simulator question

[keith]

Hello All,
im new to this group,i have a question about simulators,i have the reflex
xtr simulator,i dont want to get into bad habits,i was wondering if there
was some standard layout for the transmitter?
I have the throttle on the left channel,is there a site out there,or anybody
here who could advise me how to set the r/c unit up?
Im not sure though if i ever will be able to fly,its a bit löike having
top divide your brain up into about six parts,as for hovering,is this
actualy possible :)?? at the moment i give gas,and try and keep the tail
straight,it invariably leans to the left or right and bang,start again.any
help would be appreciated.also what are your opinions on simulators.are they
any help.ive brought a heli,but i dont want to flly it and the first flight
it breaks ups,hence the sim,but the way im going with the sim,it will be
months before i have enough confidence to fly,and there is no one here where
i live who can help.
all my best Keith

[Olaf Greck]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:04:45 +0100, "keith"
<keiluscombe@swissonline.ch> wrote:

Hallo Keith,

>i was wondering if there
>was some standard layout for the transmitter?

For a heli "usually" it is:

Pitch on the left stick moving it up down
Heck rotor left stick moving it left right
Roll: right stick moving it left right
Nick: right stick moving up down

Gas is sometimes coupled with Pitch and sometimes on a separate
switch, depending on personal likings.

The above is a choice, not a need, but it allows you to relax your
left hand from tome to time (assuming you are right handed)


> Im not sure though if i ever will be able to fly,its a bit löike having
>top divide your brain up into about six parts,as for hovering,is this
>actualy possible :)??

Perfectly normal, after some time it will make click in the brain and
live becomes easier. Trick is to assume where the heli will want to go
and steering against that, Instead of steering against where it is.

>at the moment i give gas,and try and keep the tail
>straight,it invariably leans to the left or right and bang

Perfectly normal: Due to the heck rotor trying to compensate the main
rotor it creates a horizontal force.
Main rotor turns anti-clock wise = tendency to the right
Main rotor turns clock wise = tendency to the left

Trick here is to get Pitch and Roll together so that it compensates
without falling over.

The page that helped me most was Radd's Flying School:

http://www.dream-models.com/eco/index.html


>help would be appreciated. [snip] simulators.[snip] but the way im going with the sim,it will be
>months before i have enough confidence to fly

Perfectly normal, too :-) That's why it is a very good idea to have a
sim. Not sure about month, I was "quite exited" in the beginning to
say the least, but now I feel OK about hovering in real and flying
around in the Sim. Do you drive real cars? How long did it take you
there to feel confident? Only as a comparison.

>,and there is no one here where
>i live who can help.

Which part of .ch? Would the German speaking forums be any help? They
might find somebody near you:

http://www.rc-helicopter.org/forum/index.php?act=idx
http://www.rclineforum.de/forum/index.php?sid=

There is less information for Heli's/Sim on news:de.rec.modelle.misc
compared to the above but still some.

best regards

Olaf

PS: which Heli, which transmitter?

[keith]

Hallo Olaf,
i much appreciate your help,now i have to ask a question that possibly
sounds daft but this is like french to me :)
what exactly is the difference between gas and pitch?
thanks Keith
"Olaf Greck" <olaf_greck@virgilio.it> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:fh1fu0l1shnvhnn4t9cs927bjhmuold4m2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:04:45 +0100, "keith"
> <keiluscombe@swissonline.ch> wrote:
>
> Hallo Keith,
>
>>i was wondering if there
>>was some standard layout for the transmitter?
>
> For a heli "usually" it is:
>
> Pitch on the left stick moving it up down
> Heck rotor left stick moving it left right
> Roll: right stick moving it left right
> Nick: right stick moving up down
>
> Gas is sometimes coupled with Pitch and sometimes on a separate
> switch, depending on personal likings.
>
> The above is a choice, not a need, but it allows you to relax your
> left hand from tome to time (assuming you are right handed)
>
>
>> Im not sure though if i ever will be able to fly,its a bit löike having
>>top divide your brain up into about six parts,as for hovering,is this
>>actualy possible :)??
>
> Perfectly normal, after some time it will make click in the brain and
> live becomes easier. Trick is to assume where the heli will want to go
> and steering against that, Instead of steering against where it is.
>
>>at the moment i give gas,and try and keep the tail
>>straight,it invariably leans to the left or right and bang
>
> Perfectly normal: Due to the heck rotor trying to compensate the main
> rotor it creates a horizontal force.
> Main rotor turns anti-clock wise = tendency to the right
> Main rotor turns clock wise = tendency to the left
>
> Trick here is to get Pitch and Roll together so that it compensates
> without falling over.
>
> The page that helped me most was Radd's Flying School:
>
> http://www.dream-models.com/eco/index.html
>
>
>>help would be appreciated. [snip] simulators.[snip] but the way im going
>>with the sim,it will be
>>months before i have enough confidence to fly
>
> Perfectly normal, too :-) That's why it is a very good idea to have a
> sim. Not sure about month, I was "quite exited" in the beginning to
> say the least, but now I feel OK about hovering in real and flying
> around in the Sim. Do you drive real cars? How long did it take you
> there to feel confident? Only as a comparison.
>
>>,and there is no one here where
>>i live who can help.
>
> Which part of .ch? Would the German speaking forums be any help? They
> might find somebody near you:
>
> http://www.rc-helicopter.org/forum/index.php?act=idx
> http://www.rclineforum.de/forum/index.php?sid=
>
> There is less information for Heli's/Sim on news:de.rec.modelle.misc
> compared to the above but still some.
>
> best regards
>
> Olaf
>
> PS: which Heli, which transmitter?

[Alan]

Where're you located Keith....

--
Alan
alandotrait@btopenworlddot.com
Remove the dots to reply
http://heliweb.users.btopenworld.com/



"keith" <keiluscombe@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
news:cs7qu0$1no$1@news.hispeed.ch...
> Hello All,
> im new to this group,i have a question about simulators,i have the reflex
> xtr simulator,i dont want to get into bad habits,i was wondering if there
> was some standard layout for the transmitter?
> I have the throttle on the left channel,is there a site out there,or
> anybody here who could advise me how to set the r/c unit up?
> Im not sure though if i ever will be able to fly,its a bit löike having
> top divide your brain up into about six parts,as for hovering,is this
> actualy possible :)?? at the moment i give gas,and try and keep the tail
> straight,it invariably leans to the left or right and bang,start again.any
> help would be appreciated.also what are your opinions on simulators.are
> they any help.ive brought a heli,but i dont want to flly it and the first
> flight it breaks ups,hence the sim,but the way im going with the sim,it
> will be months before i have enough confidence to fly,and there is no one
> here where i live who can help.
> all my best Keith
>
>
>

[Steve R.]

:-D I love reading posts like this one. No offense intended, Keith, it
just brings back memories of when I was learning to fly. Olaf gave you
some good answers and I've got nothing to add other than to say, "Stay with
it, it will come!"

Best of luck,
Steve R.


"Olaf Greck" <olaf_greck@virgilio.it> wrote in message
news:fh1fu0l1shnvhnn4t9cs927bjhmuold4m2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:04:45 +0100, "keith"
> <keiluscombe@swissonline.ch> wrote:
>
> Hallo Keith,
>
>>i was wondering if there
>>was some standard layout for the transmitter?
>
> For a heli "usually" it is:
>
> Pitch on the left stick moving it up down
> Heck rotor left stick moving it left right
> Roll: right stick moving it left right
> Nick: right stick moving up down
>
> Gas is sometimes coupled with Pitch and sometimes on a separate
> switch, depending on personal likings.
>
> The above is a choice, not a need, but it allows you to relax your
> left hand from tome to time (assuming you are right handed)
>
>
>> Im not sure though if i ever will be able to fly,its a bit löike having
>>top divide your brain up into about six parts,as for hovering,is this
>>actualy possible :)??
>
> Perfectly normal, after some time it will make click in the brain and
> live becomes easier. Trick is to assume where the heli will want to go
> and steering against that, Instead of steering against where it is.
>
>>at the moment i give gas,and try and keep the tail
>>straight,it invariably leans to the left or right and bang
>
> Perfectly normal: Due to the heck rotor trying to compensate the main
> rotor it creates a horizontal force.
> Main rotor turns anti-clock wise = tendency to the right
> Main rotor turns clock wise = tendency to the left
>
> Trick here is to get Pitch and Roll together so that it compensates
> without falling over.
>
> The page that helped me most was Radd's Flying School:
>
> http://www.dream-models.com/eco/index.html
>
>
>>help would be appreciated. [snip] simulators.[snip] but the way im going
>>with the sim,it will be
>>months before i have enough confidence to fly
>
> Perfectly normal, too :-) That's why it is a very good idea to have a
> sim. Not sure about month, I was "quite exited" in the beginning to
> say the least, but now I feel OK about hovering in real and flying
> around in the Sim. Do you drive real cars? How long did it take you
> there to feel confident? Only as a comparison.
>
>>,and there is no one here where
>>i live who can help.
>
> Which part of .ch? Would the German speaking forums be any help? They
> might find somebody near you:
>
> http://www.rc-helicopter.org/forum/index.php?act=idx
> http://www.rclineforum.de/forum/index.php?sid=
>
> There is less information for Heli's/Sim on news:de.rec.modelle.misc
> compared to the above but still some.
>
> best regards
>
> Olaf
>
> PS: which Heli, which transmitter?

[keith]

Hi Alan,
in zürich switzerland
keith
"Alan" <alandotrait@btopenworlddot.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:cs8vf8$kcr$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> Where're you located Keith....
>
> --
> Alan
> alandotrait@btopenworlddot.com
> Remove the dots to reply
> http://heliweb.users.btopenworld.com/
>
>
>
> "keith" <keiluscombe@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
> news:cs7qu0$1no$1@news.hispeed.ch...
>> Hello All,
>> im new to this group,i have a question about simulators,i have the reflex
>> xtr simulator,i dont want to get into bad habits,i was wondering if there
>> was some standard layout for the transmitter?
>> I have the throttle on the left channel,is there a site out there,or
>> anybody here who could advise me how to set the r/c unit up?
>> Im not sure though if i ever will be able to fly,its a bit löike having
>> top divide your brain up into about six parts,as for hovering,is this
>> actualy possible :)?? at the moment i give gas,and try and keep the tail
>> straight,it invariably leans to the left or right and bang,start
>> again.any help would be appreciated.also what are your opinions on
>> simulators.are they any help.ive brought a heli,but i dont want to flly
>> it and the first flight it breaks ups,hence the sim,but the way im going
>> with the sim,it will be months before i have enough confidence to fly,and
>> there is no one here where i live who can help.
>> all my best Keith
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Olaf Greck]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:16:38 +0100, "keith"
<keiluscombe@swissonline.ch> wrote:

>Hallo Olaf,
> i much appreciate your help,now i have to ask a question that possibly
>sounds daft but this is like french to me :)
>what exactly is the difference between gas and pitch?
> thanks Keith

Sorry, I did not explain myself good here:)

Pitch is the angle of the main rotor blades (compared to a imaginable
horizontal line) :
more pitch, more lift, more power needed, but the heli will
rise.
Less (positive) pitch it will let it sink, negative pitch it
make it sink faster.

Gas is (similar to the car) the amount of engine power you would like
to feed into the rotor.

So when you increase the pitch there is more power needed because of
the air resistance of the blades, and somehow you at your transmitter
(TX) need to tell the heli to do something about motor speed/power.

So now there are two philosophies:

- Use a pitch curve ("idle up"): depending on where the pitch stick
on the transmitter is the transmitter will send a preprogrammed value.
for example :
0 degree pitch = 50% power (gas)
+10 degree pitch = 100 % power
-10 degree pitch = 0 % power.

Google for "idle up" and "pitch curves" and it will be a evening
filling subject. ;-)

- Alternative you can use a
-- governor (typically on petrol powered heli's)
or
-- on electro heli's a "motor-controller with a feed back
loop" (missing the proper English word here)

These devises measure the motor speed and try to keep it constant.
Your TX is only sending the pitch values, the motor values will be
controlled by a switch on your TX but it will not change on the TX
(usually, well, only to stop and start the motor.)

Did I write two pages in response to a simple question?
Oh oh oh, sorry for wasting valuable network bandwidth,

best regards

Olaf