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Stuart Dawson
Feb 06, 2005, 05:11 AM
I'm a site engineer (US: construction surveyor) - I lay out work for
construction, using a Leica TCR110 total station with reflectorless
distance measurement and a laser pointer.

I've been playing around, experimenting with a Nikko M1A1 RC tank, as a
sort of "robot assistant". To set out a point, usually a pile position,
I direct the tank to the required point using bearing and distance, walk
out to it and mark the point using a spray-paint marker, walk back to
the instrument, and go to work on the next point. One-man operation.

This works reasonably well in the right conditions, but the little Nikko
tank obviously isn't big enough for the job, so I'd appreciate any
suggestions for a more suitable bit of gear. Some observations:

a. Despite the tracks, it just isn't big enough or heavy enough - rocks,
wheel ruts and so on defeat it on all but the most favourable sites. It
gets stuck, and I have to walk out and free it up before continuing.

b. It's performed well in wet conditions, but it isn't designed for
them, and I fear the wet (and dirt) will kill it sooner or later.

c. Range is a problem. Effective working range for the method is 40 to
50 m - beyond that the walk out and back takes too long, and it's time
to move the instrument. But I lose RC response at about 20 - 25 m - not
good enough.

d. It's too slow. Sometimes, up close, it's quicker to walk out, lift it
and move it close to the next point - which kinda defeats the object.

e. If I could mount some sort of dispenser to carry a 2-lb. can of
spray-paint I could eliminate the walking and just drive the tank from
one point to the next - big efficiency gain. The Nikko is nowhere near
big enough for this.

f. I think it has to be tracks, not wheels, for two reasons. The rough
terrain (see (a) above); and the need for fine movement to get the
gadget exactly onto the point.

I'd be grateful for any suggestions.


PS. The boys on the site fall around laughing when they see it. My
feelings are hurt when they call me "Rommel". I need a few witty
comebacks.

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C.M.German
Feb 06, 2005, 09:11 AM
"Stuart Dawson" <sd@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Ak5eTZAkSeBCVw5W@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk...
>
> I'm a site engineer (US: construction surveyor) - I lay out work for
> construction, using a Leica TCR110 total station with reflectorless
> distance measurement and a laser pointer.
>
> I've been playing around, experimenting with a Nikko M1A1 RC tank, as a
> sort of "robot assistant". To set out a point, usually a pile position,
> I direct the tank to the required point using bearing and distance, walk
> out to it and mark the point using a spray-paint marker, walk back to
> the instrument, and go to work on the next point. One-man operation.
>
> This works reasonably well in the right conditions, but the little Nikko
> tank obviously isn't big enough for the job, so I'd appreciate any
> suggestions for a more suitable bit of gear. Some observations:
>
> a. Despite the tracks, it just isn't big enough or heavy enough - rocks,
> wheel ruts and so on defeat it on all but the most favourable sites. It
> gets stuck, and I have to walk out and free it up before continuing.
>
> b. It's performed well in wet conditions, but it isn't designed for
> them, and I fear the wet (and dirt) will kill it sooner or later.
>
> c. Range is a problem. Effective working range for the method is 40 to
> 50 m - beyond that the walk out and back takes too long, and it's time
> to move the instrument. But I lose RC response at about 20 - 25 m - not
> good enough.
>
> d. It's too slow. Sometimes, up close, it's quicker to walk out, lift it
> and move it close to the next point - which kinda defeats the object.
>
> e. If I could mount some sort of dispenser to carry a 2-lb. can of
> spray-paint I could eliminate the walking and just drive the tank from
> one point to the next - big efficiency gain. The Nikko is nowhere near
> big enough for this.
>
> f. I think it has to be tracks, not wheels, for two reasons. The rough
> terrain (see (a) above); and the need for fine movement to get the
> gadget exactly onto the point.
>
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions.
>
>
> PS. The boys on the site fall around laughing when they see it. My
> feelings are hurt when they call me "Rommel". I need a few witty
> comebacks.
>
> --
> |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Stuart Dawson Dawson Engineering
> sd@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk Belfast, Northern Ireland
>
> neXus construction layout software for Texas Instruments calculators
> http://www.dawson-eng.demon.co.uk/nexus/
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Rick Russell
Feb 06, 2005, 11:11 AM
In article <Ak5eTZAkSeBCVw5W@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk>,
Stuart Dawson <sd@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm a site engineer (US: construction surveyor) - I lay out work for
> construction, using a Leica TCR110 total station with reflectorless
> distance measurement and a laser pointer.

That's very cool, and entirely possible with standard RC equipment.

I would suggest:

-- A big electric truck. The E-Maxx is the obvious choice. Nice thing
about the Maxx trucks is that you can upgrade to bigger tires and
wheels if the stock items don't quite handle the terrain. But the
stock tires and wheels will handle some pretty unforgiving terrain.

-- Lock the E-maxx in first gear and use the third channel to spray
paint. To do this, you'll need to construct some sort of bracket to
hold a spray can, then use the shift servo to activate the
sprayer. This could be as simple as a harness that holds the servo
in place against the top of the can, so the servo can mash the
sprayer down.

That's it. You could probably get 100 meters out of the stock E-Maxx
radio. Cost (in US dollars) would be $300 for the E-Maxx, about $100
for cheap charger and some batteries, and whatever you need to
jury-rig a harness for the spray can.

Rick R.

Nithog
Feb 06, 2005, 11:11 AM
Tell the boys on the site to watch it, this thing fires real ammo!

"Rick Russell" <rickr@is.rice.edu> wrote in message
news:cu5ai2$du3$1@joe.rice.edu...
> In article <Ak5eTZAkSeBCVw5W@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk>,
> Stuart Dawson <sd@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'm a site engineer (US: construction surveyor) - I lay out work for
>> construction, using a Leica TCR110 total station with reflectorless
>> distance measurement and a laser pointer.
>
> That's very cool, and entirely possible with standard RC equipment.
>
> I would suggest:
>
> -- A big electric truck. The E-Maxx is the obvious choice. Nice thing
> about the Maxx trucks is that you can upgrade to bigger tires and
> wheels if the stock items don't quite handle the terrain. But the
> stock tires and wheels will handle some pretty unforgiving terrain.
>
> -- Lock the E-maxx in first gear and use the third channel to spray
> paint. To do this, you'll need to construct some sort of bracket to
> hold a spray can, then use the shift servo to activate the
> sprayer. This could be as simple as a harness that holds the servo
> in place against the top of the can, so the servo can mash the
> sprayer down.
>
> That's it. You could probably get 100 meters out of the stock E-Maxx
> radio. Cost (in US dollars) would be $300 for the E-Maxx, about $100
> for cheap charger and some batteries, and whatever you need to
> jury-rig a harness for the spray can.
>
> Rick R.
>

Frater Mus
Feb 07, 2005, 11:11 AM
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 at 09:34 GMT, <sd@dawson-eng.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> This works reasonably well in the right conditions, but the little Nikko
> tank obviously isn't big enough for the job, so I'd appreciate any
> suggestions for a more suitable bit of gear. Some observations:

The E-Maxx is the usual workhorse for those kinds of jobs. Used by
national geographic, various LEO and military groups. Even got
slashdotted recently in EOD trim.


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