Military MAV? UAV?

[Spete2000]

Hello All,

It seems like I have found the right place to help locate or buy a model, or plans, or?

This will be a little tough because I saw the plane in several movies, at least one with Arnold Swartzenagger? in it. The plane was in a hallway hovering and menacing the star(s). It was also in 2 or 3 other movies, (sigh) unfortunately I can not remember anything about them either. It had 4 electric motors (ducted fans), 2 on each end of the plane enabling it to hover, go back, forth, etc. It was highly manuverable, or so it was portrayed, and yet could develop high speeds as well. As soon as I saw it, it looked like a plane that everyone should have a copy of.

But wait. That's not all.

There was also another small plane, used in 2 films I think, that had a regular wing, or jet wing, jet engines, and I think it was supposed to be a MAV for the Armed Forces. In one of the films it was mounted to a pedastal in front of the arms manufacturer that produced it. It was accidentally started on the pedastal and then remotely controlled in a high speed series of wild flying. The plane also had a rounded upward dihedral in the wing. Plausible, but I wonder how hard it would be to make. Out of what?

I don't remember the names of the movies except that the one with Arnold in it was one of the Terminator flicks. I think. The other was sci-fi also.

If I can help with anything else, please let me know.

Thanks to All in advance,

Steve

[Iraqigeek]

I dont know about the other movies, but I think you are referring to the Harrier in the Arnold movie. I have read somewhere of a guy who reproduced a model of the RR Pegasus engine for the purpose of building an RC model of th Harrier, but never seen a kit that was commercially available, I guess it would be too hard to manufacture/build, and if sold, it would be very expensive due to the dasign of the RR Pegasus.

[kd7ost]

Doesn't sound familiar. Movie wise I mean. The vehicle with 4 ducted fans congured up this in my brain. And the second one too but it's old.

Dan

[kd7ost]

Hmmm,

Actually, niether will fit in a hallway. They could be (and the one flying in a hallway menacing) could have been computer generated or at the very least was likely a model on a stick.

Dan

[gjestico]

I think that was the last movie T3 rise of the machines. Had sumpin like that sort of like an osprey but with jets instead of props. Try ebay ?

[Spete2000]

Thanks All for the assistance. Those were not the two planes that we were looking for. Moller is still building his Skycar. It must be 50 years old by now.

The Moller Skycar was not a vehicle, and neither was the other one. Sorry, but there still remains the two planes yet. The smaller one (on the pedastal) was a fixed jet engine, or 2 engines in a somewhat "normal" plan form out side of small size and the upward radiused wings

That was some good help in a very short time. Thanks again, keep up the good work, and I, too, shall continue.

Respects,

Steve

[Spete2000]

Hi Dan and all,

Again thanks. The Moeller (excuse previous mispellings) had many engine formats, the last one that I heard of was eight (count them 8) Wankel engines driving the 4 ducted fans. Yes, they were for safety as there is no flying surfaces (lift producing). All of the lift produced was by the articulated ducted fans, which, by the way, is how the movie craft (Harrier) levitates. What the layout is now, if anything, is unknown to me, but it wouldn't suprise me if it was 1 to 4 gas turbines driving ducted fans to individual jet engines. Still the same reliability liabilities, but, it is newer technology.

The other machine as I recall started out to be another ducted fan airplane that actually did have a sort of lifting body. It was quite a while ago. I think that as time went by, it grew to be a vehicle that operated in ground affect, and then as a hovercraft. I don't know if the plans are still available for the full size machine, but the plans used to be for sale in the Homebuilt Aircraft catalog magazines.

Right again on the Harrier airplane, originally from the U.K., I think. That plane can also take off and land vertically, however it relys on the wings for support during actual flight, and yes again, I do recall the Harrier movie with his daughter in the new construction building with the bad guy. No, it was not the Harrier as we know of in the movie. If you have ever been within a quarter mile of one of those things on takeoff without hearing protection, it starts off loud, then much louder, then almost painful till you cover your ears for your own protection. Conversation - Impossible.

I have a couple of other thoughts that may help us find more information so will get back later.

Thanks again everyone,

Respects,

Steve

[Unterhausen]

I was visiting the McDonald-Douglas plant in Saint Louis one time, and as I was leaving for the day walking to my car, I noticed a Harrier (AV8) hovering in mid-air. Pretty cool airplane. If someone tried to fly it in real life the way Arnold does in the movie, the plane would be on the ground.

[Spete2000]

Hi Unterhausen and All,

It is indeed a cool plane. You're right. Arnold ain't that good. Fortunately Arnold's was tethered to a crane so that it could be shot as a green or blue screen and added later to the movie many stories up on the building.

It's neat, I would love to have an electric model, or possibly a jet model. A full size plane? The real thing? No way! I couldn't pay for the keyhole to put the key in. If it even has a key. A very expensive tool for which I have no requirements.
Thanks for the feedback. Keep up the good work and responses.

Respects,

Steve

[Unterhausen]

I couldn't pay for the keyhole to put the key in.
The cool thing about the fighter I'm familiar with is that if you can get in the seat, you can start it. That's why you'll end up face down on the tarmac with a automatic weapon pressed into the back of your head if you go past the ropes on the flightline without a badge.

There was a Belgian mechanic that stole an F-16 back in the early '90s. Didn't end up well. He was probably checked out to taxi the plane though.

[Spete2000]

Hi All,

Steve P. here,

Ask, and Ye shall recieve. On the 2nd plane type, probably seen in a movie, a striking resemblance of a UAV taking off from a pedastal in front of a Mfg. Bldg. was noticed in a movie called "Deal of the Century" starring Chevy Chase and Sigourney Weaver made in 1983. Imagine that! Right. Shown today, Tuesday, February 07, 2006 @ 3:30 PM on HBOC 505 on Charter Communication.

The prototype MAV did take off from the pedastal at an unbelievable rate of speed. I'm sure unbelievable is the word too. And then there was the intricate manuvering. That would be hard to do unless it was really small. Maybe on the end of a pencil on a green or blue screen. The stupid movie is so old, it could have been a black board. But, it did take off fast.

It did have an overhead shoulder wing which was interesting, but, not even beautiful. It had a lot of ordinance under wing. It did not have an upcurved dihedral. Maybe that is it's only saving grace. Maybe this really isn't the plane I was thinking about. (Besides, I haven't seen too many SCi Fi movies with Chevy Chase in them. If ever.)

If, anyone is interested, it is being shown on TV in the near future on HBO again. The following are the times:

2-16

[Spete2000]

Hi All,

Steve P. here,

Ask, and Ye shall recieve. On the 2nd plane type, probably seen in a movie, a striking resemblance of a UAV taking off from a pedastal in front of a Mfg. Bldg. was noticed in a movie called "Deal of the Century" starring Chevy Chase and Sigourney Weaver made in 1983. Imagine that! Right. Shown today, Tuesday, February 07, 2006 @ 3:30 PM on HBOC 505 on Charter Communication.

The prototype MAV did take off from the pedastal at an unbelievable rate of speed. I'm sure unbelievable is the word too. And then there was the intricate manuvering. That would be hard to do unless it was really small. Maybe on the end of a pencil on a green or blue screen. The stupid movie is so old, it could have been a black board. But, it did take off fast.

It did have an overhead shoulder wing which was interesting, but, not even beautiful. It had a lot of ordinance under wing. It did not have an upcurved dihedral. Maybe that is it's only saving grace. Maybe this really isn't the plane I was thinking about. (Besides, I haven't seen too many SCi Fi movies with Chevy Chase in them. If ever.)

If, anyone is interested, it is being shown on TV in the near future on HBO again. The following are the times:

2-16 10:15 pm HBOF 503
2-19 1:35 pm HBOC 505
2-20 1:40 am HBOC 505
2-21 4:05 am HBOF 503

To the many good people out there that tried to find that 2nd plane, I think it is found. I'm so embarrassed. I would still like to find the Hover Attack Craft in the other movie though.

Thanks again and Respects to All

Steve

[Valaron]

spete2000.. the UAV from the arnold movie you mentioned (Terminator 3: Rise of the machines), is actually an Arial Hunter Killer Drone.. link to image of A-HTK (http://www.terminator3.com/content/desktop_downloads/desktop_sm/t3_desktop_b01_800.jpg).
the ones in T3 are actually a modified versions of the ones in Terminator movies 1 and 2. The reason they look so different in T3 is presumed to be because of the fact Skynet (the computer system that launched the war against the humans) was created much later then it should have been because of the events in Terminator 2, and therfor more advanced technology was available to skynet by the time it came around.
In reality however, the director in charge of making Terminator 3: ROTM, decided he didnt like the old style of the HTK's, and had the design team draw up whole new specs for them, a decision that may very well ahve killed off the terminator franchise. :(

Edit:
Forgot to mention.. All the models designed for use in T3 were copywrighted by the movie creators and are exclusive to them. To my knowledge they never released any kind of Remote control versions of the Ariel HTK's, so if there are any out there, they would have been built by fans of the movies.

[Spete2000]

Hi Valaron,

Thank you for the reply. You are right about them not releasing any remote control vehicles. Or, at least I have never seen any. The picture you showed is correct of one of the larger machines, but is still not the smaller machine that was in the hallway.

Perhaps I have it wrong, but I still think it was in one of the Terminator movies. Thank you for taking the time to research the films and to send the info that you have. I have been fortunate to have so many responses, and I'm sure that we will find it eventually.

Thanks Again,

Respects,

Steve

[Valaron]

almost all the info on both the smaller drones and the larger ones can be found on the terminator 3 website (www.terminator2.com). While the larger one in the pic I posted isnt Exactly like the smaller versions, they both have the same basic design properties. Two ducted fans, one on each "wing" and a third towards the rear. the smaller versions have a set of rocket launchers set under the wing, while the larger ones have the rocket launchers as well as a set of three laser cannons (one on each "wing" and a third set just behind the rear turbine).
I'm pretty much an expert on all things from the terminator movies, if you have any other questions just ask. :)

[chrisgood]

Are you thinking of the dual ducted fan from Trek Aero?

http://www.trekaero.com

Chris

[Valaron]

dont... think so.. that doesnt look anything like the ones in the terminator movies.. :confused:

[clolson]

Are you thinking of the dual ducted fan from Trek Aero?
http://www.trekaero.com
Chris

I saw a demo of this unit last october. It used a xbow micronav for stability augmentations. Turned it from unflyable to able to fly similar to a helicopter. Very neat unit.

Curt.