New Double Design Style

[taiwanyuyu]

The new style helicopter will soon appear on market.

[AnnihilaT]

hmmmm......

[GGoodrum]

Hmm is right... It looks TRex sized, but with a Joker-like Moving Flybar System head?

[Steph280]

And a logo that resembles CSM :)

[will p3]

At least the swift has a competitor for the worlds ugliest canopy now.
its named after a ship that sank and from the photos even the blurry shots dont hide the obvious low quality of this kit. more junk , great!.

[sharky47]

Canopy looks like it came from the Power Rangers set department.........

[glloq2]

The "world first patented floatring type rotor control module" is just a copy of the Joker and 3DMP system which has already been patented by Joker and Henseleit about 7 years ago.......
I just wonder where this GOzaur one is patented, Timbuktu, Taipeh or Shenzen ?????

[will p3]

worlds first patented design!, TRUE! but not neccesarily thier design, you see ?:) very smart.

[e-heliflyer]

Looks like a division of Walkera.LOL This will be the flagship of Walkera. :D

[Heli Mod Man]

Wow, 1 post. That pretty much says it all. :D

Matt

[ncrego]

I think the canopy looks pretty cool. I'll reserve judgement on the rest of it until we see it for real.

IMHO, the Logo 24 Bionic is by far the ugliest canopy ever designed.

[Tom Viper]

IMHO, the Logo 24 Bionic is by far the ugliest canopy ever designed.

Agreed! Ralf must have been smooking something in Amsterdam when he designed that one :D

http://www.ezfly.se/Files/Logo24_smoked.jpg

These blurry pics, the design of the rotorhub etc. looks weak. There are two companies that have pattented the Floating Flybar, Henseleit and Minicopter.
Both designed it witout knowledge of each others project, and decided to go ahead with it on two diffrent pattends.

[taiwanyuyu]

Mars 3D

[shades]

Both designed it witout knowledge of each others project, and decided to go ahead with it on two diffrent pattends.

i've heard otherwse, it was designed by both of them, gerd and jan certainly know each other well.

[AnnihilaT]

I think the heli looks cool in general but their marketing guy needs some english lessons and that name is just HORRIBLE. More importantly, whats it cost and how does it fly!?

[askman]

MFS head was originally issued "patent" in germany. in reality from what I can find out, it was form of cottage industry patent, that could be upgraded to real patent. it was never issued patent anywhere else as far as I can find out. that is why century 3dpro and others are using same type of head. anyway, another micro from far east. :rolleyes:

[taiwanyuyu]

There are two major types of traditional RC helicopter controls:
1. MPM Control Mode (four points at 90° apart form a plane for the cross plate control mode).
2. CCPM Control Mode (three points at 120° apart form a plane for the cross plate control mode.

The drawback of the first type, MPM mode, that uses four points at 90° apart form a plane for the cross plate control mode resides on that the servo controls the AILE to move back and forth, the ELEV to move left, right and slantingly, and the pitch of the cross plate for moving up and down by the principle of lever provided by an extended pulling rod through the cross plates at 90° apart. The servo with such control mode can install the center of gravity freely, but it may cause a larger idle position of the moving path due to the connection of the pulling rod or can each position for the lever movement of AILE, ELEV and PITCH by each servo that results in (1) each servo entails strenuous effort to control the servo for each position, if the an instant movement for each position is change suddenly. (2) The pulling control through the pulling lever can provide smooth movements and require sleeves or bearing components which have to increase the weight and cost inevitably. However, the high-precision high-cost servo is standard equipment, and thus it becomes a major drawback of this structure.

The drawbacks of the second type, CCPM control mode that uses three points at 120° apart form a plane for the cross plate control mode resides on that it is insufficient and prohibited for taking the principle of lever for the vertical and horizontal multiple moving points into consideration only. We also have to consider the displacement difference of the angle of multiple moving point lever movement and integrate the servo with the moment of the arm of the CCPM cross plate structure to optimize the zero discrepancy of the CCPM system and satisfy the requirements of full positions.

In the Gazaur’s new-generation innovative design concept, the CCPM servo central bearing seat can fix vertical and horizontal sideboards of any form. The three points at 120° apart of the CCPM cross plate directly connects the pulling rod, and the way of fixing the servo constitute a perfect and precise golden triangle, and the brand new structure compensate the insufficient angle of the swinging arm of the servo, such that the movements of AILE and ELEV do not require a setting for remote controller mixer control and also do not affect the up and down positions of the pitch point at all.

[mhale71]

if by main rotor: 720mm , he means itll swing 720s , that makes it a 90 size...

but it looks so much like anothe heli im thinking of its just not funny.

Anyout Else Who Thinks This Is A Rippoff Of The Revolution Raise Their Hand With Me.

edit : ok screw that thought i jsut read height 235 mm and length 720mm ... :o

umm, could be a scaled down revolution, jsut like how the origional trex was a scaled down raptor, in this case... whats say we give them 8 monthes and about 7 different varients to release a half decent version :p ...


2nd edit (wow really need to start reading entire threads before posting :rolleyes: ) : i THINK this says it all about the intelect of helicotpers this company has:

There are two major types of traditional RC helicopter controls:
1. PPM Control Mode (four points at 90° apart form a plane for the cross plate control mode).
2. CCPM Control Mode (three points at 120° apart form a plane for the cross plate control mode.

what about PCM ??? :p

---mike

[ncrego]

Why are people bashing this guy? You haven't even seen his product beyond a couple of small pics. Give the guy a break, English is obviously not his first language, but I'm betting he speaks it a hell of a lot better than you do his. He's also got a handle on the concepts involved in the mechanics of a heli (with a HEAVY dose of marketing thrown in there), so why give him all this crap?


but it looks so much like anothe heli im thinking of its just not funny.

All helis are similar.


Anyout Else Who Thinks This Is A Rippoff Of The Revolution Raise Their Hand With Me.

Similar, not identical. If no one was able to base anything off of what happened before, what would we be flying today? Old Schluters?

1. PPM Control Mode
2. CCPM Control Mode


You've got to understand that is the nomenclature his company uses for each mixing system. Kinda like Hirobo, they use HPM and SWM for the 2 mixes.


umm, could be a scaled down revolution, jsut like how the origional trex was a scaled down raptor,

Come on man, if you think the Trex was a scaled down Raptor you've either:

A: Never seen a Raptor
B: Never seen a T-Rex

Again similarities, but not even close to a scaled down Raptor. New helis have to be based on previous ones. Do you cry when when a new car comes out from Mercedes, and say that they copied BMW because they both have seats, wheels, doors, and a hood? Of course not, because that'd be just as ridiculous as saying that a new heli coming to the market is ripping of something else.

This certainly doesn't look like something that'll set the world on fire, but with the tiny bit of info we have on it, and the pics available, no one can really judge this heli. The head looks similar to a Revolutions, cool. Those are supposed to fly very well, if this is similar, then maybe it'll fly well. Beyond that, I don't know anything about this product, and neither do you.

[bat]

Unfortunately ncrego,
alot of companies get thier products copied in asia and then they are pased of as a new original product. Most rc hobbiest on this forum have very little tolerance for piracy. Many who participate on these threads have thier own hobby busnisses weather it is after market frames or power systems or in some cases reps from the big companies themselves. That means that many have a vested interest in there hobby and can be directly affected by cheap knock offs. I am not saying that this post is one of those types knock offs I reserve those comments for those who know more than I do. I just wanted you to know that most people on this forum are very tolerant and patient with indaviduals from other countries, and can be very considerate concerning those who struggle with English. However on the flip side very little mercy is shown to those who promote pirated products. The difficulty is drawing the line between piracy and synthesis of design concepts.

[taiwanyuyu]

The application of the patent isn't so simple and easy.
We will soon apply for Germany, American and other few national patent.
New patent application's passing to be is the effect and structure and have to be better and more simple than old patent
Patent's belonging to belong to the landlord righteousness system is the talent that needs a lot of fundses to reach.
English is not my fisrt language,if there has any confusion that cause to you, please let me know. :)

[askman]

you can't patent something that is already existing idea. you won't get it. stealing ideas from others and claiming it as original is bad enough. at least give credit where credit is due. I won't be buying this.

[taiwanyuyu]

CCPM Control System........

[Steph280]

Just about every heli on the market has some form of Bell/Hiller mixing system. So to say there is one heli that's truely 100% original will be impossible. I for one am all for improvements over original designs. But to falsely claim the originality of a design wouldn't be fair to the true creaters.

[taiwanyuyu]

Fluid Dynamics
Bernoulli’s law plays an important role in fluid dynamics. For simplicity, the higher the speed of a fluid, the smaller is the pressure; on the other hand, the lower the speed of a fluid, the larger is the pressure. When a main rotor of a helicopter is rotated, the airflow of the air above the tangential plane of a wing is faster than the airflow below, and thud a lift is generated. If the lift is greater than the total weight of the helicopter, then the helicopter will fly vertically upward; and if the lift is equal to the total weight of the helicopter, then helicopter will stay in the air; and if the lift is less than the total weight of the helicopter, then the helicopter will descend. The more streamlined the shape of the rotor blades, the less is the resistance, and the higher is the efficiency of the motive force.

[GGoodrum]

Well, thanks for the basic aero tutorial, but what the heck does that have to do with anything discussed here?

To me it looks like a blatant ripoff of the MFS design and a bunch of gobblygook marketing hype about a servo layout that is also nothing new. What a crock!

Also, this thread should be in the mini-heli forum, not here.

This is my last post in this thread. This guy is obviously posting this nonsense just to bump the thread to the top. We need to let this die.

-- Gary

[Tonystott]

Fluid Dynamics
Bernoulli’s law plays an important role in fluid dynamics. For simplicity, the higher the speed of a fluid, the smaller is the pressure; on the other hand, the lower the speed of a fluid, the larger is the pressure. When a main rotor of a helicopter is rotated, the airflow of the air above the tangential plane of a wing is faster than the airflow below, and thud a lift is generated. If the lift is greater than the total weight of the helicopter, then the helicopter will fly vertically upward; and if the lift is equal to the total weight of the helicopter, then helicopter will stay in the air; and if the lift is less than the total weight of the helicopter, then the helicopter will descend. The more streamlined the shape of the rotor blades, the less is the resistance, and the higher is the efficiency of the motive force.
and furthermore, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides
(no smiley here)

Oops sorry Gary, I didn't read the rest of your post before I unwittingly contributed to the bump. Consider this thread ignored!

[AnnihilaT]

I still think it looks like a pretty interesting design. Very true that much of it is borrowed from other helis but the helis its design appears to be borrowed from fly very well and its possible this thing could also fly extremely well. I'm always interested in new stuff :)

[cmulder]

why not just wait until the heli becomes avaiable and see how it flies ?

Personaly i only care about
-price
-flight performance
-ease of maintenace
-durabilety
-and last apearance

if above demands could be met using a model made out of styrofoam and cardboard i would buy and fly it ;)


I do agree that many of he new mini helies are lacking in the above list mainly becouse of lack of experience of the people who make them but what about the first german model helies? (who flew the mfa sport 500 succesfully? )
And even now i have a robbe eolo with tail drive problems and that shure isn't a cheapo micro

So again i am all for "wait and see"

[taiwanyuyu]

This is a patented screwless helicopter landing skid design for RC helicopters, aiming at the objectives of light weight, strong structure, and easy installation. The powerful structural strength of a carbon fiberboard and the intersecting tenons are used for making the landing skid. In addition to the support of the weight of the airframe, the carbon fiberboard structure also waives the use of traditional screw connection and the weight of screws. Further, rubber pads or foam pads can be installed in the tenons as needed to change the connecting feature of the carbon fiberboard landing skid with the helicopter body. In other words, the elasticity and tenacity of the rubber can minimize the component damage when the helicopter lands on the ground, if the rubber pads are installed at the tenons. If it is necessary to replace the foam pads at the tenons, the soft foam pads can naturally adjust the four contact points of the landing skid with the ground for achieving the effect of a shock absorber, regardless of an ascending or a descending helicopter. After the tenon is inserted into a cross tenon hole completely, the tenon will not fall off easily, but it can be replaced. Such arrangement fits any soft elastic materials, facilitates the installation, and provides a safe and durable application.

[taiwanyuyu]

Poseidon 480

[Bricobrac]

:confused:

Fabien