Question for Jurgen re: streamers [Archive]

GWRIGHT

Mar 03, 2006, 10:38 AM

In some video's you've posted, streamers are deployed during flight, then released during flight. I can't imagine they would put another servo in the plane,k..considering how weight concious most of them are,.. so how do they control the streamer deployment and release?

Jurgen Heilig

Mar 03, 2006, 02:59 PM

Deployment and release of the streamers are indeed servo controlled.

:) Jürgen

GWRIGHT

Mar 03, 2006, 03:08 PM

wow,.. spend lots of time shaving servos, replacing wire, soldering to eliminate connectors,.. all to save a gram or so per servo,..then add an "extra" servo :)

fwilly

Mar 03, 2006, 03:13 PM

I'd probably try to find a way to make the servo detach itselft when the streamers were fully released :D

I bet the 3.6g servos that really suck for control surfaces could operate the streamers just fine, or maybe a tiny littly 1.7g falcon, which are now down to $35

Jurgen Heilig

Mar 03, 2006, 03:30 PM

wow,.. spend lots of time shaving servos, replacing wire, soldering to eliminate connectors,.. all to save a gram or so per servo,..then add an "extra" servo :)

Don't forget that:

a) the streamer option is only available on the AeroMusicals model,
b) there is such a thing like the model being too light (ask the pilots from NL ;))

:) Jürgen

Trisquire

Mar 03, 2006, 04:07 PM

.... there is such a thing like the model being too light (ask the pilots from NL ;))

:) Jürgen
I've heard that. Bert van der Vecht once switched to a heavier battery pack because his plane lacked momentum during certain maneuvers.

Tom

can773

Mar 03, 2006, 07:02 PM

wow,.. spend lots of time shaving servos, replacing wire, soldering to eliminate connectors,.. all to save a gram or so per servo,..then add an "extra" servo :)

Who said you need an extra servo to release :)

Malves

Mar 03, 2006, 07:05 PM

I'd probably try to find a way to make the servo detach itselft when the streamers were fully released :D

Maybe use another servo to detach the streamer servo? :p

Devin McGRath

Mar 03, 2006, 07:48 PM

I would like to do this on one of my planes and I have some really small servos laying around (the falcon servos reprogrammed) there called pin point servos they work better than the falcons... Jurgen it sounds like you don’t want to give this secret up :D Thats ok though we will just struggle and figure out a way to do it and then you will tell us and your way will be far superior an we will though ours out. lol ;)

Devin McGrath
www.devinrocks.com

GWRIGHT

Mar 03, 2006, 08:53 PM

I'm very familiar with a 3D plane being "too light". Most of the foamies won't do a proper snap or spin due to this. In the E3D arf, i prefer the 3S3P 6000mah packs whereas most people use the 4000's, because I can't get it to snap or spin at the lower weight. The 90" span XL's were the same way, and I ended up going to 7S4P from 6S2P that I was using at one time. Only problem with indoor stuff like this forum is discussing, is you need to be able to fly very slowly if you have old thumbs like me, or you bang into walls :)

matchlessaero

Mar 03, 2006, 09:05 PM

Gary, are you trying to get something ready for Memphis??? ;)

byoung

Mar 04, 2006, 12:26 AM

Gary,
I can only wish my thumbs were as good as yours. I run into the walls after doing simple loops and rolls. :rolleyes:

Brad

Jurgen Heilig

Mar 04, 2006, 02:28 AM

...
Jurgen it sounds like you don’t want to give this secret up :D Thats ok though we will just struggle and figure out a way to do it and then you will tell us and your way will be far superior an we will though ours out. lol ;)

Devin McGrath
www.devinrocks.com

Sorry, but I just don't have a picture to show the additional servo.

:) Jürgen

Armin Mangelmann

Mar 04, 2006, 02:35 AM

Come on guys, there are only two ways of doing this:

use a already installed servo
install a new one

That is all you have to do...if you are not into competitions, just add another servo, if you want it light...well, try to use a servos which is already installed...

Have fun trying..

Armin

Andycap

Mar 04, 2006, 09:37 AM

Dont forget too you could always use one of the falcon models servo's @ 1.6g in weight. www.falconmodels.co.uk

Andycap

Mar 04, 2006, 09:38 AM

My orginal E3D on a 10 cell sub c pack span and flicked much better than the lipo powered version just a Gary said

GWRIGHT

Mar 04, 2006, 11:18 AM

Azarr

Mar 04, 2006, 04:08 PM

The planes fly great, but don't expect much of a good program :(

Somehow I don't quite believe that :p

Memphis should be interesting since this year the top 10 finalists will all fly the same design.

Azarr
www.ecubedrc.com

Trisquire

Mar 04, 2006, 04:42 PM

Benoit Dierickx is competing in the 2006 ETOC. Maybe that means we'll see the ribbon trick on this side of the pond.

Jürgen, Do you know Marcus Rummer?

Regards,
Tom

Benoit Dierickx (Belgium)
Marcus Rummer (Germany)
Claes Meijer (Sweden)
Marco Benincasa (Italy)
Donatas Pauzuolis (Lithuania)

Jeff Pfeifer
Andrew Jesky
Matt Mahnke
Mark Leseberg
Jason Noll
George Hicks
John Glezellis
Sean McMurtry
Mike McConville
Jason Danhakl
Josh Glavin
Darren Eaton
Scott Foster
David Payne
Frank Noll
Quique Somenzini
Jason Shulman
Chip Hyde
Chris Maier
Chase Wolk

matchlessaero

Mar 04, 2006, 07:58 PM

Memphis should be interesting since this year the top 10 finalists will all fly the same design.

Azarr, it looks like the top 10 finalists will not be doing that after all..... (was announced today)

Gary, I look forward to meeting you and seeing you fly.....

Jurgen Heilig

Mar 05, 2006, 02:40 AM

...
Jürgen, Do you know Marcus Rummer?

Regards,
Tom
...

Not as well as Martin Müller, Stephanie Schwan, Armin Mangelmann, Benoit Dierickx etc., but yes, I have seen him flying quite a few times:

http://www.rcgroups.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21937&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

He is more into outdoor flying. ;)

:) Jürgen

GWRIGHT

Mar 05, 2006, 05:50 AM

the amazing thing about Marcus Rummer is you can hand him a tranny on mode 1 and he flies the snot out of it, then hand him one on mode 2 and you can't tell the difference in his flying ability.

Azarr

Mar 05, 2006, 07:13 AM

Azarr, it looks like the top 10 finalists will not be doing that after all..... (was announced today)

Gary, I look forward to meeting you and seeing you fly.....

Hi Jeremy,

That's too bad, the idea of hiding the contestants from the judges sort of falls apart when you can see the plane and hear the music, some are easily identified.

Azarr
www.ecubedrc.com

Jurgen Heilig

Mar 05, 2006, 08:43 AM

the amazing thing about Marcus Rummer is you can hand him a tranny on mode 1 and he flies the snot out of it, then hand him one on mode 2 and you can't tell the difference in his flying ability.

You can also give him Mode 3 or Mode 4. ;)

:) Jürgen

Jeff Pfeifer

Mar 05, 2006, 11:15 AM

The planes that were going to be used for the finals at Memphis, were going to be already built, and have radio gear, motor, esc, and ect... already installed, and we just set the plane up on our Tx. Well the vast majority of the pilots, including myself have signed contracts with certain companies to only use certain products in competition, and flying an aircraft in the finals at Memphis that uses other gear than what we are supposed to use, can cause some sticky situations with our sponsors. I voted to still use all the same plane, but give us an empty airframe Friday night after they make the cut, then have the finals on Saturday. So we install our own gear in them Friday night, so we don't make anyone unhappy, and then just have a minimum weight that we had to meet of say 7.5 oz, and if you are underweight just add weight to the plane untill you meet the minimum weight requirement, and if you come in weighing alot more than the minimum, well thats your own dang fault! lol :D

fwilly

Mar 05, 2006, 12:32 PM

What kind of planes were they going to be? 7.5oz sounds heavy to me :D

Devin McGRath

Mar 05, 2006, 01:15 PM

That to bad that they will not be having the top ten fly the same planes. It would have made things interesting. I just hope I make it in trying out !

Devin McGrath
www.devinrocks.com

Jeff Pfeifer

Mar 05, 2006, 01:50 PM

No one said exactly what the planes were, but we were given the specs, and the specs all match up exactly to the Benoit Paysant LeRoux full fuse Edge 540t from Hobby-Lobby.

Jeff Pfeifer

Mar 05, 2006, 01:52 PM

Devin, You shouldn't have a problem getting in, I do know that one of the people going through the open qualifier is Andrew "The Animal" Jesky.

aglenn

Mar 05, 2006, 02:03 PM

To send the word out they hve decided to let you fly your own airplanes in the finals for memphis. So i repeat you can fly your own airplane in the finals at Memphis.

Devin McGRath

Mar 05, 2006, 03:45 PM

Yea I heard that Andrew will be trying out. thats one spot gone :D

kevgoflyrc

Mar 06, 2006, 02:27 PM

Yes, I have three Syphers flying. One I threw together plain white depron to fly while I painted the other two to make them look good for the competition. I figure if I'm going to embarass myself and come in last in a contest, I can at least be flying nice-looking models :)

Unfortunately, where I live, a "calm day" is one that's only 10 to 15 knot winds, so it makes it very difficult to choreograph an indoor routine (I live right on the coast of florida). I went out a few nights this week (only time it's somewhat calm) at 4 and 5 am to fly in a lighted parking lot. The planes fly great, but don't expect much of a good program :(

HOLY CRAP! What did you do with Gary Wright? Why are you using his log in! The Gary Wright I know could smoke most guys out there and certainly doesn't need any panzy steamers hanging off his plane like a 6 year old school girls bicycle! :) Glad to see your competing Gary. Hope your doing well. Good luck with the streamers (cough cough). Are you going to Toledo?

Kevin Miller

GWRIGHT

Mar 06, 2006, 03:44 PM

dunno,..haven't been to toledo in like 5 or 6 years.
Also, remember I'm getting old,.. I've got at least a decade on the rest of the crowd that will be at memphis,.. so I'll represent the "old farts coalition" :) . Not planning on using streamers,..just was very curious how they would deploy/release during flight, with all the emphasis on weight reduction, hence the thread.

kevgoflyrc

Mar 06, 2006, 04:56 PM

Your still the man.
Kev

MrFlash

Mar 09, 2006, 03:12 PM

Back on the question of using an extra servo just for the streamer release, Benoit Dierickx's F3P Free Style uses 6 (SIX) servos on his Fusion :eek:

6x BMS 306 (6g) servos ( 2x ailerons, 1 elevator, 1 rudder, 1 thrust vectoring) + 1x 4gr servo for streamers), !!!

http://www.modelmotors.cz/index.php?id=en&nc=produkty_popis&obsah=ruzne2

Trisquire

Mar 09, 2006, 03:36 PM

Wow. You hit the jackpot. Do you understand the thrust vectoring? The motor can swivel left or right? It might help you hold knife edge if you coordinate it with the rudder control. Maybe the two channels are mixed.

Regards,
Tom

Erik Johansson

Mar 09, 2006, 03:42 PM

Sounds kinda strange having people fly the same plane. I understand the basic thought, but in my mind flying any kind of advanced schedules is as much about knowing your plane in every way possible as it is about pure flying skills. If the given plane does not fly anything at all like a certain competitor´s own plane (maybe even own design), he will have a serious disadvantage, even though he could have performed exceptionally well with his own airframe.

It´s not unlikely IMO (especially considering how closely matched some of these pilots are going to be) that the one who´s own plane is most similar to the given plane for the finals, are going to win. Just imagine someone like Benoit who is used to flying his aeromusicals with that crazy 6 servo plane (Fusion). I hope he´ll manage to nail it anyway (love his AM schedule), but I believe it might be harder than it "should" have been...

Having the right plane built the right way is (and should be IMO) a big part in being successful.

Just my 2 cents...

/Erik

MrFlash

Mar 09, 2006, 04:20 PM

Wow. You hit the jackpot. Do you understand the thrust vectoring? The motor can swivel left or right? ....

Regards,
Tom

thers a nice video kicking arounds somewhere showing TV in action, might not be Benoits aero but its a very similar setup. Not shure if its posted here on RCG or on a Euro site somewhere. (piccy also attatched > not mine but saved in my goodies directory !!)

Shure Jurgen will know

any ideas J ??

Jurgen Heilig

Mar 10, 2006, 12:57 AM

thers a nice video kicking arounds somewhere showing TV in action, might not be Benoits aero but its a very similar setup. Not shure if its posted here on RCG or on a Euro site somewhere. (piccy also attatched > not mine but saved in my goodies directory !!)

Shure Jurgen will know

any ideas J ??

That's Benoit Dierickx's "old setup". He now uses only side thrust vectoring:

http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/JurgenHeilig/F3P-AM_Benoit.wmv

:) Jürgen

MrFlash

Mar 10, 2006, 02:50 AM

That's Benoit Dierickx's "old setup". He now uses only side thrust vectoring:

http://airtoimedia.nl/web/upload/JurgenHeilig/F3P-AM_Benoit.wmv

:) Jürgen

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Thanks Jurgen,

I knew I could rely on you ;)

Much appreciated once again