for the challange.

The thing I can't follow Chef-uk, is at the beginning of this thread you posted as if you had purchased it, including a copy of G3 and was "promoting" the item by telling others where it can be found. Yet latter posts you seem to come over as saying that you found the item on e-bay and now are doing your good deed for the day by reporting the listings ?

[CHEF-UK]

Im a gemini, therefore a two faced lying (man without a father) :)

who knows, at the end of the day it gets dark!

[Tweener]

You can copy the G2 disk all you like. No SAfeDisk or other sector savers there. Not true. I have the older non-interlink version of G2 and have not been able to make a working backup. It has SafeDisk protection and my CDRW drive cannot duplicate the weak sectors, though I can get a good image from it. The worst part is that I have to keep putting it in the drive to run the software. If that weren't the case, a backup wouldn't be as important because I could just safely store it once it was installed. Once the interlink came about, SafeDisk was dropped. My worry is that they'll use both now and working backups will be impossible again when I get around to buying G3. BTW, I have none of the add-ons. I've heard that they keep you from needing the disk in the drive.

[rutat]

You are simply using the wrong software. EOS. SafeDisk is not a particulary robust CD security system. There are LOTS of great systems to secure CDs - but SD is not one of them. Not that anything can;t be defeated though...

[Xptical]

I think you all are missing the real need here. People would like to be able to use their actual radios to fly on G3. There is no other way than to use this crack.

If G3 would allow people to use their own radio, then most of this would go away.

Personally, when I saw what G3 had and compared it to FMS, it was a no-brainer. FMS wins hands down.


Aside from that, I don't think anyone should have a problem with someone running this tool. If I legally purchaced G3, then I have a right to use the program as I see fit. If I didn't legally purchace G3 and I choose to use the crack, the odds are that I'd have never dropped the $200 on it in the first place. Either way, the G3 developers haven't lost anything.

BTW, paying for the tool on ebay is silly. 5 minutes in Google with the right terms leads you to a place to download it for free.

[Malc C]

Personally, when I saw what G3 had and compared it to FMS, it was a no-brainer. FMS wins hands down.

:eek: :D :D :D Oh please...

FMS is nowhere near the the same league as the top three sims. Its gflight physics is crap.. The only good thing going for FMS is that its free, and provides BASIC orientaion

You can use your own TX with all the leading sims, some, like XTR via a dongle, others via a port on the interlink controller.

Also, as I stated above, price doesn't come it to it. If Reflex, knife edge or Ipacs all dropped their prices and made the retail price for the sims just $30 there would someone who would still offer a crack (hardware or software) for them. At the end of the day there is no getting away from the fact that this practice goes on, and some of the manufatures have a different stance on what actions to take. Reflex, as we've seen, will activlty take legal proceedings to protect its copyright and products. Knifeedge and Ipacs seem to do things quietly out of the puplic gaze, or simply accept the fact and absorb the damage caused by pirated copies and cracks, which might go someway to explaining why they cost so much ?

[Tweener]

You are simply using the wrong software. EOS.Epilogue. Hardware is also an issue. Without listing all the techniques/software I've tried (the fire was a great motivator), I have not been able to find one burning program that will put the good image I've made on a working disk with my CDRW. I have heard some suggest that the hardware manufacturers are in league with the copy protection companies because firmware upgrades often cause older CDRW drives to fail in this when they had previously succeeded. From a software manual I have on the subject: "There are meanwhile many different programs being able to do perfect copies - but they have all one thing in common, they need a recorder not automatically correcting unreadable sectors when burning the CD."

BTW, I know it's a good image because I can mount it as a virtual drive and it works perfectly. But I want a backup, not a huge image on my box with other software running in the background that emulates a drive.

[rutat]

You are correct about hardware. On several counts - including that some drives are on the SAfedisc "blacklist". In some cases you actually have to rename your CD writer.

[Tweener]

You are correct about hardware. On several counts - including that some drives are on the SAfedisc "blacklist". In some cases you actually have to rename your CD writer.Ah, ha! So what you are saying is that the firmware upgrades are a concession by the drive makers to get the software running at all? That the "blacklist" info won't allow the program to even install or run? If so, that would explain why my old drive wouldn't even run some of the software I had.

[rutat]

Correct! Hardware and software work together to deny emulation/copying. Frankly it does tick me off when game mfgs. do this - I'd like to be able to LEGALLY (as in I own the darn thing!) create a virtual drive so the kid's "Petz" CD does not have to be in the freakin' drive. Can't tell you how many CDs we've lost/scratched etc.

[Malc C]

I'm mostly outraged by eBay--they don't seem to care what crap is sold on their auctions, as long as the sellers are paying their dues. That's no better than piracy!

:(
Boris

Well they've seem to of acted fairly quickly this time
This listing (#8287150952) has been removed or is no longer available.

[CHEF-UK]

hopefully because i reported that to Ebay.

But i bet it wont be long before someones back

[rutat]

It is already available on a Thai site. Gotta love the net, eh??

[TazzyUK]

The Ebay chap I spotted is selling it for £10!!

USE THE SPECIAL TOOL WHICH I PROVIDE WITH THIS SOFTWARE WHICH ENABLES YOU TO USE A JOYSTICK.

It's the software only...but 'Realflight G3' doesn't come without hardware does it???

How come it's still on there??

Surely it's pirated!!

Blatant or what!

I've just paid £103 for mine 2nd hand!

[rutat]

Well of course it is pirated. There is a crack for most dongle software; this guy is selling an emulatore for the one G3 uses.

[Max Stanford]

I dont see it on ebay.

[TazzyUK]

Well of course it is pirated. There is a crack for most dongle software; this guy is selling an emulatore for the one G3 uses.

Yes there is..but it's not usually there in black & white for all to see!!!!

Even the 'Gnomon Workshop DVD's he is selling are pirated!

[CHEF-UK]

I have reported him anyhow, ebay should pull it from auction in about 8 weeks :(

I just got a warning from RCGroups for posting that I have reported him to ebay?

Im lost ! ????

[Malc C]

To some extent you have to give that guy selling the crack on e-bay some credit. To have the balls to do so knowing that he risks being reported to E-Bay, FAST and possibly Knife Edge takes guts, either that or he's that ruddy stupid he don't care. The fact that his crack for G3 is being discussed here (and possibly on other forums) is the best form of advertising he could wish for..we're all guilty of promoting his listing, and as the manufactures of G3 have a heavy involvement with this forum, and the thread is still active, must show you how much they really care about this thing... now if it was a crack for Reflex XTR it might be a different story ;)