molded addiction

[addiction man]

i am putting out this thread to see if there is an interest in an all hollow molded mh 32 addiction just like the original with an all up weight of around 60 oz let me know , i am talking with a builder in czeck republic to make this happen .

[Hanagar]

I think I'd rather see the Compulsion remade rather than the Addiction, but that's just my opinion. :)

[Hostage-46]

I think I'd rather see the Compulsion remade rather than the Addiction, but that's just my opinion. :)

I'll second that ..... either way I'd be interested.

[capt soap]

Intrested,,,If I have the $ when it comes out. Lee

[invrtd]

Yes, I would be interested. I am flying a compulsion right now. I was planning on making my own wings in the future. But if you are going to make hollow molded ones, I would go that route. What price range are you looking at? Did you ever sell the onyx you listed for sale.

[Robglover]

The newer version (Compulsion) would be the way to go, with the FS01 airfoil. If you can keep the weight where it was (around 58-60 ounces) and make it as durable as the Compulsion you won't have any trouble selling them at the $600 that the original cost.

Good luck to you.

[georgeg]

i am putting out this thread to see if there is an interest in an all hollow molded mh 32 addiction just like the original with an all up weight of around 60 oz let me know , i am talking with a builder in czeck republic to make this happen .

Interesting idea. I agree with others that the FS01 Compulsion would be the better way to go but even the Addiction wouldn't be bad. It all depends on the price point you can sell them for. I'm interested as I'm sure several of my club mates would be but a lot will depend on price.

[fprintf]

I saw a 2002 Compulsion fly this weekend. I have to say those planes are truly sweet - this one kept popping off the histart but it'd still make a few large circles of the field before setting up for a landing. Wow!

p.s. I won't buy one, but just wanted to post how nice of a plane it is (was).

[nuevo]

What span are you thinking? Bigger spans are more popular then when the Addiction was around. Still have an Addiction fuse hanging in my garage.

Compulsion w/ FS01 would be cool.

[Hostage-46]

Ya a 3.X span would be good.

[Hanagar]

I wouldn't want a FS01 Compulsion - I'd much rather see a 7037 one again.

[Hudley]

addiction man,

Whats the ballpark price? Also, will you have to get Mr. Sage's blessing or will this be a clone that will be named different?

Hudley

[ChuckA]

I am currently flying a FS001 Compulsion and would be in the market for a moulded one. Mine has 5 degrees instead of the stock 2.5 degrees and is much easier to fly.

[Hanagar]

Yes, the FS01 may be great for some areas, but here in the Pacific Northwest, a 7037 wing is much better than the FS01. We have (comparably) light lift, and lower winds than many of the areas for which the FS01 is good.

A plethora of wing styles (like Fred's original offerings) would be great, if possible.

[nuevo]

A plethora of wing styles (like Fred's original offerings) would be great, if possible.

Ahh... that's the rub making molded wings. Takes a tremendous amount of time, effort, and/or money to make a set of molds. Once made, cannot be easily changed. Thus the designs don't get changed often.

With bagged wings, all it takes is a new set of templates (if not using CNC hotwire). Almost no other tooling required.

[addiction man]

i am trying to keep the price in the 750.00 range.span will be about 122 " max ,as far as the compultion goes that was what fred thought was better than an addiction , as far as the fs-01 airfoil , i don't know what it is ,the addiction was my design it came from elite composite designs in santa clarita california , i decided to stop producing them after about 28, my lay-ups were a lot more involved , similar to a super vee . and actually lighter 52 to 54 0z , hank shorz had adiction # 2 , my airfoil was also different modified 7037 rg 15 and 7080 i think mike reagon did well with the first two he had .i also was using lifting tail surfaces as an extra indicater for lift.

[jrerickson]

The original Addiction was about 118" span with a 7037 airfoil. It was really light, under 60 oz. For days when there wasn't much wind I don't think there was a better all around plane, especially for landing. It had big flaps and could fly very slow. The nose cone had a built in skeg and the fuse had sort of a drooped nose. There was a fairly big rudder. All this combined for a great landing plane.

Addiction Man was the designer. His first wings were double taper. The Addictions later went to a triple taper when Fred started making them. I personally thought the triple taper looked better, but most of the guys that flew the double taper swore by that planform.

I had two Addictions and flew them for a long time. I later went to a plane that had more range (for windier conditions) but I've never had a plane that landed as well as the Addiction. The idea of a molded Addiction is cool as long as the tips could be kept super light.

The trend these days has been to go to a longer wingspan. This is better for thermalling, but if you want to work on landings the smaller wingspan is easier to push around. I think around 100" might be the ideal size for landing. Remember the Super Vee? It ruled in the landing circle.

JE

[georgeg]

i am trying to keep the price in the 750.00 range.

If you can keep that price point, I think you'll sell all you can produce. I can remember when Hank Schorz started flying the Addiction. He flew it pretty good. I tried to order one but that was about the time you got out of manufacturing sailplanes. Of course, a lot will depend on the quality of the work. The Emerald was a really great molded sailplane but 1/3 of the Emeralds in my club suffered structural failures due to manufacturing defects.

[HankSchorz]

I'd have to say that the Addiction was overall one of the best sailplanes I've owned (if not the best). The Compulsion (once the problems were worked out - h stab too small) was of the same parent and flew similarly. My Addictions weighed it at around 55 - 57 ounces which was part of the magic since most everyone was flying much heavier at that time. The airfoil blend and dual taper made it handle extremely well in light low altitude lift. When I first flew one it was magic. I gave away the #2 Addiction to someone in the our club who neede an airplane. It would be interesting to see how a new molded one would do. I wouldn't change a thing. And forget the FS01 airfoil and quad tapers.... they lost a bit of the Addiction magic.

[georgeg]

i am trying to keep the price in the 750.00 range.span will be about 122 " max ,

I've talked to my club mates and there are at least 4 of us interested in a molded Addiction. If you manage to bring in some kits, let me know and I'll spread the word. If you're still down in Santa Clarita, we could even drive down and pick them up, no shipping!

[hangerdude1]

Add my name to the list of interested persons. I agree with George - and I am a member of the same club as George. I have been kicking myself since the last Fall Fest at Visalia for not buying the Compulsion that was available at that time.

Ken

[bwanajim]

addictionman: I also wanted to chime in and say that I think a molded addiction could be very successful for you, if the quality is high and you can keep the price down to the $750 range. It will be nice to have more nice molded planes in that price range. However, you might have trouble keeping the price where you want it if the Euro keeps gaining ground. Have you considered having these made in Asia? To date, there are no really high quality molded planes coming from there. Labor would undoubtedly be lower.

The downside, however, is that you may struggle to achieve the quality you require and you might have to spend alot of time helping to work out the process which, in CZ is already well understood. In CZ, you already have an existing workforce skilled in composite construction.

--Jim

[Hanagar]

Wow Jim, does this mean you'd add one of these to your expansive fleet? :)

I've already been considering this if it does happen.

[schrederman]

My Spotted Chicken had Compulsion FS01 wings. I'd be interested in a moldie version of that. I thought it was incredible, in light lift or boomers...

Jack Womack