troubles with aerofly pro and JR 2610 radio(JR 6102)

[james_28]

hey guys,


got troubles with aerofly pro and using the interface cable with my JR 2610 radio.

its not the cable as it works with the futaba connector that connects to the JR male type. so its not the cable. it has to be pushed in a cetain amount to work, all the way in does nothing. there is a spot in the middle thats works. and if it gets bumped it loses connection.

is this able to get covered by warranty? i'd like to be able to work when pushed all the way in :rolleyes: as i just gets damn annoying when your flying and it loses connection.

[james_28]

no one?

[snarum]

I can't give u any guarantee as I'm just telling you what I THINK I heard but...

I understand that the JR jack assumes a mono plug, while the Ikarus guys used a stereo plug. Also, I understand that it works fine if you reverse the R and L connections at the plug. However, I can understand not wanting to risk your cable to test it. You should be able to buy a stereo to mono adapter that would fix the problem. I hope. :eek:

[james_28]

I can't give u any guarantee as I'm just telling you what I THINK I heard but...

I understand that the JR jack assumes a mono plug, while the Ikarus guys used a stereo plug. Also, I understand that it works fine if you reverse the R and L connections at the plug. However, I can understand not wanting to risk your cable to test it. You should be able to buy a stereo to mono adapter that would fix the problem. I hope. :eek:

your awesome, just what i needed to hear. and it sounds like your spot on.

if i pass by an electronics store i'll pick one up. not sure when i'll get there, but i'll report back here when i get one.

i have taken the ikarus cap off the plug, looks like a simple solder job. but i dont want to mess with it.

thanks again.

[james_28]

well snarum. no luck. i bought a stereo to mono plug but i get nothing when plugged in. frudtrated, yes but i might have to live with it. i might shoot JR an email

[LESSOR2]

I can't get my AFP to recognize any transmitter JR ot Futaba or otherwise. It amazes me that a manufacturer would produce and release a product that has this type of problem!
Pissed in Chicago

[james_28]

I can't get my AFP to recognize any transmitter JR ot Futaba or otherwise. It amazes me that a manufacturer would produce and release a product that has this type of problem!
Pissed in Chicago


i still have no luck in trying to get my JR tx to work with the cable in all the way, has to be halfway and drops out easy and loses contact.

so you have never ever got any response at all from the tx. make sure you go to the control option on the menu and go to advanced settings. than you can click on the control function on the plane/heli and assign it to whatever channel you want.

[HoverBovver]

I dont have Aerofly but I have a JR 2610 and XTR and the XTR cabling works fine. The cable that came with XTR that connects to the DSC socket is indeed a mono jack plug so if the cable that came with Aerofly is a stereo plug and it kinda works half in then clearly some of the stereo plug contacts are only making contact with the appropriate internal socket contacts when the plug is half in. The image below demonstrates basically what is happening although any number of contact line-up scenarios could be occurring.
So if you can't get the proper cable then you really need to experiment with the wiring to the stereo plug to try to marry up the correct plug contacts with the correct socket contacts when the plug is fully in. Better still replace the stereo jack plug with a mono plug and again experiment with the wiring.

[james_28]

I dont have Aerofly but I have a JR 2610 and XTR and the XTR cabling works fine. The cable that came with XTR that connects to the DSC socket is indeed a mono jack plug so if the cable that came with Aerofly is a stereo plug and it kinda works half in then clearly some of the stereo plug contacts are only making contact with the appropriate internal socket contacts when the plug is half in. The image below demonstrates basically what is happening although any number of contact line-up scenarios could be occurring.
So if you can't get the proper cable then you really need to experiment with the wiring to the stereo plug to try to marry up the correct plug contacts with the correct socket contacts when the plug is fully in. Better still replace the stereo jack plug with a mono plug and again experiment with the wiring.

so should i change the polarity to the plug by soldering the wires to opposite terminals? would it short if i got the pos and neg to flow through the wrong part of the female on the tx?

[HoverBovver]

1. First off email/contact the Aerofly bods....Its not really a JR issue. the proper JR plug is a mono jack plug and not a stereo jack plug and we can't say for sure how that plug is wired up.

2. Don't go messing about with the cabling in your radio. That would blow your warranty and you could inadvertantly damage it.

3. I have no idea whether its possible to damage your radio by applying the signal voltages incorrectly so any work is done at your own risk. Best option is to get a new cable from Aerofly.

4. Here it gets interesting but done at own risk (Don't hold me responsible for trashing your radio)...

If you can open up the plug while maintaining all internal connections then all the better - if you can't then things might get a bit tricky...

Get yourself a continuity tester....most multimeters will have one built in or you can get a standalone device (looks like a screwdriver with a wire with a crocodile clip on the end).

Take the back off your radio and ensure you have easy access to the DSC socket and its wired connections. Plug in you cable and ensure the plug is at the point where you are able to control stuff in the sim. Turn everythign off ensuring you don't nudge your plug/radio/anything out of position.
Then simply use your continuity tester to ascertain which contacts on the plug are connecting to which socket contacts and note which wires connect to the plug contacts.
Then push the plug fully in and test the contacts again to see which connections have been lost and which contacts (if any) have become connected. You can then simply rewire the plug ensuring the correct wires noted earlier connect through to the correct socket contacts. Better still buy a mono plug and wire it so that again the correct wires connect up the the correct socket contacts.
If you can't open up the plug then you may need to snip the wire to the plug at some point and test the wires directly against the radio socket contacts. Could be tricky though as I imagine it would be easy to knock the plug out of position in the socket.

Another tricky situation is that normally there are only two connections in a regular JR plug while the plug you have for use with Aerofly is a stereo jack plug with 3 possible connections. If Aerofly have wired up all the contacts in the plug with 3 seperate wires then things again could get rather tricky but it should become clear which wires are associated with the socket contacts with the continuity tester.

Phew...hope all (or some) of that makes sense.

..and just to re-iterate...your best bet is to contact Aerofly or your sim/cable supplier for advice...someones screwed up and there must be loads of people with the same issue.

[james_28]

ok, got the email with what you originally posted but didn't read it and deleted it.

you sound like your onto something..............?

[HoverBovver]

Ok I edited my post...hopefully that will help you. Its better than blindly swapping the wiring around and risking damage anyway and if you have no possibility of getting a replacement cable then its really the best option.

[peejay]

I've just got a JR PCM9XII tx and it has the same problem - i.e. the Aerofly pro interface cable is terminated with a 3.5mm stereo jack plug and the tx has a 3.5mm mono socket.

Ikarus recommend a "special mono adapter" - for which the UK distributor charges £6.99 + postage. I've just taken a look at the connections of the AFP interface cable and figured out how to make up an interface cable for myself - which cost me 98 pence plus about 10 minutes.



Looking at the diagram (which I "borrowed" from tikaboo - thanks!), the AFP cable's stereo jack plug has B and C connected to the serial port and A is unconnected. To make up an interface cable, you need 1 x 3.5mm stereo jack socket and 1 x 3.5mm mono jack plug. Using a continuity tester or ohm meter figure out which of the solder tags on the socket connects to each of the segments A, B, C when a plug is inserted. Then using a length of 2 core wire (speaker cable is fine) make up a cable so B connects to 1 and C connects to 2. A doesn't need to be connected. Mine works like a dream.

With a standard stereo to mono adapter, A connects to 1 and both B and C are shorted together and connected to 2 (so both left and right channels are mixed and can be heard through the one speaker) - which definitely won't solve this problem!

Phil

[james_28]

I've just got a JR PCM9XII tx and it has the same problem - i.e. the Aerofly pro interface cable is terminated with a 3.5mm stereo jack plug and the tx has a 3.5mm mono socket.

Ikarus recommend a "special mono adapter" - for which the UK distributor charges £6.99 + postage. I've just taken a look at the connections of the AFP interface cable and figured out how to make up an interface cable for myself - which cost me 98 pence plus about 10 minutes.



Looking at the diagram (which I "borrowed" from tikaboo - thanks!), the AFP cable's stereo jack plug has B and C connected to the serial port and A is unconnected. To make up an interface cable, you need 1 x 3.5mm stereo jack socket and 1 x 3.5mm mono jack plug. Using a continuity tester or ohm meter figure out which of the solder tags on the socket connects to each of the segments A, B, C when a plug is inserted. Then using a length of 2 core wire (speaker cable is fine) make up a cable so B connects to 1 and C connects to 2. A doesn't need to be connected. Mine works like a dream.

With a standard stereo to mono adapter, A connects to 1 and both B and C are shorted together and connected to 2 (so both left and right channels are mixed and can be heard through the one speaker) - which definitely won't solve this problem!

Phil

woah, thanks. that is so very helpful. i still have not messed with it to be safe and have been flying on the sim like it is(difficult)

i will have to try what you said.

thanks again tika and phil.