GWS fighter JETs will come...

[AirX]

I think the whole factory is attending the military convention in Taiwan, they have become heavily involved in UAV aircraft last few years, I imagine it pays better.

Eric B.

[Ralph Brekan]

I bet. I actually tried to get in to the UAV demo in Virginia and it was rediculous amount of participants.

[b7gwap]

come on Mr. Lin! We all want to see some EDF jet fighter from your company! Let us know about your progress and hinderances please! pretty please? :)
cheers
Austin

[Blaze.45]

come on Mr. Lin! We all want to see some EDF jet fighter from your company! Let us know about your progress and hinderances please! pretty please? :)
cheers
Austin


You're beating a horse thats beyond dead... its now a fine mush on the ground.

[meteor]

The major stumbling block with GWS and EDF models is their general insistence that all their aircraft be able to fly with cheapo brushed motors and NiCd batteries!

A honourable goal for the beginner, but completely impractical in most EDF applications.


Although it was a very long time ago, Kyosho made the same mistake with the T-33 and F-16. (both of which perform brilliantly with brushless Li-Po power systems)

[Thomas B]

FTM has beaten GWS to the micro jet sales counter again, this time in EDF 40 size, with their new 21" F9F Panther due out later this month. Check out the recent thread in this forum:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525029

[Thomas B]

The major stumbling block with GWS and EDF models is their general insistence that all their aircraft be able to fly with cheapo brushed motors and NiCd batteries!

A honourable goal for the beginner, but completely impractical in most EDF applications.


Although it was a very long time ago, Kyosho made the same mistake with the T-33 and F-16. (both of which perform brilliantly with brushless Li-Po power systems)

A good point in your first comment, but how did Kyosho make a mistake releasing EDFs years ago for brushed motors and Nicads, when brushless was not yet widespread and Lipos were a thing of the future?

They were using the best widely available tech for the time. The tech caught up and improved the products. later.

[roccobro]

I took it as to how it actually hurts the EDF title when a model cannot be flown by most users in the "stock" recommended setup or just causes much grief. I do think that Kyosho did have something positive in it's "attempt" at EDF in the dark ages, but it wasn't the company's fault (well, besides the bad ducting design. :rolleyes: ) Many users got their first kick out of electrons and DF because of Ky.

Jsutin

[roccobro]

Thomas- I'm still on your list for your special item right?

Justin

[pumi]

We are halfway through 2006. I really don't think these are showing up :mad:

Oh well..

Pumi

[GWS4CEO]

We are halfway through 2006. I really don't think these are showing up :mad:

Oh well..

PumiSorry for the delay, but still going on... :p

See http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=460137&page=10#post5589333

[gunracer]

thanks for the update mr. lin...can you give us a hint as to when the next model will be released and what it will be?...thanks again...

[b7gwap]

I would think the incessant hounding, denoting a high demand would accelerate the R&D process. Apparently not. I suppose slow stick sales alone can justify not hiring more people or investing more money or whatever the problem is. Oh well. I hate to see a great company stagnate like this though. How long has it been since a new GWS aircarft offering has really excited you? C-130? DC-3? It's been years since these were released.

[ARCHER7153]

I have given up on GWS, why show us stuff that won't be out until 2008

[EAMRC]

Or, god forbid, spend some money on consulting here is the U.S. with some of us who know the market and EDF to keep from coming out with half baked product that requires the kind of mods the A-10 did. Not a bash just an observation.

[Hovertime]

Guys - get a life instead of whining, and/or try and design or even try and release something yourself...

[Fiasco]

Or, god forbid, spend some money on consulting here is the U.S. with some of us who know the market and EDF to keep from coming out with half baked product that requires the kind of mods the A-10 did. Not a bash just an observation.

I think the A-10 rocks. Never tried it on stock setup though. But w/ brushless it's a fantastic airplane and a great value.

I'm on #3 and have SG kit #4 in the attic.

[Ben_E]

Guys - get a life instead of whining, and/or try and design or even try and release something yourself...

Hey - they are the proffesionals in this case, we are just customers! Most comanies depend on their customers....

GWS has some prety good products but their history of promising and not delivering is a long one :confused: Customers get tierd of waiting and then they select anoter product - too bad for GWS.

Ben_E

[roccobro]

Guys - get a life instead of whining, and/or try and design or even try and release something yourself...

A little GWS prodding is what I like to think of it as. ;)

As for making your own, I think EAM has a few EDf of their own, and others like Airx and Tres Wright are making their own stuff now. :D They just aren't tooting their horn as loudly and don't have a fan base like those represented here.

Justin

[b7gwap]

I do make my own. I have scratch built an F-4 for twin EDF40s that flies, and am in the middle of scratching an F-20 for EDF 55. I'd still rather GWS come out with something like they said they would. IT's easier and in many cases cheaper to do than scratching, although probably less rewarding.

[GWS4CEO]

Sorry, for the long delayed. :p

There more than 20 new projects only in the midway sitting in GWS RD, spend a lot of my budget, but no one can be on the production lines! :mad:

That's why we had to let some of GWS RDs left GWS who always made new project till the midway, but nothing completed in the after. :o

The new GWS RD team in China factory is getting stronger. We will see those midway projects completed one by one. :)

[62pilot]

Well I still have my a-10, still in good shape, just had to put bigger fans in it. Hey Mr. Lin when I first bought my a-10 the motors never ran and when I tried to get replacments all I got was the run-a-round, the cost of shipping them back to you and two motors that don't run. I've had good luck with GWS in the past and have had several products that flew good, but they dropped the ball on that one.


Tom

[Scoobyvroom]

Sorry, for the long delayed. :p

There more than 20 new projects only in the midway sitting in GWS RD, spend a lot of my budget, but no one can be on the production lines! :mad:

That's why we had to let some of GWS RDs left GWS who always made new project till the midway, but nothing completed in the after. :o

The new GWS RD team in China factory is getting stronger. We will see those midway projects completed one by one. :)


O.k. first off I don't even understand what he is trying to convey. Second the part I do understand makes even less sense.. You have 20 projects?? How about you pick 5 and focus on those to make your consumers who haven't seen anything in 2 years happy. It really seems it dosen't take a genius to figure it out...

C.J.

[bruff]

Guys,
The ME-262, P-38, & P-40 are going to be available through the early bird program in Sept. per Mr. Lin.
Bob

[GIFLYRC]

Hurray!!!, Just in time for winter here in Ohio

Wait, N0-0-0-0-0 worry,

they haven't been on time yet! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Roger aka GIFLYRC

[Scoobyvroom]

Guys,
The ME-262, P-38, & P-40 are going to be available through the early bird program in Sept. per Mr. Lin.
Bob


Mr Lin says this Mr lin says that Mr lin does a whole lot of talking and not enought producing. He also said last september 2005 that jets would be avalible by end of 2005 here it is 6 months past the end of 2005 and no jets..

There are many other threads where Mr lin says stuff and nothing has come true..

C.J.

[bruff]

This is the first time he has given a date for the early bird people to be able to get the noted planes. We will know in Sept.
Bob

[Scoobyvroom]

I'll belive it when I get an E-mail for the Earlybirds....

C.J.

[ARCHER7153]

Don't get left behind in the edf race Mr Lin

[GWS4CEO]

I'll belive it when I get an E-mail for the Earlybirds....

C.J.That's why I am here in Hong Kong airport again, on the way to GWS China! ;)

I need to keep an eye on RD team members to follow the project schedule not to be delayed. :)

I prefer to push them come ealier! :D

[Eljimb0]

I'm thinking this fellow "abhishek_12 " may have been easytiger sneaking back in for a few pot shots???
jimbo

[NCC-1701]

Eljimbo,

Do a quick check on all his posts. Doesn't look like easytiger's style. This is, IMHO, a kid with no home training.

Rob

[meteor]

Sheesh!


GWS does have a pretty good track record at actually making airplanes, rather than a lot of vaporware we've seen in the past from a lot of different start-ups.

They have produced the A-10, B2, and BN-2 as EDF's so far. Pretty decent considering the breadth of their whole product line, and the small market for EDF's.


Personally, I'd like to see a few more non-American WW2 'planes, such as a FW-190, Hurricane, and perhaps a much later Spitfire variant like a Mk. 14/18.

Also, what about a Jug? (The P-47 was a far more relevant 'plane than the P-40)



Keep 'em coming!

[Vintauri]

Sheesh!


GWS does have a pretty good track record at actually making airplanes, rather than a lot of vaporware we've seen in the past from a lot of different start-ups.

They have produced the A-10, B2, and BN-2 as EDF's so far. Pretty decent considering the breadth of their whole product line, and the small market for EDF's.


Personally, I'd like to see a few more non-American WW2 'planes, such as a FW-190, Hurricane, and perhaps a much later Spitfire variant like a Mk. 14/18.

Also, what about a Jug? (The P-47 was a far more relevant 'plane than the P-40)



Keep 'em coming!

They had a good record of producing planes. But for the past couple years everything promised has been as good as vaporware. I do hope they get back on track as even though they need some work to really look the part they do make some inexpensive planes that with the right power setup fly pretty well.

I'd love to see some of the other planes too but the problem is there has to be enough marketability in the odd ball planes for them to tool them out and kit them.

[meteor]

They had a good record of producing planes. But for the past couple years everything promised has been as good as vaporware.


I guess it boils down to the issue that they didn't produce the cool stuff they "promised"!

It's not like they halted introduction of new aircraft for the last two years, they did produce the CargoTrans, DC-3, PT-17, Corsair and others...

They just made some rather odd choices on what to concentrate on (3D, pizzas?), and probably invested a lot of time & effort in the BL motor/ESC arena.


Keep da faith!

[Vintauri]

Most of those planes have been out for two years. Even the investment in the motrs and esc's has been flat. The only ones really availible are the 15 amps esc that is lackluster at best and the lame 2 cell only brushless motor. I'm waiting to see how the other motors fair but with so many other motor makers out there they are about to miss the boat.

The issue for me is that GWS set the bar high and now for the past two years others are stepping up and GWS is slipping back. I'm hoping they get back in the game this year with a few good releases of airplanes like the 262.

[scratchandbash]

I guess it boils down to the issue that they didn't produce the cool stuff they "promised"!

It's not like they halted introduction of new aircraft for the last two years, they did produce the CargoTrans, DC-3, PT-17, Corsair and others...


That's the problem. They produced POPULAR stuff that they thought would sell VOLUME, instead of satisfying us guys who like different stuff like the STUFF THEY PROMISED. That's the bummer. I don't want the DC3, the PT17, or the Corsair. I want the promised jets.
Well anyways, their DC3 did me a little bit of good. I used its wing in a recent FW189 scratch build, and modified A10 replacement parts for the tail section. Their stuff is at least good for my scratch builds now.

Guys,
The ME-262, P-38, & P-40 are going to be available through the early bird program in Sept. per Mr. Lin.
Bob
Straight from the horse's mouth. Well I guess that's good as gold, written in stone. :eek:

[meteor]

Most of those planes have been out for two years.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. The CargoTrans Quad was only in the stores in Feb/Mar. 05, and pretty spotty at that. Same goes for the Corsair...

scratchandbash nailed it with the idea that they're not releasing the stuff you want! :D


I guess the product "teasing" is a little annoying, but I figure that they will produce 'em all someday! (just buy a few spares to cover any discontinuations, like the Wattage EDF's...)

[Vintauri]

I got my corsair in July of 04. The Cargo Trans came out later but thats about it. But as you said the CargoTrans was spotty at best. So even when a product is out it's not really availible.

My point is that GWS is slipping and loosing customers with every month. As I said earlier they set the bar high and now can't even reach it themselves. They need to step it up and get back up there.

[ARCHER7153]

If Eflite shows you a plane you and know it will be out in the next 3 months

[Scoobyvroom]

They just made some rather odd choices on what to concentrate on (3D, pizzas?), and probably invested a lot of time & effort in the BL motor/ESC arena.


Keep da faith!


Hey don't you forget all the other stuff.. Like booney hats... I am looking forward for the release of the GWS cigarette lighter....

CJ

[wab25]

I got all excited about these jets too. However, since GWS doesn't look like it will be producing these jets anytime soon, I have looked around at other companies. Unless something changes soon, (between now and the time I have $180 to blow on a plane ) I will be getting a TeeRific Jet Models F-18. (http://www.teerificjets.com/) These planes are sort of half profile EDF jets, that look great in the air. While GWS makes great planes, I'd rather fly something other than vapor.....

[nubee 1]

All this crying and whining ! I sat and read the whole thread and know no more now than before. OK EXPERTS How does the F4D by
Fan-tastic models fly ? I have hunted for a thread and can't find one. Im into 40mm fans and looking for the right plane. Ken

[Eljimb0]

If you think about what has happened in this hobby with regards to motors and batterys in just the last year..... How could any sane business man finalize a product that should have a production run of five years??? The GWS ducted fan line was designed around brushed motors and dinosaur batterys. Now we have 300-400 watt motors that are smaller than a 300 can motor. Those little orange impellors will vaporize at 400 watts. All the jets that "were" 3 years ago are all gone now... As soon as things stabilize with regards to motor power, battery power and cost new jets will pop up everywhere... and I bet that GWS will lead the way with good looking affordable stuff.
jimbo

[AceMigKiller]

If you think about what has happened in this hobby with regards to motors and batterys in just the last year..... How could any sane business man finalize a product that should have a production run of five years??? The GWS ducted fan line was designed around brushed motors and dinosaur batterys. Now we have 300-400 watt motors that are smaller than a 300 can motor. Those little orange impellors will vaporize at 400 watts. All the jets that "were" 3 years ago are all gone now... As soon as things stabilize with regards to motor power, battery power and cost new jets will pop up everywhere... and I bet that GWS will lead the way with good looking affordable stuff.
jimbo

DUDE!!!! I HAD THAT DREAM TOO!!!!!

(No personal offense to you, just thought a little humor would do this thread some good :p )

[wab25]

If you think about what has happened in this hobby with regards to motors and batterys in just the last year..... How could any sane business man finalize a product that should have a production run of five years??? The GWS ducted fan line was designed around brushed motors and dinosaur batterys. Now we have 300-400 watt motors that are smaller than a 300 can motor. Those little orange impellors will vaporize at 400 watts. All the jets that "were" 3 years ago are all gone now... As soon as things stabilize with regards to motor power, battery power and cost new jets will pop up everywhere... and I bet that GWS will lead the way with good looking affordable stuff.
jimbo
TeeRific Jets and Fan-Tastic figured out how to make some nice jets, with the latest batteries and motors. I was hoping that if we all started talking about the alternatives to GWS jets that are available, it may light a fire under GWS to get these things going. And if not, those of us waiting would know where else to look.

[Eljimb0]

TeeRific Jets and Fan-Tastic figured out how to make some nice jets, with the latest batteries and motors. I was hoping that if we all started talking about the alternatives to GWS jets that are available, it may light a fire under GWS to get these things going. And if not, those of us waiting would know where else to look.


I don't want no pretty paint on flat sheets... or depron angels.. gimee that injected beer cooler stuff.. I can crash and fix that stuff like I was michaelangelo..
jimbo

The world is waiting for a sureflight style P-80..

[wab25]

I don't want no pretty paint on flat sheets... or depron angels.. gimee that injected beer cooler stuff.. I can crash and fix that stuff like I was michaelangelo..
jimbo

The world is waiting for a sureflight style P-80..
I am with you on not liking profile planes much. But your argument was that the motors and batteries were changing too fast do design a new plane. I was merely pointing out that other companies have no problems designing new planes. And if GWS doesn't want to produce the planes I want, I'll go somewhere else.

[MikeBiv]

Come on guys, GWS is too busy making PINK and BABY BLUE radios to worry about this stuff.

[ARCHER7153]

I heard they were hot sellers

[ARCHER7153]

GWS fighter JETs will come start by the end of 2005. :)

See:GWS at 2005 Taipei Aero-Space and Defence industry show.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403003

F15 with twin EDF55s. Price in USA will be similar to our A10. Basic kit ( in white and without motor ) price in USA will be less then $60 include twin EDF55 duct fan units less motors.


M2000 with a single EDF75. Basic kit ( in white and without motor ) price in USA will be less then $40 include EDF75 duct fan unit less motor.

Since I believe that you had a lot of your own favorite high performance motors!? :rolleyes:
Ha ha ha

[EAGLESTRIKE 1]

is it possable that gws realized that thier fan units are the problem with the new line of jets ....talk about missing the boat... how long has it been???

[ARCHER7153]

is it possable that gws realized that thier fan units are the problem with the new line of jets ....talk about missing the boat... how long has it been???


Missing the boat they never made it to the port.

[wab25]

At least they could release the slope version, without the fans. How many of us actually use the stock power systems anyway? I think most of the customers will buy the plane, chuck the power system and use their favorite fan set up, no matter what power system GWS includes.

[Thomas B]

Nothing wrong with the GWS fans..they are great with the right brushless power.

And the A-10 is a really nice design..does great on twin fans and a power upgrade.

the foam is a little delicate, but still a great starting point for a discerning modeler...

GWS basically does all fuselages in injection molded foam...hard to really make that light enough for single brushed EDF.

I still think they could do it if they put their mind to it..

[scratchandbash]

Originally Posted by GWS4CEO:
GWS fighter JETs will come start by the end of 2005.


2007's coming soon.

[Scoobyvroom]

Wow!! only 8 months off.. and counting..

Chris.

[FASTBEN]

ok enough talke where are the jets???????????lets go back to work and get them ready,U S $$$$$$$$$$$$ are waiting.

[wab25]

Actually, my dollars are not waiting. My dollars are going to another company, for their EDF jets. I would prefer to get them from GWS, but as GWS is stalling, my dollars will go else where.

[Tanguy&Laverdure]

During the last 3 months X-Flight engineered more edf jets than GWS... Let me laugh :D

[Thomas B]

During the last 3 months X-Flight engineered more edf jets than GWS... Let me laugh :D

Yet another case of the fact that not all foamies are created equal.

I like the X-flight stuff, but they are each hand made with cheap labor in Asia. There is not all that much engineering or production design involved, compared to a detailed and fully molded model like GWS produces.

Plus, they are typically not powered by GWS fans.

[Vintauri]

Yet another case of the fact that not all foamies are created equal.

I like the X-flight stuff, but they are each hand made with cheap labor in Asia. There is not all that much engineering or production design involved, compared to a detailed and fully molded model like GWS produces.

Plus, they are typically not powered by GWS fans.


I'll take X-flights handcut models over the injection molded crap that GWS puts out. I like GWS because it's cheap but I would never say there is detail in the GWS kits.

The fact remains that X-flight has deleivered planes when the demand was there for them. They hyped a product and got it out the door instead of telling us to hold onto our wallets for over 2 years or we'll be sorry we spent our money.

[wab25]

Yet another case of the fact that not all foamies are created equal.

I like the X-flight stuff, but they are each hand made with cheap labor in Asia. There is not all that much engineering or production design involved, compared to a detailed and fully molded model like GWS produces.

Plus, they are typically not powered by GWS fans.

The point is, the X-flight stuff IS MADE, and IS AVAILABLE.

Plus, typically, most GWS planes are not powered by GWS power systems...

[EAGLESTRIKE 1]

Do you think that gws does not take advantage of cheap labor ?

[Thomas B]

No one is say that GWS does not take advantage of cheap labor.

If you think the engineering design work and tooling up for a truely mass produced kit that is professionally distributed and on the shelves of thousands of hobby shops around the world is the same and hacking out a few hundred or even a couple of thousand EPS foam EDF models for mostly direct sales, you have another think coming.

I have no issue with the X-Flight at all..I think it is a neat product and predict I will end up with one. However, the hand carved/hot wired foam approach tends to limit production quanities and we are highly unlikely to see X-Flight models on as many shelves as we see GWS models. Molding is a LOT less labor intensive.

A true mass market kit effort is couple of orders or magnitude larger in scope of work than what X-flight is doing.

[MattinAZ]

Thomas B,

Agreed, alot more effort and capital goes into the first airframe produced by a mold as compared to hand cut. But the design/engineering of the product is the hard and time consuming part. Once you have a working prototype you hand the individual pcs off to a Mold Maker and the molds are engineered by the mold maker not the product designer.

Most mold makers even in China are engineering and building the molds from 3D CAD. If you have a working prototype you can take that model and have it plotted in 3D and exported out to the mold design software. Have had clients of mine show me some truley amazing processes.

Had one engineer design a bycicle in Solid Works, export the individual parts directly to a machine (forgot the name) that "grows" them from a "plastic" solution kind of like 3D printing and within a week he was riding the bike around the office. They are using more permanent prototyping materials. Way cool.

Anyway my money is on GWS is exiting the market for new products because of a much more lucrative contract for "something else" When money calls, you call back.

If they keep queit and keep selling what they already have it just becomes a Cash Cow. If they announce that the are doing something outside of RC and focusing on it, I think they would loss future sales of their Cash Cow products.

Matt

Matt

[FASTBEN]

why i cant get on xflights site,my computer will not allow me to go to it.?????
ben

[Tanguy&Laverdure]

A true mass market kit effort is couple of orders or magnitude larger in scope of work than what X-flight is doing.

Yes I understand. But anyway, process at GWS is too long. Especially for a big Chinese company as them.

[scratchandbash]

Yes I understand. But anyway, process at GWS is too long. Especially for a big Chinese company as them.

Got to keep this thread going to haunt Lin into making these jets. :eek:
Why is this thread a YIPPEE, I thought is should be a RANT. :mad: :eek:

T&L, I'm convinced there is no process. They call hand sculpted planes "prototypes".

Definition of prototype (Bill's def): A pre-production model that is 100% DOCUMENTED at all stages of development, so that at any time it can be 100% reproduced.

This goes against his defensive claim about a proto being stolen from a trade show, killing the project. I joked that it was the only way the thief would ever get one, so you can't blame him. :eek:

Realistically, it would be a waste of time to start with CAD development, companies that do this tend to just go ahead an make the CAD designed plane, whether it is any good or not. They have so much time/effort in the CAD development, that they don't want to revise/rework/start over, when the actual prototype sucks. :eek: Prime example is Wattage Corsair (not jet, but best example).

On the other hand, if GWS actually did bother to CAD model a good prototype, they could put it into production quite quickly. We all know how well mfg can automate the CAD-to-tooling-to-production process. I designed with 3D ProE for 6 years. I (or anybody for that matter) could have modeled a good prototype in solid model CAD in little time. Since GWS has so many common designs, they could quickly be retrieved, such as common components, and cut features for components. That really saves time in solid modelling.

What i don't understand is that they still have come out with a few things since, that we don't want. Low end bl motors/ESCs, C-130s, low power lipos, etc. We want the jets.

Just my thoughts,

Bill

[keven64]

...and I agree entirely !

I am also of the opinion that there are nothing but hand built models.

Look at the GWS forum - Mr. Lin loves to post pictures...

Of the offices, of the injection moulding machines, of the tooling, of the parts being packed, of model parts piled for packing into boxes...

Were there the tools to mould parts for GWS jets, he would surely have posted pictures ( with comments about them not being ready yet ! ;) ) - that would have been seen - and commented upon - by at least a few of the modellers that frequent this 'jet' forum... :D

Am I wrong, Mr. Lin ?

Keven. :)

[Scoobyvroom]

It's kind of hard to, as another E-zoner put it, fly "vaporware". Get in line after the P-38 we've only waited 2 years.. Heck we have seen pictures of the 38, granted that was almost 3 years ago..

Chris

[keven64]

In post #8, Tommy D asked
Would that mean these jets will be out BEFORE both the P-40 & P-38?? :rolleyes:I guess that question still applies today ? :D

( Much faster to make your own scratch-built models than wait for the GWS jets I think... ;) )

Keven. :)

[keven64]

GWS4CEO said - on Feb 16, 2005 - in this thread (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278034)
During WW-II, P40 in China help a lot to against Jap! :)

But GWS P40 will better performance than a real one performed! :DI'll bet the Chinese wre glad that those P-40's arrived sooner than the GWS model...! ;)

Seriously, c'mon Mr. Lin, what is the latest with your new releases ?

Keven. :)

[MattinAZ]

"I'll bet the Chinese wre glad that those P-40's arrived sooner than the GWS model...! "


Kevin, thats a good one :D

[boltor]

Please don't take offence, but why is everyone so caught up with the whole GWS jet thing - we have so many choices now (some with far better build quality than GWS), I'm not sure why anyone would wait for a company to deliver on vapourware. I would have thought that you would simply decide that it is time to get an F-18, F-14, F-86 whatever... and then buy the best kit (price point, performance point, etc).

In other words, GWS don't seem to be delivering new kits - don't worry, plenty of other choice out there... have I missed something (or is it a loyalty thing with GWS?)

[scratchandbash]

Please don't take offence, but why is everyone so caught up with the whole GWS jet thing - we have so many choices now (some with far better build quality than GWS), I'm not sure why anyone would wait for a company to deliver on vapourware. I would have thought that you would simply decide that it is time to get an F-18, F-14, F-86 whatever... and then buy the best kit (price point, performance point, etc).

In other words, GWS don't seem to be delivering new kits - don't worry, plenty of other choice out there... have I missed something (or is it a loyalty thing with GWS?)

Because they are good generic airframes for those who like to build foamies the way they like, and not spend a million bucks.
I take a GWS and start with carbon fiber spar and rod reinfocements. Then iron-on cover the wings. Detail with my own scheme. GWS kits are not ARFs, but they are not lengthly builds. ARFs offer little mod ability, without hacking it. Balsa and glass kits can require extensive fabricating, and don't handle abuse as well as foam.

As much as we call GWS on their unkept promises, there are many who actually agree with my statements, or they would not be selling planes. Most people who laugh at GWS planes, secretly have a bunch. :eek:
They can be buillt into very good planes.

Part number II of this discussion is that we want AS MANY PLANES OUT THERE AS POSSIBLE. :eek: There is NO SUCH THING as too many planes to choose from. All modelers seem to agree with this, or they wouldn't have the 25+ planes that I and they all own. ...and we're always wanting yet another. :eek:

That's probably about the best answers I've ever given to any post. :D

Bill

[nubee 1]

For those that don't understand why we like GWS go back to EJF Big F(oamy)A18 and read post # 27. $1,340 for a power supply is hard to do with a GWS plane that you can have just as much fun with. All of us don't have that kind of $. :cool: Ken

[Vintauri]

I have to agree with Scratch on this on. We like the basic chea airframe to either just slap together or to mod in our own ways.

We complain because recently and not so recently there has been a lot of hype with little to show. It gets tiring to be shown something really cool but then not be able to actually purchase it for years.

Steve

[scratchandbash]

For those that don't understand why we like GWS go back to EJF Big F(oamy)A18 and read post # 27. $1,340 for a power supply is hard to do with a GWS plane that you can have just as much fun with. All of us don't have that kind of $. :cool: Ken
DIG 'DAT!! :D


Thanks for the constructive comments too Vinnie. Its really not a negative thing. We just want unlimited model subject chices, so no carrot waving! :eek:


I am also of the opinion that there are nothing but hand built models.

Look at the GWS forum - Mr. Lin loves to post pictures...

Of the offices, of the injection moulding machines, of the tooling, of the parts being packed, of model parts piled for packing into boxes...

Were there the tools to mould parts for GWS jets, he would surely have posted pictures ( with comments about them not being ready yet ! ;) ) - that would have been seen - and commented upon - by at least a few of the modellers that frequent this 'jet' forum... :D

Am I wrong, Mr. Lin ?

Keven. :)
At one point they did go as far a showing color renderings of a model jet on paper, that appeared to be 3D Cad models, but could have been anything. :eek: They didn't show a ProE or Solid Works screen, with multiple views of a real, manufacturable CAD design, with GWS design flavor to prove authenticity. I too am tired of seeing lab photos with Beavers and Pico sticks on the bench. If their guys are still playing around with those planes, well then there's part of the problem. In reality, they are just stand-ins. :eek: Gotta have something up there in the pic.

Bill

[f-22 maniac]

wait, no jets?

[FASTBEN]

pu.......

[Ralph Brekan]

I got a foam GWS Jet! Early Bird special!
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=559103

[wab25]

You got me all excited there for a minute. Do they have more planes?

[scratchandbash]

I got a foam GWS Jet! Early Bird special!
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=559103

Ralph, don't disappear on me man. :eek: Do you have the FW190 in stock now?
Saw it in the website.
Bill

[FASTBEN]

i think that can be moded for 2 micro fan 2 1320 20-30c,little play and it can look nice.
ben

[Ralph Brekan]

It was a joke.... But aero-nuts has the plane in stock!

http://www.aero-fever.com/index.php?cPath=3&sort=3a&page=2&action=buy_now&products_id=129

I did get an "early bird" email about the twin engine P38 Lightning being ready to ship. Will come in either a twin BL or twin brushed kit (painted silver) or a slope version (unpainted).

[scratchandbash]

It was a joke.... But aero-nuts has the plane in stock!

http://www.aero-fever.com/index.php?cPath=3&sort=3a&page=2&action=buy_now&products_id=129

I did get an "early bird" email about the twin engine P38 Lightning being ready to ship. Will come in either a twin BL or twin brushed kit (painted silver) or a slope version (unpainted).

Ralph, I think you misread my post. I was asking about your FW-190 that you are finally showing in stock.

When I first saw your post, I thought you were saying that it was a joke, that your website is showing the FW190 in stock. I'm a bit leery to purchase under those terms. :eek:

Bill

[Thomas B]

Looks like the GWS dam is starting to leak some jets out at last, now that the factory in mainland China that has been absorbing so much effort is up and running.

I like the looks of the U-2R/TR-1....it is not perfect, but looks save-able...;)

The canopy is sadly wrong and I hate that fixed main gear fairing.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=560840

Mr Lin is predicting the U-2R by the end of the year...hey.,.it COULD happen, now that the factory is up and running in China.

Even the Me-262 is looking ok, based on the pics on this page.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=496067&page=6&pp=15

[nubee 1]

Thomas B
Im with you on the funky gear cover. I would rather see about 1/3
of a wheel sticking out. Or none at all. But I really hope they come out soon.
Ken

[Tram]

Kinda odd Mr. Lin hasn't posted in this thread yet..

[Thomas B]

Kinda odd Mr. Lin hasn't posted in this thread yet..


Proving yet again that no one reads the threads...;)

Mr. Lin made the very first post in this thread for sure, plus perhaps some others, as I recall...:)

[nubee 1]

He does a good job keeping us on the edge of our seats. Huh

Ken

[EAGLESTRIKE 1]

I have been waiting so long on the edge of my seat it now leans to one side and I fall off...

[scratchandbash]

Kinda odd Mr. Lin hasn't posted in this thread yet..
The bummer is that he just doesn't seem to care to converse on the forums. He'll answer a post or two, just to appear to be an active member or something, and then disses out.

Bill

[ARCHER7153]

lets all go to the GWS forum and ask him whats going on

[spudandretti]

Deleted my rambling. Don't help anyhow.

[rcguy01]

Hint: Global marketing is VERY big, especially in China ;)

[spudandretti]

Hint: Global marketing is VERY big, especially in China ;)
No use in fighting progress :D

[rdeis]

He's gotten a pretty hostile reception in much of this thread. (Not entirely undeserved, but still..)

I don't expect him back until he's got products near release- look for him to be touting the J-10 the end of the year. In the GWS forum there's noise about U2 and 262, but neither of those are the modern fighter jets he started the thread to discuss.