Windrider airliner option

[Ming]

Dear All

I am offering a 1.8 meter Airliner sell option, send me US$150 before end of July, I will ship you two pcs 1.8 meter EPP Airliner kit before end of Oct.
100% refund if this plane not success to go production after end of Oct.
Kit included all hardware but electric duct fan:
1. Fuselage
2. Wings
3. All fins
4. 4 pcs duct
5. Control rod and control horn

Send me an email to ming@windrider.com.hk if you interesting to join our test pilot team for this project.

Ming Lou
Windrider R.S.B Aviation Ltd.

[RNAF]

Looks very nice indeed.
What's it's big scale equivalent?
What kind of set up do you aim for. Brushless EDF's or more economical brushed EDF's. I do assume LiPo's are the way to go. I'd love to hear more about the set up.

Kind regards,
Dave

[FL62]

Looks like an A380 to me!

[darmar]

Don't you think you should improve quality of foam a bit for $150 you ask for, even for two kits?
Take a look again at engine pods in above pictures. Even LifeLike gliders offer better foam for few $$.

No hard feelings, just my opinion.

Darmar

[Ming]

Darmar

Thank you very much for your suggestion.
I think there is not space to improve the quality because I need to pay almost US$80 to ship two plane from Hong Kong by air, it mean each plane just cost US$35.
I am planning to sell this Airliner over US$120 to US$140 plus shipping cost after mass production.

I don't have hard feelings at all.

Ming Lou

[termite]

I'm interested.

The Life Like gliders are STRYRO and this is EPP...........

Big difference in my little world!!!!!!!!

Randy

[wilerbee]

Ming,

I thought I told you to stay away from EPP ??!!!

Heung

[RNAF]

Did I read right? Two of those planes for 120-140 USD?
Still, I think people here want to know what's equipment could fit.
At least, I wouldn't buy one plane if I got only this information.

Dave

[Ming]

Dave

You need:
1. Battery
2. 4 pcs of duct fan
3. 4 pcs of standard size servos
4. RX, TX and ESC

120-140 USD is for one plane not two.
See the wing photos as attached image files:

Ming Lou

[RNAF]

The wing do seem smooth to me :)
How is the wing supported? Do you just stick both wings in each side of the fuselage?
What kind of EDF's are you thinking of, what size EDF's can be fitted?

Dave

[Ming]

Dave

Yes, just slide in into the fuselage like Easy glider or Su-29.
Any 55mm EDF's can be fit to the engine, I suggest to use four pcs of GW/EDF55-300H.

Ming Lou

[RNAF]

That's pretty neat. I like those "simple" EDF's. What's your expected weight and what's the wingsurface? I personally don't mind the material's looks.
I think it might do you good to get some more info here about the jet!

A general question though, with four of those EDF's, can you use 1 esc for all four?

Dave

[AirX]

Ming,

Ni Hao, since you recomend using the EDF55-300H this means you have had success with them flying installed. Can you give us a description of how tht flight went?

Eric B.

[Rudi]

Oh..... I feel so sad :( , because I promised my wife to reduce my modellhangar and now such a jewell is aviable !!!! Maybe I can make a deal with her :rolleyes:

Looks great ! Go on !!!!

greetings from vienna

Rudi

[Ming]

Some more photos:

[RNAF]

As far as I can see, the model must be easy to build, isn't it?
I hope it flies as good as it looks ;)

Dave

[Ming]

Dave

I will first soaring this ship on the slope, I think all the glider should no problem to fly with power. Just try my best to keep the wing loading light.

Ming Lou

[flybaby2000]

ill be happy to do a test of the airliner on the slope , it looks very promising , the easy pro is still kicking , you sure do some amazing foam planes.

cheers
doug

[Ming]

I will test this plane on the slope in the coming week.
Wingspan: 1.8 meter
Wing Area: 4.65 sq'ft
Weight: 2 lbs 2 oz(glider)
2 lbs 10 oz(EDF)
Wing Loading: 7.311 oz/sq'ft(glider)
9 oz/sq'ft(EDF)
Please see the foam CNC sample pictures:

[Appie]

I am offering a 1.8 meter Airliner sell option, send me US$150 before end of July, I will ship you two pcs 1.8 meter EPP Airliner kit before end of Oct.
100% refund if this plane not success to go production after end of Oct.
Kit included all hardware but electric duct fan:
1. Fuselage
2. Wings
3. All fins
4. 4 pcs duct
5. Control rod and control horn


Ming,

That's $ 150,= for 2 planes RIGHT ??

Looking good, do you accept PayPall ????

Grts,

Appie

[Astrix]

WOW! It's amazing what some people (Ming) can do! :D

[pacro]

Ming how much would it be so ship one to Taiwan 408

[Hawker]

Hi Ming,

Nice plane! I'm VERY interested but would really like it if we could see some
inflight pics and/or video. It's a beautiful plane, but the weight has me
concerned a bit. I can build my own version with depron and it's so much lighter
in comparison to 32 oz for your's as a glider... that's pretty heavy.

Some good looking flight video may just sell me though. :D

Thanks

[gromitvt10]

Ming,
I'm with Hawker on this one, some good flight video with the EDF set-up and i'm sold. I've got my hand on my wallet right now:-)

Kyle

[RNAF]

IMHO it's not too heavy. The Robbe BAe weighs more with equal/smaller span...
Looks sweet Ming!

Dave

[gromitvt10]

I've got a NIB BAE-146 just begging to be built:-) I hope to add this plane to my fleet sometime soon, as soon as i see it fly that is.

Kyle

[Ed Waldrep]

EPP doesn't have as nice of a surface finish as EPS (expanded polystyrene) but it it more durable. Neither foam looks as nice as a smooth fiberglass surface, but it's cheaper to injection mold something than make it with wet glass layups in molds.

EPP and EPS can be covered in low temp film though and look pretty good, if you put the film on at a low enough tempurature not to make the foam beads show through. Zagis are of course fairly easy to cover since they are mostly a flat wing but they look much better in iron on covering that 30 pieces of colored tape.

[Solcat]

Will the production version come with the edf's?

[Ming]

Dear All

All radio gear installed and wind look good today, wish me luck...

Ming Lou

[flybaby2000]

wishing you luck , looks really cool , wish i had the money to get one , oh well , does it take 4 standard.


cheers
doug

[Ming]

Dear All

Maiden flight was success!
C.G is little bit heavy to fly in 6km/h wind, will try again tomorrow after relocate the RX battery.

Ming Lou

[Ming]

See some maiden flight photos and movies:
Thank Tail Wai for my test pilot and Stanley Chan take some photos and movies for my Airliner.

Ming Lou

[Hawker]

Congrats Ming! Wow that looks nice. Looking forward to seeing some video of it
in action. :D

Pete

[EP heli freak!]

Wow thats a really nice job! Im curious about the process of making a plane this way.

[Ming]

http://www.windrider.com.hk/image/Dd327.AVI

[activesoarer]

Good looking airliner soaring over the old Hong Kong Kai Tat Airport.
That reminds me the wonderful scene of landing jumbo jets in the airport 10 year ago!

http://www.rcsail.com/windrider_airliner.wmv

[FANMAN]

Ming,

Lets see some construction pics. I'd like more info on the fuselage parts...........

[Hawker]

Looking great Ming! Congrats again.

And yes, some construction pics would be nice as well so we can all see how your jet is put together.

Thanks

[gromitvt10]

Nice work, are you going to do the powered one next? that's the one i'm interested in. But looks good so far:-)

Kyle

[Ming]

New movie upload:
http://www.rcsail.com/windrider_airliner.wmv

[Ming]

Activesoarer

If you is living in Hong Kong, you are welcome to visit our slope.
Sure you can enjoy the RC slope soaring there.
For your information:
http://www.rcsail.com/
http://www.hkrcss.org/mainE.html

Ming Lou

[Ming]

http://www.rcsail.com/windrider_airliner2.wmv
http://www.rcsail.com/windrider_airliner2.jpg

[gromitvt10]

Will it be able to ROG with 4 EDF-55 300's?

Kyle

[Ming]

Yes, just fit GWS EDF-55.

[AirX]

What is the wing area and weight of the glider version.

Eric B.

[Ming]

Wingspan: 1.8 meter
Wing Area: 4.65 sq'ft
Weight: 2 lbs 5 oz(glider)
2 lbs 12 oz(EDF)
Wing Loading: 7.95 oz/sq'ft(glider)
9.46 oz/sq'ft(EDF)

[Solcat]

What motors would it take?

[Rudi]

Very nice ! Can you exact told me what I can expect when I ordered one ?
(Content, price plus shipping to austria)

Thx

Rudi

[FANMAN]

Wingspan: 1.8 meter
Wing Area: 4.65 sq'ft
Weight: 2 lbs 5 oz(glider)
2 lbs 12 oz(EDF)
Wing Loading: 7.95 oz/sq'ft(glider)
9.46 oz/sq'ft(EDF)

Are we talking (4) EDF's? I cant imagine the difference between the Glider and the EDF version (to include batteries, ESC, wiring) of just 7 oz. Maybe you could clarify the EDF components?

I am still waiting to see pictures of the fuselage parts before I make a decision to buy..........

[Ming]

I take off 4 pcs of duct cause the wind is bad on Sunday:

[RNAF]

Wow I wish we had such slopes in Holland :P
Definately looks very sweet, and it seems like it's as easy to throw as a chuck glider :)

[Jason WAI]

it looks nice !!

[Eibo Morakinaga]

Ming,

Ni Hao, since you recomend using the EDF55-300H this means you have had success with them flying installed. Can you give us a description of how tht flight went?

Eric B.

LOL you asume too much.....

[Eibo Morakinaga]

I am interested as well, as stated before YOU NEED TO UPGRADE THE QUALITY OF MATERIAL for the plane. More people would be interested if it was a better material IMO.

-AN

Otherwise, looks good.

[Ming]

Eibo

How about molded EPP like Ele-Bee or molded EPS foam?

Ming

[AirX]

LOL you asume too much.....

Hi Eibo,

I suppose you have found the humor in the post.. :)

Eric B.

[RNAF]

Hi Eibo,

I suppose you have found the humor in the post.. :)

Eric B.

I don't LOL :rolleyes: could u puh-lease explain... I've re-read the whole thread :p

Actually, I don't get it why it should be a different type of foam... Many people glass big planes like these, or you could at least cover it with some oracover or such... Painting does a lot good too...
We always say "the material's not worth the money", but we shouldn't forget production costs and shipping, if I'm right the 120USD includes shipping to the U.S.A...
Also, keep in mind the Robbe BAe-146 did cost 300 euro's, a few years ago... New in box, but that plane was also made of foam... I've never heard people complaining about the material... They've all glassed it.

I downloaded a picture of Ming throwing the plane (see Ming's latest reply) and the plan was called "A-380"... Don't you guys want one that size and that price? Usually you'll pay at least 250-300 USD for that size plane... It's definately a sweet alternative to the more expensive big airliner models.

Kindest regards,
Dave ;) :)

[Ming]

Fellows

Please note that is limited quota for US$150 to get two bete Airliner, this very special offer is for test pilot only, I didn't make any profit on it.
I guess just the shipping to 2 Airliner to US or Europe may cost me around HK$1,000 (US$128), that mean the plane is almost free.

Ming Lou

[pacro]

could you send one to Taiwan

[Ming]

Yes, we ship our plane to worldwide.
Not only US and Europe.

[Solcat]

Will the kit come with landing gear in the final version? How are the motors attached? How feasible would a belly landing be?

[FANMAN]

Fellows

Please note that is limited quota for US$150 to get two bete Airliner, this very special offer is for test pilot only, I didn't make any profit on it.
I guess just the shipping to 2 Airliner to US or Europe may cost me around HK$1,000 (US$128), that mean the plane is almost free.

Ming Lou

Cost isnt that important to me, but assembly time is. If you can put all the parts together (with tape) and admire it just a few minutes, you'll definetely get thrilled and enthused like I would.

What bothers me however, is that Ming has been asked several times to give us more information on the fuselage parts, and has not replied to the question at hand.

If he has a kit ready to ship right now, then I presume a picture of the fuselage parts would not be much to ask, would it?

My gut feeling is that theres more work than it appears. I noticed the fuselage sides had seams where they appear to have been glued together and sanded.

Hey, if you want to get this thing going, you gotta let us (or someone) know what the deal is! You still didnt answer my question on the weight between the Glider and EDF version!

Ignoring a potential customers request will surely steer him away. The plane looks nice, but I can probably route one out faster than sanding a block of foam..............

[RNAF]

Hey guys,
I just discovered Ming has a homepage...
Please check it, he has got some video's of his plane too, under "image and video".
Check the site at www.windrider.com.hk

Dave

[cgraf]

@FANMAN and others

Just read this thread and I must say you guys write a lot of bull**** here...
Windrider makes EPP models using mold technology, so the quality is much higher than other crap like the Zagis (that is really a poor quality)...
I have more than one model made by Ming/Windrider, the first one has already several years and the second one also a HUGHE number of flights.
Personally I think Ming is doing a great job, and if the price is too high for you (150$ for 2 Models too high ???) JUST LET IT BE...
I would like to see the result in "routing" a block of EPP to that shape. Really. And I do EPP since a long time...
@Ming: Great job, like always. I am impressed.

Regards, and never mind...
Chris

[FANMAN]

@FANMAN and others

Just read this thread and I must say you guys write a lot of bull**** here...
Windrider makes EPP models using mold technology, so the quality is much higher than other crap like the Zagis (that is really a poor quality)...
I have more than one model made by Ming/Windrider, the first one has already several years and the second one also a HUGHE number of flights.
Personally I think Ming is doing a great job, and if the price is too high for you (150$ for 2 Models too high ???) JUST LET IT BE...
I would like to see the result in "routing" a block of EPP to that shape. Really. And I do EPP since a long time...
@Ming: Great job, like always. I am impressed.

Regards, and never mind...
Chris

I think you are misunderstanding my friend. I am not here to write B.S.

It is his work that brought me to this thread, duh, but I dont like being ignored when I ask honest, respectful questions in a kind manner, and all I get in return is an additional post with a few more pictures and another free flight video.

(Flame ingaged)

He mentioned the EDF, not ME! Maybe you should buy the kits and give us a review since you know Ming so well.

Lack of response to my questions from someone that lives thousands of miles away, I `aint' sending no money. If you cant take 5 minutes to grab a pic of a fuselage and post it, well, nuf said........

(Rant mode off)

[RNAF]

I didn't want to put it that way Chris, but you are right.

But please, Chris, people unfamilliar with Ming and his models etc. are a bit, let's say, careful before they put money in something they don't know. I hope you can see this from different perspectives.

LoL, another example (I love examples :p) : I have a Graupner Terry with mold marks on the whole plane. Even on the wing, 4 circles 1 inch diameter, 3mm deep... No way I can sand that nice, just gotta tape some clear tape over the gap. My point is, even manufacturers like Graupner sell ****ty stuff, but just because we know it, we are ok with the fact to pay a lot for those planes too... And in the end it doesn't make a difference cus I'm too lazy to scratch build my own planes :D

[Ming]

Dear Fanman

The reason I can't let you know the fuselage design is "someting is still secret".
But I can let you know this plane is very easy to build, all molded gear bay for RX, servos, battery and even ESC.
For the glider version, you can build it on the slope with very few tool and glue within 30 mins.
The goal I want to go of this Alrliner is "plus and fly" like Easy and Easy Pro before.

Ming Lou

[deadduck]

If he has a kit ready to ship right now, then I presume a picture of the fuselage parts would not be much to ask, would it?


The kit is not ready yet. Post #1 says end of October.


My gut feeling is that theres more work than it appears. I noticed the fuselage sides had seams where they appear to have been glued together and sanded.


What you are seeing in the pictures is not the production version.
Post #19 says it is a "foam CNC sample". Presumably a CNC hot wire cut with some finishing.


Are we talking (4) EDF's? I cant imagine the difference between the Glider and the EDF version (to include batteries, ESC, wiring) of just 7 oz. Maybe you could clarify the EDF components?



Hey, if you want to get this thing going, you gotta let us (or someone) know what the deal is! You still didnt answer my question on the weight between the Glider and EDF version!


Post#11
Ming is talking about 4? x GWS EDF 55 (I presume the 300 version)

I can't imagine it will fly on 2 x GWS EDF 55

Listed on GWS site as about 74g - so 2.61oz

4 x 2.61oz = 10.44 oz

Perhaps he means that the 7-8 oz difference in weight between the EDF and Glider version is the weight of the four engine pods???

I would plan on another 16 to 32 ozs above the glider weight if that is the case.

[deadduck]

I think the way to go EDF would be with the Wemotec Micro Fans using any good 20mm brushless like the Himark (Himaxx) 2015 4200 or 5400 kv on 3S.

Should be able to ROG off a paved runway with 4 x Micro Fan on BL.

The cost of the BL and Lipo setup.... That begins to get very expensive, since no guarantee that you could get away with hooking 2 of the motors up on a single 25 amp esc. Some guys have hooked up 2 of the Skatty 300DF outrunners to a single 25A castle esc and reported success.

So 4 x 12-18 amp BL Escs to be sure.

That and a Lipo pack which will handle 36 - 40 A continuous......

[AirX]

Yup and I cant see it flying on stock EDF55 300h's either, the naccelle details show an inserted foam part that will kill a lot of thrust from the stock fans. The 4 fans might weight out at 10.44oz but there is also battery and wiring to consider, and the wiring from the motor will have to be changed out because it is too small to handle enough current and will melt the wirte cover under 3s usage which it will need to get near flying thrust. I tried to get an answer to several questions and to pointed postings dealing with this issue but no replies dealing with the most important issues anyway.

Cheers,

Eric B.

[termite]

Seems to me that Ming is offering these kits for BETA TESTING to a few folks willing to roll the bones.

He is looking to the BETA TESTERS to get these answers to find out if it is worthy of production!

Our opinion of fit - finish - and flyability is what he needs to know before he can get us the answers we desire.

I'm looking forward to getting mine!!!!

Randy
Dynamo Electrics

Eric, almost looks big enough for some MiniFans??????? That would be COOL

[AirX]

Minis might look big would fill the bill, lots of room in the fuselage for battery's. The look and appeal of the Airbuss 380 is great, but the choice of fan in stock form is poor I think for this project unless as Deadduck says and fit BL to it then the weight will be up but the overall thrust would be great, heck 2 of the stock 300h's would not get my 757 with the scale wing off the ground and it weighted out 24oz with the lipos and come to think of it it might have been the Kokams that werent up to snuff back then and probably could have used a 3s2p setup to fly it. Oh well hindsight is 2020.

Eric B.

[deadduck]

Ok, just checked what will fit into a Wemotec Micro Fan.

- Skatty 300DF - No way - Can's too big

- Ultrafly - D12/13/32 - Just fits with enough clearance for the can to turn, but you will have to cut a slot at the front of the motor housing for the wires to come through.

Worth trying if 2 motors can run on a single 25A esc.

I have read that the problem is restarting the motors in the air. The problem is that the esc can't sense the motors' positions if the props are windmilling. Should be less of an issue with DFs.

Simplest would be the 20mm series of BL motors on 4 separate escs, and it might be possible to use low cost 18A units, since BEC will be disabled.


the naccelle details show an inserted foam part that will kill a lot of thrust from the stock fans


It might also work as a restrictor and actually bring the efflux velocity up.

Lower static thrust, but better flying speed.

[deadduck]

I'm looking forward to getting mine!!!!
Randy
Dynamo Electrics


I sent the $ as well.

Who else reading this thread has taken the special offer?

The offer is good until July 31st.

[AirX]

>It might also act as a restrictor and actually bring the efflux velocity up<

Normally, I would think so also but in the case of the weak stock setup I dont think so.
The thrust would suffer but it will also start out at only 7oz per fan.

Eric B.

[deadduck]

>It might also act as a restrictor and actually bring the efflux velocity up<

Normally, I would think so also but in the case of the weak stock setup I dont think so.
The thrust would suffer but it will aslo start out at only 7oz per fan.

Eric B.

Yeah. I figure AUW ( no landing gear ) of say 55 + ozs . That's theoretically doable on say 24 oz of thrust, but this thing is going to be at WOT for most of the flight. Not a hope of ROG, unless you have a long runway, into the wind, and your batts don't run out before you get to flying speed.

Ming flies off cliffs in HK, so a good heave into the updraft and he's away.

With the stock brushed 300H motor set up, all you are going to get are DF sound effects. :D

[Ming]

Dear All

Please note I have to do a lot of modifcation after the first flight test.
The next direction I aimed for is the easy build and less some weight of this ship.
My target is:
1. 30 mins to build on slope version and 2 hours on EDF version.
2. Less 5-10% of total weight
But someone may willing spend 2 night for nice decal.

Ming Lou

[Thomas Nelson]

Well ... I kinda feel compelled to chime in and offer $0.02 here.

Late last year Ming PM'd me out of the blue, asking if I'd be willing to send a "retired" Su-27 in trade for some of his molded EPP designs. He was contemplating tooling up for a molded EPP version of a Flanker, and asked if he could base it around my bird. I agreed with no strings attached - a simple trade was all I was after. Before I was even able to ship my planes, he sent one of his. Then, after sending two 'well-used' Flankers to Hongkong, Ming sent me his molded EPP Su-29, including extra bits 'n pieces. This was a straight trade; two planes for two planes. I've pasted a snippet from the note of thanks I sent on April 25, 2005 below.

Hi Ming!

Received your Su-29 over the weekend. What an awesome design! All those interlocking pieces ... very, very clever. And the decal package looks first class too. Wow, you sure sent lots of props - including some Zagi-type propellers that I've never seen before. Thank-you very much!

My plan is to use a Razor2500 with a 6.6:1 gearbox on 3S LiPoly - does this sound right? Alternatively, I have a Mega 16-15-4, and was wondering about trying it direct-drive on 2 cells, or maybe 3. I am hoping I can set this bird up for 3D type flying. Do you have any opinions on these setups? Other recommended brushless setups, preferably direct drive on 3S Lipos ??

Ming - I am so impressed with the quality of the molded EPP parts. Another question: is there any reason why I can't sand off the various bumps from the molding process?

Thanks again - this is a very nice bird. I intend to bring it to the LHS before I build it so they can see it in its "raw state". I would not be surprised if you end up seeing some orders from them. I'll fill you in after I've talked with them.

Sincerely

Tom

So ...
Clearly I would have no reservations doing business with Ming. He's a straight-up guy in my estimation.

Based on the Su-29 he sent me, I doubt that assembly of the production Airliner would be any harder than Ming suggests in his last post.

Finally, I have no agenda with this post. Just offering personal, first hand feedback. FWIW.

tn

[Mick Molloy]

I just love the molded finish....no need to 3m77 no stapping tape.... I have a few of Mings Planes A Bat an Easy and a SU and I would love a Airliner...

[FANMAN]

Dear Fanman

The reason I can't let you know the fuselage design is "someting is still secret".
But I can let you know this plane is very easy to build, all molded gear bay for RX, servos, battery and even ESC.
For the glider version, you can build it on the slope with very few tool and glue within 30 mins.
The goal I want to go of this Alrliner is "plus and fly" like Easy and Easy Pro before.

Ming Lou

Thanks Ming (and others) for helping to clarify! Your kit should be a success when completed.

The only thing that worries me is the nacelle and its size. It seems small for using the EDF-55 and will probably be too big for the 75.

Another concern is access to the EDF itself. If the nacelle could be removable or split, may help in some way.

[Ming]

Fanman

Yes, I need increase 6.5% of the duct diameter.
Sure it can fit 55 EDF.
Still far away to go production, I did amend 24 points of the last 3D drawing...man.

Ming Lou

[flybaby2000]

nice work on the airliner , i surely would love to eventually get one in my fleet , I only fly slope so the nacelles for me would only be a scale look , otherwise i would just fly without them . easy pro still going srong..its a great flyer , i might need to get another few soon..

cheers
doug

[Ming]

Wind become very strong today, will test it in the afternoon again!

[Mick Molloy]

Get video....

[RNAF]

Check his site ;)

[Mick Molloy]

I have seen them none show landing or even flying back to the slope....loops rolls cubans etc :p

[Ming]

Few more new drawing show the gear arrangement:

[flybaby2000]

very nice ming , i can see this is going to be quite an enjoyable model to fly for all that buy one. what is the cad program you are using , i sure would like to learn how to use something like this in the future when designing new models for others , looks great "FUN".

i saw the video a few weeks ago and it does look the part , very convincing.

keep up the good work , ming i like it!

cheers
Doug

Tasmania.

[Ming]

Pro-E program.

[flybaby2000]

nice i will look it up later tonight , just a quick off the subject qeustion? , did you get my new postal adress the other day from the e-mail..

also how is the little one in the picture , i have a 2year old girl baby now , and they are so much "Fun" ... somehow i have an obsession with that word! Fun , it must be something in the air......he he..

hope to hear from you soon. and keep these great models coming.

cheers

Doug Lundstedt
Tasmania

[kushal_22]

Looking good Ming

It looks as if the Airliner did not have enough wind to keep it from sinking though. Does this one need "Heavy" or Strong winds?

BTW are you still looking at Building the SU-27`s?

Regards
Mal

[Ming]

Mal

The wingarea of this Airliner is big enough, it can fly very well under 10km/h condition.
Yes, I am still interesting for make Su-27.

Ming Lou

[gromitvt10]

I can't wait to buy one!! any one going to use retracts?

Kyle

[kushal_22]

I was wondering the same thing.

Mal

[Tanguy&Laverdure]

I'm also looking for Airbus A320 at the same scale (1/44?) powered by two EDF50!

Please.. :)

[gromitvt10]

how goes the progress? i'm on your test pilot list, hope to get to fly it soon!!!

kyle

[Ming]

kyle

First test shot end of Sept.
Will update all of your expret alter on.

Ming Lou

[Akura2]

Listed on GWS site as about 74g - so 2.61oz

4 x 2.61oz = 10.44 oz

Perhaps he means that the 7-8 oz difference in weight between the EDF and Glider version is the weight of the four engine pods???

I would plan on another 16 to 32 ozs above the glider weight if that is the case.

I guess you guys forgot that gliders need batteries too....:D

Maybe not the same battery... but all you are really adding at this point are the EDF's and ESC's so the weight may not be THAT different depending on what flying time you want and what EDF's you go with

[CarreraGTSCS]

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[gromitvt10]

how goes the progress??? can't wait to get my hands on one:-)

Kyle