should helicopter carry a guarantee

[Funfly3]

should helicopter/equipment carry a guarantee, as they seem to be saying
once you have used it you have no guarantee it seem like you can sell any
crap and get away with it I have a blown speed controller on my honey bee it
has a blown transistor of some description as it runs flat out the time as
soon as the battery is connected but hobby japan2000 just say no guarantee
exists as its been used any idea if this is legal??


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[euroshop889@yahoo.com]

As far as I know, not store will give guaranteed (I think should be
warranty) on the helicopter or air plane after the customers used it
(fly the helicopter).

I think the reason is the helicopter can be damaged in result of crash
and crash is very normal when you learn how to fly. I can not remember
how many times I crashed my helicopter (at least 30 times), but crash,
rebuild, and crash is part of this hobby - WELCOME TO THE RC HELICOPTER
family.

[Funfly3]

<euroshop889@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> As far as I know, not store will give guaranteed (I think should be
> warranty) on the helicopter or air plane after the customers used it
> (fly the helicopter).
>
> I think the reason is the helicopter can be damaged in result of crash
> and crash is very normal when you learn how to fly. I can not remember
> how many times I crashed my helicopter (at least 30 times), but crash,
> rebuild, and crash is part of this hobby - WELCOME TO THE RC HELICOPTER
> family.
>
its not so much crash damaged as just died in flight but it seems like they
have you buy the balls, sell you crap the say no guarantee when it breaks I
have aircraft speed controllers that have suffered more then the honey bee
one and they are still ok

[Steve R.]

"Funfly3" <dontemailme@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> its not so much crash damaged as just died in flight but it seems like
> they have you buy the balls, sell you crap the say no guarantee when it
> breaks I have aircraft speed controllers that have suffered more then the
> honey bee one and they are still ok
>

"What" died in flight? Did the helicopter just "stop" and fall to the
ground?

The helicopter manufacturer isn't responsible for problems you have with the
engine or radio. Those are covered by their respective manufacturers. They
are also not responsible if you have the model poorly setup. Therein lies
the problem. How do they know that "you" know what you're doing?

For what it's worth, I've had a few parts through the years that had a
manufacturing defect. A hole that wasn't drilled true, or not to the
correct size, or not in the correct position. The manufacturer made those
good, no questions asked. It's rare, but it happens.

The orginal poster really doesn't give any decent information on what
actually happened (if they even know?) so none of us can really say one way
or the other.

????????????
Steve R.

[Nigel Heather]

The poster states that the heliis a Honey Bee which is an all-in-one package
so it is the retailer/supplier who is responsible for the whole thing. The
customer is not required to track down the original manufacturer of the
electric motor as you suggest.

Having said that, I beleive that the original poster is in this problem
because he bought the heli online/mail order from overseas.

The seller isn't interested because he cannot be sure that you haven't
abused the speed controller, he makes a small margin and is sure that any
replacement/postage costs are going to leave him out of pocket. He can do
this because you are thousands of miles away and your are hardly likely to
pay him a personal visit.

If you had purchased the heli from a local shop (especially one in the UK) I
am confident that you could have returned the heli and got a replacement
without any problem. However, you would have also paid a lot more for it in
the first place.

You're just going to have to chalk this one up as a bad experience.
Recognise that the savings you made over buying locally may be still
sufficient to buy a replacement speed controller.

You may not be able to source an exact one but many are interchangeable
(aerohawk, dragonfly, hummingbird etc), or better still replace with
seperates.

Can you let us know what your speed controller is like - there are many
different - and perhaps we can point you in the right direction. To my
knowledge they can be

Unit 1: Two speed controllers and a mixer
Unit 2: Two speed controllers, a mixer and a gyro
Unit 3: Two speed controllers, a mixer, a gyro and receiver

Unit 3 is the worst case as it will be the most expensive and you will need
to make sure that the receiver is the correct frequency (35Mhz for UK legal,
but could be 72MHz), correct type (usually PPM but there are some PCM about)
and possible correct phase/shift.

Cheers,

Nigel

[Funfly3]

"Nigel Heather" <No-Spam@No-Spam.com> wrote in message
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> The poster states that the heliis a Honey Bee which is an all-in-one
> package so it is the retailer/supplier who is responsible for the whole
> thing. The customer is not required to track down the original
> manufacturer of the electric motor as you suggest.
>
true its the all in 1 4 function unit
> Having said that, I beleive that the original poster is in this problem
> because he bought the heli online/mail order from overseas.
>
Yes I did buy over seas why because everybody over here either did not stock
it or wanted £150 above what I paid to import it
> The seller isn't interested because he cannot be sure that you haven't
> abused the speed controller, he makes a small margin and is sure that any
> replacement/postage costs are going to leave him out of pocket. He can do
> this because you are thousands of miles away and your are hardly likely to
> pay him a personal visit.
>
> If you had purchased the heli from a local shop (especially one in the UK)
> I am confident that you could have returned the heli and got a replacement
> without any problem. However, you would have also paid a lot more for it
> in the first place.
>
> You're just going to have to chalk this one up as a bad experience.
> Recognise that the savings you made over buying locally may be still
> sufficient to buy a replacement speed controller.
>
> You may not be able to source an exact one but many are interchangeable
> (aerohawk, dragonfly, hummingbird etc), or better still replace with
> seperates.
>
> Can you let us know what your speed controller is like - there are many
> different - and perhaps we can point you in the right direction. To my
> knowledge they can be
>
> Unit 1: Two speed controllers and a mixer
> Unit 2: Two speed controllers, a mixer and a gyro
> Unit 3: Two speed controllers, a mixer, a gyro and receiver
its a unit 3 and I thinks its a weird phase shift as it will not respond to
my Futaba
> Unit 3 is the worst case as it will be the most expensive and you will
> need to make sure that the receiver is the correct frequency (35Mhz for UK
> legal, but could be 72MHz), correct type (usually PPM but there are some
> PCM about) and possible correct phase/shift.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nigel
>
I do fly a nitro helicopter as well so I am not a complete part as I have
been flying radio for 26 years but I am a bit loathed to pay out for a gyro
receiver and esc when the rest of the helicopter is not worth it I only
brought it because it was cheap and I could fly it in the garden but I could
then use my FF9 with it

[Funfly3]

"Steve R." <srhodes13@houston.rr.nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Funfly3" <dontemailme@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> its not so much crash damaged as just died in flight but it seems like
>> they have you buy the balls, sell you crap the say no guarantee when it
>> breaks I have aircraft speed controllers that have suffered more then the
>> honey bee one and they are still ok
>>
>
> "What" died in flight? Did the helicopter just "stop" and fall to the
> ground?
>
all that happened was the main motor went flat out with no speed control it
still carried on flying in the hover in full control minus any speed control
luck it was a collective pitch heli rather than a fixed pitch job and now as
soon as the battery is plugged in it goes full speed
> The helicopter manufacturer isn't responsible for problems you have with
> the engine or radio. Those are covered by their respective manufacturers.
> They are also not responsible if you have the model poorly setup. Therein
> lies the problem. How do they know that "you" know what you're doing?
>
> For what it's worth, I've had a few parts through the years that had a
> manufacturing defect. A hole that wasn't drilled true, or not to the
> correct size, or not in the correct position. The manufacturer made those
> good, no questions asked. It's rare, but it happens.
>
> The orginal poster really doesn't give any decent information on what
> actually happened (if they even know?) so none of us can really say one
> way or the other.
>
> ????????????
> Steve R.
>

[Nigel Heather]

Before you sink any more money you should consider where you are going to
fly your Honey Bee. Although I don't have experience of the collective
pitch models I have a fixed pitch hummingbird and my experience is that they
are not as flexible as you would think.

Flying indoors - it is possible but because they are so twitchy and skittish
(compared with your Nexus) you actually need more room than you think.
Unless you've got a very big empty(ish) room or are very experienced it is a
difficult job to do anything more than hover.

Flying outdoors - unless you have a perfectly calm day you may as well
forget it.

Ideally you want a nice sports hall or similar.

As I said the CP may be an improvement but I stand by the above 100% with my
Hummingbird.

My Raptor 50 is a pussycat to hover by comparison.

Cheers,

Nigel

[Funfly3]

"Nigel Heather" <No-Spam@No-Spam.com> wrote in message
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> Before you sink any more money you should consider where you are going to
> fly your Honey Bee. Although I don't have experience of the collective
> pitch models I have a fixed pitch hummingbird and my experience is that
> they are not as flexible as you would think.
>
> Flying indoors - it is possible but because they are so twitchy and
> skittish (compared with your Nexus) you actually need more room than you
> think. Unless you've got a very big empty(ish) room or are very
> experienced it is a difficult job to do anything more than hover.
>
> Flying outdoors - unless you have a perfectly calm day you may as well
> forget it.
>
> Ideally you want a nice sports hall or similar.
>
> As I said the CP may be an improvement but I stand by the above 100% with
> my Hummingbird.
>
> My Raptor 50 is a pussycat to hover by comparison.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nigel
it is twitchy and a pain to hover but it fly's in quite a breeze my nexus
almost hovers itself in comparison