Long EZ conversion

[Vagabond324]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=424614

I had posted this in the Power systems and received some good information now I would like to hear a bit more if possible. I need some help in picking a motor, prop, battery for this plane. I would really like to make it electic instead of Glow. Any ideas as to a good Brushless motor, Prop, esc, battery (LI-PO) combination that would work in this aircraft? Thanks for any and all help in this matter. This is only my 3rd, electric so I'm pretty new at this. I also want to lighten up the landing gear on this airframe and need a source for some sturdy but light CF landing gear. Thanks
Jon


http://cgi.ebay.com/ARF-Long-EZ-46-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Clean, fast design. The canard (front wing) is the elevator. This design is stall resistant.

Specs: Wing Span 57 inches – 1450 mm

Weight – 5 ¾ lbs. – 91 oz approx.

Fuse length – 39 inches

Wing area – 705 sq. in.

Engine suggested - .40 - .46 (2-cycle) .52 (4 cycle)

4 Channel radio – 5 servo’s.

[ray foley]

Plan on this airplane being in the 6+ lb range when electrified.

Therefore, an AXI 412018 with a 5s pack of 4000 mah or so, with a 14-10 APC eprop and a suitable ESC runs at about 650 - 700 watts. :eek: a little more than 100W/lb but whoopie. :D

I prefer Castle Creations, a phx60 would be great. Get the Castle Link thingy too.

Buy the radial mount kit because this cools the motor the best.

Yeah I like AXI motors.

Have fun, Fly high with Serious ePower.

Ray Foley

[Hiflyer]

ray foley

WE are flying this model at Hobby Lobby, Jason Cole built it and is having a ball with it.

The setup that we are using is an AXI2826/12, 4S 4400 PQ "Twenty" Lipo pack, Jeti 40 amp opto controller, APC 12x8 prop. I don't recall the weight right now but you could contact Jason at HL and ask. This is the right power for this model, the performance is excellent, good speed and flys for over 10 minutes. The 41 series AXI's are great, but you just don't need it for this plane.

Mike Hines

[kevin]

mike, when will hobby lobby be offering this.

[d_wheel]

Who sells the arf version of the Long EZ?

Later;

D.W.

[mtnmnstr]

I want one too!!!!!

[David Hogue]

I saw pics of Jason's in the Tulahoma event thread, but I didnt know anyone was selling these on ebay. I like the Pa-12 and Stearman on the website as well, watching this thread with interest.

thanks,
David

[Vagabond324]

Who sells the arf version of the Long EZ?

Later;

D.W.
http://cgi.ebay.com/RichModel-Works-Co-Long-EZ-46-57-Wingspan-NIB_W0QQitemZ6007255444QQcategoryZ19164QQssPageNam eZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There's one seller now on EBay, I paid about $40.00 less from a different seller but he's not offering any at the moment. You could try a search on Richmodel to see their full line-up. This is a real nice model that apears very well built using laser cut parts and some plastic wheel pants and fiberglass cowling & nose-cone. I would love to find a nice lite fiber landing gear for the rear, since losing as much weight back there as possible is beneficial as to how much nose weight has to be added. I like to see some flight video from Tullahoma if anyone has anything available. Thanks for the help. Vagabond324 ;)

[Vagabond324]

Office in the USA
Contact Person: Mr. David Dickson
716 East Main Street, Barnesville, Ohio 43713, USA
Contact Person: Mr. David H. Dickson
Tel: (01) 740 425 3983 Fax: (01) 740 424 3983
Email: usa-richmodel@sbcglobal.net
Website: http://www.avia-richmodel.com

This is where I purchased my Long EZ/ Vagabond324

[Vagabond324]

I saw pics of Jason's in the Tulahoma event thread, but I didnt know anyone was selling these on ebay. I like the Pa-12 and Stearman on the website as well, watching this thread with interest.

thanks,
David

Hi everyone, I talked to Jason this past week about this conversion and this is what he had to say. I thought I should share it with all of you who are interested in this canard airframe.. It really looks very good for the conversion. Vagabond324


Jon,
This conversion was a breeze. I'm using a 2826/12 AXI motor with a 12X8 APC E Prop. I'm running a 4 cell 4400mAh Polyquest battery. It weighs in right at 6 pounds. They give you this huge chunk of lead to put in the nose for the glow version, but with the AXI in the back, it's so much lighter than a glow motor that you do not need to add any weight. I used an 1800mAh flight pack battery and put that in the nose instead. Doing that allowed the battery to be placed right on the CG underneth the canopy. If flys great and has a ton of power. It does great loops and has a very nice axial roll rate. Inverted flight only requires a touch a down elevator. It just looks so cool in the air. Let me know if you have any other questions or need anything else.

I then mentioned to him that this looked like a great kit for Hobby Lobby to carry and what ESC did he used and did he do anything to the airframe to make it a better flyer, this is his answer to those questions

Jon,
I agree and I'm pretty sure we'll be carrying this one. I'm using the Jeti
Plus 40 Amp Opto controller. I forgot the other thing I did was shorten the
nose gear a little bit. It had too high an angle of attack and on landing
you would aproach a stall before touching down. Shortening the nose fixed
that and it lands great now.

So from what I see here and the discription on what a good flyer this is, I thing this is going to be a real winner in my hanger as a Glow to electric conversion. A big thanks to Jason for sharing all this info with us. :cool: Vagabond324

[The-Borg]

Hi, I flew my Long EZ for the first time yesterday and fly's very well (sorry it has a nasty oily motor in it) I was surprised the amount of down needed to get it to fly level Even with the C/G spot on.
Slow flying is a real treat with it no nasty vices.
Stuart.

[Fredrik W]

That is some sweet airplane!! :cool:

Is the nose gear retractable?


// Fredrik Wergeland
Sweden

[JoelRSails]

Any video of the Long EZ anywhere? I don't see any on a search...

[staggerwing]

This ARF is now posted in RCU @ $111 (great price) plus ship thru Nitro Model Planes.There seems to be a LOT of interest per the hits in RCU.

I just ordered thier 40 size P40E for an elec conversion --hope those good looking retracts are decent !
This place certainly has some interesting planes @ affordable $ & I think they will (from my transaction) negotiate .

[topher39]

This ARF is now posted in RCU @ $111 (great price) plus ship thru Nitro Model Planes.There seems to be a LOT of interest per the hits in RCU.

I just ordered thier 40 size P40E for an elec conversion --hope those good looking retracts are decent !
This place certainly has some interesting planes @ affordable $ & I think they will (from my transaction) negotiate .


Staggerwing, can you give us a link where we can buy this for $111?
Do you mean RC universe? What is RCU?

Chris

[staggerwing]

Staggerwing, can you give us a link where we can buy this for $111?
Do you mean RC universe? What is RCU?



Topher39---yes, it is listed in the RC Universe classifieds along w/ several other ARF's by the same dealer---look at thier site---quite a few planes, but quality ???--I'm taking a risk on the P40E w/ rotating retracts for not a huge amount of money.

[topher39]

Thanks Staggerwing, I ordered my LongEZ yesterday, should be a blast. I am thinking . . . that I have 2 smaller brushless outrunners, I could convert this to both a push/pull by mounting an additional outrunner in the front . . . just an idea. My only worry would be what kind of disturbance would the prop wash cause on the conard up front. Otherwise I will go with the Axi 2026 as the folks at Hobby Lobby did. :D

[fas350z]

I ordered 2 of these from Nitro Planes and they are on their way. Old hand at gas power but fairly new to electrics. What would be a good Hacker motor to push this thing up to 80 or so miles an hour? Plan on going with Lipos and a nice 3 bladed prop in the back. I would like to see some pics of peoples conversions. This is one sweet plane :D

[topher39]

I'm not up on Hacker motors, I have had such great performance from Axi motors I will stick with what I know. I fly a Hanger 9 P-51 on a 4130 Axi, a Great Planes Stuka with a 4130 axi, and a few Gliders with them.
Good luck with your conversion! I am sure someone will pipe in with a Hacker choice.

Chris

[staggerwing]

From watching full scale Long Ez at airports in our area, they are NOT a slow airplane, w/ liftoff, cruise, & landing speeds well above that of other expiremental aircraft of thier size & power, so I would expect these models to perform similiarly . I believe they cruise w/ a mid range power configuration (Lycoming 0-320) @ 140 or therabouts w/ full cruise capability of 175 knots & require a decent runway length for a short final speed @ 80 knots . If you've not seen the real thing, when you do---you'll be impressed w/ its speed.

[TwoWalks]

Raiden-Tech sells long-ez's on ebay ... $119.00

http://www.raidentech.com/voloeznigass.html

How far up the skill ladder would a person need to be to have the skill to fly this beauty? :rolleyes:

[B717 Furloughee]

I could convert this to both a push/pull by mounting an additional outrunner in the front . . . just an idea. :D
I remember the full scale Long EZ's coming out with a twin tandem engine (push/pull) version. It may have been a stretched 4 seater; don't remember. But should be doable as a model. :)

Just found it on the web. Called a "Defiant".http://www.hitecindustries.com/def2.jpg

[topher39]

I really appreciate the feedback on the Defiant - Makes me think it is a real option for me, especially since I have all the gear to do it too! Thanks a bunch! I will have to find out more about it. Will keep you all posted.

Chris

[The-Borg]

I dont have any Vid of my Long ez just a couple of Photos

(Touch and go)
http://static.rcgroups.com/gallery/data/500/79339long-ez-1-med.jpg

http://static.rcgroups.com/gallery/data/500/79339long-ez-2-med.jpg

Stuart.

[gouda]

Use care buying from Nitro planes. Their shipping charges are high and infact may make the cost higher than Raidentechs overall cost. Also watch their web site, they'll have specials with free shipping etc. but they raise the price of the planes so they are higher than the ones on RCU with$30 shipping. Buyer beware. Everything they have is the same as at raidentech.

You can go dircetly to raidentech.com, you don't have to go through Ebay.

I just ordered two planes, the EZ and a Chipmunk and the total shipping was only 23.

[staggerwing]

Interesting Gouda---thks---I ordered Nitro Planes P40E from thier RCU add & rec'd Fedex ship conformation it will be shipping from Raiden Technology so it appears they are the same outfit.
A rip ship fee certainly is not new as occasionally you will see it attached to individual sales.

Just looked at the Raiden site ---Gouda---if you consider those prices w/ your ship fee verses RCU Nitro Plane costs w/ ship, I think they are about the same providing Nitro P will allow a ship break on multiple orders.
Wish I knew they had a 60 size P40 (even though it's out of stock) ---I may not have ordered the 40 size.
Some other interesting items are the 4M sailplane @ $195 which seems to be the design thats been on Ebay for awhile & has some lengthy threads here in RCG & the out of stock $40 ESC that gives no specs as to capacity ?

Unless this stuff is very poor quality, I think these are best retail bangs for the buck I've seen.

[B717 Furloughee]

They both have good prices compared with others who sell the Long EZ.

Does anyone know if they also sell the Quickie-40? I didn't see it and everywhere else costs $185.

The borg,
Nice pics of your Long EZ. Does it slow down well for landings?

[gouda]

What is really interesting - on the 60 sized warhawk is to compare it to the Hanger 9 plane, I am 99% sure they are the same model. They even state they are both modelled on the same full scale aircraft. All dimensions are identical.

I have read one post about one of their trainers that whoever wrote it was not thrilled with it, but it was only like $38 for a 40 sized plane. Can't expect to much.

I have their Pitts and it is one of the nicest planes I have ever bought. The instructions are complete trash, but that's where the saving come in I suspect. Where as with the H9 P40, I'm sure they develop their own manuals etc.

B717, they don't list the quickie - yet anyway.

look at the last page of the Raidentech web site. It appears anyone can set up a web site to sell the planes and make a few bucks.

[The-Borg]

Yes it dose slow down, but if to slow it drops the nose very quickly and you can get in to trouble on landings. I'd recommend that you keep the speed up on landing at first until to get the feeling of it.

Stuart

[d_wheel]

"liftoff, cruise, & landing speeds well above that of other expiremental aircraft of thier size & power"

I have a few hours in a full size Long-EZ and, although they cruise quite a bit faster than most equally powered aicraft (around 175 knots at 75% power), the landing and takeoff speeds are not all that much higher. We are at 1800 feet, and I usually rotate at 60 knots. Best climb speed is 70 knots. On landing, 90 knots is maintained on downwind, the speed brake is deployed and slow to 80 during base and final, then 70 during short final. On a good day, I can round out for touchdown and land on the mains at about 60. You don't flare to a stall landing as in a conventional aircraft but fly it down to a nose high touchdown. It doesn't want to slow down very quickly so the use of the speed brake and good throttle management are essential for good landings. I don't know if the model has a speed brake, or how effective it might be, but it shouldn't be to difficult to add.

Later;

D.W.

[B717 Furloughee]

Great stuff d-wheel. Thanks for the profile. Now I really want one of these canards. :)

[d_wheel]

Mine arrived today. Being a Long-EZ fan, I have wanted one for quite a while and am very pleased with the quality, which is good to very good. A little better than the last 2 Great Planes ARF's I built. The only problem is a broken cockpit cover. It is made of very light plastic and was shattered because of poor packing. A part like this should receive a little extra TLC to insure against shipping damage. I probably wouldn't have used it anyway, but will try to get a replacement, just to check customer service ;o) .. As I am currently working on another project this one may have to wait for a while, but may get moved up on the priority list if good flight reports keep coming in from other builders.

Later;

D.W.

[gouda]

Mine shipped yesterday, so we'll see how it shows up in a few days...The first plane I got from them was of very good quality, but the instructions were awful. Is that the case here as well? I got a GP plane about a month ago, and it had shipping damage, so I think all these companies need to hire a packaging Engineer. GP is replacing the part, but I don't know when they get spares in.

[Fredrik W]

Guys, I asked this two weeks ago but no one answered: Is the nose gear retractable??

// Fredrik Wergeland
Sweden

[gouda]

Fredrik, there is nothing mentioned in the web site info on the plane, so I would assume it is not retractable. Should be easy to add however. No motor to work around or anything like that. Some one who has theirs already should be able to confirm.

[vector-g]

Guys, I asked this two weeks ago but no one answered: Is the nose gear retractable??

// Fredrik Wergeland
Sweden

Fredrik, I just bought 3 Long EZs and they just arrived today. Excellent quality for the price. The answer to your question "Is the nose gear retractable??"
No, it is not retractable. Probably because it is set up as steerable nose gear and there is also too much getting in the way in the interior front part of the fuse: canard,servos...
If you are crafty enough you might be able to rig something up.
Any way this aircraft still looks great in the air even with the gear down.

VECTOR-G

[d_wheel]

Gouda, yes the instructions leave much to be desired!

Later;

D.W.

[staggerwing]

D-WHEEL,
Thks for the stick time info. A few yrs back I flew my Hiperlight to a nearby fly in where (2) Long Ez flew in & later upon departure did a close formation high speed pass over the runway--quite impressive !!
The airspeed numbers I listed came from a Long Ez pilot manual I found on the net & didn't mention a speed brake so maybe it was an early manual---I knew they were fast & was curious what the real speeds were.
I've been trying to avoid temptation w/ this model as I have way too many projects now, but I know better. Fusco Aircraft used to offer the Long EZ & Quickie full build models of which the latter I had, & sold as it just wouldn't fly off grass. I believe Fuscos Long Ez was very near if not exactly the same size as Raiden Techs.

Bob

[Fredrik W]

Big thanks to gouda and vector-g for the information :)

// Fredrik Wergeland
Sweden

[d_wheel]

staggerwing, I have practiced landings without the speed break (emergency training) and the speeds are about the same. However, you have to stretch all of the legs out quite a bit as the aircraft seems like it doesn't want to descend without the additional drag. Takes it a loooong time to slow down and the descent profile is quite flat. Drop the nose just a bit and you have picked up an additional 20 knots in the blink of an eye.

Later;

D.W.

[topher39]

Well, my LongEZ came last night via Fedex. Overall I am very pleased with what I see, covering looks good as does the fiberglass parts and canopy. For the $ it is a real winner no doubt. No on to electric conversion, can't make up my mind as to make it a push and pull with two motors just because, or stick with one push using an AXI 2826 as recommended. Any thoughts?

I have a great planes combat corsair I am finishing with electric, adding gear, rudder and tailwheel, 1/2 way finished, hope to finish by Sat. flying. I went with an Axi 2820.

Merry Xmas - may your stocking be filled with a LongEZ too!

[gouda]

I'm planning a 2826 for mine when it arrives, hopefully that will work out. May run it through Motocalc once for the heck of it. I'll let you know what that shows.

[topher39]

I trust the thought and experience the guy from HobbyLobby had to say with that 2826 Axi - In fact I just pulled the trigger and ordered the 2826/10 about 10 min. ago. I went with the 10 instead of 12 to give just a little more punch - you can always throttle down a tad and "cruise"

Can't wait! I will have everything ready for motor arrival end of next week.

Chris

[B717 Furloughee]

I've been noticing that the pics on Raidentech.com do not always reflect the actual model they are selling. The Long EZ decals are different and I don't think there is a "cockpit" included with the ARF. Those who have it please confirm or deny.

Also, I was looking at their C-182 (3 different ones) and can't figure out which is which. Same goes for their P-40 Warhawk. Great prices but I'd hate to buy "sight unseen".

[gouda]

topher..You are correct. I forgot about the info on the first page. It's good enough for me.

[topher39]

The trim on my LongEZ does not match the photos on the 1st page of this thread - it is white with blue trim, and the fuse has a stripe of red along with the blue too. Similar, but not as nice. Simpler would be the word. Now I got mine from the link on this forum, not Raidentech. It does not have a plate that looks like two seat tops that mimic an interior cockpit, but no guys for instrument panels.

A friend bought the Hellcat from Raidentech and he got exactly what they show, but even Raidentech notes that trim/color may vary on some of the images they show.

I am going the way of "Secret Weapons . . . of the Japanese" I am taking off the stripes and painting mine line a WWII Japanese Zero with green on top, the meatbals and a gray underbelly while I also will trim out the canopy with more framework. I have seen some of the odd aircraft they and the Germans had on the drawing board, and the Long EZ would make a great looking fighter . . . from another 1940's dimension kind of way.

[staggerwing]

Burt will love it

[fighterwon]

merry xmas everyone. just ordered an ez-long,am putting an os46 ducted fan with a pipe,has anyone out there done this.it appears from the photos that there may be room for a pipe. has anyone put a performane motor in it and is it fast. thanks rob

[vector-g]

Guys, checkout the experimental full scale rocket propelled Long EZ videos. Hmmmmmm. Maybe, I should turn mine into EDF. You guys think I can get it to fly with a large EDF unit? The dry weight of the Long EZ ARF is just under 4 pounds. Here is the link to the videos.

http://www.xcor.com/video-ezrocket.html

[Fredrik W]

Did any one get a tracking number when you ordered from Raidentech? I have received a e-mail that "confirms the receipt of your recent order from RaidenTech.com". I have e-mailed them and asked about my order but no answer!

// Fredrik Wergeland
Sweden

[staggerwing]

I ordered from Nitroplanes & rec'd a Fedex track # from Raidentech---I have rec'd the plane--a nice P40E but w/o retracts (not as advertised at time of order) but they are making an effort to send some to me ---it appears ??
On another subject/question, I tried calling Raidentechs cust support ph # listed on thier site---constant busy signal--tried e-mail--no response ??
Not sure about integrity of this seller ?

[gouda]

I have bought 3 planes from Raidentech, not Nitroplanes in the past 30 or so days. All were received in good condition and were as advertised and were very good values. An EP Pitts, a Long EZ and a CMP Chipmunk. The only issues I would say for people to be aware of is that some contain instructions that leave a lot to be desired. However, I should add that only one of the planes I bought were affected like that that - the Pitts. The other two had average or better instuctions. I can't comment about Nitroplanes customer service, but I have not had any issues with Raidentech. All I can add is that be sure of what you are ordering. If what you ordered stated it had retracts, then you have a issue. If it didn't state that, it sounds like you got what was described. Also, I ordered direct from Raidentech, not through a 3rd party like Nitro planes. I found they charged higher shipping than Raidentech directly. They (Nitroplanes) would be responsible for what was shipped not Raidentech I believe.
I'm planing or ordering another sometime this week. So, I'll let you know what's up.

[Fredrik W]

Never mind. I got a letter from the Swedish Customs Office today saying that they have a box from Raidentech waiting for me. :D

I just have to send them a receipt so they can sort out what VAT that I must pay.


// Fredrik Wergeland

[topher39]

Well I did it - took the LongEZ out of the box and have since painted it and put markings of a WWII Japanese Secret weapon - followed the Green Zero scheme over all. I picked up Krylon dark green for plastics - very close to Japanese WWII color used on aircraft (a lucky break) Works very well on the covering. I went over the covering with an iron and heat gun first to get super tight, found it was covered very well and hardly a loose seem or bubble to be found. I must say from what I can see this is a very well built ARF - well covered too. For the money I am amazed really. The original trim is plain Jane but WOW does it look cool in fighter scheme. Thinking of putting some guns in the nose cone like a P-38 would have. I am going to put more canopy panes / supports to better mimic a WWII canopy similar to a Zero.
I will have to post some photos when complete. I have my Axi 2826 ready to go in. Hope to have the plane together by the end of the weekend - I am taking my time but it is such an easy build :D

[JoeR]

I just picked up a similar model off e-bay. This is a dedicated electric and is called a voyager. Even comes with a S480 motor and prop. I can't imagine it would have enough power to fly it though.

It does not have any fiberglass on it. The nose is built up, no wheel pants. Anyone else have one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-RC-Radio-Control-4-CH-Voyager-Airplane-Plane_W0QQitemZ6025853586QQcategoryZ2563QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[gouda]

Joe and topher, Photos or more info?

[JoeR]

I found this thread on the "Voyager" version that I am refering to:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439668

The specs:

length- 38"
span- 55"
wing area- 456
wieght- 34.5 oz
motor- 480

[vector-g]

Has anybody mounted there motor/mount with any left or right or down or up thrust angles? Or is every body just mounting it right down the center of the firewall? Not really quite sure because of it being a pusher type aircraft.

[naxx_factor]

I just picked up a similar model off e-bay. This is a dedicated electric and is called a voyager. Even comes with a S480 motor and prop. I can't imagine it would have enough power to fly it though.

It does not have any fiberglass on it. The nose is built up, no wheel pants. Anyone else have one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-RC-Radio-Control-4-CH-Voyager-Airplane-Plane_W0QQitemZ6025853586QQcategoryZ2563QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Greetings JoeR & Long-EZ fans (and a note of Thanks to Burt and Dick- true Aviation Pioneers) Saw this while looking for something completely different....isn't that always the case!

Enough smoozing already... I picked up 2 Voyagers on e-Bay over a year ago for an average Price of $85 including shipping charges. This is a Chinese made, all wood, light weight, sheeted wings. No shipping damage and not a wrinkle in the covering. Includes a preinstalled speed 480 and can be flown on a 2 channel radio or above. The wings need to be epoxied to the fuse perfectly from LE to TE and that seems to be the only major differences in the RaidenTech's version: and of course weight with the Voyager @980g (2.16lbs) I feel this is dry weight (no motor/ batts/ esc) I'll confirm this upon completion.

I have a Permax BL-480 6D that I'll try first (Li-Po tbd), and I think I have a suitable Axi...if the numbers add up in my calculation software. And as mentioned a few posts back ,not a word about CG (insructions were not too Bad.) Being such a different design I don't know if I should balance upside-down or right side-up! I've mounted the servos and motor and will
epoxy wings today.(the Vert stabs and canard are removeable but it still may not fit in my car...Doh!

My interest in the Long EZ was reignited on Jan 1 at our First Annual Hangover Fly-in in Charlotte,NC when one of my Flying Buddies ( FYI-the Original LugNut of Nascar Racing fame...) brought out his un-completed RaidenTech version, a Xmas gift from his wife...she looks so graceful sitting on the ground (the plane guys...sheesh)..I had to finish mine...plus my flying skills have improved.( the main reason she sat in the closet for over a year)

My apologies for the lengthy and possible inappropriate post to this forum, it seemed more reasonable to post here...plus I'm sure the whole pot of coffee didn't help either....thx to all for their valuable input in this forum and the entire RCG site.

Happy Flying,

dalton

[gouda]

I don't see any problem Dalton. It may not the the same plane as the Raidentech version, but it interesting never the less. All in the (EZ) family so to speak

[naxx_factor]

Here's an update on my Voyager Long-EZ ARF build...

CORRECTIONS: The wings are only partially sheeted (LE and tips ), the the nose wheel is fixed and only the canard is removable, the battery compartment has pre-fastened hook and loop material to secure the battery ( a nice touch). The build is very quick.

Install the nose gear, the rear wheel bracket, mount 3 servos and glue on the wings, w/ vert stabs and add electronics.

After reviewing some motor and battery combos I'm not sure if the Multiplex 480 6D will do the trick with a 3cell Lipo and a 5-7" inch range prop ( should produce about 37ozs of thrust.) I have a few AXI's (a 2814/10 ,2212/14, 2212/16, 2208/34 and a 4120/14) still in the box, a geared Multiplex 480 3G and 4G...AUW TBD but about 2.2-2.5 lbs. Is anybody flying any model of about the same weight with these motors?

Does anyone feel that the direct Mulitplex will do the trick....I've always tried to stick to the old 1:1 rule (thrust to weight) and with this combo I come out a little shy of 40 ounces..It seems to me that 225-250 Watts to prop would like this bird sing!

Ideas? Comments?

All input appreciated.

dalton

[topher39]

I think this is a great forum and thread, but I would hate to have people confused about what plane we are talking about. The last post is for an electric Voyager with fixed gear and built as an electric. The Post was started for the E- conversion of a glow Long EZ - a totally different model. It is starting to confuse me, and I have the glow version converted to e-power, I can only imagine that New Folks just jumping in could get very confused as we talk of CG, power requirments etc.

I think the voyager e-power should be in e-power general discussion.

[Fredrik W]

http://www.svensktmodellflyg.se/images/smileys/73.gif Enough thread hijacking!

// Fredrik Wergeland
Sweden

[Buffaloman 16]

I have an AXI 4120-18, and Tanic 4300, 2,3,4,& 5 cell packs, battery is no problem. What does anyone think? is this to big, I can always fly throttle? And what is the shipping cost (comparing) of the 2 hobby supplyers on this link? Thanks all, Buffaloman aka Frank :confused: :confused:

[topher39]

See this from an early post to this spread (page 1) also see a few posts later about this set up:

WE are flying this model at Hobby Lobby, Jason Cole built it and is having a ball with it.

The setup that we are using is an AXI2826/12, 4S 4400 PQ "Twenty" Lipo pack, Jeti 40 amp opto controller, APC 12x8 prop. I don't recall the weight right now but you could contact Jason at HL and ask. This is the right power for this model, the performance is excellent, good speed and flys for over 10 minutes. The 41 series AXI's are great, but you just don't need it for this plane.

Mike Hines

[Buffaloman 16]

Hi Mike thanks for the in put, I was a little concerned that it was on the large side for the EZ, back to thew drawing board, Buffaloman :confused: :(

[Vagabond324]

See this from an early post to this spread (page 1) also see a few posts later about this set up:

WE are flying this model at Hobby Lobby, Jason Cole built it and is having a ball with it.

The setup that we are using is an AXI2826/12, 4S 4400 PQ "Twenty" Lipo pack, Jeti 40 amp opto controller, APC 12x8 prop. I don't recall the weight right now but you could contact Jason at HL and ask. This is the right power for this model, the performance is excellent, good speed and flys for over 10 minutes. The 41 series AXI's are great, but you just don't need it for this plane.

Mike Hines

Thanks Mike for bringing this thread back on track, many people are starting to confuse the original Long EZ glow with the electric one that is available. The Glow EZ from Richmodels is a bigger and heavier airframe, see my first post. Thanks again. Vagabond324 :cool:

[B717 Furloughee]

Remember guys, this glow-to-electric Long EZ only needs scale like power. A 2826 is a .40 size replacement. On a 5lbs airplane, the 2826 will be great but will not provide 3D-like power. We don't need to over power all our models. ;)

[Buffaloman 16]

I hope this isnt going to upset anyoun, but Furloughee, you are right, the thing is I need some input to the AXI 4120-18. I am going to put it in a Aero-Works Edge 540-T 5,5 to 6 lbs wing area 693 sq in. I know this is a little off the subject, but I sure did like the Long EZ fuler, I am out of here Thanks from Buffaloman aka Frank :p ;) ;)

[Flatspin]

How are you guys mounting your canopy? I was thinking of a plywood plate instead of the plastic cockpit that would be the base of the canopy..then it would be easy removal for excess to the batterys...
was also thinking of using the ply plate under the nosecone to mount the elevator servo, on top, and the nose wheel servo on the bottom. then i could use the servo tray for my flite pack tray...would probably have to cut a notch in the leading edge of the horizontal stab for the pushrod but dont think it would make it too weak..its pretty strong and not much wingloading on it anyhow...also what about cooling air through the fuse for the batterys and also back to the motor since its way back there out of the airstream.

Some pics of your setups would be greatly apreciated!!

[Flyboone]

How are you guys mounting your canopy? I was thinking of a plywood plate instead of the plastic cockpit that would be the base of the canopy..then it would be easy removal for excess to the batterys...
was also thinking of using the ply plate under the nosecone to mount the elevator servo, on top, and the nose wheel servo on the bottom. then i could use the servo tray for my flite pack tray...would probably have to cut a notch in the leading edge of the horizontal stab for the pushrod but dont think it would make it too weak..its pretty strong and not much wingloading on it anyhow...also what about cooling air through the fuse for the batterys and also back to the motor since its way back there out of the airstream.

Some pics of your setups would be greatly apreciated!!

Making the canopy removeable is a must for electric conversions of this plane. I glued in two carbon fiber rods in the inside front of the canopy. They key-in into two holes in the fuse. I used our HLRE001 Hatch Latch and glued it to the fuse. I then built up a small wall in the canopy with a hole for the latch part to go into. It works great and allows super easy access to get inside and change batteries. This thread is making me want to go out and fly it agian, but it's raining right now :(

Jason Cole
Hobby Lobby
Advertising and PR Director

[Flatspin]

Thanks Jason...its raining here in MI also only it's turning to snow tonite..about 2" is all...how about cooling? maybe I missed this somewhere in previous posts so if I did don't bother repeating yourself. ha
What do you think about a Phazor 45/3? I also have the blue anodized clamshell mount with cooling fins that I thought would be a real plus with the motor way back there. But I could order a 2826 AXI if the performance would be that much better.


Ron

[Vagabond324]

Making the canopy removeable is a must for electric conversions of this plane. I glued in two carbon fiber rods in the inside front of the canopy. They key-in into two holes in the fuse. I used our HLRE001 Hatch Latch and glued it to the fuse. I then built up a small wall in the canopy with a hole for the latch part to go into. It works great and allows super easy access to get inside and change batteries. This thread is making me want to go out and fly it agian, but it's raining right now :(

Jason Cole
Hobby Lobby
Advertising and PR Director

Hello Jason
Thanks so much for sharing this info with us here in this thread. I know I for one would really like to see any photo's of your conversion that you might have available to share with us. My Long EZ is on the bench right now awaiting it's motor (ordered) and mount which I still have not made a decision on yet until I get the motor. I was also wondering what kind of flight time did you get from the 4s 4400 batteries you used and what charger works well with these batteries? I will have to upgrade my charger also to do this big a battery. Again thanks for all the help you have provided us with already, I do hope you guys decide to carry this plane as it seems to be a winner. Best regards, Jon

BTW, do you have any video you could post for our enjoyment of your flight of this plane? :D

[Flyboone]

Thanks Jason...its raining here in MI also only it's turning to snow tonite..about 2" is all...how about cooling? maybe I missed this somewhere in previous posts so if I did don't bother repeating yourself. ha
What do you think about a Phazor 45/3? I also have the blue anodized clamshell mount with cooling fins that I thought would be a real plus with the motor way back there. But I could order a 2826 AXI if the performance would be that much better.


Ron

Ron,
I know I should, but I do not have any cooling mods in place. The good news is that I have flown mine many times and it doesn't seem to be problem. The batteries, ESC, and motor do get warm, but not enough for me to worry about. It just works. I'm not sure what a Phasor would do on there. I personally love the AXI OUTRUNNERS for their torque and effieciency.

Jason Cole

[Flyboone]

Hello Jason
Thanks so much for sharing this info with us here in this thread. I know I for one would really like to see any photo's of your conversion that you might have available to share with us. My Long EZ is on the bench right now awaiting it's motor (ordered) and mount which I still have not made a decision on yet until I get the motor. I was also wondering what kind of flight time did you get from the 4s 4400 batteries you used and what charger works well with these batteries? I will have to upgrade my charger also to do this big a battery. Again thanks for all the help you have provided us with already, I do hope you guys decide to carry this plane as it seems to be a winner. Best regards, Jon

BTW, do you have any video you could post for our enjoyment of your flight of this plane? :D


Jon,
The next few months are filled with trade shows and flying events. I've been real busy planning promotions and getting ready for these shows. I'll try to get some pictures taken soon of my conversion. It is rather simple though. You can take a look at our Taxi Cup detail photos here http://www.hobby-lobby.com/details_taxicup.htm My motor is mounted almost exactly the same way. I usually fly for 10-12 minutes with this one and still have some reserve left. I'd guess you could fly 15-20 but probably have the low voltage cut-off in flight. I fly mine at full throttle for most of the flight. There are many great chargers on the market right now. My favorite is the Astroflight 109 lithium charger. It will do just about any lithium battery you can get a hold of. We should all get together at SEFF or another one of these big electric events and fly our Long EZ's together. Imagine 6 or more of these flying at the same time. How fun would that be?

Jason Cole

[Flatspin]

Yes Jason it would be cool to see about 6 long ez's at SEFF. I went last year for the first time...14hr drive for me but had a good time. I'll bring mine if it's still flying by then. I just ordered a AXI from HL last nite due to the 25.00 off sale that I couldn't resist. lol I'll save the Phazor for my XL3200 sailplane where it presently is. Lets keep this thread going!!

Ron

[lrrambo]

I see most all have the electric power plant in mind, but has anyone tried adding rudders? Should be helpful in cooping with a crosswind landing. Currently I am adding the rudders to my Long EZ. Stripped off the lower covering from the wings and at the tips added 2 E-flight S75 sub micro servos on removable panels. BTW, excellent factory construction. I took a piece of preshaped aerilon strip, cut to size and lightened it (drilled out 3 holes. To help these old eyes with top and bottom recognization I recovered the wings and under side of the canard with red monokote and am duplicating the pin striping scheme in white. Thinking (just) about adding a nose gear retract. Still, I don’t like the added weight of a retract. Any ideas? Comments? :cool:
Thanks

[Vagabond324]

I see most all have the electric power plant in mind, but has anyone tried adding rudders? Should be helpful in cooping with a crosswind landing. Currently I am adding the rudders to my Long EZ. Stripped off the lower covering from the wings and at the tips added 2 E-flight S75 sub micro servos on removable panels. BTW, excellent factory construction. I took a piece of preshaped aerilon strip, cut to size and lightened it (drilled out 3 holes. To help these old eyes with top and bottom recognization I recovered the wings and under side of the canard with red monokote and am duplicating the pin striping scheme in white. Thinking (just) about adding a nose gear retract. Still, I don’t like the added weight of a retract. Any ideas? Comments? :cool:
Thanks
Irrambo, I for one would like to see some pictures of your work in progress of putting the rudders in place, sounds like pretty good idea if one faces a lot of cross winds on their local field. I myself always like to use rudder once I'm in ground efect to keep from stalling a wing or getting out of line with the runway. I like to slip my planes in when the cross winds are blowing and a rudder is the only way I know that you can do so. Looking forward to seeing your improvements including you test flights :cool: . Thanks again, Jon :D

[topher39]

Well, I finished my Long EZ, flew the heck out of it all AM and crashed it at the end of my day. I ran out of e-power (first time I did that), a guy was on the field carrying off his large biplane and I did an extra circle to wait with power off. The plane tip stalled, Yes it's true - and I recovered but when I did I was flying in the wrong direction. I leveled it out and glided down below a small berm/hill and it met with the only large boulder in the area ( I live in Northern AZ) It wiped out the nose gear, fuselage and the front canard.

I need a new fuse, nose and canard and the ARFS are totally out of stock everywhere. I noticed some of you have purchased more than One - would someone be willing to sell me their extra while stock is replenished?

See the photo of my plane attached.

Full flight report in the near future - I believe a cg change is in order as the canard needs way too much down to fly level and rotate.

[Flatspin]

Wow Topher, I really feel for ya on that one...can tell you sure put some time in building it...looks great...take a break from it and then go back and take a long look at it...you mite be suprised at what you can piece back together

I just finished setting mine up tonite and its ready for a maiden flight...hope the weather gives me a break here in Michigan...I dont want to wait till spring. I put my ele servo on the tray under the nose cone and the steering servo under the tray..balance with a 3s 3200 Kokem straped to the original servo tray...have a Axi 2826/08 and a Jeti advance plus 45amp esc..pulls 53amps static with a 12x8apc..hope the esc is all right if I dont hammer the wide open throttle too long.. 8*)

Ron

[JoeR]

Flatspin (Ron)- becareful on exceeding your ESC specs. The ESC still sees the max amps the system will pull at less then full throttle. It just switches off more at lower throttle levels. I have even been reading that static measurements may not be the the max draw as the prop is stalled. Once in the air the system can draw more.

Where in Michigan? I am near Grand Rapids.

[Fredrik W]

The ESC still sees the max amps the system will pull at less then full throttle. It just switches off more at lower throttle levels.
Joe, you have mixed up a few things here. The ESC will see max VOLTAGE even on partial trottle. Max amps is only a risk at full trottle.

I have even been reading that static measurements may not be the the max draw as the prop is stalled. Once in the air the system can draw more.
Correct, but only on square props; 12x12", 14x14" etc. A 12x8" will hold its ampere even at speed, and a 12x6" will unload at speed.

Flatspin, you are on the edge with 53 A on a 45 A ESC. Make shure the ESC gets cooling air and don´t feed your radio via the ESC´s BEC!


// Fredrik Wergeland
Sweden

[topher39]

Flatspin - too bad you have a 2826/08 - that motor pulls a lot of amps and is overkill for this plane (at least in my opinion) the 2820/10 or 12 would have been a better choice as you would pull less amps. Remember at that high an amp draw the motor is not near as effecient - 30 max is ideal. Prop it down a bit, this plane flys god at 1/2 to 3/4 power - infact I noticed that the speed of the plane was not much faster from 1/2 to full power, maybe more torque but not speed - I need to play with props. I think the with the elevator set with so much down, the plane is experiencing a lot of drag - like flaps would cause. When I shifted the weight back and I could lesson the down trim, I saw an increase in speed for sure. I was running a 12x8 prop.

In short 53 amps is way too much of a draw and not good for duration, controller or battery - Good luck on your flight, I look forward to your full report. Meanwhile I will be looking for another replacement EZ.

[staggerwing]

Topher---Truthfully, when you earlier described how you were going to detail the plane I was not impressed--but wow!, it looks (looked) great ! & you are correct, the Japanese designed a bunch of WWII planes that never gained any visibility---maybe one just like this.
My condolences on its demise & congrats on your admirable creative detailing.

[topher39]

Thanks Staggerwing, yeah it did come out pretty well, looked awsome at most angles and not like a long ez at all. The canopy with the extra rails changes the modern look. I had a give me the photo as I forgot to take my camera that AM and did not expect to toast the plane. What's nice is the wings, the rear cowl, the canopy is just fine, even the rear gear. If I could get my hands on another kit I would be back in the air after a day of painting and installing the fuselage gear. It will fly again.

The Japanese had a plane called something like Shindin or something like that, it was very similar pusher design if I remember, will have to find an illustration to post.

Krylon has a green that is perfect for the traditional WWII green used by the Japanese. I painted the underside with Gull Gray model masters and it has a warm gray tone. I have "meatballs" under the wings too.

Again thanks for your kind words!

[staggerwing]

This is off topic---but, Prior to retirement, I was the mech eng for a Sanyo (now Hitachi) chipshooter we purchased from them to compliment our surface mount line of products & made many trips to Ohta city attending meetings in Sanyo buildings ----the same ones w/ overhead cranes still in tact used to manufacture the Zeros & nearby were portions of the original runways still in tact. Also, not at Sanyo,I saw a huge display under glass of miniature models comprising all of the WWII Japanese aircraft ever designed & I think there was a canard among them.

[k_sonn]

I just purchased one and it should be here next week. I am planning on using a Mega 22/45/3E as a direct drive setup with an APC 11x7E and a 4S4P Pro Lite pack. Any thoughts on this setup? Anyone have any construction photos?

Thanks,
Kirk

[Flatspin]

Thanks for the advice guys...I guess when I saw the word hotliner in the add at HL for the AXI, I said, yeah, I want it to go fast...not thinking about duration so much. I have a castle 80 or a Hyperion 80 esc I could put inplace of the Jeti 45 and I will try a 11x7 apc and see what that draws. I could take the motor out and switch with my Cermark Breeze, I have the 600bl with plantitary GB but I dont think a 14" prop will leave much ground clearance.
As far as cooling air goes, there is not much you can do except maybe some air scoops on the side of the fuse to get into the esc area...I did dremel out the cowl cheeks to get airflow over the m otor.

Joe..I'm between Milford and South Lyon...not to far...Have a cabin on the Thunder bay river in Atlanta. I'll be going to the Owosso swap meet on the 5th and the flint swap meet on the 19th.

[mlh1961]

You guys might try Raidentech.com for the long ez. I think they are about $100.00

[Flyboone]

Hey guys,
Here are some of the pics of my conversion as promised.

Jason

[MayDay]

Great pics Jason! Love to see a picture of the canopy latch setup. What battery pack are you using? I was under the impression the batteries would have to placed as far forward a possible to get it to balance. Thanks!

Planning on having mine at SEFF too!

[Flyboone]

Great pics Jason! Love to see a picture of the canopy latch setup. What battery pack are you using? I was under the impression the batteries would have to placed as far forward a possible to get it to balance. Thanks!

Planning on having mine at SEFF too!

Give me another few days and I'll get a canopy mod shot. I am using a PolyQuest Twenty 4 cell 3700mAh and PolyQuest HiPo 4400mAh lithium packs. I worked it out so that I could use a large receiver battery. I've got the 1800mAh Hitec receiver battery setting on the nose tray. That allowed the lithium flight batteries to be placed right on the CG. We NEED to get together and fly them at SEFF!!!

Jason

[gouda]

Jason, are you using a separate rx battery? That's what I read, but want to be sure. A 1800 ma battery is huge isn't it? Or is that what was needed to balance? I guess as I read it again, that's exactly what you have done. I thought I was was one the few that used a separate rx battery on planes in the 25 on up size. Just seems logical and safer.

Comments?

[Flyboone]

Jason, are you using a separate rx battery? That's what I read, but want to be sure. A 1800 ma battery is huge isn't it? Or is that what was needed to balance? I guess as I read it again, that's exactly what you have done. I thought I was was one the few that used a separate rx battery on planes in the 25 on up size. Just seems logical and safer.

Comments?

Yeah, In one way I like having the receiver battery for safety, but in another way it's just one more battery you have to remember to charge. I'm sure you could get away with not having a rx battery though, and yes that 1800mAh battery is huge. Without it way up in the nose the flight batteries would have to be moved as far forward as possible. I like the way mine works as I can plug in the flight pack, put the canopy on, walk it out to the flight line and then turn on the receiver power via a switch to get things moving.

Jason

[Flyboone]

Here is how I did the canopy latch. I have two carbon rods glued on the front that key-in to two holes in the fuse. Pull back the lever, drop the canopy down, release the lever and go fly.

Jason

[MayDay]

Thanks Jason! The pictures are a huge help! I'm not using a separate pack for the receiver but will be moving the elevator and steering servo to the platform at the nose. This will make room to move the bat. packs way up to the front under the canard to try and balance without adding weight.
Also, did you have to cut a notch out of the canard for the elevator control arm to have full range of motion?

[Flyboone]

Thanks Jason! The pictures are a huge help! I'm not using a separate pack for the receiver but will be moving the elevator and steering servo to the platform at the nose. This will make room to move the bat. packs way up to the front under the canard to try and balance without adding weight.
Also, did you have to cut a notch out of the canard for the elevator control arm to have full range of motion?

I did notch the canard stab. The instuctions could have been a little better on that section. Luckily I noticed it before I glued the stab in. That way I didn't have to try and cram a Demrel tool in there to notch out the wood. I took my Long EZ out this morning for a few laps. What fun!!

Jason

[Flatspin]

Well I have mine ready to go if I can get a break in the weather..I mounted my elevator servo on the tray under the nose cone and the steering servo under the tray...I did have to notch the horizontal stab just a little so the pushrod would'nt rub...I think I screwed up though on the stearing servo cause I just used an old HS80 Hitec I had laying around but it's not metal geared...probably going to be a weak link in the nose wheel...I'll wait and see how long it takes before it strips then replace it with a metal gear.
I also went down to a 11x7 apc and it drew 43amps and about 450ish watts wide open ..I think I'll put some spoons on the bottom of the fuse also for some cooling air to pass through the fuse. Maybe we can all fly some formation laps around the field at SEFF. Would look pretty cool I think and the more the better. Some day I'm going to learn how to send pics on hear but I'm PC stupid with that stuff right now. I'll show you my canopy setup using only lite ply, 3/16 dowels and a rubber band. I left the plastic cockpit out and just painted the inside silver blue. Yeah, lazy!
I have next week off work so will be looking for a non windy, rainy, snowy (michigan) day for a maiden flight. didnt mean to write a book..good job on keeping the thread going guys!!

Ron

[k_sonn]

Mine is almost finished. Need to install the canopy and push rods.

Question: Those of you who have finished and flown yours, what do you have the elevator and aileron throws set at? The instruction book doesn't give these numbers.

Kirk

[Flatspin]

Kirk..we just got 5" of snow here in MI for super bowl sunday...(Seahawks made a great effort by the way) but I haven't been able to maiden my EZ yet either...
I guess the best guy to ask att is Jason from HL...I think he has the most flights in on his...I would also like to know where Jason has his CG..seems like a little nose heavy would be best for the maiden flite and with the elevator up front it mite be a little pitch sensitive so I would start with a very mild low rate, then crank it up after you get the feel eh?