overunity applications in electric flight

[electrohead]

The subject to which I'm speaking here is what is termed overunity, which means for those unfamiliar a coefficient of performance greater than one or an efficiency greater than 100%.
Now i've built a device known as POD 'power on demand' a replication which does exceed 100% efficiency. For those who instantly disregarded what I just said above, be reminded of the wright brothers and the situation among science denying the possibility of heavier than air flight to the bitter end. The fact is my crude device accomplishes a coefficient of performance of 2.0 that means the device when run in line with a load enables a 200% efficiency. Also this device is solid state, no moving parts.
So to relate the subject line, you may see the implications not only to r.c. electric flight but many other areas im sure.
Comments.

[Neil McGrath]

If you can do it, you are going to be a very rich man. Patent your idea immediately! People have tried for centuries to achieve what you have claimed.

Neil

[opualuan]

and monkeys might fly out of my...

prove it.

[Red Baron 47]

Let's see some pictures, drawings, circuits, results etc.

[notoatmeal]

It is supposed to go; observe, guess, test, analyse, publish.
not; guess, publish, hope no one checks.


Advances in science come by laying brick upon brick, not by sudden erection of fairy palaces.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859-1930)


Keeping an open mind is a virtue - but as the space engineer James Oberg once said, not so open that your brains fall out. - Carl Sagan

[The_Giver]

I might could be persuaded to believe that 100% efficiancy is possible (nope, not really). All this means is there are no losses.
No losses is at least believable.

Greater than 100% efficiency means you are "creating" energy that wasn't there. If you can create energy out of nothing, then there IS nothing you can't do (ie faster-than-light travel, time-travel, etc). Greater than 100% efficiency also means that the entropy of the system has GONE DOWN. This means that the entropy of the universe has GONE DOWN.

This is not possible.

And your immediate reply to this is that "people thought the Earth was flat", "science proved the sun revolved around the Earth". Blah blah. Neither of these views was supported by available observations. Our observations today, lead us to the fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Even the power of the Big Bang couldn't create/destroy energy. The only theory that I've ever heard of that allows entropy to decrease comes about when the universe starts collapsing. And that ain't happened.

Guys, electrohead has brought this up several times before. He is for some reason enamored of this "concept" of overunity.

-O Geoffrey

I just reread this and it comes off as kind of harsh. If you feel it is then I apologize.

[electrohead]

Well gentleman, I didnt expect most to believe my claims without pictures, theories and the like. The fact is thats the fact, I do apologize if people cant except it. Reasearch this area first before jumping the gun, check out a yahoo group called 'adamsmotor' that is where good dialogue is based on peoples experiments. Again the POD is a replication that works as claimed, sorry to offend only intent is to enlighten.

[Mr.RC-CAM]

The inventor of any device that could achieve a mere 100.01% efficiency would not have time to post news about it in an R/C forum. The stampede from the science community (and the huge mass of reporters) would not allow much time for that.

But 200% efficiency, now we're talking! All you have to do is offer scientifically sound data to back up your claim and you will probably be noted as the single most important inventor of the 22nd century. On the other hand, you may be as infamous as Pons and Fleishmann.

I never say never, but in this case I will say that I wish you luck.

[HardLander]

200% efficient? How do you plan to bleed off all the energy you'll create while flying? Do you fly until your battery is fully charged, then land to put the battery on a resistor to discharge it before the next flight?

Hey! I just levitated! Prove it? No, just believe me.

[dr.E]

Sublimation is the process in which a solid becomes a gas.

I do it everytime I have a Burito. Should I be patenting it too!!

[Viper Pilot]

Oh boy, a free lunch!!! ;) ;) I've been told there is no such thing, and I find it in ezone!!!

Not only a free lunch, but twice as much as you can eat!!!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

VP

[DNA]

Hey, I can levitate, but....I can only do it while I'm invisible.

[Doc Data]

Well, I guess if I made a break through discovery that would revolutionize energy sciences as they are today, I too would also think the the EZone is the obvious first place I'd publish.

Makes sense to me! Of course, I was always thought the Disney movie, 'Dumbo' was a documentary!

dd.

[The_Giver]

Alright. I looked up the adamsmotor thing and got to the patent.
(from:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/4871/zeropoint/intro.html
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/4871/zeropoint/patent.html
)
Now, I'm not a scientist nor am I a physicist but any patent that has: "Physicists are becoming more and more aware of the fact that, as with gravitation, so magnetism is a route by which we can gain access to the sea of energy that pervades the vacuum. "
is bunk.

In electroheads defense, he didn't claim to invent it, just duplicate it. In your experiment, I don't think you are understanding exactly what is going on. It may appear to do what you are claiming, but it in fact CAN NOT.

-O Geoffrey

[DNA]

Years ago there was an inventor on the Tonight Show when Johnny
Carson was still host. The inventor didn't claim overunity, just high
efficiency. His device, which he had on the show, would provide a
house with enough electricity for one day just by spinning a large rotating
element by hand once a day. So, each day you would spin this thing
and you would have free electricity for the entire day. This inventor
and others like him were never seen or heard from again. Nor were
their inventions. Even if the device had worked as promised, the gas,
oil, and electric companies would not allow such a device to be
marketed. They would all be out of business. They could not allow
that to happen. Think of all the companies that would be shut down
and workers unemployed if a free energy device were brought to market.
It's not gonna happen until all of our natural energy reserves are gone.

[The_Giver]

Even if the device had worked as promised, the gas,
oil, and electric companies would not allow such a device to be
marketed.


I disagree. For this to happen, every single energy company on the face of this planet would have to conspire to keep it a secret.This wouldn't work. Think about it. The first one to market such a device would make staggering sums of money and put everyone else out of business. Therefore, I think that once such a technology was discovered, it would IMMEDIATELY be marketed.

I have stopped reading this material because I ran into this page:
http://www.geocities.com/theadamsmotor/tesla.html

which says:"...While the universe as a whole has a well documented time forwards entropy increase bias, local entropy with time flow engineering can be slowed, or reversed..."

"time flow engineering"?
Hooey.

-O Geoffrey

But by all means, build a plane with it and prove me wrong.

[Mr.RC-CAM]

Therefore, I think that once such a technology was discovered, it would IMMEDIATELY be marketed. Absolutely. For sure, such a find would have saved Enron's azz.
:"...While the universe as a whole has a well documented time forwards entropy increase bias, local entropy with time flow engineering can be slowed, or reversed..." It amazing what you can come up with when you use a random word generator.


I do like the conspiracy theories. Not because many have any real basis, but rather because they are such fun to imagine. Sadly, most of those "miracle inventions" died off because they were scientifically flawed.

However, the ones that survived are alive and well and are now appearing on late night infommercials. Just gotta love a tornado injected carb mileage booster! I stack three together and catch the overflowing petro in a rusty bucket hanging on the tail pipe. ;)

[Peter W]

hmmm i believe in perpetual motion. i read an article no loads of articles on the net about a british professor called john searl who has acheived 160% efficiency or something using a device called the searl effect generator. basiaclly it utilises magnetic compounds, a bit of neodymium, aluminium, iron, and nylon, the exact composition is not known. anyways, there is a central disc with many smaller rollers on the outside, then another ring disc and more rollers. the rollers spin about their axis and also move around the large discs. the number of rollers goes up by 10 as more discs are added. all of the moving parts do not touch and are supported by magnetic bearings. then there are normal 'C' shaped inducer coils that fit around the outer disc. large amounts of electrons are induced, something like 1,000,000 per cm squared.
now i bet everything i just told you was wrong but search on google for SEG ( write the whole thing out ) and you'll be surprised.
also, vacuum has energy even at absolute zero.....the casimir effect coupled to the heinsberg uncertanty prinicple allows two plates parallel to one another to move toward each other when placed very close to one another. the wavelength of the 'virtual' photons can only fit between the plates and so the plates move toward one another. this effect is due to quantum fluctuations.

the point i'm making is that there's a lot of screwed up physics out there, and like the fellow who started this thread said, don't dismiss everything just cos most people believe it to be wrong.
physics can do a WHOLE lot more, some scientists do not dismiss antigrav or antimatter existing naturally.....

but the question begs to be asked, why did you post on ezone?:confused:

Peter:) (15)

kk i'm crazy but don't ask....:)

[Peter W]

official site,

http://www.sisrc.com/c.htm

just look at the drawings, sweeet!

man i don't know if i can fagged to explain this but the same guy made one of these discs SUSTAIN HOVER with no power input.....
infact, he's made and lost over 30 levitating discs.....
and also found a way to control them and had some control over them....he calculated that in a particular manoevure, he could pull 16 g's. so he put a radioactive source inside the device which breaks at 2g or more.
it did not break beacause space time is different inside the disc!

hmm turns out what i just wrote was a load of coblers, it needs remagnitizing....
oh well, might as well use a magnetic gyro.......
such is life......
a fusion reactor that sucked in water vapour in the air could then split the water by electrolysis into deuterium and tritium, fuse them, get more energy out than went in and take more water in.......
that would be perpetual motion.....
electrons round atoms is perpetual.......

Peter:)

[SheldonYoung]

You cannot cheat entropy any more than you can built a plane without gluing your fingers to it at least once.

Keep an open mind, but be very sceptical.
Consider reading http://phact.org/e/z/freewire.htm

[greg morrison]

Electrohead:

I'll take two of these - do you accept PayPal?

Thanks, Greg

[Richard]

You will defy the laws of thermodynamics.
Richard

[KillerWatt]

where have i heard of this before..btw, any bridges for sale.......kw

[rscamp]

What a bunch of crap.

I don't think I'd believe in anything if it wasn't for my lucky astrology mood watch.

:)

Rob

[JBowling]

I'm fairly certain anybody bright enough to come up with a > 100% efficient device is bright enough to know it can be used for things a lot more useful than model airplanes. In fact, an infinite duaration park flyer would be pretty far down my list. :)

Don't get me wrong, I like flying and all, but come on....

I'm a scientist by training. Prove it to me. I hope you are right, but forgive me for not holding my breath.

Jason

[Gene Bond]

Some expressions currently in use to describe the source of the energy for the SEG are The Space Fabric, Quantum Energy field of Space or Zero Point Energy. This is an unlimited and constant source of energy which can be made to flow when the correctly proportioned masses concerned are stimulated by the correct frequencies creating an 'open system'.
*That's* why I wear the aluminum foil under my hat...

[Viper Pilot]

Didn't I see one of those "Searle" things in the movie "13 Ghosts"?? Remember, the rotating thing on the floor that almost destroyed the whole building!!

Not for me, thanx.

VP

[Gerald]

In my view John Searle is a quack and a fraud. I've talked to this man and heard his lectures on his "discovery" and it's history a few times in person. Everything he claims is purely anecdotal. He has no demonstrable aparatus and no acceptable evidence that he ever did. Each and every one of his talks includes appeals for funding to "re-create" his lost invention or to sell his books which are a collection of incoherent ramblings and number games. The guy is either a deluded loony or a clever con.
Anyone notice that they are still looking for investors after 50 years or so and still have no working model? Why was Searle able to create several flying models using this back in the '40s (he claims), on a tinkerer's budget, but now needs high dollar investors just to reproduce the most basic demonstration of his so-called Searle-effect?

As far as electrohead's POD device, this thing was proven years ago to be a dud. Same with the Adams motor. It's somewhat amusing to see these failures and frauds pop up again every few years with new 'believers'. But it's also a bit sad knowing that so many people repeatedly get misled and conned out of money on these scams.

[Inari]

All of the claimed "perpetual" or >100% efficiency inventions based on magnetism are by nature less than 100% efficient. Magnetism wears off over time thus they need to be re-magnitized over time (read: add energy fron an outside force). Some of these inventors even admit to that.

[mossie69]

Yihaaa, I'm looking forward to this. I'll order when the product is available and proven.

One thing though......Sears says that all the weights (and dimensions?) need to be calculated in high detail.....he also claims some minimum masses, which I believe rules out most of us speed 400 fliers....... The adamsmotor, on the other hand, does not mention any masses or dimensions, although it works on the same principle and source of energy.......Now, which one is right and which is not....? :-)

and finally, one word of advice.....Electrohead, don't study any more physics....you'll only be disappointed.....

[Doc Watson]

Havent laughed so much for years...........


nuff said.

Doc

[kist2001]

Lets remember that physics at the quantum level does some pretty messed up things. Ask Heisenberg about his psy. Is a photon a particle or a wave? etc...

Yet there are basic tenets which our science lives by. If you think you can disprove a biggie....i'm all ears! I more than most love to see giants fall (and truly appreciate the rarity of the occasion).

Just set your solid state regenerator to power itself and a lightbulb. If it can keep the bulb going after you unplug the power source....I want a piece of the action. I'll personally fund the patent for 10% of the return. -Ken

[electrohead]

The responses here were predictable, at the least I've sparked some neurons while at the same time making a few laugh. So for those that laughed ask yourself why your laughing. I could site many advances in science that threatend the status quo and were attacked accordingly, however I will not because it's already public knowledge. This topic and many others not related share the same problem of politics, for those that wish to grant a conspiracy some mystic power should remember its nothing more than 2 or more people in collusion. Nothing mysterious about that is there. So in conclusion, truth will eventually prevail no matter how hard we try to hide it and he who laughs last, well lets hope it's the righteous
Thank you,
always ?

[notoatmeal]

Originally posted by electrohead
The responses here were predictable, at the least I've sparked some neurons while at the same time making a few laugh. So for those that laughed ask yourself why your laughing. I could site many advances in science that threatend the status quo and were attacked accordingly, however I will not because it's already public knowledge. This topic and many others not related share the same problem of politics, for those that wish to grant a conspiracy some mystic power should remember its nothing more than 2 or more people in collusion. Nothing mysterious about that is there. So in conclusion, truth will eventually prevail no matter how hard we try to hide it and he who laughs last, well lets hope it's the righteous
Thank you,
always ?

the only neurons you sparked here were the humour ones.

if you really had challenged the status quo, you would have published your results in a peer-reviewed journal, and reaped world-wide rewards. And a nobel prize in physics!

it has been a long time since you started this thread, WHERE IS THE DATA?

you claimed to have created a device that flies in the face of all scientific theory regarding thermodynamics. you have NO DATA, NO TESTS, NOTHING. (not even a patent on the mechanism!)

sorry sir, the correct word for you is: liar.

fraud would do as well, in a pinch.

[Markz]

I went on this site for the POD:
http://www.geocities.com/theadamsmotor/solidstate.html

Basically, if you look at the schematics, it all comes down to a simple LC voltage booster... the efficiency is higher than 100% when you unload the capacitor, but it goes WAY DOWN (-100%) when you pulse the switch.
If fact, the mean efficiency of this circuit is probably around 50% max, wich is really bad for a dc-dc converter

Marc

[MrBungle]

Yeah, and I have an aircraft that is windpowered, it has a wind turbine that powers the motor that turns the prop that pulls the plane forward that turns the turbine that powers the motor that .......

200%? aaha

[Quacker]

I can't wait to learn how coils are arranged to produce DC.

[Markz]

Electrohead,

Do we have to switch the + and - motor leads, since we rely on "backward current" as the technology says?

I think the guy simply forgot to monitor the AC current at the source, relying only on the dc component wich might look somewhat small. He is not doing "time engineering", he his simply forgetting to look at the time domain altogheter.

By the way, a transistor connected backwards has a name: it's called a diode...

Marc

[Red Baron 47]

Electrohead said he'd built one. I've seen the other stuff on the web.
I still want to see ehead's photos and numbers.