Any update on when the Manta will be avalible? [Archive]

Devin McGRath

Mar 31, 2006, 09:38 PM

Does anyone have any update to when the Manta will be avalible?

Also does anyone know if anyone going to ETOC is bringing one? Hopefully Marcus Rummer will bring one

Devin McGrath
www.devinrocks.com

rc7

Mar 31, 2006, 10:59 PM

I couldn't wait for it, so I made myself this excellent airplane (sorry/thanks Martin). As I heared, it will be soon available in Germany.

Trisquire

Apr 01, 2006, 04:34 PM

I wish the corresponding MicroRex 220-3-3200 motor would be imported as well.

Tom

Devin McGRath

Apr 01, 2006, 11:22 PM

Yea that motor looks pretty sweet. :D

Armin Mangelmann

Apr 03, 2006, 04:18 PM

Devin McGRath

Apr 04, 2006, 04:08 PM

Thanks for the information Armin.

Devin McGRath
www.devinrocks.com

byoung

May 22, 2006, 04:46 PM

Well, we are still working on the kits, mainly the design, the kits should be available in about 4-6 weeks, add another 4 weeks for availability in the us.
Well rc7, very creative

www.mamo-models.com
armin

Armin,
Are the Manta kits finished yet for purchase in Germany? I know that you said I'll have to wait 4 wks following their release in Germany before they will arrive here in the US.

Brad

Armin Mangelmann

May 25, 2006, 02:33 AM

Hi Brad,

We are still working on the design, it is a little hard getting it the way we really like it...the hardware is produced, so give us a little more time, as we want to offer a great kit...

thanks for your interest and we will keep you posted..

armin

pad

Jun 23, 2006, 05:29 AM

... preparing manta too :-) .... http://rcweb.cz/aktual/manta.htm

racerxky

Jun 23, 2006, 04:27 PM

pad, great pictures. I cant read your site though. On there is says 45g, is that the weight of the model? Also how thick is the depron on the Manta?

Petr Chyska

Jun 24, 2006, 06:06 PM

pad, great pictures. I cant read your site though. On there is says 45g, is that the weight of the model? Also how thick is the depron on the Manta?

PAD is my friend from the Czech rep. . The whole model is built of 3mm depron. I'm supposing that weight which is written there is the model without equipments.

pad

Jun 25, 2006, 09:55 AM

Hi, I don´t know where did you find number 45 ... but 48grams is plane with carbon 0,5x3mm on trailing edge without colors, RC equipment etc. ... only climapor (extrude polystyrene, 3mm 1g/dm2).
Plane prepared to fly has 145g (with battery LiPol 2x360mAh) ... it means weight of plane without battery is 120g.
But I use quite heavy engine - 26g because I want to use plane for aeromusical ... but this engine isn´t so heavy regarding to his power.

From other RC equipment - Rx Potensky Pico Smart FM ( http://www.potensky.cz/potensky-cesky-pico-smart.htm ) , servos 6g (trying pico servo GWS)

Yesterday I made first fly - at the living room :-) and evening in gym.

pad

Jun 25, 2006, 10:48 AM

I couldn't wait for it, so I made myself this excellent airplane (sorry/thanks Martin). As I heared, it will be soon available in Germany.

rc7, I have three things to say to you
1. smile thing - why do you have the same color scheme :-)
2. gear - it is shame you did not make gear like original, you use next two carbon wire, in original plane wheels are mounted to extended carbon wing spars
3. controling ailerons - you combined two methods of controling ailerons together .... you have aileron horn in middle of lenght of aileron but use only one roller in the fuse (?), ... how does it works? may be good, but I´m sure for aileron horn in the middle is better to use 4 rollers placed on leading edge of the wing, for one roller is better to have aileron horn closest to fuse.

What I´m talking about .... you need to conduct the rod from aileron horn (and from all controled surfaces) upright (or close to upright) to axis of turning ... but you conducet rod approximately in 45º angle

racerxky

Jun 25, 2006, 11:35 AM

Thank you both for the information, it is very helpful.

Mister UHU

Jun 25, 2006, 05:02 PM

What I´m talking about .... you need to conduct the rod from aileron horn (and from all controlled surfaces) upright (or close to upright) to axis of turning ... but you conduct rod approximately in 45º angle

Exactly !

Problem with many linkages, save weight, but have differential aileron motion.

pad

Jun 26, 2006, 07:01 AM

so guys, finished .... http://rcweb.cz/aktual/manta.htm .. my english is´n so good to write article in english but I think a lot of things you can see on photos

flyes very good, I did´n spent a lot of time with flying and setting of plane yet, so I thing it will be better :-)

What is impressive - torque roll controled only by right hand (power, ailerons) ... you don´t need rudder and elevator :-) ... and by changing power plane is runing up / down ... still in torque roll ..

racerxky

Jun 26, 2006, 10:27 AM

thanks for the pics. Finally we can see the underside of the aileron linkage. I was very wrong about how I thought that worked, its actually very simple. Also the pull-pull thread going through the control surface is a nice idea.

Looks very good! :D

Jerry Combs

Jun 26, 2006, 10:44 AM

Pad,

Beautiful workmanship! I am especially impressed with your motor mount. Thank you for the pictures showing how you did your pull-pull system, now I think I can build a model set up that way. Your English is fine, much better than my Czech. :D

Jerry

Armin Mangelmann

Jun 26, 2006, 10:51 AM

@ pad...

great to see that you are keeping the tradition of copying on top......i would suggest not to mention martin müllers name and picture on your site, and below offering an exact clone..

practice soccer instead..for the next world championships..

@Peter Chyska: Waht is your opinion on this , as he is a friend of yours? i was flying the manta in carvin last year, remember?

Please erase your posts, as this is off topic, this one is availability of manta, not copying it..
open up a new thread and keep this one clean...

Jerry Combs

Jun 26, 2006, 12:23 PM

Perhaps if kits were available clones would not be being built? Just a thought. And yes, I am aware of what is entailed in bringing a kit to market.

Petr Chyska

Jun 26, 2006, 12:29 PM

pad

Jun 26, 2006, 12:54 PM

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pad

Jun 26, 2006, 12:57 PM

Armin,
I don´t see any problem on my article, may by you feel it because you don´t speak (read) czech, everything is described so anybody (reading czech) will understand what is going on.
I´m quite busy to spent a lot of time finding wright way on designing planes for indoor category (aeromusical, F3P) so don´t be ungry to me I used full functional resolution - Manta plane.
I like to study photohraphy, details on "rival´s" plane, and then designing my own .. OK, in this case Manta is exact copy :-)

Say it to Martin, may be he will write me an unpleasant email, may be not and email will be wishing good fly :-)

Come to stop this talking "copy theme" and discuss about planes to enjoy of flying ...

And last sentence - everybody who asked me for a drawing got answer: sorry, Manta is MM plane and I will not distribute drawing to next people ...

racerxky

Jun 26, 2006, 03:55 PM

So its a copy, still a nice model.

I guess the pull-pull on the real thing is different. Is that some EPP foam in the nose for the motor mount?

Malves

Jun 26, 2006, 04:38 PM

sorry, Manta is MM plane and I will not distribute drawing to next people ...

I guess this says it all about our friend here.:)

@ pad...

great to see that you are keeping the tradition of copying on top......i would suggest not to mention martin müllers name and picture on your site, and below offering an exact clone..

practice soccer instead..for the next world championships..

@Peter Chyska: Waht is your opinion on this , as he is a friend of yours? i was flying the manta in carvin last year, remember?

Please erase your posts, as this is off topic, this one is availability of manta, not copying it..
open up a new thread and keep this one clean...

Man, why do you nag so much? Even if pad distributes his "garage" design, ppl will still buy the original Manta when (or if!) it comes out.

As if the guy's gonna produce that plane in large scale and steal the market from you guys. :rolleyes: Gimme a break! pftt

pad

Jun 26, 2006, 05:33 PM

So its a copy, still a nice model.

I guess the pull-pull on the real thing is different. Is that some EPP foam in the nose for the motor mount?

epp ..... yes it is, in my opinion at first - epp absorb vibration from engine and second - mounting is elastic so when you crash it is better for plane, no deformation of nose of plane

Bsouthwell

Jun 26, 2006, 05:41 PM

I guess this says it all about our friend here.:)

Man, why do you nag so much? Even if pad distributes his "garage" design, ppl will still buy the original Manta when (or if!) it comes out.

As if the guy's gonna produce that plane in large scale and steal the market from you guys. :rolleyes: Gimme a break! pftt

I bet Armin invented depron or a friend of his did! LOL :)
Who do we give credit to for the standard aircraft layout........Armins great uncle I am sure...........

Call Boeing to cease production! We must all convert to the canard layout ASAP!

Bill

racerxky

Jun 26, 2006, 05:42 PM

epp ..... yes it is, in my opinion at first - epp absorb vibration from engine and second - mounting is elastic so when you crash it is better for plane, no deformation of nose of plane

I believe you are correct. I tried it on my Breeze and it is working well. For mild crashes it saves the nose. Motor is very quiet too. :D

Happy flying

byoung

Jun 27, 2006, 01:53 PM

Armin,
Back to the subject at hand....for those of us waiting to buy the Manta kit, any completion in sight?

Brad

j_z_123

Jun 29, 2006, 12:58 AM

Here is my take on the Manta -

36" Wingspan
36" Length

CustomCDR (http://www.customcdr.com) Cool Wind
Castle Creations Thunder Bird 9
Berg 4
8x4 prop
Tanic 2s 350's and 3s 350's
3 Futaba 3110 servos

Pull-Pull on the ailerons. I tried a total of four pulleys, but it worked for crap. I ended up with one pulley in the fuse.

Pull-Pull on the rudder, and Push-Pull on the elevator.

I used one flat carbon spar set vertical in the middle of the wing. The leading edge of the top and bottom wing has the doubler sanded down to create an airfoil. It still needs it on the elevator.

I'm not sure at what angle the air brakes are supposed to be glued on at, but I think mine looks like a bit to much, though it doesn't seem to effect flight to much.

It flys very precise. It holds a line very well. Great point rolls, awesome harrier rollers, great rolling circles. It does great one roll rolling circles and any maneuver related to it. It hovers well too. Great harriers - inverted and upright. Loops are large or tight, and straight.

I really like the way it flys. I can't wait to get some more time on it:)

-Jon

pad

Jun 29, 2006, 02:41 AM

quite big plane (and very big wheels :-) ), write weight without battery ...

j_z_123

Jun 29, 2006, 02:58 AM

Weight without battery is:
6.1oz or 171g.

With a lighter motor, lighter servos, and lighter stuff like connectors, wheels, and carbon, it could be much a whole bunch lighter. However, for a 36" model, that's not to bad:)

What is the wingspan of your model?

-Jon

pad

Jun 29, 2006, 06:31 AM

wingspan 800mm, lenght (without engine and prop) 805mm ... will change in next plane, need move rudder more to back for bigger deflections (now is 40 degrees and looping in knife is quite problem - in gym of course)

171g without battery ... so with battery 2x350 aproximately plus next 20g but I think in this case 3xLiPol is much more better .. so plus 30g
... good with this size of plane (wingspan 910mm)

are you flying in the gym? Or outside?

j_z_123

Jun 30, 2006, 01:58 AM

I mostly fly outside, but do sometimes fly in the gym.

I got some more time on it today. I love the way it flys!

-Jon

Malves

Jun 30, 2006, 08:32 AM

Nice job, guys. But I bet someone must be knocking his head on the keyboard a few thousand miles away.;)

What are you guys using for pulley? I'm thinking on using that on my lil Yak.

Jon,

When I used those SFGs on a shocky 540 I had, I kinda tried to point them to the ends of the elevators. I've noticed an increase in performance for rolling maneuvers and the speed was slowed down a little, too.

j_z_123

Jun 30, 2006, 05:25 PM

Malves -

I'm using the rubber gromet that comes from a larger servo. It works really well, and is very light. I really like the aileron pull-pull setup so far.

-Jon

signflyer

Jul 01, 2006, 12:55 PM

Here's mine...
28" WS
cd rom motor
2s 380
magnet wire all over (my first attempt at fwilly's lightening tricks :)
5oz AUW

Only changes from pad's layout are EPP on the motor mount and a counter-balance on the rudder (still undecided on whether to leave it or not)
.
I got a couple quick flights this morining just before the wind picked up. Flies similar to my reflection bipe, even though it's a mono wing...nice and slow. The pull pull on ailerons gives HUGE deflections, so it rolls quick. For the 'pulley' I used a small piece of control rod tubing.

I could have saved more weight by using less glue :rolleyes: but it's about 3.7oz/ft sq as it is, not bad.

Thanks for the tips and inspiration--pad, fwilly, Jon, racerxky!

-Scott

@Jon--did your micro 3dx ever work out? I gave up after countless tweaks. could not get it to stop dropping out of turns.

fro540

Jul 01, 2006, 02:52 PM

jon & scott... wondering rough starting point with CG given the respective sizes? thanks
- jeff

signflyer

Jul 01, 2006, 04:28 PM

Jeff--a good line of reference would be the wing doublers...my CG is almost to the point where the doublers end on the wings. It's about 35-40% MAC.
-Scott

j_z_123

Jul 02, 2006, 11:31 PM

Looks good Scott!

Nope, never put any electrics in the micro 3dx..

-Jon

Daniel Z

Jul 13, 2006, 12:03 AM

what do you think of a bipe with angled struts?

3Don

Jul 18, 2006, 06:03 PM

Hi guys, nice to see one more great flying plane will be released to market. Design looks interesting same as some details. Can someone tell me what is advantage of pull pull aileron system? One is obvious less weight, also i suspect deflection to both sides stay always same, whats more? Also what point of that airfoiled front wing edge? Slower speed, better stability?

Also Armin could you share what engine and VPP system use MM on his plane? Also battery and RTF weight is very interesting. I'm looking for best indoor VPP system for new indoor season.

byoung

Aug 29, 2006, 01:00 PM

Armin,
Is there any update on the Manta kit availability?

Brad

Well, we are still working on the kits, mainly the design, the kits should be available in about 4-6 weeks, add another 4 weeks for availability in the us.
Well rc7, very creative

www.mamo-models.com
armin

bildo baggins

Sep 25, 2006, 09:13 PM

Bump on kit availability. This one or any other

Jurgen Heilig

Sep 27, 2006, 12:35 PM

I hope to see one of the first Manta kits in Leipzig this weekend - stay tuned. ;)

:) Jürgen

MrFlash

Sep 28, 2006, 04:25 AM

what do you think of a bipe with angled struts?
Wondered this myself. The Aito V2s seem to have the brakes at 90' to the thrust line , any advantage on angling them ??

I hope to see one of the first Manta kits in Leipzig this weekend - stay tuned. ;)

:) Jürgen
Is this going to be the weapon of choice for most of the Carvin contestants or are the new Donuts-Models (Mystic, Fusion, Elite-Pro) looking favourite ?. Any info or advance pictures on this years models Jurgen (or anyone) ??

3Don

Sep 28, 2006, 06:14 AM

Is this going to be the weapon of choice for most of the Carvin contestants or are the new Donuts-Models (Mystic, Fusion, Elite-Pro) looking favourite ?. Any info or advance pictures on this years models Jurgen (or anyone) ??

Yes i suspect this year most of pilots will fly Donut and MamoModel planes, these days kits are really competetive.

For AM im planing to use updated last year Futurion's with Manuel Nubel VPP system and for F3P im working on new plane Future.

This indoor season in Europe should be fun!

MrFlash

Sep 28, 2006, 07:46 AM

Daniel Z

Sep 29, 2006, 02:29 AM

I have made the angled struts thing, but I think I shoud have used a more agressive angle, anyway the plane is very stable in hover... look at my video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9J6XqNoZs

3Don

Sep 29, 2006, 04:08 AM

Cheers Donatas.

I Know its a little of topic but I dont suppose youve got any video of your VPP Futurion ? . I've seen your Fun In Da Gym series so I cant wait to see what you can make a VPP plane :D . Whats the weight of the latest Futurion ?

Thanks Again

Yes its really getting of topic, but i hope guys will tolerate this:)
No unfortunately i have no VPP videos with Futurion, i will start flying with it next week. Now im working on Flyinggiants.com video contest and making two videos for electric and glow class, now i can say this will be my best videos ever, electric will have some new tricks and crazzzy flying, don't forget to check them next week on www.flyinggiants.com

And about Manta, will they be available in Carvin? What price we can expect? I also interesting in this plane.

MrFlash

Sep 29, 2006, 06:23 AM

Cheers Dan & Donatas

diablo2006

Sep 30, 2006, 04:05 PM

What i dont understand is why Mamo-models dont have airplanes like the manta and the mamo-VPP Yak on their website, if they did then they would sell loads of them im sure. I kn ow i'd strongly think about buying one, especialy the yak

whopper

Oct 01, 2006, 10:32 PM

Well, I got sick of waiting for a Manta kit (not that we are likely to see any down here in Oz anyway..... :censored: ) so I used some published pics to draw my own. I think I got 'em spot on too! :D

I'm tempted to do a Sorta-Manta thread (like Stringfly's Sorta-Tensor thread) but I don't want to step on Martin's toes if the Manta Kits are going ahead (although its not like I'll be making any $$ here).

What are peoples' opinions on this? I really doubt some online plans will damage kit sales, most people who would scratch build from plans would probably have done the same as me and drawn their own eventually anyway. And I'll still BUY a kit if they emerge. I'm just impatient...... :p

Let me know what people think, enough interest might just get a Sorta-Manta thread happening.

Once again, Martin, I don't want to step on your toes, I just want a Manta!! :cool:

Matt.