Cyclon Brushless Now at Atlantahby.com

[atlav8r]

Congratulations to Mike Parsons (Atlantae) for his 87 inch twin Cyclon Yak being nominated for best of show at SEFF 2005.

I apologize to all for not having the specifications for the Cyclon motors up on our website earlier. With the push to get the first big load of motors here and then being delayed in customs and the work to get Mikes big Yak done for SEFF I have just not had the time to do it. Now that we are back from SEFF I will have them up with full photos and specifications in the next 24 hours!

I (Atlantahobby.com) am stocking the full line of Fabrice Noro's motors and am filling request for dealers and the pilot population just as fast as I can get them unboxed.

I met Fabrice in Germany and have spent quite a bit of time researching his company, where they are headed and their technology. We went to Germany secifically for newer technology and with my brother being involved in the F5B world and me being an electric only company I was aware of what Fabrice had to offer. I am very impressed so far and I think we will see a lot more as we continue to fully test the capabilities of the Cyclon motors.

A stock 160 outrunner for instance is designed to be able to generate 2000 Watts at 92% efficiency and 3500 watts max on 8-10 cells. The Elite series are very inovative by attaching a planetary gearbox to a high output outrunner. The elite 30 is a 14oz motor That is designed to put out up to 2600 Watts and the little Mini elite is only 2.8 oz and is designed for up to 450 Watts!

Please stay tuned and feel free to contact me directly.
Good Winds
Cliff Whitney

[atlav8r]

I have started to post the Cyclon Specifications. More will be posted as the day goes by. I have the Elite series and the 160 and 160 F3A now posted.
You can see them By clicking on this link (http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopquery.asp?mfg=Cyclon).

Good Winds
Cliff

[Brian Wa]

Atlanta hobby,

Could you please tell me why You list 70 amps maximum whilst the figures on the Cyclone data sheets indicate 80 amps max. !!!

One other point,
How do you manage to get 1000 Watts of power out of the motor on 10 cells at 80 amps ?????????????

I have attached the Cyclone data sheets.

Brian

[atlav8r]

Atlanta hobby,
Could you please tell me why You list 70 amps maximum whilst the figures on the Cyclone data sheets indicate 80 amps max. !!!
One other point,
How do you manage to get 1000 Watts of power out of the motor on 10 cells at 80 amps ?????????????
I have attached the Cyclone data sheets.
Brian

Thanks for the note Brian,
I am happy that you have an Elite 10 and would be very interested in hearing your feedback as it appears you could have a good handle on them.

The data we are using is directly from the owner of the company (Fabrice) and was given to us in late February. This is the same data that is published on their site and is also attached in the PDF file attached to this post. We are showing 70 amps max but have been told and are seeing in our teating that these motors can handle much more power. With that said however you will only ever see us publish what we are given from the factory.

What your data sheet actually says is the following "The possible amp consumption of the motor is :55 amps continuous, 70 amps for up to 30 second burst. It can accept peaks of 80 Amps for up to 10 seconds max."I can only guess what you are asking about is the 80 amps for 10 seconds part and I have no doubt that they will do this.

For the Elite 10 listed Here (http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5645) I can't see where we are stating 1000 watts? We are showing it at 600Watts normal and 800 max.

Thanks again for your questions and please let us know more about your projects and the Elite 10 performance you are seeing.
Good Winds
Cliff Whitney

[Brian Wa]

Cliff

From the link you give your site qoutes:

"Very high Performance motor designed for Sailplane/Gliders and 3D flight. Power continuous 600 Watts, up to 1000 Watts peak"

The French do qoute up to 12 cells, do you think they are indicating 12 cells at 80 amps gives you 1000 Watts.

Maybe you should discuss this with them.


Brian

[atlav8r]

Cliff

From the link you give your site qoutes:
"Very high Performance motor designed for Sailplane/Gliders and 3D flight. Power continuous 600 Watts, up to 1000 Watts peak"
Brian

Thanks Brian,
I think I picked up this text from another motor as I was doing the data entry. I have it updated, that's what I get for typing at 3 in the morning.
I'll ask Fabrice about the 12 cells.
ThanksCW

[BING!]

Wow, just finished browsing your site and am very impressed. On a dollar per watt basis, these motors are the bomb. Incredible efficiency numbers too. I am no one to buy a motor until others have chimed in about applications and impressions, but I may have to go in head first on this one as it looks like you'll be out of stock for a while due to demand :).

[atlav8r]

Wow, just finished browsing your site and am very impressed. On a dollar per watt basis, these motors are the bomb. Incredible efficiency numbers too. I am no one to buy a motor until others have chimed in about applications and impressions, but I may have to go in head first on this one as it looks like you'll be out of stock for a while due to demand :).

Thanks for the kind words Bing,
The Elite 10 and 18 are in stock as well as a few of the Cyclon Twister versions. Once we showed the Twin Yak at SEFF I sold out of the 160's and the smaller versions in about 1 hour.

Fabrice (the owner of Cyclon) is moving their shop to a new and larger building this next week and we have a large amount of all versions on order with him. You will see more of these fine motors in stock in the near future.

Stay Tuned
Cliff Whitney

[Joel Shreenan]

In case you're interested, here is a motor specification table I put together from data supplied by Cliff. I did it primarily to convert the metric data to standard for ease of comparison. Cliff's got an Elite 10 sitting on his shelf begging me to take him home with me. Best regards to all. JS

[eye_rc_soar]

Cliff

Are you getting any of the Elite FAI motors in. I know the 7-cell motor that Fabrice demo'ed at the F5B worlds was incredible.

don

[atlav8r]

Cliff

Are you getting any of the Elite FAI motors in. I know the 7-cell motor that Fabrice demo'ed at the F5B worlds was incredible.

don
Thanks for the question,

Yes, The 7 cell motor was a special motor and Fabrice only made 30 for the world championship.
He is no longer making that motor but is working on FAI 16 cells, and 7 cells F5B motors , but they are still not ready .
I think they will be in month or two.
Hope this helps

[atlav8r]

A lot of folks have been asking to see some photos and movies of our 87inch twin powered Yak so I ave posted a bunch you can see
by clicking here (http://www.atlantahobby.com/Cyclon_Yak.asp)

[atlav8r]

One of the most impressive motors in the Cyclon Range. This motor has the ability to deliver more than 300 watts continuous and 450 peak watts*yet it weighs only 78 grms. Designed for LMR sailplanes where a lot of power is needed in a very small space.

[Jeff85]

Atlav8r;

Which Cyclon Elite should I get for the Condor Voodoo I just bought?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.scorpio.it/scheda-prodotto.dhtml%3Fcod%3D1961%26cat%3Dh%26ii%3D3&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcondor%2Bvoodoo%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26i e%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/Condor_Voodoo-4956.htm

She is a 3.2 meter glider that weights about 6lb. The guys in the discussion group tell me I need 1,000 watts to pull her up in the air if I want to go vertical.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387725

Do I get the Elite 10or 18 for this vertical flight?

[atlav8r]

Atlav8r;

Which Cyclon Elite should I get for the Condor Voodoo I just bought?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.scorpio.it/scheda-prodotto.dhtml%3Fcod%3D1961%26cat%3Dh%26ii%3D3&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcondor%2Bvoodoo%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26i e%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG
http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/Condor_Voodoo-4956.htm

She is a 3.2 meter glider that weights about 6lb. The guys in the discussion group tell me I need 1,000 watts to pull her up in the air if I want to go vertical.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387725

Do I get the Elite 10or 18 for this vertical flight?

Thanks for the note, The Elite 18 will do the job easily producing 1000+ Watts and can swing a very larg prop to move the Condor vertical if you wish. The Elite 10 is also a great motor and will put out over 600 atts easily.

Hope this helps you? The Condor is a really nice ship!
CW

[Jeff85]

Atlav8r: Check out my build thread 'Building The Condor to go Vertical to 1,000':
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394769
I definitely will consider this motor. What I like best about it seems smaller then the axi 4130 and I have restrictive space in the Condor. Is there anything else you can tell me about the motor after reading my two threads? (when you have the time).

[Aio_1]

Jeff,

I think the Cyclons are in a different class to the AXIs. The Elite motors are geared high KV outrunners so they're a very different motor. A few people have posted about using the Elite motors. One that comes to mind is Davidleich. I think he had one in a soarer of about 3m span (if memory serves). It would be worth doing a search. I think I started one of the threads he contributed to which may help you narrow your search.

Aidan

[Jeff85]

Aio; When you say 'different' what do you mean? Good different, or Bad different? I found most of the threads you were talking about, didn't see the 3 meter glider by David (would have been nice though).

[Aio_1]

Aio; When you say 'different' what do you mean? Good different, or Bad different? I found most of the threads you were talking about, didn't see the 3 meter glider by David (would have been nice though).
Different in that instead of a geared inrunner or direct outrunner it's a geraed outrunner. I'd guess that a good geared inrunner can manage higher efficiency but these Cyclon Elites are very light for their power capabilities. I think they're well worth a try.
...I found most of the threads you were talking about, didn't see the 3 meter glider by David (would have been nice though).
It's possible I'm talking nonsense. I thought it was David in one of those threads but perhaps it was elsewhere or even a different poster. Apologies for sending you on a mad goose chase! I've gotta head for bed now (it's past 03:30!) but I'll have a look tomorrow if I think of it and let you know if I track down the posts I'm thinking of.

Aidan

[Jeff85]

atlav8r; I think after reading everything I could find I'm going with the Cyclon Elite 18. 1). What type of ESC would you use?
2). Do I need a UBEC? And why?
Here's a pretty good Review for the Elite 18 in a Banchee.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=540

[atlav8r]

Yes, The Banchee in the review is a local pilot build and is quite impressive. I have 6-8 pilots around the country flying the Elite 18 in Banchee planes, all with big smiles on their faces ;-).

The Castle 80 amp is the best to use in the 18 if you have the $ but you can get away with the 60 to save a few bucks too. I would use a UBEC as the ones in the controllers are OK but for high servo use the UBEC is much better and there is 6Volt version to give your servos a little more punch. See the banchee for a little more review on the UBEC.

Keep us posted on your project.
Cliff

[Jeff85]

Yes, The Banchee in the review is a local pilot build and is quite impressive. I have 6-8 pilots around the country flying the Elite 18 in Banchee planes, all with big smiles on their faces ;-).

The Castle 80 amp is the best to use in the 18 if you have the $ but you can get away with the 60 to save a few bucks too. I would use a UBEC as the ones in the controllers are OK but for high servo use the UBEC is much better and there is 6Volt version to give your servos a little more punch. See the banchee for a little more review on the UBEC.

Keep us posted on your project.
Cliff

Thinking about getting the Jeti 90 amp controller. I agree that the UBEC 6 volts is the way to go and I will keep you posted.

Any ideas on elevator and rudder servos with JR R770S reciever?

[atlav8r]

I like the new Castle 125 for sailplane work. My brother has been using one in his hotliners and I hear it is being bursted to over 200 amps!
http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5661
The Jeti is nice too however.

[Jeff85]

I like the new Castle 125 for sailplane work. My brother has been using one in his hotliners and I hear it is being bursted to over 200 amps!
http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5661
The Jeti is nice too however.

I like your recommendation of the new Castle Creations Phoenix-125 brushless ESC in my application because:

1). the Cyclon Elite 18 specs recommends Suggested ESC 50-100 amps. (The JETI is only rated at 90 amps)!

2). The other reason I liked the JETI was it was easy to program with the new programming card. However, Castle has a new interface that allows you to plug into your computer via USB and download upgrades directly into the ESC. No more beeping with Tx sticks.

3). It's slim, made for gliders.

But do I still need a UBEC if I have 6 servos????

[atlav8r]

I like your recommendation of the new Castle Creations Phoenix-125 brushless ESC in my application

But do I still need a UBEC if I have 6 servos????

yes, I would still use it. The UBES from Kool Flight systems is of higher quality.

[Jeff85]

atlav8r; I think after reading everything I could find I'm going with the Cyclon Elite 18. 1). What type of ESC would you use?
2). Do I need a UBEC? And why?
Here's a pretty good Review for the Elite 18 in a Banchee.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=540

Look at my build thread post #27 I just bought the Cyclon Elite 18 from you.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394769&page=2&pp=15

[atlav8r]

Look at my build thread post #27 I just bought the Cyclon Elite 18 from you.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394769&page=2&pp=15

Thanks jeff,
Your plane looks sweet! and The Cyclon shipped priority today so you should have it in 2-3 days!
Have fun!

[atlav8r]

If I say anymore it would spoil all of the fun!
Stay tuned for an exciting announcement from Atlantahobby.com

Cliff Whitney

[Jeff85]

Atlav8r: I have techies picking on the Cyclon (without every using one). Could you go to one of my threads and enlighten them about the motor, please. Look at post #71-79.
Thanks
PS Looking forward to getting the motor in the mail.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387725&page=5&pp=15

[Aio_1]

Jeff,

I think most of the comments made were pretty fair. Primarily pointing out alternatives rather than discrediting the Cyclon motors. I wouldn't worry about it.

[atlav8r]

Atlav8r: I have techies picking on the Cyclon (without every using one). Could you go to one of my threads and enlighten them about the motor, please. Look at post #71-79.
Thanks
PS Looking forward to getting the motor in the mail.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387725&page=5&pp=15

I read the post but make it a policy not to talk about motors I have not actually held in my hand and tested. Steves company is new and he has been putting out nice motors from all I can tell. My brother uses them in some of his hot F5B planes and another pilot has one here in Atlanta and flys with us. One has had to send theirs back for repairs but I understand it was handled well.

IMO you have to look at the full range of motors when deciding what to use in a specific aircraft. Cyclon has motors that are big and small and covers all price ranges.The Elite 18 you have is very nice and I have hundreds of very happy customers flying it. The Elite 24 is even stronger and then there is the Elite 30 for the big stuff. If you don't want gear boxes there is a full line of outrunners and for the really big stuff even the F3A which will work in multiples if needed (see photo of our new triple).

If there was only one best motor out there I would only have only one motor to sell. We have over 700 brushless motors in stock at any given time from many many different Mfgs and I welcome other Mfgs to contact us if they want us to carry their motors.

Hope this helps
Cliff Whitney
Atlantahobby.com

[ozace]

Cliff, are the heli motors comming ?

[atlav8r]

Cliff, are the heli motors comming ?
I will know in a few more days when Fabrice gets back from the F3A Wolrds.
CW

[Jeff85]

atla8r: Got the motor from you yesterday it's a beaute! Need advise on ESC see dbox remarks on post# 47 & 50, about the Phoenix 125 not being able to do 4 degree timing? :confused: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394769&page=4#post4225168
Thanks once again

Jeff.
Don't rush with Phoenix controller it does not have 4 degrees timing setting which You need for this motor. Hier timing will increase power of motor , increasing amperage, as well and
most important, overheating motor.

[atlav8r]

Thanks for the note Jeff,
Looks like your project is moving forward.
I do not have any exp with MGM Compro controllers but hear they are nice. Fabrice uses the Flash 120 controllers in his big planes. I do however a have many many Elite 18 motors out there running both Castle 60 and 80 amp controllers all of which are pulling 1000+ Watts. I am sure there are other controllers and all could be tweaked to the n,th degree for the very peak performance on a given day at a given altitude with specific cells in a particular aircraft I just don't fly that specific.

There are several threads on Specific projects using the Cyclon Elite 18 at over 1000 watts
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4089941
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=540 just to name a few.

I also see you have ask Castle for input at http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88326. Castle has been doing a lot of testing using our Cyclon motors as they are some of the only motors out there that can use large amounts of Cells with the new HV controllers. Castle loves the big Cyclon motors and it will be intersting to see their reply to you.

Hope this helps and please keep me posted on your very fine looking plane.
Cliff

[Jeff85]

atlav8r: How many cells for the Cyclon Elite 18 in my 3 meter 6lb plane?
Your web site says 3-6 cells;
http://www.atlantahobby.com/shopexd.asp?id=5646
Elite 18 Specifications Metric
Weight Airplane (Max) 11.02 Lbs 5 KG
Weight Sailplane (Max) 17.64 Lbs 8 KG
Suggested Prop 16X10 to 18X13
Weight 8.8 oz 250G
Diameter 1.4 Inch 36mm
Length 3.2 Inch 82mm
Shaft 6mm
Current 55A
Max Current 70A
Efficiency % 89%
Lipo-Cells 3-6
NIMH/NICAD 10-18
Resistance Ohm 0.019
IoA 2.7
KV RPM/V 2611
Gearbox KV RPM/V 390
Gearbox ratio 6.7
Normal Power (Watts) 1000
Max Power (Watts) 1200
Suggested ESC 50-100



The instructions that came with the motor say 2-3 cells?
I'm confused

The difference to me is using the Thunder Power TP8000 3s4P or TP8000 4s4P
http://www.thunderpower-batteries.com/html/batteries.html
TP8000-3S4P 8000 mAh(11.1V), 4-pin balancer connector
Rating: 1--12C continuous, 18C (144A) burst
Output: 11.1V Nominal, 8000mAh
Dimension: 50mm x 185mm x 29mm
Weight: 474 grams

TP8000-4S4P 8000 mAh(14.8V), 6-pin balancer connector
Rating: 10-12C continuous, 18C (144A) burst
Output: 14.8V Nominal, 8000mAh
Dimension: 50mm x 245mm x 29mm
Weight: 633 grams

davidleitch ran some calcs in motorcal and said the Elite 18 would need 13 volts. If that is true, wouldn't I need the 4S4P of 14.8v to run my system?
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=280474&page=10&pp=15 post #150

I would like to use the 4s4p but I don't want to exceed any limits. Do you think this would be O.K.?

[Jeff85]

atlav8r; figured out how many cells to get:
TP6400-6S3PB 6400 mAh 22.2V :eek:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394769&page=7#post4296125 See post #91

[atlav8r]

atlav8r; figured out how many cells to get:
TP6400-6S3PB 6400 mAh 22.2V :eek:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394769&page=7#post4296125 See post #91

Yes, That will work fine Jeff. As you go up in voltage you can come down with the prop size too. We are using this pack in several of the elite 18 applications.

BTW I have the controllers on the way to the USA and I am also happy to help you with any batteries you might need.

Cliff

[Jeff85]

Please reserve Flash 120. Does it come with a programming card? If so, include with my order. How long before shipment arrives and what is the cost?
Thanks for your help Cliff

[chopped_d]

Anyone have any feedback on the Elite 10? One option for the project i'm getting ready to build and would like to hear any opinions on it.

[atlav8r]

Andy has just posted a review of the Mini Elite over on the Lift Zone
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4586

[atlav8r]

Please reserve Flash 120. Does it come with a programming card? If so, include with my order. How long before shipment arrives and what is the cost?
Thanks for your help Cliff

Won't know for a few days but will keep you posted jeff
CW

[chopped_d]

Maybe i missed it but do the cyclon's come with mounts?

[atlav8r]

Maybe i missed it but do the cyclon's come with mounts?

We stock a lot of different mounts yes. The actual motor is able to be firewall or reversed mounted but no mount is included (if it was it would be the wrong one). I have mounts for most all applications and all firewall lengths in 1/2 inch increments. Call or Email me for more information.

Thanks!
Cliff Whitney

[Jeff85]

Won't know for a few days but will keep you posted jeff
CW

Any word yet on the Flash 120 with programming card???

[Jeff85]

Any word yet on the Flash 120 with programming card???

It's been TWO Weeks, any word on controlers yet?