Best CRASH picture <------- #1

[genovia]

What do you guys do when you crash you plane? Throw it away, or keep it for repairs. Mine crashed, it's balsa what should I do.

Do you guys keep a pic of your crashed plane?

[Basketcase]

Yes of course, we want pictures! :D We love carnage!! :D

I've seen in a couple of threads where when nothing is left but the tail people have mounted it on a plaque on the wall like a hunting trophy. :p

Sorry to hear about your plane. Which one was it? Not the Cub?

[genovia]

BC,

Yesterday I was a happy old kid, now I'm an upset old fool. The winds was high, soooooo what? I did it yesterday (fighting with the wind) I did again today this mornings flight was awesome. I flew from 7:30am to 11:05am. I left the field for I didn't pack lunch this morning and the rest of the guys was going to have lunch and go home. Took one Picture of a succesfull flight, thinking that I have post enough Picture in this thread and there's no need of more postings.

Here's the shot from this mornings flight.

[genovia]

Came back after lunch wind was blowing 12mph and blowing some more. Who cares.....

[genovia]

The Cub VS. Mother Nature. Mother nature scored 2points ----12pm

[genovia]

Man that SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:( I don't think anybody can beat this crash :D

[Rivethead]

I just started flying in January and I kept all my broken planes. I was hoping to get a Digital camera soon and get some pictures for you guys. I have about 6 that will never fly again. I scrounge parts and look how something was built. I hang them on the wall above my workbench.

Rivethead

[genovia]

One more, the cause from my stupidity:mad:

[Doc Data]

1 Parkflyer...
http://www.mustangone.com/MySailPlanes/RobbeCrash.jpg
2 others...
http://www.mustangone.com/MySailPlanes/XenathWreck2.jpg
http://www.mustangone.com/MySailPlanes/tr2.jpg
dd.

[genovia]

Hey, now I actually feel good:) Man, that's a crash all right:(

[cfossa]

Genovia,

I've seen plenty of balsa planes crash ... and that doesn't look too bad ;) . What is is covered in? It's best for repairs if it is an iron on covering like monokote, and not just sticky "shelf paper." You should be able to peel off the covering, fabricate some replacement parts out of balsa, glue it back together, and re-cover it. You might have some trouble matching the yellow if it's not the same brand covering.

That one definitely looks flyable again. Good luck!

Carl

[Piper]

Genovia,

Doesn't look too bad. :D Seriously though, you can buy a replacement wing set for the Cub from Hobbypeople in CA. It looks like the fuse, stab, and rudder are all in one piece. Go for the new wing set and you'll have her back up in no time.:)

[genovia]

I have put her back together, but I haven't put her back with the tail glued in place, that's a task, to do. I can replicate the balsa. My main concern is the Firewall. The shaft is busted up in pieces.

Man OOOO man!!!

This is what I'm looking at:

[genovia]

I don't have any idea on how in the world, I am to do this:(

[genovia]

I wanna take the Tail cover as well, How hard is it to cover the tail? Any suggestions? Firewall. I should just cut it and redo it, right? What do you guys think?

Piper, Can spend anymore money. I am saving for the switchback..:D

[die fleidermaus]

RIVETHEAD...

I read yer book.

[Comatose]

Hey, that looks like one of my better landings...

Seriously, though, that's not a bad crash at all. Being the crazy fool that I am (and also never having owned an airplane above a pound, moved here from FF) I would have tried to field repair that. Carry with you: fast and medium CA, scotch tape and one razor blade. One piece of 1/8th inch balsa sheet in the car helps too.

Open up an incision near where the break is, place it back together and hit it with fast CA. medium if the damage is too great. do a field fab on any totaled parts from 1/8th balsa. tape the incision back together and go flying again

That's hardly a damaged plane. I can still identify it as something that flew before...

[Fred Bronk]

This is a TOC plane that was attemping a takeoff in a crosswind. It would not turn into the wind (No CR Props!) and flipped over. It is IC, and was beautiful and EVERYTHING worked!
I jusmped out of the way and it ended up where I was standing.

By the way, this topic has nothing to do with Parkflyers, so it is going over to open.

[genovia]

Ay, yay-yay!!! that must ta hurt:( sorry, man!!! I'm glad I'm not into bigger planes yet..

[Mark Wolf]

I don't think anybody can beat this crash

Ok, I'll try. Last summer I crashed both my all composite Astro 020 brushless powered FVK Corsair and my S400 powered Jim Ryan Corsair within 10 minutes of each other...

http://home.indy.rr.com/markwolf/images/crash.JPG

Top that. :D

[RookieOne]

After a 100 meters nose dive without wings. We've to dig 20 centimeters to find the motor.

Wings came 30 seconds after the crash !!!

Thanks my God this was not my plane.

[Martin Hunter]

here's the plaque basketcase was talking about... this used to be a super hots

[Martin Hunter]

and the post-crash... neatly arranged, of course

[Trizza]

oh man... Dreamer's wins so far

[Doc Data]

Originally posted by Dreamer
and the post-crash... neatly arranged, of course

Why on earth would you take the time to organized that many pieces? Hey! Do you work for the FAA?;)

dd.

[Tarpon Shawn]

Holy Smokes!

My plane is currently in a small box in my garage. The crash was pretty bad, but what was worse I stumbled as I approached the plane and I stepped on it. It's amazing how much damage a size 13 boot can do to a foam aircraft.

[Martin Hunter]

doc, no, but I wanted to see just what it would look like. Call it sick curiousity :D This was the result of recovering "right" instead of "left" out of a knife edge circle and pulling "up" while inverted 20 feet off the ground at full throttle......... all this in front of a few hundred people at a full scale airshow (safe distance, of course)

[Patrick Plawner]

If crash videos count in the contest, then I have my JR mosquito one to propose...

Go to "Videos", on my web site.

[DBCherry]

Dreamer,
Now THAT looks more like the crash damage I'm used to seeing! :D Until you've punched in a slimer at full throttle, you don't know crash damage! :eek:

[Basketcase]

Hi Dreamer, that's the one! Thanks for posting it again. Sorry I wasn't able to find the original and give you the credit earlier.

Oooh, that Hots looks bad! :p

BC

[Martin Hunter]

here's a testimony for the hots... I loved that airplane sooooo much (it had over 300 flights on it from the previous owner and 150 from me) that the very same week I totalled it, I went out and paid $150 (cdn) for the last remaining local discontinued kit. Also, when I bought the switchback I was hoping performance would be like a mini-super hots... it is! So there you go... two product plugs in one! lol I love these planes :)

[DBCherry]

I can understand your wanting a second one. It's kind of like losing a close friend when you stuff one that flys real well. :(

[Martin Hunter]

ok genovia... to make you feel not so bad. At least you crashed it while flying.

Years ago when I was into competition aerobatics, I flew a Carl Goldberg Extra 300 with an OS 1.20 slimer 4 stroke on the nose. I had won a few things with it and was really really comfortable with how she flew. On the way up to another competition (locally, I might add) the crash happened. We had weighted down the wing in the pickup bed, but surely a 9 lb fuselage won't need weight, right? It'll never move! Sure enough, it flew out doing only about 35 mph. It wasn't hurt bad, but bad enough not to fly for a while... cracks here and there, including stab a fin which got it worst of all. Broken prop, broken custom fiberglass cowling. In retrospect, it was a good lesson, just like all crashes... but man did I feel stupid :rolleyes:

[genovia]

I actually feel good now. I'm in the first phase of CPR my Cub to life. All the cover is off. Finally made a battery hatch. Dang!!!problem that I have is, How in the world should I cover the tail, with it glued to the airplane.... Okay, I did it before, I think, I can do it again.....

[genovia]

Hey guys,

What's the best technique in cover a plane with a tail glued in place?

genovia

[Pierre Audette]

Do the corners with a narrow strip first, then cover the entire surface. Either that, or paint the corners first the same color as the covering.

[Piper]

From the looks of it, I think it's fixable....always better to try. Besides. it's a whole lot easier on the wallet.
As for repairs, i would not remove the firewall completely. I would take a small router bit or side cutting bit on a dremel tool and carefully remove the bass wood engine mounts. Cut and slide new ones in the wholes and slap some epoxy on.:D

[2wise4gas]

My friends custom Delta wing. .32 heli engine... wide open... straight down...

All he said was: did you see that? 8-)

[genovia]

i would not remove the firewall completely

I already did:( hehehehe. Man, now you tell me. Piper can I get the firewall measurements from you, if it possible? the hole and all.

Thanks, Man.

[Piper]

Sure. Give me a day or so.

[DBCherry]

Do the corners with a narrow strip first Yes, for covering attached surfaces, like Pierre said, use a narrow strip then cover the rest of the surface.

[genovia]

Thanks for the strip picture. Well, guys. I got all of the old covering off the Cub. Now it's time to glue the broken parts.

I got the wings glued last night, woke up 4:30am and covered the damaged wings. WOW!! I think, I will hit the field this weekend. I sound like an addict. I think I am turning into one.

I don't care, I love this hobby.

[ScottS]

I doubt that I win any awards, but here is my "best" day
Mid-aired the LT-25 with a gas plane. Took off the motor and gear, and creased one wing spar. Then bungee launched the picojet combat, I think one servo was stripped before launch, it rolled right into the ground after coming off the ramp. The bungee then smacked it along the ground into many pieces.

Both have since been repaired and flown again.

[Rogerdoger]

Rebuild that thing!

Before I did almost anything toward building the kit, I put the parts through my scanner. I also have many digital pics of the Cub in various stages of rebuilding.

I made the body about 1/2" longer, and added balsa to the sides of the fuse where you hold the plane to hand launch. I always worried that I would break something just holding it.

If you have a dremel tool, the plywood will be easy to rebuild.

Clear off a spot and get going,

Rogerdoger

[Rogerdoger]

You might be able to use this pic to print and then scale a new part.

Rogerdoger

[Rogerdoger]

For some reason this did not go with the previous reply. :(

Rogerdoger

[Rogerdoger]

The size and lines of the nose do not change until the cowling. If you have some parts of the ply, you can reproduce the firewall that way too.

Rogerdoger

[Rogerdoger]

Genovia,

I chose to not recover the whole plane. I did not want to spend the $ to cover the whold thing. She is a "standout." :o

It can be rebuilt, go for it!

Rogerdoger

[genovia]

Wow, Rodger, that looks like a fine recovery.

I have a question though. I need the measurements on the firewall. both in and the outter wall. I stripped her bare naked.

[DanSavage]

Before...

http://www.allaboutguppys.com/supgup/guppy33.jpg

After...

http://www.allaboutguppys.com/supgup/guppy08.jpg

Dan

[Rogerdoger]

genovia,

I will get the Cub off the wall and get it done for you.

Question - Where do you fly? That field looks so nice.

Rogerdoger

[Vonbaron]

Ouch. What happened to the Guppy?

[genovia]

N. California, Fremont. In the back of a Museum. Where I work as a Volunteer. A place where they stage revolutionary war recreations. Only a few that fly's here (electric) 15 the most, a haven for Free flight folks, but there way up in the morning and only fly's once a month. There is a runway, but covered with grass. Hopefully when they cut the grass, we can take off from it.

[Rogerdoger]

genovia,

I hope this picture is helpful to you. The numbers may be small. Let me know if this is not helpful. The offset is the reason for the angle in the prop adapter.

What a neat place! I'm sure flying there is very relaxing. It may be worth the trip to just be in that open space.

Rogerdoger

[genovia]

Roger,

WOW!! thanks a mill. that was a great job and a speedy reply. You don't happend to like the Cub do you? I'm in the process of putting the firewall together, printed out your picture, and she will be up again this weekend.

I noticedyour ESC what kind is that? and are you using 9x4's or 8x4 props?

Thank you so much RodgerDoger.

[Rogerdoger]

Genovia,

I am pleased that the pic was helpful. The Cub was the very first electric for me to own. It took a while to get the CG right and a bigger battery pack. It would just get into the air and hang. It now has a 400 in it with a 7 X 4.5" prop.

The Wattage ESC that I got with the model was defective, but I was new and did not know what was wrong. The ESC is a ZAGI. I could buy it at the LHS. It got me going without waiting for an order.

Did you understand what I was talking about with the four corner stringers? That will add strength and does not add much weight if you select hard balsa for those four and really light on all the others.

Take Care,

Rogerdoger

[Rogerdoger]

Genovia,

This shows the way I put the fuse back together. The four corner stringers guide the rear of the fuse onto the front of the fuse. The top two serve to keep the wing and stab. level. Just fit and glue.

You can also see that I took a lot out of the tail. I could balance the RX gear later, so I cut. There is a lot of excess siding in the fuse just under the stab. Cut that too.

Rogerdoger

[DanSavage]

Originally posted by Vonbaron
Ouch. What happened to the Guppy?

It crashed.

Dan

[Patrick Plawner]

What a beautiful Guppy !!!!!

Pretty sad to see the "After" one. Did you repair it already, does it fly now ?


What motor system did you use ? do you have some data on the whole project as this looks so nice and interesting.

[DanSavage]

Originally posted by patrick421
What a beautiful Guppy !!!!!

Pretty sad to see the "After" one. Did you repair it already, does it fly now ?


What motor system did you use ? do you have some data on the whole project as this looks so nice and interesting.

Thanks. No, it's long gone. It was repaired and flew several times after that photo was taken. My brother Daren and I built it in the mid-90's.

Check: www.allaboutguppys.com for more info on the design and development of the model.

Dan

[Tim H.]

Bad day in Bug Town

Tim H.

[Tim H.]

pic 1

[Tim H.]

pic 2

[genovia]

Hey Tim! Is that you in front of the wounded bird?

[genovia]

Rodger,

The Crash was a good thing, cause I came up with an idea of building a door, as a batter hatch, but I don't have any Idea's for a lock to the door yet:confused:

[genovia]

here's the pic rodger

[All__talk]

I really hate that I have something to post here now :( , full story at

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=323765#post323765

Gary

[Martin Hunter]

Gary, I feel your pain... but you have to admit, you know it's a good crash when you shatter your spinner! I've accomplished that with aluminum as well :D

[Tim H.]

Originally posted by genovia
Hey Tim! Is that you in front of the wounded bird?

Nope... But if I did that to what I fly, my boss would be pretty pissed. I think the FAA would have a few questions for me too...

Tim H.

[knight of Ni]

Well, I (unfortunately :( :rolleyes: ) can ad my 2 cents worth. Tis happened to my trainer on about my 25th flight back in August. I'm almost done with the new and improved version.

[knight of Ni]

The walk of shame (cross feild)

[genovia]

Knight,

Let your son fly it:D just kidding, let your DAD show you. JK. again.

Who's, who. OHHHHH!!!!! now I see, the one that's wearing a frown., that's the way to crash Sir Kight.:D

[pgleesonuk]

How about this one!

All the expensive bits survived, and the wing and tail section were basically undamaged, apart from some tears in the covering.

All repaired now and flying just as good as before :-)
(maybe a few grams lighter)

Paul

[Martin Hunter]

Originally posted by pgleesonuk
All repaired now and flying just as good as before :-)
(maybe a few grams lighter)

Paul

Paul, how the blankety blank did you get it lighter after repairs? All of my planes gain in the area of 10 to 25% more weight through getting repaired!

[Viper Pilot]

Nice job, Dreamer. Best rekitting job I've ever seen. I'll give you a 9.9 ;) ;) ;) .

VP

[Martin Hunter]

I found, while searching for something entirely different, a different perspective of the carnage of my super hots crash. Please note that in this kit, 90% of the fuselage is 1/8 light ply!!!!

[pgleesonuk]

Originally posted by Dreamer


Paul, how the blankety blank did you get it lighter after repairs? All of my planes gain in the area of 10 to 25% more weight through getting repaired!

Oops, I meant heavier, but not by much

Paul

[Patrick Plawner]

Dreamer,


very interesting picture. Looks like an historical excavation.


From which century, BC, is this from ?

:)

[Martin Hunter]

it felt like a dig too when I had to retrieve the engine down a foot and a half in the dirt :D

[Pierre Audette]

No picture here, so you'll have to visualize the carnage. I was flying my sport 400 last weekend on 8 cells. It was acting tail heavy, and rather than land the sucker right away, I decided to keep going. I eventually lost control of it over a wooded area. Heard this loud crackling sound from some distance away, which makes you wonder if it's balsa or tree limbs being snapped.

After a 5 minutes search I found all the pieces, which looked like a total write-off. The wing came off, with the mounting bolt plate, and was virtually undamaged. The fuse from the nose to LE was in 4 pieces, and a good chunck of the tail snapped off and crushed. The only thing I didn't recover was the elevator rod.

I got home, and for the sadistic pleasure of doing an autopsy, I proceeded to put the jig saw puzzle back together. It wasn't that bad after all, and didn't require too much new balsa. It took some considerable amount of lightweight spackle to smooth our the wrinkles tough. I just need to check the servo gears, but it looks like it may fly again. I've gone through this scenario on this plane so many times, I've lost track, although I've re-christened the plane now as the 'glue stick'. So the question is: when do you give up repairing a plane that flies fine. I've given up on planes that were marginal flyers, and although it gets heavier everytime, it seems just easier to glue the bits & pieces back than starting from scratch.

[DBCherry]

So the question is: when do you give up repairing a plane that flies fine. When it no longer flys fine of course. ;)

[Frank]

My fairly new MicroBipe bit the dust hard last night. It was fast, but duration stunk. Minute one was "wow, good roll", minute two usually was just hanging on, minute three was decision time, do I land with power or deadstick it on. My mistake was flying inverted at the end of minute two. Ran out of altitude, airspeed and ideas all at the same time. Stalled it and barely rolled it upright before it augered in. The weak gear mount gave way, gear folded aft and punched through the leading edge, covering and spars of the right wing and basically shredded the whole structure. The only good news is that it made the radio gear available for my almost-finished Herr Pitts.

[genovia]

***My mistake was flying inverted at the end of minute two. Ran out of altitude, airspeed and ideas all at the same time. Stalled it and barely rolled it upright before it augered in. The weak gear mount gave way, gear folded aft and punched through the leading edge, covering and spars of the right wing and basically shredded the whole structure. ***

Sounds like a well, managed crash Frank:p

Flew my Cub early this month, before I broke my good launching arm. I was setting it up for a warm up. Two guys for the field that I fly too, came over, curios Heli. guys, and asked me about Eflight airplanes. Blah.blah,blah.......

Time to fly. One guy squatting not far from me, and another guys beside him. Give the Cub a good, energetic hand launch...... WELLLL... DArnessss thing, forgot to check the trim on the elev. it was a bit up, the Cub went vertical:p Tried to correct it, holding to dear Cub.......... AHHH... Made a loop in low alt. right click and it went somewhat straight down to the guys, that was squatting down beside me, and nose to the dirt first right beside him. I dashed for cover.

Lucky,luck,lucky let me tell ya!! This time, I am glad that the Cub was the only one broken, and not poke through the other guys head:(

My Cub is dead, and the guys is luck, and so am I:)

[Tony Oliver]

Dreamer, I was interested in your pic of the bits of fuselage 'made from liteply'. It made me think of my current beef about poor construction methods and materials.
It really is a very unsuitable material for anything needing strength other than more rigidity compared with balsa. Unfortunately many kit, and most RTF models appear to be built with liteply in large proportions. It's easier to work than ply, is more 'dingproof' than balsa, and is relatively cheap to buy in large sheets, and it's light.
If you look closely at, say, 1/8th liteply you see two outer skins of 1/32 or less with the grain used along the fuselage, and one layer in between of maybe 1/16th (or more) with the grain at 90 deg to the outer. As the inner has no real strength (would you rely on a 1/16th balsa fus. with all the grain vertical?) , and the glue joint poor, you are left with two sheets of less than 1/32 each running along the fuselage. I know the arguments about 'the Mosquito was built like that' but this is a different situation. Would you confidently expect a model with 1/16th sheet sides to survive anything but a smooth landing every time?
I built a model (Flair Volture) which used this method - to compound the problems, it had locating slots cut in the liteply for formers to be located by liteply tongues. This model was so fragile that after a number of repairs after fairly normal landings on grass, I glassed the thing which really worked well.
I am not against the material as I use it a lot, but mainly for stiffening jobs on balsa bulkheads or formers. Two bits laminated with the grain at 90 degrees are immensely strong and light but you need to choose horses for courses.

Reading back over this, I should add that I'm not getting at you, more a case of reminding people that cheap is often at the expense of durability with models. Your pic reminded me of so many crashed models - including my Volture - which had the same failure results - lots of shredded bits all about 2 inches square!

Tony

[genovia]

Anthony, Antonio, Tony, Tonyo, Onyot...Hehehe Andong is what they use to call me:D

[Martin Hunter]

tonyo, I bought the airplane used from someone else anyway, but the fuselage was bulletproof (in my hands anyway) until I dorked it.

[Patrick Plawner]

For more details on the Crash, go to:

http://plawner.net/

but I think this crash deserves some respect :)

[Dave_Y]

Ouch :(

[Jonas Leander]

This is a Surprise 6, an F5B ship, after losing its wing in a high G turn. Lucky no-one got in its way - it went in in the middle of our runway.

Being a nice chap, I bought the wreckage - the wing is a work of art and completely intact. It will fly again soon.

/ Jonas

[downeym]

I had a catastropic radio hit while flying my zagi after work a couple of weeks ago. Luckily I had a wireless video camera strapped to the nose. Nothing like recording the carnage for posterity! :)


Video (http://www.southatlanta.com/mike/oh_crap.wmv)

[kesmith]

I am sad to inform you that my little yellow bipe is in heaven now!!! I went to my favorite flying field. My transmitter had been left on all day, but I didn't discover the dead battery until getting the plane ready to fly. I put the transmitter battery on the charger and sat in the car to listen to the radio for 1/2 hour or so, but the radio was not working well - you know the FM "holes". I started the car and moved forward... The radio cleared up, but I heard a sickening crunch when moving the car - you guessed it - right on top of the MIDDLE of my plane!!! Here's a picture of what's left...
I'll probably buy another GWS plane, I kinda like the J3 Cub FD (Fuselage version). The old Tiger Moth sure was the best... I'm gonna miss her.

[genovia]

kesmith, Sorry Man:(

[Patrick H]

.:rolleyes: doh goalpost

[Allan Wright]

Since there are a couple trashed E-3Ds here, I offer some encouragement. Rebuild your crashed planes folks - it's usually easier than it looks at first glance. I originally thought this was a write-off, but only a few hours got her back in like-new shape.

Before:
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/aew/rc/E3D/oops.jpg

After:
http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/aew/rc/E3D/afteroops.jpg

Photos here are small. Larger ones on my E-3D page here: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/aew/rc/E3D/

[genovia]

Are you playing tricks on us? (JK:p ) That's what I call a true modeler.. Not afraid of a crash.. Nice work Allan:)

[Ken Lapointe]

Here is (was) my TopFlight P-51 Mustang. 3 flights, 3rd crash, unfortunally 3rd crash was beyond repair. The right side of the wing looks ok but was mostly splinters under that covering. Just as well I guess, club members and I all came to the conclussion that the wing was warped.

On to the next plane .........
Ken

[genovia]

Ouch:( Ship it to me, I'll fix it:)

[daveWCO]

Ken:

I love the splinter scatterage! Nice crash!

No significant crashes to report on this end (knock on foam).

DaveWCO

[awood12345]

11 foot lanc crash! all was fine untill interferance mad it dive and enter failsafe making it dive in while slow rolling froom 200 feet or so! My dad was flying it since a lesser experienced pilot (the builder) could not! and the owner never saw it go in since he was helping a friend!

All these models did not deserve thier fates but hey, its all part of the hobby!

Alan

[RCMustang]

Hey, I've got a Top Flite P51 that resembles that, except I managed to accomplish the same in 1 flight! Beat That! (Sorry no pic).