GWS would like to know your comments

[GWS CHEN]

Hi freiends,

GWS would like to know your comments about GWS products, I would like to discuss with you all, to know
your new idea, thanks.

Chen

[Bluefuzzyone]

Who or what is GWS?

[RAY GWS]

www.gws.com.tw

Ray

[P-38J-Lightning]

wow. someone who doesnt know about GWS. That is a first for me! lol and i only own ONE product of yours. its a naro BB servo, bought it from a friend. Hardly used it so far but i love it. its much smoother than my HS-55's but not quite as good. i think that a reason HS-55 may get on many of the ships is becuase of their color. From a design standpoint they DO look better and you should think about making various coloring GWS. many people including my would love say..... a CAP flatout foamy with a sweet translucent orange servos instead of just blah black. why make it either quality or looks? why not do what hitec does and cross the line :D moderation!!!!!
my .02CAN
Joel :D

[biggy boy]

Hi freiends,

GWS would like to know your comments about GWS products, I would like to discuss with you all, to know
your new idea, thanks.

Chen

I love my Slow Stick :D
It is super tuff and flys great. This is my third SS over a four year period.
My Son has A SS also.

Your Naro 6 channel receivers are crap, I have one and it is constantly
doing wacky things.
When I use my rudder the motor cuts out. Fly to close to a radio tower and my plane freaks out, it went down and landed in a tree. :mad:
My other brand of receivers don't do this.
I't probably because the naro is a single Fm conversion receiver.
I have downed two planes because of this receiver, it's in the garbage now.

Glen

[biggy boy]

Oh Ya I also use a wack load of your RS props, good and inexpensive ;)
Plus I use a lot of the 300/350 size gearboxes for my brushless motors.

Glen

[GWS CHEN]

wow. someone who doesnt know about GWS. That is a first for me! lol and i only own ONE product of yours. its a naro BB servo, bought it from a friend. Hardly used it so far but i love it. its much smoother than my HS-55's but not quite as good. i think that a reason HS-55 may get on many of the ships is becuase of their color. From a design standpoint they DO look better and you should think about making various coloring GWS. many people including my would love say..... a CAP flatout foamy with a sweet translucent orange servos instead of just blah black. why make it either quality or looks? why not do what hitec does and cross the line :D moderation!!!!!
my .02CAN
Joel :D

Hi Joel

I would keep my Boss informed of translucent servos which
are preferred by some end users like you. We have blue and pink transmitters in lines however they are not so
welcome as the black one, some people would like black prop. and transmitters more.

[GWS CHEN]

I love my Slow Stick :D
It is super tuff and flys great. This is my third SS over a four year period.
My Son has A SS also.

Your Naro 6 channel receivers are crap, I have one and it is constantly
doing wacky things.
When I use my rudder the motor cuts out. Fly to close to a radio tower and my plane freaks out, it went down and landed in a tree. :mad:
My other brand of receivers don't do this.
I't probably because the naro is a single Fm conversion receiver.
I have downed two planes because of this receiver, it's in the garbage now.

Glen

Hi Glen

Slow Stick is one of GWS' hot products, naro servos and
naro receivers too. It would be better to keep your airplane
far away from radio tower and high vlotage cables since
their strong electrical magnetic waves would cause interferences for tiny receivers easily, oh yes, I agree that
single FM conversion would probably be the reason.

I had experience with that interference problem when I flew my glow engine airplane with JR 6CH Rx installed (it was a big one) ten years ago and went closer to a plastic mould factory, it crashed when approaching to land, it was because of interferences coming from that factory's moulding machines, there were strong electrical magnetic waves above that factory when they operated that machine for moulding plactics.

I've been informed by our R&D dept. that GWS RD-8 series comes with dual conversion would have much better
performance in the air, they could be used with both electrical airplane and glow engine one.

However it would be much better to fly far away from radio towers or high voltage cables/towers no matter what receiver you installed on your airplane.

[Markz]

I second that translucent colors looks cool, but only for servos (Don't ask me why) Blue, yellow, green, orange, red are ok, but pink??? not sure
I own a Formosa and a Slow Stick. I love them both. I'm still waiting on the Formosa 2...
Concerning single conversion receivers, I've modified one of mine by replacing the decoder chip with a PIC to act as a DSP. It's not an easy upgrade to do, but it really improves the interference rejection. A receiver as small (and cheap!) as the 4RP with DSP would definately be a winner IMHO

Marc

[biggy boy]

I second that translucent colors looks cool, but only for servos (Don't ask me why) Blue, yellow, green, orange, red are ok, but pink??? not sure
I own a Formosa and a Slow Stick. I love them both. I'm still waiting on the Formosa 2...
Concerning single conversion receivers, I've modified one of mine by replacing the decoder chip with a PIC to act as a DSP. It's not an easy upgrade to do, but it really improves the interference rejection. A receiver as small (and cheap!) as the 4RP with DSP would definately be a winner IMHO

Marc

Dual conversion is the way to go in todays electronic age. It does not make sense to make and sell single conversion any more.
The 6 channel naro does not need to be near power lines or a tower to act up. My 4 channel naro works fine even near the tower.

Glen

[fhhuber506771]

I have been dissapointed in GWS battery packs. I have yet to get a pack with GWS on the label that cycle tested to meet the labeled capacity.

I like the Pico Tiger moth I purchased about 3 years ago... it still flys. I had to go to a Castle Creations ESC and 620 mah 2s LiPo to get what I consider acceptable performance. I purchased the GWS package of RX, servos, ESC and battery pack for it and could never get the thing to climb above the height of the hand launch.

I have had good results with the GWS 4P recievers. The one I purchased 3 years ago for the Tiger moth is still working fine. I have a second which has been in use for about 2 years.

***************

I have heard that GWS is starting distribution of a small $15 brushless motor, and have heard good reports about it so far. Obviously its too soon for an evaluation of life expectancy of the motor.

I would like to see a larger selection of economical brushless motors and speed controls. I see brushless power as the future of RC.

[RAY GWS]

thank you for your info.

Will pass to our staffs.

We do will have larger selection of economical brushless motors.

Our CEO has one more model in mind -- the real economical brushless motors!!!

[biggy boy]

thank you for your info.

Will pass to our staffs.

We do will have larger selection of economical brushless motors.

Our CEO has one more model in mind -- the real economical brushless motors!!!

Thanks Ray and Chen
It is nice to see a manufacture ask questions and
looking for ways to improve their products and help their customers. :)
I'm also glad that you are looking outside of the US for input.
Inexpensive brushless is a great way for people on a buget to get into brushless flight. I went brushless this year and will never think of buying a brushed motor again. When I buy a plane kit with a brushed motor the first thing I do is take the motor out of the gearbox and put in a brushless motor.
I now have a drawer of brushed 300, 350 and 380 motors.

Glen


Glen

[markusj]

I too have had trouble with two GWS 6-channel Naros, and I won't ever use them again. I don't mind paying a little more for Berg or Hitec micro receivers if it means they are trouble-free.

I really like your servos however. I think GWS has done a great job making quality servos available for a low price. I've never had problems with them (unlike Hitec and Bluebird servos) so I'll stick with GWS servos for now :). Different colours for servos means nothing to me, but they would probably be fairly popular.

Inexpensive brushless motors would be very welcome. I'm not sure if it's possible from a business standpoint, but if GWS put out some brushless motors in the $30-$50 range, I'd definitely be interested.

I own a Slow Stick and it's pretty good, the only changes I'd make is strengthening the landing gear a little bit and where the tail attaches to the fuselage boom. I don't have much interest in your other planes so I won't comment on them.

Cheers.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Cheers

Thank you for your supports and kind words, GWS will release more bigger B/L soon, 2208, 2212, 30xx and ESC25A, ESC35A and ESC45A, Hope you all enjoy them.

Moreover I would like to know your trouble with Naro R6N. Hope
we have ways to ease your mind.

[fhhuber506771]

My personal wish list for the inexpensive brushless:

a 370-400 can motor replacement that direct bolts into "micro" helis such as the Blade and Honebee CP2.

Equivilents to a .25 and .40 glow motors with that listed as what they are on the packages. (maybe with beam mount adapters so they are direct fit replacements for glow engines... if that's possible)... If sold as a package deal with appropriate ESC and battery, I'd buy today. (don't forget to lst the appropriate prop sizes for the package... like they used to list the prop ranges in glow engine instructions)

The biggest problem the people that are used to using glow power have when moving to electric is figuring out which motor will work. Get rid of the gueswork and you'll sell more.

[bororin]

Hi freiends,

GWS would like to know your comments about GWS products, I would like to discuss with you all, to know
your new idea, thanks.

Chen

Hey Chen.

VEry happy with GWS products overall... Slow Stick is like a work horse... you can crash it and crash it and still holds... I like the idea of less expensive brushless motors... and I would like to see a wing for the slow stick with ailerons and more flat... I dont know if it sounds crazy but I would try to build one with fanfold foam.

AHHHH I almost forgot I would love to see gearboxes for the 350-400 series with metal parts instead of plastic... that could withstand more crashes...

Overall very happy with GWS.... As the other guys said it is pretty impressive to see a manufacturing company doing research with customers directly... Hats off to you guys!!

Bororin.

[fhhuber506771]

There's always going to be a weak link... If you go to metal gear(s) which will withstand crash impacts, then something else will become the weak link, and its likely to be a more expensive part that breaks. I have no problem with a gear that breaks in a crash if it holds up well in its designed service.

The solution becomes... don't crash. ;)

[Michael in Toronto]

Very pleased with GWS products.

My son and I have used and flown:

Formosa (Hacker geared brushless), capable of straight up flight.
Slow Stick (Astro geared brushless) fantastic long flights.
GWS A-10 (stock), so-so...
Pico Tiger Moth - fantastic!
Tiger Moth 400 (Hacker geared brushless) - Fantastic flyer
Cargo-quad - great flyer - see photo below.

Several guys in our club fly Formosas, Beavers and Slowsticks.
The planes are good value.

[biggy boy]

Very pleased with GWS products.

My son and I have used and flown:

Formosa (Hacker geared brushless), capable of straight up flight.
Slow Stick (Astro geared brushless) fantastic long flights.
GWS A-10 (stock), so-so...
Pico Tiger Moth - fantastic!
Tiger Moth 400 (Hacker geared brushless) - Fantastic flyer
Cargo-quad - great flyer - see photo below.

Several guys in our club fly Formosas, Beavers and Slowsticks.
The planes are good value.
Nice picture it looks like a full size real plane:)
I'll have to check into one of those

Glen

[rkhoo]

I have flown:

E-starter, Stock everything: 350C stock with GWS flight pack, 8cell NiMH, servos and R6N. It flys great in stock form. I am very happy with it.

Slow-Stick. Stock 350D and Kan1050. Flies great.

I am delighted to see some GWS US$15 BL motor (~90W) and their US$25 BL ESC (15A). Greaat value is all we can hope gor. Keep it comming GWS.

My R6N has glitched on me 1 out of 4 times I fly. That is the only complaint I have.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Rkhoo, Bororin, Michael and Friends:

Thank you very much for all your supports and kind words.

I've been informed that more powerful B/L motors will be released in March, they will be 2208, 2212 and probably 33xx, all of them would be sold in cheaper prices. Speed
controllers (ESCs) with more Amp will be released in March, too, they will be ESC25A,
ESC35A and probably ESC45A, same they would be sold in cheaper prices.

I would believe that B/L motor 33XX series would be as powerful as .25 engine, even
more, however they are currently being tested.

Hi Bororin,

I would like to recommend you to modify Slow Stick by yourself for this time being if you would prefer having aileron control on it. I'd like to state my personal rough ways as below for your references:

You would need to stick a piece of 2mm(2/32") foam sheet with same size as wing at the bottom of Wing of Slow Stick ( need to stick 3 - 4 pieces of ribs on each wing bottom first), then cut off the shown Ailerons, you would still need to stick 1 horn and 2 tape hinges on each aileron/wing then stick 1 Naro servo on each wing, then use piano wires to connect them respectively. Apply GWS Y cable to connect these two
Naro servos together. You'd need to cut the ribs from 3mm(1/8") foam sheet or 2mm(2/32") balsa sheet, If you have trouble with buying foam sheet, tissue paper could be used instead. Hope these words could be helpful.


Hi Rkhoo

Would you keep your R6N with 1"(25.4mm) away from motor/ESC and extend its antenna with full length, then to see how it work.

Chen

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Bororin

I'm worring about my words for not stating completely, wing ribs would need to be cut from 2mm balsa sheet or 3mm foam sheet, however the flat bottom of wing to be formed by either 2mm foam sheet or tissue paper.

[P-38J-Lightning]

what about manufacturing a CP Heli? maybe you could get it out be christmas:D or possibly a mod kit to make your GWS Dragonfly CP?

[Cass]

Hi.

Just wanted to say 'thanks' to GWS for making it possible for me to enjoy this hobby.
I purchased a Pico Moth, and the recommended electrics in 2002 and used them on a series of home built foamies untill i learned to fly. I then built my pico moth and have never looked back. It is the only plane i own that always has radio gear in it and is ready for a quick trip to the park! I now run a Feigao 4100 in it on 'A' gears. Great plane, stock or brushless.

I own 5 recievers pico and Naro, had a problem with one, but it wasnt the reciever it was the radio :) . I fly near power lines, and yes they can cause glitching.

I own about 10 servos pico and naro, all work well untill used in applications that require to much torque, that is my fault not GWS'.

I have or had

3 Mustangs including 1 NIB
1 Corsair
1 estarter on GWS floats
1 Dragonfly (i love this thing on brushless motors)
tons of props :)

You have done wonders for making it affordable for people to get into the hobby. Thankyou.

Dan

[kdk]

GWS CHEN, I also would like to thank you and your company for making nice and inexpensive models for us to build and fly. I've had many over the years but I'm still waiting for some more jets. :)

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Friends,

Thank you for all of your kind supports and words, GWS is working more on new airplanes, such as P-40, GWS-38, all warbirds in bigger size and more jets.

[biggy boy]

Hi Friends,

Thank you for all of your kind supports and words, GWS is working more on new airplanes, such as P-40, GWS-38, all warbirds in bigger size and more jets.

Jets and war birds at affordable prices would be great.
I have been thinking of getting into flying jets.
Will they be fan ducted of pusher propeller style?

Thanks
Glen

[Michael in Toronto]

Hi Friends,

Thank you for all of your kind supports and words, GWS is working more on new airplanes, such as P-40, GWS-38, all warbirds in bigger size and more jets.

Mr Chen

If you are looking for a Canadian to do a review (build + fly) a new product, I'd be happy to help. I'm on the executive of 2 large Electric RC clubs, and can expose your products to pilots directly.

[fhhuber506771]

Since GWS has a pretty good selection of DF units.... (which are improved greatly by putting brushless motors in... hint, hint ;) ) I'd hope he means to do DF models.

[bororin]

Hey CHEN!!

Thanks for the tips... For now I think I will leave the actual wing like that because it flies pretty well as is... and I might try to do a replacement one with that added features like ailerons or flaps.... Just an idea... Anyway thanks for the tips and tell everybody at GWS to keep up the good work....

Thanks

Bororin

[GWS CHEN]

Hi friends:

You are welcome!! Would you visit www.gwsus.com for more informations regarding GWS, news, products, service, performance datas, manuals and new products under development.

[GWS CHEN]

Mr Chen

If you are looking for a Canadian to do a review (build + fly) a new product, I'd be happy to help. I'm on the executive of 2 large Electric RC clubs, and can expose your products to pilots directly.


Hi Michael

Thank you for your kind words, you are welcome to join
GWS Early Birds, we'll keep you informed of GWS new
airplanes and new products as well, you could order them
from GWS HQ directly until they have been sold worldwide.
That's earlier than market selling.

We'll welcome and appreciate your feedback, early bird's
comments would normally be referred when improving/modifying GWS products.

Some Canadians have joined this membership, if you would
like to be the Early Bird of GWS, just send an e-mail to
joyce@gws.com.tw, she would be pleased to contact you
for the details.

Chen

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Glen, kdk and fhhuber506771:

Thank you for all of your kind words and supports.

As far as I've been informed that all jets will certainly be powered
by ducted fan motors, GWS EDF motors, and these EDF will be/have been further tested with inrunner brushless as they are more powerful than brushed.

I would like to say that Jets and WWI worbirds are taking priorities on Boss's plans.

Thanks,

Chen

[angelieri]

Chen,

My first GWS product was a 350C and I was very impressed. Then I bought a E-Starter and was wounderfull to build and to fly.
I did a post talking about its qualities. http://www.e-voo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8018&highlight=

The kit is well packed also, showing your resposabilities.

My next wish list is a P-51 but here in Brazil they said that this model doesn't performe well (instead of RCGroup ou RCUniverse are saing that is a great model). I think I'll buy any way.

My considerations:
- Here in Brazil we just have few models. Pico, Tiger Moth E-Starter, P-51 or Zero.
- The foam has some holes in the model. Try to avoid this.
- The adhesive is too hard. Try to use more flexible one.
- Congratulations to starting to work with brushless engines.

[P-38J-Lightning]

Welcome to RCGroups.com angelieri!!!!! :D

[fhhuber506771]

One I'd LOVE to see for a WWII EDF in ARF form... ME-262 "Swallow" ;)

[GWS CHEN]

One I'd LOVE to see for a WWII EDF in ARF form... ME-262 "Swallow" ;)


Hi fhhuber506771

My boss has talked about this WWII jet with us since last Dec., it's been on his plans.

Chen

[GWS CHEN]

Hi angelieri,

P-51 would probably need 1/3 throttle when approaching to land.
I've been told that adding flap control on it would be more helpful
however it would need one more channel or a V-tail mixer for both ailerons and flaps.

Applying EPS-400 or GWS 2208 brushless and LiPo on it would be much more fantastic. Don't worry! it's a great warbird.

Chen

[Jsutherland8]

Decals stuck to parts in box.
Have an A-10 GWS kit, and found decals stuck to other parts (instructions and plastic parts bag). parts of the decal sheet not useable. Decal sheets should lay flat in the bottom of the box. The sheets in this kit are too big. Two smaller sheets would solve the problem.

John A. Sutherland

[angelieri]

Welcome to RCGroups.com angelieri!!!!! :D

Thanks Lightning :)

[angelieri]

Hi angelieri,

P-51 would probably need 1/3 throttle when approaching to land.
I've been told that adding flap control on it would be more helpful
however it would need one more channel or a V-tail mixer for both ailerons and flaps.

Applying EPS-400 or GWS 2208 brushless and LiPo on it would be much more fantastic. Don't worry! it's a great warbird.

Chen

I've already ordered :cool:
I'll use a Himax 2015 4100 geared with nimh :D

And How about a GWS P-40 version? ;)

[P-38J-Lightning]

Thanks Lightning :)
np us canadians gotta stick together :D this place is dominated by those americans eh? :) just kidding

[GWS CHEN]

Hi John

Thank your for your suggestion regarding decal sheets, I've
keep my colleague informed of this problem. They'll put the
decal first in the kit box.
Chen

[GWS CHEN]

Hi angelieri

GWS is working more on brushless motors 2205/15, 2208/18,
2212, and ESC15A, 25A, 35A and ESC programming card. You'll
be glad to know that they'll be released next month (2205/15 and ESC15A have been released since last Dec.).

2208/18 would generate thrust for more than 600 grams when applying 3S LiPo. It works great on GWS warbirds, Formosa, PT-17 and Tiger Moth.

My colleague are working on P-40 and Jet also.

Chen

[P-38J-Lightning]

what about a P-38 that ISNT profile. the only one i have seen is Flying Styro and its HUGELY expensive for what it is

[aeronavale]

Hi Mr. Chen
GWS slow and park flyers brought me back to the hobby. No need for an 'official' flying field (usually located outside the city), saves time, fuel, and remarks from those "glow jocks" (was one of them but electrics is now my passion). Seems like quite a few numbers of RC enthousiasts liked them bigger and faster, technology was not there then for efficient electric flight but now the pendulum has swoung and I found that smaller and slower is my now what I'm looking for. GWS has helped electrics popularity. Since I tried my first GWS products I never had any major problems with GWS onboard equipment. Yes there might have been a few minor problems at times but my experience of buying RC equipment throught the years - I've seen worse believe me. One thing's for sure, I appreciate GWS backing its products.
I own and fly regularly a few GWS ships, pico stick (a classic), pico stick F (one of my favorite), funny park (finding that CG was quite a challenge and still is), and the P-51 (nice flying - stock).
I am looking to initiate a group of young RC'ers in an inside Gym session and my choice will be GWS' slow flyers - the Pico stick. No 3D in this gym.
Keep up the good work, you make the hobby accessible.

PS: ever tought of a GWS Hovercraft ? Flying slow and....low.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi aeronavale,

Thank you for your kind words and supports.

Talking about flying indoor, I would like to recommend flying pico
Tiger Moth, a fantastic biplane. All of GWS Pico ships could fly outdoor on calm days. Using new setup, 2S LiPoly 1000 mah pack, EPS 150 motor and ICS300Li instead would certainly be much better.

There are two kinds of flyer who like E-flying, the first one like you and I who would like flying at park/school yard as possible as we could, relaxing and flying easier is what we are looking for, the other one who would like flying bigger and faster with powerful 200-300W brushless motor like what nitro flyers usually do but still fly at park or school yard. I appreciate slow flyers who always make things comfortably and safely.

The major GWS products are for park flyers. However, GWS is working more on brushless motors 2205/15, 2208/18 and
2212, and ESC 15A, 25A, 35A and ESC programming card. P-40
and Jets are taking another priorities. GWS products are affordable as we would like to make this hobby accessible like
what you said above. You'd be glad to know that 2205/15 is the best motor for Pico ships. GWS is discussing about sailplane with
motor power.

Hope you enjoy GWS products more. Have nice flights always.

[Hetman]

Hello, last year I bought myself a E-Starter and taught myself to fly. I love the plane. Very forgiving and easily repairable. However, last year didn't have many good flying days due to wind. I would like to see a GWS product that can fly is slightlier stronger winds. Also, is GWS considering making planes is different materials other than EPP?

[IceWind]

Hi all!
Regarding planes i have two from GWS. One is a slowstick and the other that i bought 3 days ago is a Tiger Moth 400.
Regading the the only thing i didn't like was the rudder assembly, it makes it very fragile. But i'm a bit clumby so maybe that's the problem, appart from that it's a great plane. I've learned to fly with it, i often fly it to take some AP and to because i keep enjoying flying with it.
Regarding the Tiger Moth i haven't fly it, so i can only speak about the parts. Up to now the only thing i didn't like was those plastic struts, they are really awfull and came all curved. Gws could replaced the 2 main and the 4 big sticks with ply for example woul d give an excellent replacement. That's waht i'm doing now, building ones.
As i've said before, i havent fly it, but i've seen some fly and for the comments on the pilots they love them. That's why i got one too! :)
Electronics parts, well i got some esc and rx, servos. I can only complain about a esc that stopped powering the motor, for no reason. The servos work but not the motor.
But i like the stuff, and i'll keep buying them.
I know i've refered some probs but in the end i like GWS produts and like any other brand there's things they can improve.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers

[GWS CHEN]

Hello, last year I bought myself a E-Starter and taught myself to fly. I love the plane. Very forgiving and easily repairable. However, last year didn't have many good flying days due to wind. I would like to see a GWS product that can fly is slightlier stronger winds. Also, is GWS considering making planes is different materials other than EPP?

Hi Hetman,

I'd like to recommend flying Formosa or GWS warbirds
in slightlier stronger winds or gusty winds if you are an experienced pilot. Formosa was designed for pattern flights. Warbirds are great in the air.

EPP is expensive and hard to break up. The material of GWS birds was not the same as EPP. That's why GWS birds are affordable. You could add reinforcements on GWS birds for making them stronger if you think it's not
so tough as EPP one. Carbon rods, thin plywood, dowels, balsa sheets, bamboo sticks/sheets, epoxy coating and 3M tapes all could be used for that effect.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi IceWind,

You must come from a colder area. Is there still cold now?

Yes, rudder of Slow Stick was fragile but you could make it stronger by adding/gluing a piece of 3mm bamboo stick or 3/32"
dowel or a 3x3x152mm (1/8"x1/8"x6") hard balsa strip on it. Apply the same on elevator also would make your Slow Stick much better. Perhaps, you'd need to adjust the length of push rods for them.

Talking about Tiger Moth 400, these plastic strusts are tougher than plywood ones but someone like you would like them be more scale. Yes, plywood would be better in this way. You build ones, good work! just keep on doing.

Next time when you experience the ESC shut down motor earlier,
just pull back throttle stick and push it forward again. If it does
not work correctly for you, just contact service@gwsus.com for
help.

[WhenPigsFly]

The Formosa brought me back to this great hobby after a 5 year hiatus. It is a great plane and flies slow enough for me to teach my son. The one disappointment I have had however is the struggles with the 6 channel Naro. I moved it around the plane trying to keep it away from other electronics like the ESC including routing the antenna away from the battery & ECS as best I could and still a get a lot of glitches. I wanted to build the Formosa as light as possible and therefore choose this receiver. However after to many problems causing crashes I have gone back to the 156F Futaba receiver (also single conversion) that came with my radio without any problems. I didn’t want to give up on the receiver so I put it into an old gentle lady that has no power system (Hi-start launched) but still I get glitches. I though it might be just my receiver but others at the field I fly at have indicated the same type of problems with this receiver. I have since bought several other planes including the slow stick and placed single conversion Futaba's 156 and Dual conversion Hitec electron 6 in them without really any major issues. Keep up the great offerings in planes but please advice anything that will help the receiver problem.

[IceWind]

Hi IceWind,

You must come from a colder area. Is there still cold now?

Yes, rudder of Slow Stick was fragile but you could make it stronger by adding/gluing a piece of 3mm bamboo stick or 3/32"
dowel or a 3x3x152mm (1/8"x1/8"x6") hard balsa strip on it. Apply the same on elevator also would make your Slow Stick much better. Perhaps, you'd need to adjust the length of push rods for them.

Talking about Tiger Moth 400, these plastic strusts are tougher than plywood ones but someone like you would like them be more scale. Yes, plywood would be better in this way. You build ones, good work! just keep on doing.

Next time when you experience the ESC shut down motor earlier,
just pull back throttle stick and push it forward again. If it does
not work correctly for you, just contact service@gwsus.com for
help.

First thanks for answering.
About the slowstick, i've modded the rudder. It's fine now.
Part of the fun in R/C is to mod stuff.
About the TM struts, you guys have the knowledge if you say it's better, it's because it's better.
About the esc, well that just didn't worked for no reason. I turned the power on, the servos where moving but not the motor. I changed with another one same model, and it worked. If there is something i can do to fix it, let me know.

And thanks again.
Btw, i'm not from a such cold place! I'm from Portugal. You can see GWS kits in the skyes over here.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi WhenPigsFly,

Thank you for your kind words, you got a nice vital picture on your
post!

You'd need to check the crystal legs up with your R6N/R6NII, keep it well inserted first, use full length of its antenna, then have
a ground check for 60-70 feet with antenna collapsed on transmitter to see if it works properly. If it does not work correctly,
would you contact service@gwsus.com for help.

Some flyers reported that having a new crystal on it would be
better but not for all cases. If it still doesn't work, just contact
GWS USA for help.

Hope these would be helpful.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi IceWind,

I am glad to know your Slow Stick is in good order now and there
are GWS birds in the skies of Portugal.

As for ESC, I've had same problem with you. In my experience with this ESC (ICS300?), I switched a fully charged battery pack
with it first, then push throttle trim up to its top position and operate throttle stick again and again to see if it works. Normally
it works after having this way on it. However, if your ESC is an
ICS300Li or ICS400Li or ICS480Li and you've experienced with
earlier shot down problem and it still doesn't work for you after having operated throttle stick again. Would you contact service@gws.com.tw for help.

[JackDD]

HI Chen,
Love the GWS Foamies, I presently have the E-Starter, Spitfire, and a Stearman. Love them all. But can you do some thing about the landing gear slot.. It never survives my landings, and usually end up glueing in some popsicle sticks for stiffeners. Keep up the good work ;)

[WhenPigsFly]

Hi WhenPigsFly,

Thank you for your kind words, you got a nice vital picture on your
post!

You'd need to check the crystal legs up with your R6N/R6NII, keep it well inserted first, use full length of its antenna, then have
a ground check for 60-70 feet with antenna collapsed on transmitter to see if it works properly. If it does not work correctly,
would you contact service@gwsus.com for help.

Some flyers reported that having a new crystal on it would be
better but not for all cases. If it still doesn't work, just contact
GWS USA for help.

Hope these would be helpful.


Thank you for the reply and being part of this forum. Upon your comments I checked on the crystal and actually thought it was the problem. I therefore changed the crystal but still had the problem. It appears now that it is the ceramic filter that is the problem. When I put pressure against the side it betters the range three fold. My curiousity and being that I'm an electrical engineer got the better of me so I than check with my oscilloscope and found that the signal significantly improved when moving the filter in a certain position. I check on the leads to the board and they seem fine so its something internal, therefore it apears that a replacement will be the best course. Thanls for your interest.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi JackDD,

Suggest you to glue some pieces of transparent plstic sheet (same as GWS servo/ESC packing) inside of the landing gear slot, then insert the gear mount. It's something like reinforcements. Hope these would be helpful.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi WhenPigsFly,

You are welcome! Sorry for that filter, I'd believe you have no
trouble about the replacement of it.

[Pa0222]

Hi All,

To the people talking about the glitching on GWS receivers. I also have experience this problem ever since I own a 4 channel pico.
Just today I went to my local hobby shop and browsing around for parts I found an antenna cable for something like 3 bucks. So I decided to give it a try and replaced the "hard to see" black thin wire for the stock white thicker (probably heavier but nothing to die for) cable. Boy what a difference I just did a ground check in my apartment trough walls and stuff and it was something else.
I still have to check it further and fly it, but my first impression is very positive. Maybe here is the root of the problem or at least part of the problem.

I'll keep everybody posted on this.

Pedro.

PS: Maybe you don't have to put your receiver in the garbage or buy a Berg microstamp :)

[GIFLYRC]

As an Earlybird member I received the GWS brushless motor/esc combo and am happy with the performance as well as the price.
That said, my only complaint is that the wires on the ESC are too stiff and also too long.
With the size and weight of individual components becoming less and less through SMT
it's a shame that the interconnecting wireing and connecters take up so much space!

Roger aka GIFLYRC

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Roger,

Thank you for your comments. I'd believe that you were not
happy with the length of the wire for plugging with receiver.
I agree that it's too long to use. I'd like to keep the manager of
production lines informed.

Chen

[GIFLYRC]

Chen,

Thank you for your reply.
The wire length is only half the problem.
Wire flexability is the other half. The wires are not flexable and therefore not easy to use in tight spaces

Roger

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Roger,

I bet you would like having silicon coated wires instead. I'll keep my boss and colleagues informed of your comments.

Chen

[Pa0222]

Hi again,

If you were following... I finally tested my 4 channel GWS receiver with the new thicker antenna. It tested very well and flew like a dream, no glitches in the middle of the city surrounded by tall buildings and some small power poles too. So the solution for me cost me $3 for a regular antenna at my LHS.

Pedro.

[biggy boy]

Hi again,

If you were following... I finally tested my 4 channel GWS receiver with the new thicker antenna. It tested very well and flew like a dream, no glitches in the middle of the city surrounded by tall buildings and some small power poles too. So the solution for me cost me $3 for a regular antenna at my LHS.

Pedro.
Good news thanks
I know that my older 4 channel GWS receivers have a longer wire then the new ones do.
The older ones work good, It's the newer ones with the shorter wires that
seem to have the problem.

Glen

[WhenPigsFly]

Good news thanks
I know that my older 4 channel GWS receivers have a longer wire then the new ones do.
The older ones work good, It's the newer ones with the shorter wires that
seem to have the problem.

Glen

I think your on to something here because now that you put it into words I can see my experience being the same. Except of course for the failled filter I experienced on one of the RX I have, see previous post (58). Now doing a comparison I do have two of the older RX's and they do have longer antennas and I don't recall the same type of problems. I have them in some older planes and I haven't been flying them for several years. I had the assumption that there is just more interference these days but it might have just been the RX antenna. :confused: experiments to follow.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Pa0222,

Thanks, what a contribution ! It's a good news for people who have had same problem so far. Would you let me know the length of this new/thicker antenna. I'd like to keep my colleagues
informed of your new finding.

Hi Friends,

There are new GWS 8 channels receivers, R8D series and R8Ms.
They were newly designed with longer range and better performance. They are cheaper than another same kind receivers.
http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/receiver/rd8.htm
http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/receiver/rd8sl.htm
http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/receiver/r8msl.htm
http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/receiver/r8msl+.htm

They can be used on both nitro engine airplanes and electrial ones.

Hope these would be helpful with your new airplanes.

Chen

[biggy boy]

I think your on to something here because now that you put it into words I can see my experience being the same. Except of course for the failled filter I experienced on one of the RX I have, see previous post (58). Now doing a comparison I do have two of the older RX's and they do have longer antennas and I don't recall the same type of problems. I have them in some older planes and I haven't been flying them for several years. I had the assumption that there is just more interference these days but it might have just been the RX antenna. :confused: experiments to follow.

I have stopped buying the GWs receivers since they went to the sort antena
Have downed (crashed) two planes now the older ones I still fly with and work good. I threw one of the short antenna ones into the garbage the other two which were brand new I took back to the LHS only had a couple of flights on them. The one I threw out was too beet up to return.

Glen

[Pa0222]

The new antenna I solder is 1100mm long and is a Futaba FM part number FUTM1620. The one I removed was a bit shorter 1035mm and thinner but I don't have a gauge to measure it.

Pedro.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Pedro,

Thank you. Could you tell me how many strands there are inside of your new antenna. Thanks.

Chen

[WhenPigsFly]

Hi Pedro,

Thank you. Could you tell me how many strands there are inside of your new antenna. Thanks.

Chen

I will be using a standard Futaba 22gauge wire for my test. Best I can tell the GWS is a 24gauge or maybe even thinner. I feel this is the bigger problem than the length. :(

[GWS CHEN]

Hi WhenPigsFly,

Would you keep us informed of your test report.

I've been informed that GWS R6NII came with better performance than its older version - R6N. Now it's being
challenged. It seems that R6NII coming with longer (1100mm like what pedro used) and thicker antenna would be better.

Chen

[Pa0222]

Hi Chen,

The wire has 30 very fine strands and now is 1099mm long. My receiver model is GWR-4P, I haven't try your naro receivers but I'm so broke now, I just upgraded everything to Lipos/brushless. I have 2 planes but just 1 rec; I was using a standard futaba with my slow stick because it can bear the extra weight fine but I have sold that rec to fund brushless/Lipos.
I wish Glen would have sent me that receiver he threw away.

Pedro.

PS: I was seriuosly considering to get a CC Berg 4 which are not bad priced but now I'll have to think again once I get the money. It could be as easy as changing the antenna of a GWS receiver.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Pedro,

You've done a great job on R4P which was originally designed for
indoor use with range of 150 meters (about 460 feet) only. For an
outdoor airplane, it normally requires at least 500 feet in receiver
range.

Thank you, a new antenna with 30 fine strands and 1100 or 1099mm long makes R4P much better. It's a great news for all
GWS user.

Chen

[biggy boy]

Hi Pedro,

You've done a great job on R4P which was originally designed for
indoor use with range of 150 meters (about 460 feet) only. For an
outdoor airplane, it normally requires at least 500 feet in receiver
range.

Thank you, a new antenna with 30 fine strands and 1100 or 1099mm long makes R4P much better. It's a great news for all
GWS user.

Chen
I think it is pathetic that the manufacture of a product does not make something properly in the first place and test it before releasing it to the market :mad:
Why should the end user have to spend their precious time finding out that a new antenna has to be added to YOUR PRODUCT to make it safe to use?
I crashed Two airplanes multipal times before I figured out the newer GWS receivers have a problem.

Thanks go out to the people that do take the extra steps and time to fix these problem and share them with the rest of us.
NO GWS I'm not talking about you!
Sorry GWS you had your chance. I buy other brands or receivers now.
But I do think your planes are great :)

Glen

[Cracroft]

I think it is pathetic that the manufacture of a product does not make something properly in the first place and test it before releasing it to the market :mad:
Why should the end user have to spend their precious time finding out that a new antenna has to be added to YOUR PRODUCT to make it safe to use?
I crashed Two airplanes multipal times before I figured out the newer GWS receivers have a problem.

Thanks go out to the people that do take the extra steps and time to fix these problem and share them with the rest of us.
NO GWS I'm not talking about you!
Sorry GWS you had your chance. I buy other brands or receivers now.
But I do think your planes are great :)

Glen


Being new to this Hobby and finding rcgroups this is an invaluable source for what to start out with, what to purchase and not to purchase. After reading the posts about GWS antennas & receivers you've lost my business on them before I even started The planes come highly recommended and I do plan to purchase my first planes (besides the AA I got).

Now what does everyone think of their ESC's :confused:

John

[biggy boy]

Being new to this Hobby and finding rcgroups this is an invaluable source for what to start out with, what to purchase and not to purchase. After reading the posts about GWS antennas & receivers you've lost my business on them before I even startn The planes come highly recommended and I do plan to purchase my first planes (besides the AA I got).

Now what does everyone think of their ESC's :confused:

John

Once again I stay away from their ESC. Ive had three Chinese knock off ESc blow up two brand new. Once again I threw the a new one in the garbage, I don't need one starting a fire.
I only use Castle Creation ESC, the reason being I am able to connect them with a USB cable and program them with my computer.
It shows exactly what it programed into the ESc such as low voltage cut off, brake type........ with the other ESC you have to program them by moving the throttle stick on your transmitter and look at flashing lights or beeps coming from your ESC. I find the computer it fast and i can graphically see the results.
There is three things I do not mess with when it comes to the Chinese knock offs I stay away from there ESC, receivers and Lipo batteries.
But I do by the Chinese knock off motors and servos with no problem yet.
for Lipo batteries I use polyquest, Thunder Power and Apogee.
Hi tec receivers and Jr mico receivers are good in my opinion.
The chines appear to very good at copying other peoples items and knocking them off, but appear to have zero skill at coming up with their own stuff.

But GWS does make great planes and I use there propellers almost inclusively :)
Glen

[WhenPigsFly]

I think it is pathetic that the manufacture of a product does not make something properly in the first place and test it before releasing it to the market :mad:
Why should the end user have to spend their precious time finding out that a new antenna has to be added to YOUR PRODUCT to make it safe to use?
I crashed Two airplanes multipal times before I figured out the newer GWS receivers have a problem.

Thanks go out to the people that do take the extra steps and time to fix these problem and share them with the rest of us.
NO GWS I'm not talking about you!
Sorry GWS you had your chance. I buy other brands or receivers now.
But I do think your planes are great :)

Glen

I could not agree more. If QA/QC is not important to a company then we as a hole should not deal with the company. The new antenna I put onto both receivers made a world of difference both on the scope and in a field test and the cost is less than a dollar. What the hell is GWS thinking here. No more for me, I will use Futaba, Hitec, or Berg from now on. It is not worth crashing Hundreds of dollars to save a couple of bucks up front :censored: :censored: .

[biggy boy]

I could not agree more. If QA/QC is not important to a company then we as a hole should not deal with the company. The new antenna I put onto both receivers made a world of difference both on the scope and in a field test and the cost is less than a dollar. What the hell is GWS thinking here. No more for me, I will use Futaba, Hitec, or Berg from now on. It is not worth crashing Hundreds of dollars to save a couple of bucks up front :censored: :censored: .
In an earlier post I talked about flying near a radio tower and how my planes were crashing with the newer GWs receivers.
I still fly at that exact spot almost every day and since changing to Hitec and Jr receiver, no more receiver induced crashes.
I'm still crashing, but it my fault :rolleyes: :p
Trying to do stupid stuff close to the ground when it is too windy or pushing my flying capabilities. oops :D

Glen

[Pa0222]

Now that I think it over thanks to the other people's point of view. Why bother when the manufacturer doesn't?
I will get myself a Castle Creation's Berg 4 when I get the money. You can read it on the CC forum these guys REALLY care. In my personal experience I got an used CC10 that doesn't want to turn my outrunner properly and they went over and over trying to solve the problem, they finally asked me to send it back to them and they'll take care of the problem. This is service!!!

Pedro.

[biggy boy]

Now that I think it over thanks to the other people's point of view. Why bother when the manufacturer doesn't?
I will get myself a Castle Creation's Berg 4 when I get the money. You can read it on the CC forum these guys REALLY care. In my personal experience I got an used CC10 that doesn't want to turn my outrunner properly and they went over and over trying to solve the problem, they finally asked me to send it back to them and they'll take care of the problem. This is service!!!

Pedro.

CC is the best, they will take any of there products back and replace it no questions asked.
I totally support CC

Glen

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Friends,

GWS receivers have been sold worldwide since 1997. There are many kinds of GWS receivers, R4N, R4P, R4NII, R6N, R6NII,
R8MSL and RD8SL in line. We've done our best to produce every
product with best quality before releasing to our delears/distributors worldwide. I personally have nice experiences with GWS receivers and ESCs, that's why I've been
working for GWS since last October. However, some of GWS products might have been defective after being shipped. GWS do have customer service in US and Taiwan, you could contact service@gwsus.com for help in case you have problem with your GWS products.

Naro receivers were designed as light as we could, so a lighter
antenna with 9 strands even less was used for them. Thicker
antennas with 12-18 strands have been widely used on normal size receiver. However, an antenna coming with 30 strands would be much better which I appreciated Pedro's feedback, but it doesn't mean that GWS is going to do the same. We take everthing related into our account for designing new product. For your reference, GWS R8Ms and RD8s come with much better performance but still with thinner antenna. Here are links for your reference.
http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/receiver/rd8sl.htm
http://www.gwsus.com/english/product/receiver/r8msl+.htm

There are GWS ESCs designed for NiMh, LiPo, brushed motor and
brushless motor. You could take enough reference from visiting our web site www.gwsus.com

Moreover, GWS HQ is based in Taiwan, GWS is not a Chinese
company though there is a GWS China plant. We've never copied another brands' products so far. Oppositely, there are many GWS products have already been copied by some Chinese manufacturer and have already been sold on ebay and another internet stores since years ago.

Chen

[WhenPigsFly]

.............. However, some of GWS products might have been defective after being shipped. GWS do have customer service in US and Taiwan, you could contact service@gwsus.com for help in case you have problem with your GWS products..........

First of I have respect for a company that supports their product by letting us provide feedback opportunity like provided on this forum. However, the statement above reiterates the fact that QA/QC is a major problem for GWS. I’m torn, on one hand the feedback opportunity is provided but on the other hand I feel like a guinea pig in provide the GWS QA/QC for them as I’ve put numerous hours and money on the line. Therefore I’ve made the decision to go elsewhere with my hard earned money.

My 0.02 cents

[Pa0222]

Chen and all others,

I agree with "whenpigsfly" the feedback opportunity is precious and I can't tell about the costumer service since I've never used it. For someone like me who doesn't have a club and the first electronics comes from GWS, I just though that was the way a small receiver single conversion reacted (very glitchy).
It turns out is a DESIGN problem and not just MY receiver. I think R4P probably will work well for someone flying indoors but also like in a barn in a desolated area (northern Quebec?). If you intended the product for the US-Canada market you HAVE to design for highly radio polluted areas; this is where the 80-90% of the people lives.
Please Chen don't be defensive we are here to help, but you have to admit it is or was a design flaw. If not there were no people here complaining about your receivers.
In other hand, I recently read an article from Peter Berg and he basicly says that single conversion has nothing to do with poor receiver performance. He also says filtering and so on is much more important but are hard to achieve for a low cost receiver. But still a 30 strand vs 18 strand or less antenna is something you can fix without having to spend to much or compromise the weight of the receiver.
I'm under the impression (maybe I'm wrong) that now GWS suggests the use of dual conversion for outdoors flying when is not necesarily like that; as mention in P. Berg's article.
By the way P. Berg is the one of the firsts guys to make a Tx-Rx system for RC use back in the '50s, look him up :)

Pedro.

[biggy boy]

Chen and all others,

I agree with "whenpigsfly" the feedback opportunity is precious and I can't tell about the costumer service since I've never used it. For someone like me who doesn't have a club and the first electronics comes from GWS, I just though that was the way a small receiver single conversion reacted (very glitchy).
It turns out is a DESIGN problem and not just MY receiver. I think R4P probably will work well for someone flying indoors but also like in a barn in a desolated area (northern Quebec?). If you intended the product for the US-Canada market you HAVE to design for highly radio polluted areas; this is where the 80-90% of the people lives.
Please Chen don't be defensive we are here to help, but you have to admit it is or was a design flaw. If not there were no people here complaining about your receivers.
In other hand, I recently read an article from Peter Berg and he basicly says that single conversion has nothing to do with poor receiver performance. He also says filtering and so on is much more important but are hard to achieve for a low cost receiver. But still a 30 strand vs 18 strand or less antenna is something you can fix without having to spend to much or compromise the weight of the receiver.
I'm under the impression (maybe I'm wrong) that now GWS suggests the use of dual conversion for outdoors flying when is not necesarily like that; as mention in P. Berg's article.
By the way P. Berg is the one of the firsts guys to make a Tx-Rx system for RC use back in the '50s, look him up :)

Pedro.
I have also read that article by Burg and Pedro is correct in what he is saying.
And the statement about GWS being a Taiwanese company, Makes you no better then china. Here in North America, ever since I was a kid (I am now 43) If it said "Made in Taiwan" on the package, it meant it was poor quality.
I am not saying that items made in taiwan are still inferior, but you have some proving to do. Once you have a reputation for making garbage for years and years, it takes a lot of effort to prove to the consumers otherwise. We North Americans have seen
inferior quality products coming from Taiwan for many many years .
Go out on the streets of North America and ask someone what comes to mind when you say the words "made in Taiwan" and most will say dollar store junk
that will brake right away.

Glen

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Pedro,

Thank you for your comments, I'd like to keep my colleagues informed of your suggestion. It'd probably much better to locate
receiver far away from motor and ESC.

Hi Glen,

It was true that "made in Taiwan" meant poor quality 20 years ago. However, quality of Taiwan made products have significantly
been improved since 10 years ago. I've seen lots of high end R/C
transmitters/servos are made in Taiwan, famous computers, LCD monitors, computer's RAM/CPU/chips and digital cameras as well. I do not intend to change your mind but you could take more looks at those advanced products.

[Pa0222]

OK. I took the time to count the strands on my old GWS stock antenna. It has 16 strands. As Chen mention "Thicker antennas with 12-18 strands have been widely used on normal size receiver". Remember mine is a pico size with a 16 strands and it was performing horribly.
As for the location: when you have a problem this big that it barely let you fly, you try EVERYTHING. So, yes I had tried every position, antenna routing, you name it. I was even considering a ferrite ring until (by chance) I saw that Futaba cable at my LHS.
I can not stress it enough: this is NOT a special antenna, this is the stock Futaba FM antenna cable. So obviously the stock GWS had some problem.

Pedro.

PS: I ALWAYS place my receiver as far from motor/ESC/batt/servos as the cables let me.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Pedro,

Sorry, I took wrong reference with the thickness of antenna for you. I've today discussed this issue thoroughly with GWS R&D dept. A 16-strand antenna was used on R4P/R6N series indeed, and a specially designed antenna has been used on R8M/RD8 series, it comes with almost the same outer diameter as R4P/R6N one but contains 50 strands, they're softer and thinner than another ones. I've been informed that weight has been taken into account when designing pico receivers and a thinner antenna has been used, like what I told you earlier, and normal size is 30 strands, like what you mentioned Futaba one. I've informed my colleague of your findings and suggestions also. I'd like to take it as an issue when meetings are held internally in GWS HQ.

I'd like to state a link regarding the performance of GWS receiver,
ESC, motor and servos reported by Jeff, an American pilot who
started a long thread about GWS Slow Stick years ago. Post #12
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478510&pp=15

I still need to say that it'd not be better to use a normal R4P receiver at an outdoor field. However, your findings would be helpful with people who insists on using it outdoor.

Chen

[biggy boy]

I'd like to state a link regarding the performance of GWS receiver,
ESC, motor and servos reported by Jeff, an American pilot who
started a long thread about GWS Slow Stick years ago. Post #12
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478510&pp=15

I still need to say that it'd not be better to use a normal R4P receiver at an outdoor field. However, your findings would be helpful with people who insists on using it outdoor.

Chen

Maybe it would be a good Idea to print on the package " Do not flying out side or more then 20 feet away" :rolleyes:
Thanks for that link Chen!
Her is one for you ;)
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=418582
Shall I keep them coming?

Glen

[WhenPigsFly]

For the record all my comments were about the GWS NARO 6 Channel Receiver not the 4 channel PICO.

[biggy boy]

For the record all my comments were about the GWS NARO 6 Channel Receiver not the 4 channel PICO.

My problems have been with the Naro 6 also.

Glen

[biggy boy]

I like their planes.
More GWS receiver threads

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5360971&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch#post5360971

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=506723&page=3&pp=15&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505209&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505714&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=488021&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5136484&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch#post5136484

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5071735&postcount=67

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5048550&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch#post5048550

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5038465&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch#post5038465

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468796&pp=15&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4945768&postcount=617

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4788076&postcount=4

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4697010&postcount=7

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4642063&postcount=857

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4624383&postcount=17

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4624130&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch#post4624130

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4807952&postcount=13

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4547065&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch#post4547065

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4546068&postcount=133

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4524275&highlight=gws+receiver+glitch#post4524275

[GWS CHEN]

Hi WhenPigsFly and Glen,

Here is another post regarding R6N at post #27

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=506723&page=2&pp=15

Chen

[Pa0222]

Ahhh come on Chen!!!. One (1) post in all the thread. There is serious people giving opinions there like Blaze.45 and he doesn't like your Rx. It might be that you have good and bad productions batches, ie inconsistant quality. It all boils down to QC.

Pedro.

[bob_suruncle]

My $0.02... GWS offers an inexpensive way for people to get into the hobby or expand their electric plane fleet without blowing the bank. Are there better quality products or better featured products out there than GWS.... sure there are and in my experience they are more expensive too. There isnt much else out there that compares with GWS in the arena of price versus performance. GWS has nicely filled a niche for those of us who want to build and modify our planes without going broke in the process and the best part is that when I crash my plane (through pilot error not through faulty equipment) I dont cry too hard because I can generally salvage the electronics and buy a whole new slope glider to drop them into for under $50.00 depending on the model I am after. My only requests for Mr Chen:

Make it easier for smaller Canadian retailers to buy direct (ie smaller minimum orders, minimal stocking orders) as few if any of the Canadian retailers are on the same level as their larger US counter parts

Keep working on cool new models like the P-38 and get them out to the market so we can buy em and fly em

Consider updating existing kits like my beloved beaver by giving us things like a stronger and more scale sized wing

Lastly keep talking to us! I am truly impressed at how many threads Mr. Chen and his staff pop in on to comment or help out in.

[GWS CHEN]

Hi Bob,

Thank you for your words. My colleagues are working more on
both P-40 and P-38. My boss is trying to make a decision on
these two warbirds, which one goes first. I would like to see P-40
first as it'd be much simpler than P-38, but boss seems prefers
p-38 to fly first. Prototypes of both have already been tested well
so far.

I'd like to keep my boss informed of your suggestion on Beaver.

Chen

[bob_suruncle]

Hi Bob,

Thank you for your words. My colleagues are working more on
both P-40 and P-38. My boss is trying to make a decision on
these two warbirds, which one goes first. I would like to see P-40
first as it'd be much simpler than P-38, but boss seems prefers
p-38 to fly first. Prototypes of both have already been tested well
so far.

I'd like to keep my boss informed of your suggestion on Beaver.

Chen

Gee and I thought you were the boss with that snappy executive look you have going on ;) P-38 or P-40 is a tough decision and I would be happy with either at this point... as well as my scale beaver wing of course :D

[curiousD]

Mr. Chen,

I too would love a more scale wing for my GWS Beaver!

You have done such a wonderful job on all of the rest of you kits! I love my GWS Tigermoth (the earliest version that you made - you can see it on my blog. It can be made to scale out quite well).

By the way, my vote would be for the P-40. And then for some neat WWI biplanes, such as the Albatros DV, the Spad, the SE-5, The Sopwith Pup or Camel, etc.

Dave