Estes Boeing 747 and E-767 AWACS Sentry EDF Jumbo Jet

[shschon]

AWACS
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJYF8&P=0

Boeing 747 "Air Force One"
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJYF7&P=0

Look Neat. Great candidate for full RC conversion.

Any thoughts?

[RCParkflyer]

Thats a lot of money to spend just to rip the guts out of her, nice looking planes though (At least the photograph's are)

Looks like you'll have to wait a while for the stock to arrive though...

[Paul DF jet man]

looks to toyish for me.

what ever happened to real life pic's of the aircraft.

[Hawker]

The Boeing 747 "Air Force One" looks pretty nice! Much better than the other two, at least in the pics. Should be interesting.

[termite]

Give it some time and you'll be able to get em' on E-Bay for $50 or $60.00!!!

I've got the AirLifter with Razor 300's in the stock fans.

Around 17 - 18 oz AUW and 16oz+ thrust!! WooHoo!!!!!!!!

Randy

[flflyer]

I have thought about getting this one to convert, I have seen it on markdown in wallmart for 49.99
http://www.estesrockets.com/cgi-bin/products.cgi?view,401

[termite]

flflyer,
Same as mine!
Works GREAT.

Randy

[DiabloKid]

ill wait for the 747 then gut it and convert it :)

matt

[igo]

termite, which brushless motor are you using and what battery? are you planning on putting landing gears so the motors don't rip out during landings?

[termite]

It's got Razor 300s and Phx10s
PolyQuest 1800N 3s

90 + % of the time I can catch it; but when i can't the nacells do pop off

Can't wait to try 4 300s on that 747!

Randy

[bruff]

Once Estes releases the kit just go to the parts section and order just the airframe parts. Alot less money.
Bob

[Tom in Cincy]

Bob, do you still fly the Cessna 337. I keep watching the video. I got ta get one some day.

Tom
My airlifter

[jumbo 747]

estes jumbo 747 18 wheeler..!! lipoly 11.1v 2100Mah thunder power stock motors 2 hs-55 wheels it flys high and far talk of the field;;; well it has a space shuttel that pigi backs on it well worth the time to rip it clean and installl new power system motors draw 18-20 amps 30esc will do... i love it... rutter elevator..

[termite]

Very nicely done.
Looks great

Randy

[shschon]

estes lipoly 11.1 2100 thunder power stock motors 2 hs-55 wheels it flys high and far talk of the field;;; well it has a space shuttel that pigi backs on it well worth the time to rip it clean and installl new power system motors draw 18-20 amps 30esc will do... i love it... rutter elevator..


Looks great! What size wheels are you using? Can you show a picture of your wheel installation? Do you think retract is feasible?

I have bruff convert one for me (two servos aileron and one servo elevator) and I can loop it using stock 8 cell NiMH. I am really impressed. The tiny 650mAh AAA size NiMH can put out almost 13 Amp at full throttle with stock four EDFs (I guess the stock motors are 280 size). Flys really fast. Beats many of my EDF fighter jets and handles wind well. The four nacelles doubles as excellent landing skids on grass.

[bruff]

shschon,
Glad to hear it is a great flier!
Bob

[pacro]

jumbo747 is your Jumbo the Estes model

[shschon]

jumbo747 is your Jumbo the Estes model


Yes it is. I have the same one. From the picture look exactly the same except the custom landing gears.

[SammyB]

I converted the old xb-29 airlifter. These seem to have a decent airfoil. I was never able to get mine to drop a wing, and they glide forever. I flew mine on edf-55 150's with a 2s 1320 tp pack. Long flights and would ROG easily.

[jumbo 747]

estes jumbo 747.. on stock motors retracks .?? more than likely ' NOT!! EVEN WITH THE LIPOLY 11.1v 2100mAH AS WEIGHT IS A ISSUE!! SO TO FLY WELL NO RETRACKS ON STOCK MOTORS.. now burshless motors can be set up with retracks as the power of 4 300rz will handel the weight of super light servo retracks.. i think it looks more real in flight with them down as mine are fixed... pigi back space shuttel..' nasa'

[jumbo 747]

ill show photos later of the BIG ONE! 60inch wings JUMBO BOEING 747 4 STOCK ESTES FANS AND 48INCN BODY ..BUILD IS JUST STARTING,,,

[jumbo 747]

The Big One! Boeing 747 60 Inch Wings.. Body 48inch Pushrods In Today . Melted Hole For Pushrods.. Did Some Light Fill On Body Aslo... MY F-15 TWIN FAN BRUSHLEES 2 -- 1615/2 TURN MEGA... 2 / 45AMP ESC'.....NOT TO CHANGE FROM MY JUMBO 747 JUST TO SHOE DUCTED FAN..JET... THANKS... ""JUMBO 747""

[shschon]

estes jumbo 747.. on stock motors retracks .?? more than likely ' NOT!! EVEN WITH THE LIPOLY 11.1v 2100mAH AS WEIGHT IS A ISSUE!! SO TO FLY WELL NO RETRACKS ON STOCK MOTORS.. now burshless motors can be set up with retracks as the power of 4 300rz will handel the weight of super light servo retracks.. i think it looks more real in flight with them down as mine are fixed... pigi back space shuttel..' nasa'


I see you have a SUPER LARGE rudder. Not only did you cut out almost all vertical tail you even extend the rudder with extra material. Is that necessary? Mine has no rudder at all.

[jumbo 747]

well i can say this to have nice controll of this bird the tail addon is for big wind what i have to fly in hear all the time.... if you fly where their is not much wind it's not needed and yes i cut tail fin... photo'' without the addon rutter.... .....adddd rutter works well.....

[jumbo 747]

transform has begun!!! as the estes jumbo 747 motors and mounts have been cut out from the estes wings!!! and moved to the BIG ONE boeing 747 60in wing .. 48in body well here is a photo of the cut out mounts and glued in the big boeing 747...

[Joe 1320]

estes jumbo 747 18 wheeler..!! lipoly 11.1v 2100Mah thunder power stock motors 2 hs-55 wheels it flys high and far talk of the field;;; well it has a space shuttel that pigi backs on it well worth the time to rip it clean and installl new power system motors draw 18-20 amps 30esc will do... i love it... rutter elevator..

Where can I get a landing gear kit like that for mine? Will it taxi and ROG?

[jumbo 747]

estes jumbo 747 landing gear are home made as i had no kit that i could find so i used 1.1/4 e-flight wheels foam and grafite tubes to hold the gear and plastic squar tube lightweigth.. to hold the wheels... and metal rod for axels and retrack air tubing too keep wheels on rod... .....well more photos of THE BIG ONE 747 BOEING..... ESTES 747 MOTORS IN AND WHEELS IN PLACE,.... ,IT'S KOOL....... :cool: 60INCH WINGS AND 48INCH BODY

[Joe 1320]

estes jumbo 747 landing gear are home made as i had no kit that i could find so i used 1.1/4 e-flight wheels foam and grafite tubes to hold the gear and plastic squar tube lightweigth.. to hold the wheels... and metal rod for axels and retrack air tubing too keep wheels on rod... .....well more photos of THE BIG ONE 747 BOEING..... ESTES 747 MOTORS IN AND WHEELS IN PLACE,.... ,IT'S KOOL....... :cool: 60INCH WINGS AND 48INCH BODY

Will it taxi and rise off ground?

[jumbo 747]

joe 1320 all my birds fly well beond demand so to anwser 1# yes taxi ,, 2# yes its like the real thing .. THE BIG ONE! BOEING 747-299 ESTES MOTORS.... tho rutter and elevator only .. i like this set up better as it flys high and far so this makes for great controll with out to much roll on the wings...,,,,,,........."" got horse power ""

[Joe 1320]

Awesome. :cool:

[deadduck]

The Big One! Boeing 747 60 Inch Wings.. Body 48inch Pushrods In Today . Melted Hole For Pushrods.. Did Some Light Fill On Body Aslo... MY F-15 TWIN FAN BRUSHLEES 2 -- 1615/2 TURN MEGA... 2 / 45AMP ESC'.....NOT TO CHANGE FROM MY JUMBO 747 JUST TO SHOE DUCTED FAN..JET... THANKS... ""JUMBO 747""

Who makes "The Big One"?

Is it Styro or EPP?

[jumbo 747]

The Big One Boeing 747-200 Jumbo Jet With Estes Motors & Mounts, Made By A Hoobby Co. That Is No More!! Well Cant Tell You Where You Will Find One Either ...this Nice Styro Foam Is A Rare Boeing Did Not Issue The Ok For These 747-200 To Be Made,,,. So The Hobby Co. Ciosed.... Thats All I Know! ....

[deadduck]

The Big One Boeing 747-200 Jumbo Jet With Estes Motors & Mounts, Made By A Hoobby Co. That Is No More!! Well Cant Tell You Where You Will Find One Either ...this Nice Styro Foam Is A Rare Boeing Did Not Issue The Ok For These 747-200 To Be Made,,,. So The Hobby Co. Ciosed.... Thats All I Know! ....

The pictures you posted are of the HobbyFlite 747. Pusher prop nacelle at the tail, clear plastic rudder and elevator, etc....

It was licensed by Boeing, but the owner of HobbyFlite stopped making them, possibly because the license renewal fee after the original term of the license ran out, may have been too high....

I think the owner went back to making movies (special effects??).

They occasionally show up on ebay.

That's where I got mine.

And no, I'm not selling it.

But I am looking for the original landing gear from HobbyFlite and the Speed 300 nacelles... They're sitting in someone's stash somewhere. :D

[fabiofleal]

Hello, everybody.
I have one like Termit's plane shown in the pictures above. It's a 2-channel version and I plan to convert it to full RC (Have bought the 4-ch radio, 2 micro servos, ESC and receiver alraedy). How do You connect the speed control to manage the twin EDF's simultaneously Is there any significant jeopardy to the performance if I just cut and re-attch the wires instaead of using a "Y" connector ?

By the way, my plane is a Made in China by Fei Ma Toys. Do anyone of You know about its technical specs ? There's no trace of then and I need the data such as thrust, power consumption (Amperes), etc to use these EDF's in my Boeing 737-300 (under construction).

Tks!

[LK2TINKR]

My wife got me one of the Estes 747's last year, I finally got around to converting it. 5 channel conversion, A-E-T-NWS-RET, using a total of 6 servo's and a 30 amp ESC and a 6 channel GWS receiver. Power is stock fans and motors running on a single , 3S, 20C, 1800 mah Hyperion. I made the ailerons and elevators pretty close to scale outlines so I was a little unsure how the handling may turn out but she flies fine.

Landing gear mains and nose are discontinued Wattage units. 4-wheel main and double nose bogies are homemade from aluminum. The retracts operate from separate GWS Naro+BB servo's (1 main, 1 nose) and NWS is a GWS pico servo. Ailerons and elevator are HS-55's.

Original test flight ended in disaster as the voltage regulator in the ESC shut down after about a minute at about 150 feet and she spiraled in from there. I fitted a separate BEC for the re-maiden today and flew her 3 times without any incidents. Overall, I'm happy with the results, she looks pretty cool zoomin' by... :cool:

[shschon]

My wife got me one of the Estes 747's last year, I finally got around to converting it. 5 channel conversion, A-E-T-NWS-RET, using a total of 6 servo's and a 30 amp ESC and a 6 channel GWS receiver. Power is stock fans and motors running on a single , 3S, 20C, 1800 mah Hyperion. I made the ailerons and elevators pretty close to scale outlines so I was a little unsure how the handling may turn out but she flies fine.

Landing gear mains and nose are discontinued Wattage units. 4-wheel main and double nose bogies are homemade from aluminum. The retracts operate from separate GWS Naro+BB servo's (1 main, 1 nose) and NWS is a GWS pico servo. Ailerons and elevator are HS-55's.

Original test flight ended in disaster as the voltage regulator in the ESC shut down after about a minute at about 150 feet and she spiraled in from there. I fitted a separate BEC for the re-maiden today and flew her 3 times without any incidents. Overall, I'm happy with the results, she looks pretty cool zoomin' by... :cool:

Cool, do you have close up picture how you made the scale 4 wheel mains?

Also the stock battery is 8cell NiMH and a 2 cell LiPo is more close match to stock battery. I wonder how long the stock motors would last on 3 cell but I get you would have much more power than stock.

[LK2TINKR]

Video of 747 re-maiden flight. The heavy overcast was playing tricks with the camera.

747 maiden flight (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531673)

[LK2TINKR]

shschon,

I tested the plane on the bench with a 2 cell but the performance was only marginally better than stock set up. I ran a stock fan on a 3 cell set up for at least 5 minutes while monitoring end bell temperature and recorded 136 F as maximum which I felt was ok. I'm curious to see how many flights the stock motors will give before concking out. In any case, once airborne, I'm flying mostly 1/2 to 3/4 throttle which should help.

Here's some pic's of the main bogies.

[Joe 1320]

I briefly ran mine with an 11.1 volt 1500 mah lipo and the motors were screaming! I'm not sure how long they would last so I don't think I'm going to use the lipo.

[kent1201]

This is mine B-777. Over 20 flights and great!!
http://www.e-fly.idv.tw/efly/attachments/month_0605/4_FewxVHDctofq.jpg

http://www.e-fly.idv.tw/efly/attachments/month_0605/17_49mgFyt56Jd5.jpg

http://www.e-fly.idv.tw/efly/attachments/month_0605/01_g3bL9XL00IGf.jpg

[shschon]

shschon,

I tested the plane on the bench with a 2 cell but the performance was only marginally better than stock set up. I ran a stock fan on a 3 cell set up for at least 5 minutes while monitoring end bell temperature and recorded 136 F as maximum which I felt was ok. I'm curious to see how many flights the stock motors will give before concking out. In any case, once airborne, I'm flying mostly 1/2 to 3/4 throttle which should help.

Here's some pic's of the main bogies.


I am flying mine using 2 cell 2100mAh 20C LiPo and yes the performance is very close to that of stock 8 cell NiMH and under load voltage 7.2V, under load Amp 11~13 Amp (from all 4 motors).

What is the voltage and Amp draw at 3 cell?

[LK2TINKR]

The stock set up weighs 24.25 oz. ready to take off. The power is 13 amps at 7.3 volts, rapidly dropping to ~ 11.5 to 12 amps at 7.0 volts. This is roughly 100 watts of power and about 7 oz. of thrust. This gives around 65 watts per pound and a 0.24 thrust to weight ratio which is consistant with the stock performance.

My 3 cell set up gives the following:

Power: 24 amps at 10.8 volts = 250 watts
Thrust: 14 oz.
Weight: 30 oz, ready to take off
P/W ratio: 133 watts per pound
T/W ratio: 14/30 = 0.47

Even at half throttle, the power is 18 amps which is 50% more than stock so the difference is very dramatic. The longevity of the motors is not guaranteed!

[shschon]

The stock set up weighs 24.25 oz. ready to take off. The power is 13 amps at 7.3 volts, rapidly dropping to ~ 11.5 to 12 amps at 7.0 volts. This is roughly 100 watts of power and about 7 oz. of thrust. This gives around 65 watts per pound and a 0.24 thrust to weight ratio which is consistant with the stock performance.

My 3 cell set up gives the following:

Power: 24 amps at 10.8 volts = 250 watts
Thrust: 14 oz.
Weight: 30 oz, ready to take off
P/W ratio: 133 watts per pound
T/W ratio: 14/30 = 0.47

Even at half throttle, the power is 18 amps which is 50% more than stock so the difference is very dramatic. The longevity of the motors is not guaranteed!

WOW! Double thrust! That must be fun. If the stock motor burns out do you have in mind some brushless motor upgrade? Do you think the stock motor is 100 size motor?

[LK2TINKR]

The stock motors are a long can 180 type, very similar to the motor that Wattage uses in their small park flyers. It has a an all metal can and end bell with carbon brushes so it should be able to handle 6 amps, at least for a while anyway. I ran one of those in a Cox phantom look-alike on 3 cells for a long time without failure before upgrading it to a GWS EDF-50 with a Feigao 12 mm diameter 5300 kv motor. I still enjoy flying it. I think that same motor should be a good upgrade replacement for the 747 except the stock fan doesn't seem too easy to dis-assemble without total destruction. I guess we'll figure it out when we get there...

[Joe 1320]

the stock fan doesn't seem too easy to dis-assemble without total destruction. I guess we'll figure it out when we get there...

If you look closely, you'll see a joint line running the circumference. by splitting the foam there, you should have no problems getting to the motor. Also if you look close, the fan gets threaded on the front.

[LK2TINKR]

Thanks for the tip. I had gotten past the nacelle but the fan had me stumped. I'll look at it again to see how to hold the motor shaft so the fan can be spun off.

[jumbo 747]

I briefly ran mine with an 11.1 volt 1500 mah lipo and the motors were screaming! I'm not sure how long they would last so I don't think I'm going to use the lipo.
joe 1320 i use A 2100 THUNDER POWER AND IHAVE AROUND 30 FLIGHTS SO ALLS GOOD AS I MANAGE THE POWER AND ITS GREAT I USE THE 2100 11.1V ON THE ESTES 4 FANS AND MY JUMBO 747 THAT I PUT 4 ESTES STOCK MOTOR FANS 2100MAH 11.1V SO AS FAS MOTOR LASTING THAY HAVE..... AND HAVE POWER WELL MINE FLY HIGH AND FAR LOW FLY BUYS THAY DO IT ALL AND LOOK REALY REAL IN THE SKY UP HIGH... WELL I ONLY USE THE LIPOY ON MY ESTES AND JUMBO 747 GOOD TO HEAR THO THAY FLY WELL ON STOCK NIMH........ JUMBO 747 HERE.............

[Joe 1320]

joe 1320 i use A 2100 THUNDER POWER AND IHAVE AROUND 30 FLIGHTS SO ALLS GOOD AS I MANAGE THE POWER ........

That is one thing that I wish was a stock feature. The throttle is either off or on, there is no proportional throttle. :( I have a 1500 mah lipo that was planning on using, as soon as I throttled up I figured the stock fans/motors wouldn't last long. Those little fans literally scream. Any idea how many amps all 4 stock engines pull?

[jumbo 747]

That is one thing that I wish was a stock feature. The throttle is either off or on, there is no proportional throttle. :( I have a 1500 mah lipo that was planning on using, as soon as I throttled up I figured the stock fans/motors wouldn't last long. Those little fans literally scream. Any idea how many amps all 4 stock engines pull?
not sure what your saying i use my own speed controller and recierver so i have controll over the throttel about 5 amp if i rember right per motor.. and around 50+ watts per motor on the 2100 11.1v lipo and yes if you use full power on the motors with out reducing power you will blow the little motor :eek: ,,,,,,,,,,,so add a speed controller and reciever and manage your power and it will be fine.. full throttle for around 15-20 sec power down to 3/4 power and and then down to 1/3 power then power up to full power for around 10-15 sec and then power down to 3/4 to 1/2 power.. and fly that bird.

[LK2TINKR]

The 1500 lipo will need to be at least 15C (15 x 1.5 = 22.5 amps) to handle the load, as I mentioned earlier the 3 cell set up pulls up to 24 amps at WOT. I'm using a 20C rated 1800 mah lipo (Hyperion) with good results. A friend of mine just built one using throttle, rudder and elevator and flying a 2 cell, 2100 TP pack. I checked it out on my power meter, it's pulling 13 amps, dropping to 11.5 quickly. Flys ok but it's pretty anemic and has to be flown mostly full throttle.

[jumbo 747]

ok here is my e-flite convert to my jumbo 747 4 fans 4 brushless motors 8300mah 11.1V in batterys wing tips ADDED and the hump 0n top of cab i added ... and the airliner name LUFTHANSA :eek: :) :rolleyes: :p :D

[ehroof]

nice posts guys, i havent even flown my estes 747 af1 or the af2 yet, waiting for a super calm day, they are nice looking planes. the af2 looks just like the awacs plane.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t288/ehroof/af1.jpg http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t288/ehroof/af2.jpg

[shschon]

nice posts guys, i havent even flown my estes 747 af1 or the af2 yet, waiting for a super calm day, they are nice looking planes. the af2 looks just like the awacs plane.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t288/ehroof/af1.jpg http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t288/ehroof/af2.jpg


The AWACS is the same plane just with added dome and a camera.

You don't need a calm day. I have flown these two extensively they actually fly better with some wind. I think they were designed primarily as a glider as the stock power is weak (at least with stock NiMH battery). These penetrate wind well and they are made of super tough EPP you can crash all you like and fly again in no time.

[ehroof]

ok, you talked me into it, i will try out over the weekend and see how it goes and let you know.

[ehroof]

didnt fly :( , did anyone else?