Heli-Chair, a different way to fly your helicopter

[Heli-Chair]

I have created a new and unique way to fly your remote controlled
helicopter. Similar to the Fly Seat created by Ed Henry a long time
ago, but much refined. Take a peek at my website!
http://www.heli-chair.com

[RV]

On 21 Jan 2005 07:30:20 -0800, "Heli-Chair" <sales@heli-chair.com>
wrote:

>I have created a new and unique way to fly your remote controlled
>helicopter. Similar to the Fly Seat created by Ed Henry a long time
>ago, but much refined. Take a peek at my website!
>http://www.heli-chair.com

Yes we have looked at this before, posted in a forum.

Some suggestion made at the time where.
It could do with a set of wheels to push yourself out the way of the
heli coming at you.
You might consider wearing full leathers and a catchers mask while
using it.
And another idea is, you could have a space allocated under the chair
so that when all else fails you can leap under the seat to avoid the
out of control heli.

[The AirMan]

Certainly looks interesting!
Do you sell plans?
"Heli-Chair" <sales@heli-chair.com> wrote in message
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>I have created a new and unique way to fly your remote controlled
> helicopter. Similar to the Fly Seat created by Ed Henry a long time
> ago, but much refined. Take a peek at my website!
> http://www.heli-chair.com
>

[Heli-Chair]

The AirMan wrote:
> Do you sell plans?

not yet, but working on that.
bookmark this page:
http://www.heli-chair.com/plans_and_kits.html
and check it for updates.

[The AirMan]

Ok I'm interested.Let me know when the plans are available!
"Heli-Chair" <sales@heli-chair.com> wrote in message
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> The AirMan wrote:
>> Do you sell plans?
>
> not yet, but working on that.
> bookmark this page:
> http://www.heli-chair.com/plans_and_kits.html
> and check it for updates.
>

[angelos@model-gadgets.com]

The chair looks good, however your electronic skills are probably not
as good as your mechanical. I just feel sorry for these transmitter you
modify. You don't have to do that. You only need a US$5 microcontroller
to read the potentiometers and generate a PPM signal which you can then
feed in the transmitter from the training lead connector. Thus you
don't even need a second TX set for the instructor.

[Heli-Chair]

angelos,

you are aboslutely right that i could use a ppm signal generator (and
my microcontroller knowledge is limited), however there is a good
reason. the flimsy trainer plug on the transmitter always comes loose
and is not as reliable as a circular locking plug. second is that i am
interfacing much more that just the signals for the stick positions. i
am interfacing with all of the toggle switches on the radio which do
not go through the trainer plug and in some cases the digital trims as
well. i was not aware that all of these passed through the trainer
plug, am i wrong?

kas

ps. informative website angelos, you obviously know a lot about the
futaba 9Z!

angelos@model-gadgets.com wrote:
> The chair looks good, however your electronic skills are probably not
> as good as your mechanical. I just feel sorry for these transmitter
you
> modify. You don't have to do that. You only need a US$5
microcontroller
> to read the potentiometers and generate a PPM signal which you can
then
> feed in the transmitter from the training lead connector. Thus you
> don't even need a second TX set for the instructor.

[Kostas]

Angele,
I feel sorry for the poor transmitters too. But the
training connector solution has some disadvantages... mainly
because you loose most of the TX's capabilities like the
mixing functions, model memory storage, pitch curves etc.

You see, by using the training lead, you turn the TX into
a "dumb" transmitter that just passes the signals it gets to
it's TX module... (Except if there is a radio out there that
will treat the PPM signals as "stick positions" so that all the
radio's functions could then be applied to the signal before its
transmitted).

So, the US$5 microcontroller must provide functions like
pitch curves, model memory storage and basically everything
a programmable radio offers today..! It's feasible but a bigger
project than just a PPM generator :-)


<angelos(spam_stop)@model-gadgets.com> wrote:...
> The chair looks good, however your electronic skills are probably not
> as good as your mechanical. I just feel sorry for these transmitter you
> modify. You don't have to do that. You only need a US$5 microcontroller
> to read the potentiometers and generate a PPM signal which you can then
> feed in the transmitter from the training lead connector. Thus you
> don't even need a second TX set for the instructor.
>

[dtipton@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net]

On 26-Jan-2005, "Kostas" <spam_stop@sp.com> wrote:

> (Except if there is a radio out there that
> will treat the PPM signals as "stick positions" so that all the
> radio's functions could then be applied to the signal before its
> transmitted).

The Futaba 9C does ... but ... like was previously mentioned,
it only does this on stick channels ( 1- 4).
The 9Cs trainer mode can be set to OFF, NORMAL, or Function.
OFF - tx'd signal based on Master TX and buddy box signal is ignored.
NORMAL - Signal from buddy box is sent to Master TX and tx'd
as is ... with no manipulation from the master TX.
Function - Signal from buddy box goes to Master and then any
mix function that is enable in the Master TX changes the signal
before it is TX'd.

And make sure the TX IS in PPM mode. Trainer cords don't work
when the master TX is in PCM mode.

Either way ... You'd have to prove to me that more than channels 1-4 were
being set across the trainer cord before I would try it.

tippy

[Kostas]

I see, thanks for the info on the 9C.
Maybe in the future more TXs will support this,
and for all their channels (not just the 4 sticks...)

<dtipton@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> wrote...
>
> On 26-Jan-2005, "Kostas" <spam_stop@sp.com> wrote:
>
> > (Except if there is a radio out there that
> > will treat the PPM signals as "stick positions" so that all the
> > radio's functions could then be applied to the signal before its
> > transmitted).
>
> The Futaba 9C does ... but ... like was previously mentioned,
> it only does this on stick channels ( 1- 4).
> The 9Cs trainer mode can be set to OFF, NORMAL, or Function.
> OFF - tx'd signal based on Master TX and buddy box signal is ignored.
> NORMAL - Signal from buddy box is sent to Master TX and tx'd
> as is ... with no manipulation from the master TX.
> Function - Signal from buddy box goes to Master and then any
> mix function that is enable in the Master TX changes the signal
> before it is TX'd.
>
> And make sure the TX IS in PPM mode. Trainer cords don't work
> when the master TX is in PCM mode.
>
> Either way ... You'd have to prove to me that more than channels 1-4 were
> being set across the trainer cord before I would try it.
>
> tippy

[Steve R.]

One slight correction. Make sure the "slave transmitter" is in PPM mode.
Trainer cords don't work if the "slave" TX is "not" in PPM mode! The
"master" TX has to be in whatever mode the model's receiver requires. The
last person I helped using a trainer cord had a PCM receiver in the
helicopter so the master TX transmitted in that mode but the slave TX still
had to be in PPM mode to communicate with the master TX.

:-)

Fly Safe,
Steve R.


<dtipton@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> And make sure the TX IS in PPM mode. Trainer cords don't work
> when the master TX is in PCM mode.
>
> tippy

[dtipton@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net]

Wow, I learn something new every year. Thanks for that correction.
Got some testing to do now.

Thanks,
tippy