Nitromethane and Cancer

[kenji]

Now that the new eleventh list of 78 compounds and things known to
cause cancer has recently come out and nitromethane just made the list I
wonder how this might change the RC industry?

I'm not fully informed yet, but it looks like inhalation of it is the
most hazardous...but I wonder about skin contact with RC fuel.

<ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.c...0BD6936CC>

[Chris Dugan]

"kenji" <kenji@ripco.com> wrote in message
news:kenji-A54B95.21154401022005@news.ftupet.com...
> Now that the new eleventh list of 78 compounds and things known to
> cause cancer has recently come out and nitromethane just made the list I
> wonder how this might change the RC industry?
>
> I'm not fully informed yet, but it looks like inhalation of it is the
> most hazardous...but I wonder about skin contact with RC fuel.
>
> <ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.c...0BD6936CC>

I think that in the next few years that the industry will have to make
radical changes or it goes the way of the Dodo due to nanny states
'protecting' us from ourselves from the various effects of radio waves,
toxic substances in fuel, glues, circuit boards etc. We might end up
switching to high octane petrol(gasoline) as opposed to
nitromethane/methanol based fuels and probably Lithium batteries once a
robust cell has been developed.

My solution is to just drink beer to cancel out the effect:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/20/beer_fights_cancer/

Or accept the fact that nearly every one will be exposed to (alleged or not)
cancer causing substances and radiation all our lives and that some people
seem to be genetically pre-disposed to get it even though they take every
precaution.

I.E. life sucks and you die eventually and you have very little control over
when you go, also it seems to me from over hear in the UK that California
finds a new cancer causing substance every day and prompts manufacturers to
slap a warning on the product.

Chris

[The Raven]

"Chris Dugan" <chrisdotdugan@bloodyobvious.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XY1Md.183$Rs4.13@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> "kenji" <kenji@ripco.com> wrote in message
> news:kenji-A54B95.21154401022005@news.ftupet.com...
>> Now that the new eleventh list of 78 compounds and things known to
>> cause cancer has recently come out and nitromethane just made the list I
>> wonder how this might change the RC industry?
>>
>> I'm not fully informed yet, but it looks like inhalation of it is the
>> most hazardous...but I wonder about skin contact with RC fuel.
>>
>> <ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.c...0BD6936CC>
>
> I think that in the next few years that the industry will have to make
> radical changes or it goes the way of the Dodo due to nanny states
> 'protecting' us from ourselves from the various effects of radio waves,
> toxic substances in fuel, glues, circuit boards etc. We might end up
> switching to high octane petrol(gasoline) as opposed to
> nitromethane/methanol based fuels and probably Lithium batteries once a
> robust cell has been developed.
>
> My solution is to just drink beer to cancel out the effect:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/20/beer_fights_cancer/
>
> Or accept the fact that nearly every one will be exposed to (alleged or
> not)
> cancer causing substances and radiation all our lives and that some people
> seem to be genetically pre-disposed to get it even though they take every
> precaution.
>
> I.E. life sucks and you die eventually and you have very little control
> over
> when you go, also it seems to me from over hear in the UK that California
> finds a new cancer causing substance every day and prompts manufacturers
> to
> slap a warning on the product.

I couldn't believe it when I read a warning on a R/C fuel tank stating that
it might come into contact with substances known to the state of california
to cause cancer. It's one thing to say a substance such a glow fuel may
cause cancer but to start labelling related but otherwise safe products as
potentially dangerous?

Perhaps we will start seeing warnings that seat belts may come into contact
with substances (eg. cars) which may be related to products that might harm
us (eg. fuel or other objects the car might run into).............

Next thing will be to place warning labels on smoke detectors that the smoke
it detects may be harmful.........

Don't even consider spacesuits.....

Life is known to the state of California as containing elements which
conclusively lead to the state of death after a period of exposure.....

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[thecontact_509@hotmail.com]

while i totally understand what you're saying, it seems to be a
defeatist view point. because you feel like you have no control over
these things, you attribute it to "one of those things".

what i find hard to accept is that i might be PAYING for products that
contain carcinogens.

remember the Micronite filters in the Kent brand cigarettes in the 50s?
probably THE BEST filter to date. what Kent failed to mention was
that the filter material was asbestos. now, had they mentioned this in
the warning label: This has asbestos, smoke at your own risk. that
might have been a bit more responsible.

and i think that is what it comes down to. sure, obviously, smoking is
really bad. it goes without saying. but people choose to do it
anyway. be they misinformed or not.

but simply implying that it's people's responsibility to take the
responsibility for everything. that's silly. how is someone supposed
to know to information on a product that is harmful, when they don't
have a clue that is in the first place?

seems to me, some strange logic going on here.

and what about the companies using questionable chemicals for consumer
products. they have no, zero, liability?

while this isn't intended to start the debate of ages, i simply posted
these for thought. the truth is, people are more uniformed today about
the products they buy because they "don't have time", "don't care", or,
like you, have simply accepted, on a conscience or subsonscience level,
that they have no control over the quality of the products they buy.
but yet, they choose not to try to change the quality of the offerings.



Chris Dugan wrote:
> "kenji" <kenji@ripco.com> wrote in message
> news:kenji-A54B95.21154401022005@news.ftupet.com...
> > Now that the new eleventh list of 78 compounds and things known to
> > cause cancer has recently come out and nitromethane just made the
list I
> > wonder how this might change the RC industry?
> >
> > I'm not fully informed yet, but it looks like inhalation of it is
the
> > most hazardous...but I wonder about skin contact with RC fuel.
> >
> > <ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.c...0BD6936CC>
>
> I think that in the next few years that the industry will have to
make
> radical changes or it goes the way of the Dodo due to nanny states
> 'protecting' us from ourselves from the various effects of radio
waves,
> toxic substances in fuel, glues, circuit boards etc. We might end up
> switching to high octane petrol(gasoline) as opposed to
> nitromethane/methanol based fuels and probably Lithium batteries once
a
> robust cell has been developed.
>
> My solution is to just drink beer to cancel out the effect:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/20/beer_fights_cancer/
>
> Or accept the fact that nearly every one will be exposed to (alleged
or not)
> cancer causing substances and radiation all our lives and that some
people
> seem to be genetically pre-disposed to get it even though they take
every
> precaution.
>
> I.E. life sucks and you die eventually and you have very little
control over
> when you go, also it seems to me from over hear in the UK that
California
> finds a new cancer causing substance every day and prompts
manufacturers to
> slap a warning on the product.
>
> Chris

[Frater Mus]

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 at 16:27 GMT, <thecontact_509@hotmail.com> wrote:

> remember the Micronite filters in the Kent brand cigarettes in the 50s?
> probably THE BEST filter to date. what Kent failed to mention was
> that the filter material was asbestos. now, had they mentioned this in
> the warning label: This has asbestos, smoke at your own risk. that
> might have been a bit more responsible.

The use of "micronite" was discontinued by Kent roughly at the same
time as the causal relationship between asbestos and lung disease
was scientifically demonstrated (1955).


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[thecontact_509@hotmail.com]

it's no casual relationship these days.

but see? perfect example....i didn't know that they didn't know that
it was dangerous stuff.
the unaware are unaware that they are unaware.

[thecontact_509@hotmail.com]

it's no casual relationship these days.

but see? perfect example....i didn't know that they didn't know that
it was dangerous stuff.
the unaware are unaware that they are unaware.

[Justin Mahn]

thecontact_509@hotmail.com wrote:
> it's no casual relationship these days.
>
> but see? perfect example....i didn't know that they didn't know that
> it was dangerous stuff.
> the unaware are unaware that they are unaware.
>

causal is not the same as casual.

Causal - being caused by

Casual - informal, everyday.

[Peter James]

<thecontact_509@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> it's no casual relationship these days.
>
> but see? perfect example....i didn't know that they didn't know that
> it was dangerous stuff.
> the unaware are unaware that they are unaware.
>

You've been listening to big Donald too much ;)

[the_atomic_punk]

I always make it a habit to wash my hands thouroghly after working or
cleaning my nitro rides.I notice on other products similar warnings,all
founded in california?
They must just be health nut's living there.I guess they figure if
you're not eating granola bars and drinking smoothies you are going to
die!

[Frater Mus]

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 at 02:49 GMT, <thecontact_509@hotmail.com> wrote:
> it's no casual relationship these days.

Causal, not casual.


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[Bert Olton]

kenji wrote:
> Now that the new eleventh list of 78 compounds and things known to
> cause cancer has recently come out and nitromethane just made the list I
> wonder how this might change the RC industry?
>
> I'm not fully informed yet, but it looks like inhalation of it is the
> most hazardous...but I wonder about skin contact with RC fuel.
>
> <ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.c...0BD6936CC>

By this century, in this country at least, anyone has to be an idiot to
not figure that volatile chemicals like gasoline or nitro methane may
cause cancers. Inhalation, skin absorption, imbibing...cheesh...it's
kind of obvious these things aren't designed for human consumption. If
you're going to use them, be careful.

Kenji, I'm not directing this at you. Just kind of spouting off in
general.

If the name of the liquid you're messing around with contains something
like "methyl.." it's obviously potent, nasty stuff. Not meant for
health and nutrition. Know the risks, take the precautions and enjoy
the fun you can have by feeding these poisons to your rc racers!

To comment more calmly, inhalation is usually the most rapid and
effective way of introducing anything into the human blood stream.
However, volatile, solvent-like chemicals like ketones, methyl and ethyl
compounds and so on, can be absorbed extremely rapidly through the skin.
They dissolve directly through the skin into the blood stream.

All right, I'll shut up. Sorry folks.

Bert

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[kenji]

In article <36l2k0F52ke7fU1@individual.net>,
Bert Olton <artorius@redsuspenders.com> wrote:

> Kenji, I'm not directing this at you.

I know. I posted to see what the general thoughts were now that the list
has NM on it.

I wonder how the RC companies will need to respond legally and
educationally.

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