B52 crash

[rchawks]

Almost everyone on this site has seen the crash , but little has been said about the specs. Wingspan, area, weight, something. Does anyone have any imfo on this?????????

[Gonnacrash]

rchawks,
you have a PM.... Sorry but you're not set up for e-mails
Don-Basehor, Ks

[ParkFlyer314]

this site has most of it. click on info
http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm

[rchawks]

:D Thanks Guys! This is what everyone at work was asking for.

[rchawks]

And thanks for the heads up in Kansas City in April Gonnacrash!

[Gonnacrash]

RCHAWKS
You have yet another PM... Come on man, let us send you an e-mail !!
Don-Basehor, Ks.

[rchawks]

:D I added the E-Mail option

[flyinazn10]

ive seen it (duh) but never really have looked into it. was the crash due to pilot error? radio glitch? bad luck?

[rchawks]

I've watched it several times. There is more than one clip and appears to have been filmed on different days. In my opinion for whats it's worth, it was without a doubt pilot error. If you notice the grass and the sound the mic picked up and the way the aircraft took off on the day it crashed there was alot of wind. Maybe too much wind to even be flying because of the risk of making a mistake. I'm sure with the carmera crew as well as all of the ppl watching there was alot of pressure to go ahead with the flight. I think the mistake and correct me if anyone knows different was the fact that he simply didn't keep enough airspeed in the downwind turn which caused the left wing to drop and with all that weight (330lbs) there wasn't enougth altitude to recover from the stall. A very basic mistake I think. You see this all the time when flying on the slope where the wind isn't 90 degrees to the cliff.

[mikeb33]

I've watched it several times. There is more than one clip and appears to have been filmed on different days. In my opinion for whats it's worth, it was without a doubt pilot error. If you notice the grass and the sound the mic picked up and the way the aircraft took off on the day it crashed there was alot of wind. Maybe too much wind to even be flying because of the risk of making a mistake. I'm sure with the carmera crew as well as all of the ppl watching there was alot of pressure to go ahead with the flight. I think the mistake and correct me if anyone knows different was the fact that he simply didn't keep enough airspeed in the downwind turn which caused the left wing to drop and with all that weight (330lbs) there wasn't enougth altitude to recover from the stall. A very basic mistake I think. You see this all the time when flying on the slope where the wind isn't 90 degrees to the cliff.

I saw a real B52 crash video and sounds like the same thing. Way too much bank for the altitude and speed.

[dag214]

If you go to LMA website the pilot admits that he had dumb thumbs with the plane having the gray skies as a back ground. Also the plane was said to have a poor roll rate so once he got to far into the roll he didnt have a chance to save it.

[Flying Scotsman]

Thats a shame. Really shouldn't have flown in that wind but he doesn't need us telling him that im sure he knows that. The good news is he is well in his way rebuilding it.

[mikeb33]

You would think a plane that big and heavy could handle some pretty hefty wind.

[leccyflyer]

Just heard this morning on the 'net that the rebuilt giant B-52 has crashed on her maiden flight and been totalled.

[Robert May]

Where on the net did you read that Brian? Please post a link.

Regards

Robert

[leccyflyer]

It's being discussed at the moment over on the RC Flyers forum.

http://www.rcmodelflyers.co.uk/4um/index.php?topic=17643.0

The LMA Chairman has announced in that thread, that there will be an investigation at Cosford tomorrow and the reasons for the crash will be announced then and has asked that the speculation as to the cause be curtailed until then.

[Robert May]

Thanks Brian

[rchawks]

Terrible news.

[Hank Scorpio]

Not again. Poor bugger.

[Quacker]

If there was ever a plane that need an FMA Copilot--that was it. It would have saved the plane and the day! And talk about cheap insurance.

[jswjimmy]

the real one can do that too

http://www.jswjimmy.com/video/b52_crash.wmv

[Quacker]

That re-kits it.

[leccyflyer]

Double post

[leccyflyer]

The LMA have stated that they will not endorse a rebuild of this particular model. As they are the authority charged by the CAA with the responsibility for administrating the required inspections and certification of a model of this size that means we are unlikely to see it being rebuilt a second time.

No reason for the crash was published and none will be published until the official report has been made to the CAA.

[chipmonk]

this second b52 was not a rebuild of the original but a complete second build

[HELModels]

Twice is enough to make one Polytheistic. Did somebody lose track of a couple of Gods? ;)

[JettPilot]

Thats really sad. I loved the big B-52 :(

That being said, the first crash was idiiotic, losing orientation with a plane that big, just plain incompetent flying.... A 79 dollar FMA copilot (or better yet a pilot that knew how to fly RC) could have saved that one :rolleyes:

They are saying a battery fell off a former and was the cause of the second crash. If that plane is dependent on any one battery or radio, again it was stupid. They should have two complete radio systems in a plane that valuable, just really poor design....

My plane is nothing compared to that B-52, but its big enough that I put in two complete radio systems. I had a battery go bad once, lost one entire radio system, and landed my plane without incident.

I feel bad for this guy, but not to bad, because both crashes were beginner type stupid and should have never happened...

[Artemetra]

My plane is nothing compared to that B-52, but its big enough that I put in two complete radio systems. I had a battery go bad once, lost one entire radio system, and landed my plane without incident.

I feel bad for this guy, but not to bad, because both crashes were beginner type stupid and should have never happened...

Wow, you only put TWO backups in? That's not enough...

>>PLEASE PLEASE Guys,before we get any more "alledged"reasons why the model crashed,let me put the record straight so far.The new model had 4,four,receivers and back ups,and it was nothing to do with the "alledged" fault.The model had been inspected over the months by 4 of our inspectors,up to the final check the day before test flying started.The pilot then was given authorisation to test by the CAA,and crashed,on a private airstrip,in private,no public there.This is the aim of the several hours of test flights which this type of model has to go thro,to iron out any problems before getting authorisation to fly in public.A meeting will be taking place at RAF Cosford late tommorrow ref this incident,and findings will be published on the LMA website,and i will copy on here.So please,no more speculation as to what happened,it does none of us any good at all. Thanks in anticipation for your co-operation------DAK<<

[Quacker]

Thank you.

[JettPilot]

Thanks for the information Aretmetra !

Then what I said only goes for the first crash.....

Like I siad, my plane is nothing compared to that B-52, so two complete radio systems is enough :D .

Do you have any video of the crash ? Do you have any pictures of the remains ? What caused the crash ? Come on, with that many people involved and present the cause has to be pretty appearant. Trying to keep everything secret just makes people angary and worsens the speculation. This "we have not completed our investigation" garbage is just lame, fashioned, and ill conceived.

In the US where there is an airliner crash, it takes the investigators many months to complete thier investigation, but they always say "here is what we know so far, and this is what it appears to be........." PEOPLE RESPECT THAT :)

[leccyflyer]

Thanks for the information Aretmetra !

Then what I said only goes for the first crash.....

Like I siad, my plane is nothing compared to that B-52, so two complete radio systems is enough :D .

Do you have any video of the crash ? Do you have any pictures of the remains ? What caused the crash ? Come on, with that many people involved and present the cause has to be pretty appearant. Trying to keep everything secret just makes people angary and worsens the speculation. This "we have not completed our investigation" garbage is just lame, fashioned, and ill conceived.

In the US where there is an airliner crash, it takes the investigators many months to complete thier investigation, but they always say "here is what we know so far, and this is what it appears to be........." PEOPLE RESPECT THAT :)

This isn't an airliner crash, it's a model that crashed on a private test flight. There have been consequences of that, as described above, and more information will be released in a couple of weeks apparently. There has been a lot of speculation and rumour but according to various reports a definitive statement will be made in due course.

[JettPilot]

No it isnt an airliner crash, but my point is,

JUST TELL US WHAT HAPPENED. Giving honest information is the best course of action in any type of accident.

If they dont want speculation and roumour, tell us what they know so far. That will stop all the speculation and roumours cold. I think they are trying to be dramatic and self important by saying "we dont have our final report yet blah blah blah..." It was a model, tell us what they know so far and what they think went wrong, and of course the "the final report is not out yet, and this information is peliminary."

There are SO many time in the airport terminal when the weather is bad, or when our airplane is on maintenance that I have to give people bad news, but they ALWAYS appreciate information. Be it good or bad, or even if it is just my best guess as to when it will be fixed, or when the weather will clear... Bottom line is, people like to be informed, be it good, bad, or an educated guess based on experience. What really pisses them off is not telling them what we know.

That British model team is pretty naieve when it comes to people....

[leccyflyer]

No it isnt an airliner crash, but my point is,

JUST TELL US WHAT HAPPENED. Giving honest information is the best course of action in any type of accident.

If they dont want speculation and roumour, tell us what they know so far. That will stop all the speculation and roumours cold. I think they are trying to be dramatic and self important by saying "we dont have our final report yet blah blah blah..." It was a model, tell us what they know so far and what they think went wrong, and of course the "the final report is not out yet, and this information is peliminary.

There are SO many time in the terminal when the weather is bad, or the our airplane is on maintenance that I have to give people bad news, but they ALWAYS appreciate information, be it good or bad, or even if its my best guess as to when we will be departing. Bottom line is, people like to be informed, be it good, bad, or a guess based on experience. What really pisses them off is not telling them what we know.

That British model team is pretty naieve when it comes to people....


It wouldn't be proper for me to put what had been heard from various sources up on a public forum. I'm sure that they aren't trying to be dramatic about this, but there are certain procedures that they need to follow. I've got no connection to the team, or anything to do with the LMA or CAA and am nothing to do with the investigation. I'm certainly not going to speculate on the cause of the crash or repeat any of the rumours that have been put forward since.

The announcement was made that there was a second crash, that is something worth reporting in this thread, so I put it up when it was announced and when there is something else officially announced then it will also end up here.

[JettPilot]

I'm sure that they aren't trying to be dramatic about this, but there are certain procedures that they need to follow.

Thats usually the EXCUSE people use for not giving information. Let them do thier entire formal investigation, more power to them.

But that does NOT stop them from posting something like " Here is what happened, and here is what we know so far...

The whole secrecy thing is just LAME.

[Quacker]

JettPilot,

Why don't you check into their procedures? Perhaps not releasing info until a determination is made, is how their internal agreement works.

Best,
Q

[JettPilot]

I dont know what is driving thier secrecy, and really dont care. It would be better if they just told people what happened. Its that simple.......

[Quacker]

Well, I guess we'll just have to sit and wait together.

[RGinCanada]

Hi JettPilot:

I'd respectfully submit that there are major differences between *real* airplane crashes, or even terminal delays, and this.

If you crashed your R/C plane, would you be obligated to report on the details? Nope.
Do you need to know what happened to ensure your R/C plane doesn't crash? Nope!
Does this affect your daily schedule or travel plans? Nope!!!
Did you invest money or time in this project or the overseeing body? Nope!!! (I'm guessing)

As such "they" owe us nothing. Its not secrecy, they are doing their jobs. Hey, I'm curious to know the details, too, but unless they are asking me to contribute to the next rebuild, I don't figure they have to tell me what happened.

[rchawks]

I would be very interested in any video footage ( it was filmed was it not?) Or any pictures. But I guess that even that amount of imformation hasn't been released either. The interest that this aircraft has stirred around the World is breathtaking. I would think that the examanation of the event would be simliar to its full scale cousin, but it would be nice to hear something in advance. Procedure dictates a different tack though as was mentioned I'm afraid. We will have to wait.

[RGinCanada]

JettPilot,

Its a lucky thing I have children, and am immune to juvenile insults. I have read through all the posts, and carefully considered my comments.

Perhaps the investigators are naive to think a civilized request to wait for the report would be met with patience, but they are not in public relations.

I guess I was naive to think that you would consider looking at the situation from a different perspective. My apologies.

Please feel free to continue your hissy fit unencumbered by manners, reason, or balanced discussion...

[Tonystott]

Jettpilot,
I am surprised that you seem to be offended because some people have not publicised details of an incident which occured at a private test session. While many of us are interested in these giant models, I certainly don't see why any of the parties involved need to issue any statement other than the guarded one they did issue.

As I understand it, the LMA in UK have a strict process, as a delegated authority from the country's civil aviation body, when checking out a new large model, including build inspections, and then a series of strictly controlled private observed test flights largely echoing the full size practice. The flight during which the model crashed was one of these PRIVATE sessions.

What special right do you have to be privy to any information about that session?

And why should the parties involved need to be involved in public relations? It wasn't publicly funded as far as I can tell, so surely the parties only have an obligation to those directly involved, not to anyone with a prurient passing interest.

[WaterDog]

3,2,1, Boom.

[Tonystott]

Jettpilot, THEY DIDN"T PUT THEIR AIRPLANE IN A VERY PUBLIC ARENA! You are obviously confusing the new plane with the previous one. THIS one was never seen in public, and is quite simply none of your business.

Get over it. Take a chill pill. Calm down. yada yada yada

[Keith R.]

let me get this strait. the first one is the one with the video? and they rebuilt it and crashed it again? and this one is not on video?
Thanks,

Keith

[Aceshigh84]

You got it right. They both crashed however the only known video is of the first.

[Keith R.]

He crashed it twice? Damn that sucks.
was it sponsered?

Keith

[Aceshigh84]

I don't know about sponsorship but he sure has the logistical support to pull it off judging the quote earlier in this thread.