new gps/ins integrated flight computer

[cobaltdan]

We have been developing several interesting UAV's using a new flight computer we developed.

Our micro flight computer integrates our full blown gps/inu + an xscale processor (running linux) + 2 transceivers ( short range wifi and long range 1watt 900 mhz spread spectrum) + position motor controllers + servo outputs + a few other bells and whistles...its a very dense board pack.

I complete spec sheet will be available soon but I put a sneak peak picture up on a back web page showning some development work going we are doing on a quad rotor UAV :

http://www.atairaerospace.com/dev/quad-copter/

I am curious to hear from parties possibly interested in our gps/inu/xcale computers for other projects.


Sincerely,

Daniel Preston
Atair Aerospace

[CenTexFlyer]

I'd be interested in hearing the price of your GPS/INU

Thanks

Gene

[cobaltdan]

I do not have price for you yet, but we will be competitive priced.

[mckaneorg]

Stay away from this unit !!! You'll be very, very sorry you ever got involved with it.

If you want a real GPS/INS unit thats competitvely priced and "field tested" (not imaginary like the above) check out this site. This is the best on the market.

http://www.cloudcaptech.com/piccolo_family.htm

Interesting, I have read multiple reports about this technology (CLOUDCAP) and many say that there are faults with the system. What has been your experience? In what ways have you used it? Why do you speak so highly of it?

Also, Can you elaborate on the system mentioned above that you referred to as "Dog with fleas". I am curious to see why this is not a good platform. Their website does seem amatuer but you can't always judge a company by that. For that matter cloudcap has a pretty ugly website.

I have personally bought several AP systems and not really have been able to really say "WOW" on any of them. Most of them are mediocre at best.

Hope I was not to harsh... :)

-j

[Blue Collar]

I bet OregonGPS is somehow affiliated with Cloudcap which is located in Oregon. Bashing your competition only makes you look bad, let the end users decide which systems work, mckane is right it doesn't seem like anybody out there has gotten it right yet.

[cobaltdan]

Stay away from this unit !!! You'll be very, very sorry you ever got involved with it.

If you want a real GPS/INS unit thats competitvely priced and "field tested" (not imaginary like the above) check out this site. This is the best on the market.

http://www.cloudcaptech.com/piccolo_family.htm




your comments are untrue. you have no experience with our product and besides being rude, i assume unsubstantiated product bashing is frowned upon in these forums.

our inertial sensors are in fact fielded within the US military to several divisions of the army,as well as nasa, darpa, and navy...


daniel preston
atair aerospace
www.atairaerospace.com

[Tuner]

He is not Fooling anyone.

Im Very interested in Using your Unit For My Tandem/Tilt Wing UAV project.
I will be in the market for INU with a CPU as I need a CPU to do various tasks such as mixing....

This is very similar to your 4 Rotor Heli only each rotor can tilt 180deg and it could fly like an airplane.

I will have video by christmas.
rcgroups.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=200&page=2&sort=lastpost&order=&pp=25&daysprune=30
Scott

[dracul]

I'd be interested to know ball park figures for the unit.

The hardware you mention costs under a 1K USD, but if like most other
AP units that are being flogged you're going to charge a 'competitive'
5K then I simply can't afford it!

Still it might be something to look at in the future....

Cheers,
Kudos

[cobaltdan]

I'd be interested to know ball park figures for the unit.

The hardware you mention costs under a 1K USD, but if like most other
AP units that are being flogged you're going to charge a 'competitive'
5K then I simply can't afford it!

Still it might be something to look at in the future....

Cheers,
Kudos


I just went over the component list, actually the silicon costs are almost double your estimate. Given that a ROM cost will be $4k in its current configuration:

-300mhz xscale processor (running linux)
-full blown imu: triaxial accelerometers, magnetometers, rate gyros, barometric altimeter, and 4hz gps
-rf wifi transceiver
-long range 900mhz spread spectrum transceiver
-two dc motor servo controllers (turns a dc motor (3amp max) with an encoder or potentiometer into a 10 bit position servo)
-three 5amp transistor outputs (for pyros or dc actuators)

For purchasing or custom versions the contact at Atair is Rick Zaccari:
rzaccari@atairaerospace.com 718-923-1709

Thanks for the interest.

Sincerely,

Daniel Preston
Atair Aerospace

[OregonGPSINS]

The CloudCap IMU which I have very much experience with is the premiere IMU on the market. CloudCap is used by:

AAI
Advanced Cermaics
Israeili Aircraft
NAVAIR
Raytheon
ONR
Johns Hopkins
UC Berkely
L3 - One of ATAIR's so called "Strategic Partners" uses CloudCap.

... as well as dozens of other big players (http://www.cloudcaptech.com/customers.htm)

I am mad at this post because this board is not about "pedaling" your products, its a consortium for discussion. Go take out an ad in an RC magazine if you want to sell things.

And remember, no one ever got fired for using CloudCap.

[Unterhausen]

OregonGPSINS,
actually this thread is completely within the rules of the forum. And as long as a vendor doesn't spam the forum and makes their conflicts of interest clear, I think it should stay this way. This is the second atair thread, hopefully any further threads will have new information. Cloudcap should feel free to post about their equipment, although they have a good web site.

Cloudcap is getting plenty of competition, I wouldn't lose my head every time a new competitor shows up. Most of us are aware of Cloudcap, we have now heard of Atair, and we can't afford either. Try to play nice.

[caseih]

The CloudCap IMU which I have very much experience with is the premiere IMU on the market.
<snip comments attempting to "pedal" CloudCap products>
I am mad at this post because this board is not about "pedaling" your products, its a consortium for discussion. Go take out an ad in an RC magazine if you want to sell things.

And remember, no one ever got fired for using CloudCap.
How do yo know your product is so much better? Have you purchased this other unit and tried it out? From what I can tell this other unit isn't even yet available on the general market. How is his post any more of an ad than your post? Are you not also selling something? Certainly i think the vast majority of us are quite interested in learning more details about his product as well as other products. Your product can't remain the "premiere IMU on the market" simply by your attempts to prevent others from learning about its competition. Feel free to post about CloudCap's merits and features without resorting to these kind of jabs. Telling us to "stay away" from CloudCap's competition really doesn't cause me to be interested in CloudCap's products.

[Fieldruts]

Did someone eventually come up with some pricing for the Atair equipment?

Ken

[CenTexFlyer]

I just went over the component list, actually the silicon costs are almost double your estimate. Given that a ROM cost will be $4k in its current configuration:


Well, it looks like he's starting out at $4000 in silicon. With all the other goodies that were listed with this post, I'd say the $5000 'competitive' figure would NOT be the starting price.......

[OregonGPSINS]

All,

I dont build IMUs, I've used them for 20 years and I've used all of them, from the 777 to the JDAM and I know whats good for your model community.

If this product doesnt exist (AKA can't buy it - dont even know the cost) then why is our time being wasting here? Frankly, these posts would be better served on fiction.com. Also, I've seen this form factor before and I highly suspect its a repackaged COTS product out there.

Also, $4K in silicon usually comes out to about $20K to $30K sale price.

Lastly, the unit is so new (so new it doenst exist) that there's a "develoment sharing agreement". So you spend money debugging unproven code and mail the fixes back because you saved $1K per unit? Please.

People, IMUs arent something you "play around with". They are responsible for keeping your aircraft in the air and one poorly written line of code ruins your aircraft. Lot of money to invest when there's a great product already out there.

Lets keep fiction out of the facts.

[Tuner]

Despite your cinesism you make a great point.
Saving a grand to debugg somone elses code is rarely beneficial though if the development around it is solid then this can have some benefit.

The only reason I would do this if Atair implemented features that I could not get anywhere else or to know that this was developed with my product in mind.

I was woundering if I could pick your brain as my understanding of IMU is technicall but I have zero experience with specific models.


I like the Atair Product mostly because I to am building a 4 rotor heli and know of few systems that have been tested with such a setup.

Scott

[Tuner]

Im all about buying one of these now if you are still intersted please PM me.
Thanks

Scott

[Nixie]

I would love to have an INS (or INU) for my submarine. Where can I find one that's not an arm/leg cost?

[Unterhausen]

I would love to have an INS (or INU) for my submarine. Where can I find one that's not an arm/leg cost?
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