GWS fighter JETs will come...

[GWS4CEO]

GWS fighter JETs will come start by the end of 2005. :)

See:GWS at 2005 Taipei Aero-Space and Defence industry show.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403003

F15 with twin EDF55s. Price in USA will be similar to our A10. Basic kit ( in white and without motor ) price in USA will be less then $60 include twin EDF55 duct fan units less motors.


M2000 with a single EDF75. Basic kit ( in white and without motor ) price in USA will be less then $40 include EDF75 duct fan unit less motor.

Since I believe that you had a lot of your own favorite high performance motors!? :rolleyes:

[Hawker]

Very impressive! Looking very good Mr Linn. :D

How soon will we be able to buy these?

[GWS4CEO]

GWS Eraly Brids member should be able to get them before Christmas. :)

But for massive production prdocuts should be arrive GWS USA stock at late Feb. of 2006. :p

Sorry that we lost first proto type of F15 after the show closed while GWS was moving out the booth display. :(

[Hawker]

Sounds good about the availability but sorry to hear about the F15 prototype.
It's such a good looking jet I can see why someone would want to take it.
Looking forward to trying one. :D

[GWS4CEO]

That first GWS F15 proto type was lost during the show finished, the move out day! :o

However, we made a 2nd GWS F15 proto type which silightly larger than the first one, yet with twin EDF55s instead of the first proto which only come with a single EDF64.

I would be very happy because while we made this 2nd F15 proto type with my new ideals, she flew even much better than the first one! :)

May be another miracle arranged by the GOD again? :D

After some more debugs, I will bring this proto type to GWS China factory and strat tooling molds ASAP. ;)

[ARCHER7153]

I cant wait. Keep them coming.

[Hawker]

I'm glad that all worked out for the best. Looking forward to your F15 and the others. :D

[Tommy D]

GWS fighter JETs will come start by the end of 2005. :)



Would that mean these jets will be out BEFORE both the P-40 & P-38?? :rolleyes:

[Pilot44]

Interesting

[Tommy D]

Interesting

No Jim THIS is interesting....



Sorry, F15 can not catch this Christmas. :p


So which is it??? :rolleyes:

[Astrix]

Will the F-15 be released with the brushless esc's/motor and also the stronger foam construction? :D

[GWS4CEO]

Will the F-15 be released with the brushless esc's/motor and also the stronger foam construction? :DNot sure at this moment. :p

That's why I have to back and forward between GWS HQ and GWS China factory: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324252

I will keep tracing on those new projects.. ;)

[ARCHER7153]

I would like to see some 2 edf 75 jets

[GWS4CEO]

Would that mean these jets will be out BEFORE both the P-40 & P-38?? :rolleyes:P40 is on the tooling molds making now, should have foam pcs beta version for Early Birds and test pilots at 2005 RCHTA show. :)

P38 later, but may be with a lot of modification to be a morden twinfighter. :) Possible delayed again. :p

[GWS4CEO]

I would like to see some 2 edf 75 jetsHow big that will be the size? :rolleyes:

Do you guys had test datas about GWS EDF75 with brushless motors match? :confused:

[keven64]

Twin 400 ( in fans ) powered jets ?
40" wingspan I'd say... or thereabouts. Maybe a little larger. :)

The twin EDF-55 idea has got me, though...
Is that Tupolev Tu-14 for twin EDF-55's ? NICE !
I've just got two of those fans... :D

All four in the pictures look great, Mr. Lin ! ;)

Keven. :)

[atsiang]

Mr. Lin
Besides the fighter EDF, any date for airliner EDF or business jet EDF?

[easytiger]

No Jim THIS is interesting....





So which is it??? :rolleyes:


Double hmm....

[Hawker]

Let's see, Mr Linn is kind enough to show us what's coming from his great
company. Why give him grief when he's just sharing with us by giving us all a
glimpse of GWS's future products? He was very clear in saying that their
prototype F-15 was lost (ie taken, stolen, etc) and they had to start again from
scratch. There is nothing "interesting" about it IMHO. It just stinks that some
crook put them behind schedule, but in the end it worked out for the best
because now we'll all get a better plane as a result. I'm sure it will be worth the
wait.

Keep up the great work Mr Linn, keep producing great products for the masses
and thanks for sharing this news with us here. It's very exciting to say the
least. All of those jets look great! :)

[edf nut]

i agree with hawker

[T-T]

That first GWS F15 proto type was lost during the show finished, the move out day! :o

However, we made a 2nd GWS F15 proto type which silightly larger than the first one, yet with twin EDF55s instead of the first proto which only come with a single EDF64.

I would be very happy because while we made this 2nd F15 proto type with my new ideals, she flew even much better than the first one! :)

May be another miracle arranged by the GOD again? :D

After some more debugs, I will bring this proto type to GWS China factory and strat tooling molds ASAP. ;)


Mr. Lin,

Your second F-15 seem to be same config with my DIY project.
Dual EDF F-15 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409907)
What size will you prefer?

Looking forword your new product information. :)

[U812]

Well lookie here boys. Target drones for the 1KW club. Target the red stars LOL!!!

Steve

[kriptonic]

LOL Steve,

I agree, i can't wait to shoot them down :D

Gene

[roccobro]

At least there is hope for us cheap EDF guys like me! :D Gene, Just cause it styro I don't think you'll want to run your sweet FG birds through it midair- But I'd let your try! :D:D Time will tell.

Justin

[keven64]

...and me ! ;)

( I love that Tu-14... :D )

Keven. :)

[GIFLYRC]

I'm thinking that we will have a great new line of "pusher jets" as well

Keep up the good work Mr. Lin
and thanks for making the kits available without "stock" motors, I dislike paying for somthing I can't use!

GWS Rules!

Roger aka GIFLYRC

[GWS4CEO]

How about SG version even without GWS duct fan units? :p

[rdeis]

Actually, there will be a market for that. A lot of the high-power guys have their favorite 55mm fans they'll want to use.

[Tommy D]

Let's see, Mr Linn is kind enough to show us what's coming from his great
company. Why give him grief when he's just sharing with us by giving us all a
glimpse of GWS's future products?

Hawker

Sorry if you thought I was giving him grief. I guess I’m just tired of being told get ready guys it’s coming soon, and then a year later …. Nothing.

I simply thought it amusing that the 2 posts by Mr. Lin seemed to contradict themselves.

[easytiger]

We've heard Houng-Wen's promises before, the P-38 was announced, what, two years ago? And, yup, contradictory promises already about an F-15. So, I think it's great that there might be some new jets from GWS...someday...but I would not hold my breath just yet.

[roccobro]

I wouldn't hold my breath either, but this just shows there IS a future. GWS is working to makes things better for us consumers. Example: last I heard all of the lines of models will be made in a (better?) heavier spongier foam that should last longer with rough landings. Wound't be implemented tomorrrow, but it is something neat to look forward to and appreciate when it arrives. Like some Goon says "old and hovers" or maybe its something to the effect of "the future is bright".

Justin

Justin

[rcguy01]

How about SG version even without GWS duct fan units? :p

right on, SG version is so great... flyers
can use whatever power they think appropriate to their taste.
That is called creativity...

Bravo Mr Lin, your SG options is always welcome
around the world.

And how about better rotor for your Fans, Mr Lin?

If you look back and compare, This year is better than yesteryear.
And next year will be better than this year in RC world.

Move on folks, yes... carry on... ;)

Can't wait for this thing happens

;)

[Ralph Brekan]

Oh good for us "Early Bird" (read Spring 2007 :rolleyes: ) Just kidding Mr Lin... Wheres my P40? :p

[rcguy01]

just take your time to enjoy flying, folks.

I hope Mr lin takes all of the time to make
good products for us. I don't want to waste
my time and energy on junky planes. I can wait. ;)

So far, GWS has been doing so well. Many of
their planes are very good. Well, to be precise,
they are pretty good with lot of effort from flyers
(modifyng them) though.

Hang on for the ride.
;) ;)

[King_Ice_Flash]

How about SG version even without GWS duct fan units? :p
If you offered kits designed with different fan mounts and intake rings for the more popular fans, that would be great!

Im sorry about the F-15, that really is terrible.

GWS does such a great job of making quality kits, and keeping them at a reasonable price. Keep up the good work!

[rcguy01]

If you offered kits designed with different fan mounts and intake rings for the more popular fans, that would be great!

Im sorry about the F-15, that really is terrible.

GWS does such a great job of making quality kits, and keeping them at a reasonable price. Keep up the good work!


I am glad somebody stole that F15 :cool:

Do not get me wrong :p
You know what? After that, Mr Lin and GWS staff just come
up with a better version F15 with 2 fans instead of one fan on the
stolen F15.


:D

[kriptonic]

OK, i think i had enough of this thread, I'll see these edfs when i see them.

Unsubscribed for now.

Gene

[Ralph Brekan]

Yeah, Mr Lin likes to put the cart before the horse... or at least dangle the carrot out there... :p

[roccobro]

OK, i think i had enough of this thread, I'll see these edfs when i see them.

Unsubscribed for now.

Gene


Yep.

Justin

[easytiger]

Yep. Out of that whole wall full of models, how many do you think will ever make it into production, and when? It's more than a little early, the stuff is just north of vaporware at present. Besides, he already posted this tease on another thread, to me, its somewhere close to spam.
Better foam? Doubt it. The really cheap foam is part of the really cheap price.

[roccobro]

The really cheap foam is part of the really cheap price.

That and it's foam! :D

[Akura2]

Mr. Lin... will any of these planes be at the iHobby show in October in Los Angeles?

[easytiger]

That and it's foam! :D
Hey, there's foam, and then there's FOAM! You get what you pay for, sometimes. The quality of the foam, the number and size of mold marks, all that kind of stuff, it varies according to price. But for $40 for a jet, keep your expectations low and you won't be dissapointed...but it can be a great disposeable model, or a good starting point for making it a nicer model. The really cheap foamies, in my OPINION(feel free to disagree) don't look good for long, and don't last long, that really light, soft foam does not take detail well, and does not hold up.

[Ed Waldrep]

A bolt-on adapter with grub screws that's not glued on would be nice for those who want to run a brushless. I've heard horror stories of people trying to get the rotor and adapter off of the stock fans. Tried myself to take a EDF 64 apart...about 5 minutes and nothing. And that screwdriver stuff doesn't cut it, the angle is all wrong.

[King_Ice_Flash]

A bolt-on adapter with grub screws that's not glued on would be nice for those who want to run a brushless. I've heard horror stories of people trying to get the rotor and adapter off of the stock fans. Tried myself to take a EDF 64 apart...about 5 minutes and nothing. And that screwdriver stuff doesn't cut it, the angle is all wrong.
Aircraft-World.com was selling the fans w/o motors installed. It is so much easier.

[kdk]

i cant wait !!!

[easytiger]

i cant wait !!!
You may have to!

[Hovertime]

Single fan airplanes result in lower cost, especially going brushless.

[Robbie d]

isnt that the truth, my A-10 is worth more than the rest of my planes with two cc phoenix 10's in it (driving cdroms in edf-50s)

[keven64]

I said earlier
I love that Tu-14... :DIS it a Tu-14 or an Il-28 ? :confused:
Oh well - that's one I doubt will make it into pruduction, anyway...

Keven. :)

[flyingwings]

Hey, there's foam, and then there's FOAM! You get what you pay for, sometimes. The quality of the foam, the number and size of mold marks, all that kind of stuff, it varies according to price. But for $40 for a jet, keep your expectations low and you won't be dissapointed...but it can be a great disposeable model, or a good starting point for making it a nicer model. The really cheap foamies, in my OPINION(feel free to disagree) don't look good for long, and don't last long, that really light, soft foam does not take detail well, and does not hold up.

Here's my 2 cents worth.

Mr. Lin is doing a great job and he is testing the market. I learned the hard way with my kits. Blew a lot of money on producing kits that no one wanted to buy. GWS is definitely in a different market however, the cost to produce a kit that doesn't sell is no different than a kit that does sell. Therefore, he is very wise to test the market before producing a particular kit.

My hat is off to you Mr. Lin.

As for the models being ding resistance my experience with soft Type I bead foam is that hanger rash is the same for the soft foam as compared to the balsa model.

Flying damage is no worst than balsa.

Now I am biased because I cover my models with carbon fibre mat. .5 oz and .2 oz. and Weldbond glue. Strong and flexible has always been the objective.

Paul

[NCC-1701]

IS it a Tu-14 or an Il-28 ? :confused:
Oh well - that's one I doubt will make it into pruduction, anyway...

Keven. :)

Looks like an IL-28 to me. Nice to see an obscure Cold War aircraft being modeled. The large, straight wing should give it docile flying qualities.

Rob

[Hawker]

I'm looking forward to that one too. Looks really nice. :)

[GIFLYRC]

Hey, there's foam, and then there's FOAM! You get what you pay for, sometimes. The quality of the foam, the number and size of mold marks, all that kind of stuff, it varies according to price. But for $40 for a jet, keep your expectations low and you won't be dissapointed...but it can be a great disposeable model, or a good starting point for making it a nicer model. The really cheap foamies, in my OPINION(feel free to disagree) don't look good for long, and don't last long, that really light, soft foam does not take detail well, and does not hold up.

You get no argument from me,however you can't see the 'boogers" fifty feet away at fifty mph.

IE: Fifty/Fifty Rule" :D

And it is a good entry level for somone who wants to try "different".

Roger aka GIFLYRC

[easytiger]

There is something to that, but not all foam is created equal, some holds up better than others, some planes look mighty ratty after 30 flights and some are fine.
I'm not against foam...for some airplanes, it's the right call, especially for these small jets...you get both the outside and the all-important inside ducting all in one monocoque structure, it is VERY difficult to duplicate that in balsa at the same weight at these small jet sizes.

[rebuildit]

I enjoy the GWS planes. I find the prices fair for what you get. I was really looking forward to the p40. Sorry it's not out. These jets sure look nice. I am transistioning to jets and think these GWS jets will be a great plane to learn on. I like the idea of a slope glder kit. I look forward to seeing the F-15 in my LHS. naturally sooner the better.lol.. But anyway keep up the good work Mr.Lin.

[easytiger]

Here's my 2 cents worth.

Mr. Lin is doing a great job and he is testing the market. I learned the hard way with my kits. Blew a lot of money on producing kits that no one wanted to buy. GWS is definitely in a different market however, the cost to produce a kit that doesn't sell is no different than a kit that does sell. Therefore, he is very wise to test the market before producing a particular kit.

My hat is off to you Mr. Lin.

As for the models being ding resistance my experience with soft Type I bead foam is that hanger rash is the same for the soft foam as compared to the balsa model.

Flying damage is no worst than balsa.

Now I am biased because I cover my models with carbon fibre mat. .5 oz and .2 oz. and Weldbond glue. Strong and flexible has always been the objective.

Paul


"Testing the waters" and saying you are going to produce a whole new line of jets are two different things.
Hangar rash, I disagree, the balsa models hold up better that way than foam, but it depends what foam, but that's my own experience, your mileage may vary.

Curious, what kind of kits do you make?

[roccobro]

I'd like some more pictures or specs or what to expect in the next 2 years intheGWS EDF planes mentioned (good open timeframe, huh?)

Justin

[scratchandbash]

A bolt-on adapter with grub screws that's not glued on would be nice for those who want to run a brushless. I've heard horror stories of people trying to get the rotor and adapter off of the stock fans. Tried myself to take a EDF 64 apart...about 5 minutes and nothing. And that screwdriver stuff doesn't cut it, the angle is all wrong.
I've actually got pretty good at it, but it still ain't no picnic. Sweatin' balls the whole time. I think I got the 64s perfected the last time, with a custom made prybar. Changed to Hacker e-flite 4900s. They firt perfectly, with the first heatsink fin centering it in the hub. Only 1 fin wasted, so to speak. I think I'm going to start buying empty EDF bodies in the future. Better solution than needing a stiff drink, with every bl GWS EDF setup.

[NCC-1701]

Check out e-flightline. They offer GWS EDF-55 and EDF-64 fans with HiMax BL motors already installed.

http://www.e-flightline.com/

[gromitvt10]

MR. Lin,
Any plans on making an EA-6B Prowler??? or A-6 Intruder, or BOTH!!!!????

Kyle

[Hovertime]

Check out e-flightline. They offer GWS EDF-55 and EDF-64 fans with HiMax BL motors already installed.

http://www.e-flightline.com/

Check these out too~! http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=415657

[scratchandbash]

I really like GWS and Mr. Lin, but it would be nice if he would re-visit his threads every now and then. A bit more personalized, and less commercialized, as he is already on the right track, by talking with us. Its like every time I see page 2, 3, and so on questions, and I think; "You would be better of asking the wall in you computer office."

[roccobro]

I really like GWS and Mr. Lin, but it would be nice if he would re-visit his threads every now and then. A bit more personalized, and less commercialized, as he is already on the right track, by talking with us. Its like every time I see page 2, 3, and so on questions, and I think; "You would be better of asking the wall in you computer office."


I agree. He gets us pandering for him and foaming at the mouth by talking to each other. Same thing he did on the now closed Kamdax M2000 thread.

Justin

[beanie]

hey guys,
correct me if i am wrong, but these planes that mr lin posted really look like a-san's planes. check out his thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327673
on that thread, mr lin talked about trying to get a-san on board as a gws designer, but no luck thus far. does this mean he got him onboard, or is he just showing us someone else's planes to test the waters?
just what i observed, but maybe i am mistaken. if so, please excuse me.
-beanie

[roccobro]

Cloning isn't illegal in those parts. Plus most depron jets look alike from "just" a picture,.

Justin

[Ralph Brekan]

I agree. He gets us pandering for him and foaming at the mouth by talking to each other. Same thing he did on the now closed Kamdax M2000 thread.

Justin

He's good at putting the carrot before the horse. (I wish I remembered which Ezoner penned that one?? :confused: TommyTorino? Red61?) Its a marketing saavy shared only by his competition.

That P40 "prototype" he keeps waiving around is nothing more than a Spitfire fuse w/ some work on the cowl with a me109 canopy and a Me109 wing sanded round (plus a poorly painted sharkmouth). I keep saying Im going to make one from those two kits but then realize JZLZ will I make from the me109 fuse and spitfire wing?" Then Everytime Mr Lin pops in to revive the Warhawk thread I think to myself, "Oh good that Tower backorder should be coming any year now!" And now the jets.... souring threads and running off jet competition. :rolleyes:



F15 with twin EDF55s. Price in USA will be similar to our A10. Basic kit ( in white and without motor ) price in USA will be less then $60 include twin EDF55 duct fan units less motors.

M2000 with a single EDF75. Basic kit ( in white and without motor ) price in USA will be less then $40 include EDF75 duct fan unit less motor.



Move over Cheryl Tiegs.... (read: I have a new day dream lover)

Do you guys ever think Mr. Lin is consprining with our wives? "just wait, hold onto your cash, this ones coming..." :P

[Ralph Brekan]

double post

[scratchandbash]

That P40 "prototype" he keeps waiving around is nothing more than a Spitfire fuse w/ some work on the cowl with a me109 canopy and a Me109 wing sanded round (plus a poorly painted sharkmouth). I keep saying Im going to make one from those two kits but then realize JZLZ will I make from the me109 fuse and spitfire wing?" Then Everytime Mr Lin pops in to revive the Warhawk thread I think to myself, "Oh good that Tower backorder should be coming any year now!" And now the jets.... souring threads and running off jet competition. :rolleyes:



Move over Cheryl Tiegs.... (read: I have a new day dream lover)

Do you guys ever think Mr. Lin is consprining with our wives? "just wait, hold onto your cash, this ones coming..." :P
That's a pretty good P-40 theory Ralph. Pretty easy to do, seeing the donor parts I have used to build planes. Would you believe that's a GWS P-51 wing used in the core perimeter.
Edit: O yeah, I forgot the elevator too.

[easytiger]

He's good at putting the carrot before the horse. (I wish I remembered which Ezoner penned that one?? :confused: TommyTorino? Red61?) Its a marketing saavy shared only by his competition.

That P40 "prototype" he keeps waiving around is nothing more than a Spitfire fuse w/ some work on the cowl with a me109 canopy and a Me109 wing sanded round (plus a poorly painted sharkmouth). I keep saying Im going to make one from those two kits but then realize JZLZ will I make from the me109 fuse and spitfire wing?" Then Everytime Mr Lin pops in to revive the Warhawk thread I think to myself, "Oh good that Tower backorder should be coming any year now!" And now the jets.... souring threads and running off jet competition. :rolleyes:



Move over Cheryl Tiegs.... (read: I have a new day dream lover)

Do you guys ever think Mr. Lin is consprining with our wives? "just wait, hold onto your cash, this ones coming..." :P


Carrot before the horse? I like that! If you can't stand the big dogs, stay out of the kitchen!
You are one of the few people who understands Mr. Lin's MO. It's big business to him.
These jets ARE the ones made by A-san.
I'd be VERY skeptical about any single one of them appearing before a year or two, if at all. GWS has a bad habit of this. He will post something that is lightyears away from production, just to keep you thinking about him, and to keep you from thinking about other manufacturers.
Lots of talk about a P-40. Don't hold your breath. P-38? HUNDREDS of posts, many promises...anybody seen a SINGLE picture of one? Far as I have seen, it's pure vaporware. It does not take YEARS to make a foamie airplane. Try a few months.
I'd be happy if Houng-win kept his posts in the GWS forum. They gave him how whole own forum where he can boast about his own products all day long, to a crowd of worshipful syncophants. I don't want to see him spread that stuff around. As a matter of fact, he posted this SAME thread elsewhere, too.

[scratchandbash]

One of the first things I learned when in the boring area of product support, is that you can have a beautiful prototype, that is not even 1 step toward production. It BLOWS THE UNKNOWING AWAY, when they begin to realize the complexities of putting even a nail clipper into production.
As I've said before, I really like GWS and Mr. Lin, but it would appear to be more honest, if he would continue to talk with us. We get dissed after page 1. People ask questions to the wind. I would like to believe that he loves what he is doing, and is not just all about the money.
Let's start asking things like; "Show us the engineering drawings and the mold cavities?" I can shape any one of his planes out of foam and make it look mold produced, for those who have seen my foam shaping cores. I think we should drop these threads when he does. He probably looks to see if they are still going, and if they are, will not post again.

[Tomcat Fan]

To heck with him as far as aircraft bodies go.
The people here on groups come up with better anyway.
Just keep pumping out the electronics stuff, and you'll be wealthy enough, Mr. Lin.
This is the only thread of his I've ever responded to since I am not overly impressed vs. what some of the RCG members come up with all on their lonesome.
Plus I concur with the general lack of respect for intellectual property in
"that part of the world".

[NCC-1701]

I don't want to see him spread that stuff around.

Then add Mr Lin to your IGNORE list. Then you'll never have to see another GWS promo again. Problem solved by the magic of modern technology.

Rob

[rcguy01]

can't go wrong with any coming $29 GWS EDF jet (sloper version)
All we need to do is throw in our best power set up and
here we go... zoom zoom zoom... more fun for much less money.

why care for what the label is?
who cares about "GWS" "FWS" "GWB ;) "... whatsoever.
the main thing is the $29 well spent... best bang for the bucks...

:D :D

[easytiger]

One of the first things I learned when in the boring area of product support, is that you can have a beautiful prototype, that is not even 1 step toward production. It BLOWS THE UNKNOWING AWAY, when they begin to realize the complexities of putting even a nail clipper into production.
As I've said before, I really like GWS and Mr. Lin, but it would appear to be more honest, if he would continue to talk with us. We get dissed after page 1. People ask questions to the wind. I would like to believe that he loves what he is doing, and is not just all about the money.
Let's start asking things like; "Show us the engineering drawings and the mold cavities?" I can shape any one of his planes out of foam and make it look mold produced, for those who have seen my foam shaping cores. I think we should drop these threads when he does. He probably looks to see if they are still going, and if they are, will not post again.

My OPINION is it IS all about the money, and they he plays a fairly skillful PR game, pretty much all the time.
You don't REALLY see answers about tough questions from him, ever. You noticed as well as I that as long as the thread is rampant praise, Houng-Wen will keep it going, when it turns even slightly south, he's gone.
My own take is that he sees this as free advertising for his stuff, not much more than that.
As far as making molds and all that, it's not as hard as all that, especially today, and if he really wanted to, he could have had a P-38 out within a few months. Or a nail clipper, for that matter. 10,000 posts is an awful lot, one could carve an awful lot of prototypes out of foam, test fly them, and then send them off to a mold-maker in that same amount of time taken.
Nothing wrong with showing a teaser now and then, but be straight about it. Here we have multiple posts in multiple forums about a whole WALL full of jets that are "coming soon." Heard it before about other GWS planes, been dissapointed before, so forgive me if I take it with a big grain of salt.
A more straight-up post might have been:
"Here is a bunch of prototypes that I bought from A-san, I plan on kitting some or all of these, which would you like to see first, I am just testing the waters...before you ask, none of them have completed testing, and none of them have molds made yet, so it may be a while." I see plenty of other manufacturers do that kind of thing...look at RBC...they give you a very straight insight into their new projects, how the testing is going, and when they REALLY will be in production.

[scratchandbash]

I've personally got POs cut for tooling. Even at the lowest Chinese tooling cost, a mold for just an injection molded fuse alone would easily range 50-100k or more. There are some efficiencies from molds made through EDM and other modern technologies. The problems are:
A. The shop has to have the capabilities.
B. GWS has to have the solid CAD models.
B, Obviously being the biggest hurdle. I've never seen any solid models of thes "almost ready to release" prototypes. I modeled using Proe for 6 years, and many of the users here have posted their solid models. If he had them, I think he would have shown them to us.
People like to oversimplify the production process. Moldmaking for these foam parts is a specialized "black art". There are many problems incurred, and it is not just a turn key process. If I don't see proof that the moldmaking is in process, I would not expect it for a long time, if ever.

[easytiger]

Okay. Using your process, if you started today to make, say, an F-15 foamy, how long would it take you from a prototype to a set of foam parts?
What if you were using a non-cad process? I know in the old days, plastic injection molded styrene models, which are infinitely more complex than the five or eight parts we would need for an F-15, were turned out in a few months by hand...how long for a foamie jet?

[Sal C]

I would really like to see some GWS products made from epp...

[Ralph Brekan]

My own take is that he sees this as free advertising for his stuff, not much more than that.

Of course!!! Isnt RCGroups a GWS-USA venture?? I always thought it was... Why else do they pack EZone stickers in every kit?? :p This web site is Mr Lins cyber playground. Why would he engage in argument when his goal is to sell kits? :confused: He leaves the arguing to the client.

I think he's a pretty swell guy. The fact he lets his competition post here is commendable. He could have every contrary thread pulled, if he so chooses. It could be a totalitarian regime if he wanted. "Jim crack down on that Easy tiger!" But I have noticed, the more you advertise, the more you can blather... :D

[easytiger]

Are you being serious? No offense. I do NOT know what the relationship between GWS and RCG is, no idea. Did not speculate. Does it feel like Mr. Lin gets treated differently than the rest of us? Sure SEEMS that way. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe for different reasons than you think. I don't know.
If you are being serious, tone it down a bit, just because the poor moderators, and for that matter, the citizenry at large, are a bit edgy today, and YOU don't want the be the one to start a fire!

[roccobro]

Lol! Good one Ralph. :D Seems true sometimes too.

Justin

[ltz400]

[QUOTE=easytiger] YOU don't want the be the one to start a fire!


You should know "easytiger"-you've started many fires here on RCGroups.Particularly with GWS & Mr.Lin.I dont understand why you have to be so harsh with this guy.He's a buisness man trying to produce & sell great kits at a great price.I really dont think you have any idea of what it take to design-test-gear-up a factory & produce a model plane.So quit your complaining and wait patiently like the rest of us.From the way it sounds you would'nt purchase anything with a GWS label on it anyway.So leave it alone would ya-geez!!!! :(

[easytiger]

Oh, yes, you are most indubitably correct, in all respects, and I apologize most profusely.

Some other time, okay?

[Akura2]

We haven't seen Mr. Lin in a couple of pages... I wonder where he is?

[jiggiba]

I hope he is building us some JETS :D :D

[atsiang]

Like other has suggested, if easytiger is bothering you, just put him on your ignore list! If everyone did that, there would be no need for this useless back and forth confrontation and we can all go on to talk about the original topic - GWS fighter jets! Mr. Lin and everyone just put easytiger on your ignore list. This will solve all our problems till he gets banned again.

[easytiger]

I've personally got POs cut for tooling. Even at the lowest Chinese tooling cost, a mold for just an injection molded fuse alone would easily range 50-100k or more. There are some efficiencies from molds made through EDM and other modern technologies. The problems are:
A. The shop has to have the capabilities.
B. GWS has to have the solid CAD models.
B, Obviously being the biggest hurdle. I've never seen any solid models of thes "almost ready to release" prototypes. I modeled using Proe for 6 years, and many of the users here have posted their solid models. If he had them, I think he would have shown them to us.
People like to oversimplify the production process. Moldmaking for these foam parts is a specialized "black art". There are many problems incurred, and it is not just a turn key process. If I don't see proof that the moldmaking is in process, I would not expect it for a long time, if ever.

What did you think of the picture Houng-Wen posted over on the GWS forum, showing some prototype parts for a Mirage 2000 sitting on top of some drawings?

[Pilot44]

Ahh,,, Easymoney, I remember that name from somewhere...was that not James Bonds sqeeze, I ask you..... :o ..... :confused: ...... :censored:

Jim

[easytiger]

Uh, no.
It was a simple and sincere question...since you seem to have some experience with making molding, I was asking how long you thought that project might be from an actual airplane.
Me? I think a year.
I see some really basic design mistakes(look where the fan is, for one thing) that show me that no real thought has gone in, that no test flying has been done, and that no tooling exists. I see corrections made to the drawing in crayon. I don't see any 3d CAD model(maybe it does exist?)...all I see is some pretty rudimentary drawings and a foam fuse that someone could have carved by hand in a day. Oh, and a plastic canopy.
I think your comments(that were deleted) are sooo sooo far off base. You seem to think I was out to "get you" somehow. For what? And I definitely do NOT belong to any clique here, I'm an independent kind of guy!
But anyway...the question was sincere, what are your thoughts about going from what Houng-Wen showed to an actual product?

[rcguy01]

I don't care who is Mr Lin is (wish I can say nicer)
But the fact that nobody can deny is GWS, as a whole,
changed the lanscape of E-flying dramatically during
the last few years. And now it seems like GWS, as a small
dedicated community, is entering the EDF arena with their
powerfull thing "cheap and available." Yes, that is it.
For this wonderful hobby, "cheap and availability" is all
parkflers need. They have fun flying their planes while not
worrying a bit about their wallets.

[Kevin Cox]

Forum...
Gnooybird was banned, I sent all the data that I had to support this to the Admins and never got a reply so I'm going to do what I think is right.

Gnooybird, Rcguy01, and now eflyer2005 share the same IP...if you time it right .

You were banned....take that time off and think about why it happened.

[roccobro]

Thank you KC.

Justin

[scratchandbash]

Again, where was easy..'s warning for this one. Couldn't put it where it should have gone, as it was closed.

Quote easy..y:
Oh, nevermind. I'm sure scratchandbash is 100% correct in all of his allegations. I, for one, will chip in a buck for some flowers and an apology card. Anybody else?

Back to me: I assume this trouble starting is ok? Open season on me is correct. I have proven it more than once, but I won't start another thread for the good people here's benefit.

I know, I'm all wrong again, warning scratchanbash, personal attck scratchanbash, throw the book etc, etc, etc, the whole ball of wax, 9 yards, and kitchen sink too.....

[Eibo Morakinaga]

My OPINION is it IS all about the money, and they he plays a fairly skillful PR game, pretty much all the time.
You don't REALLY see answers about tough questions from him, ever. You noticed as well as I that as long as the thread is rampant praise, Houng-Wen will keep it going, when it turns even slightly south, he's gone.
My own take is that he sees this as free advertising for his stuff, not much more than that.
As far as making molds and all that, it's not as hard as all that, especially today, and if he really wanted to, he could have had a P-38 out within a few months. Or a nail clipper, for that matter. 10,000 posts is an awful lot, one could carve an awful lot of prototypes out of foam, test fly them, and then send them off to a mold-maker in that same amount of time taken.
Nothing wrong with showing a teaser now and then, but be straight about it. Here we have multiple posts in multiple forums about a whole WALL full of jets that are "coming soon." Heard it before about other GWS planes, been dissapointed before, so forgive me if I take it with a big grain of salt.
A more straight-up post might have been:
"Here is a bunch of prototypes that I bought from A-san, I plan on kitting some or all of these, which would you like to see first, I am just testing the waters...before you ask, none of them have completed testing, and none of them have molds made yet, so it may be a while." I see plenty of other manufacturers do that kind of thing...look at RBC...they give you a very straight insight into their new projects, how the testing is going, and when they REALLY will be in production.


I COMPLETELY AGREE.

[easytiger]

[QUOTE=easytiger]Uh, no.
It was a simple and sincere question...QUOTE]

I would call that a LIE! You mysteriously troll me all the way to this thread, which you dug up DIRT DIGGING from page 2. I called you on your wonderful attitude toward me, and you seem to live on ONE WAY STREET. Anybody common Bodeen can see that you were ing with me, by the nature of the question. Again, your habits will make you a popular and COOL GUY around here.
People beliving your sincerity - 0
People beliving it is a lie - all the rest, because IT IS


I think you are quite paranoid.

I've never heard "any common bodeen" , I like that expression.

There is one big, gaping hole in your theorem.
I'm neither popular nor a cool guy. Ask around...certainly, more people hate ME than people hate you! But you are gaining ground!
Anyway...I asked you a question about how long you thought it would take to make molds, you still won't answer. And I don't know WHAT you think I am trying to trip you up on, I dislike Mr. Lin.