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cmartin
Jan 03, 2005, 05:39 PM
I have zero exerience with AG's but decided to see what might be involved in designing a micro-sized version. After reviewing the posted and printed information it looks like the rotor design might be the greatest challenge. So I worked up some hub and blade designs on Cad and woke up the laser. After the laser finished singing for its supper I have several variations in which the blades can be switched, pitch can be tweaked, the droop stop and coning angle stops can be changed. I wanted, in particular, to see how 3 or 4 (or maybe 2) blade configurations compared and how scaling down larger system hardware might affect performance. The picture shows some of the different pinned hinge and elastic hub and blade types that I've been seen running around the front yard in the wind and cold (the neighbors think I'm nuts!).
I started with built-up 3-rib airfoils covered top and bottom. Although very lightweight and functional, they are time consuming, delicate, difficult to maintain airfoil integrity and essentially impossible to shrink covering film without warping. For testing, I needed something easier to work up and experiment with. I made solid blades which are also quite acceptable but they are a bit heavier than I wished. After some head scratching I tried the laser cut geodedic rib pattern blanks and most of the problems disappeared. After a light sanding they can be covered without other finishing steps. I use both RA Microlite and Solite and shrink with an iron with no warping. The very lightest built-up 1-1/2" x 6" blades weigh .9 grams each, an equivalent geodedic weighs 1.3 grams and a solid blade 2.2 grams.
The Clark Y blade sets shown are different widths, thickness, aaspect ratios, 0 and 15 degree Delta hinge angles and 13" to 17" rotor diameters. I am beginning to sort out the relative advantages and disadvantages of these variables by hand testing outdoors but I have more combinations I want to try. It does appear that the lower aspect ratio Delta rotors are considerably more inclined to autorotate and establish usable lift. A 3-blade 1-1/2" x 6" (4:1 AR) rotor, for example, comes up to a reasonable rotational speed and lift at about 3 mph and at 5 mph it easily provides more lift than the weight of my model. By comparison, a set of 1-1/8" x 8" (7:1 AR) blades on the same hub with the same airfoil, pitch, hub and rake angle doesn't come up to autorotation below 5 mph. I use a hand-held Dwyer wind meter while testing. I don't understand this relationship with AR but it does help ballpark the pitch speed for the tractor drive and propeller. Adding a fourth blade retains the same autorotation capability as the three blade but with a discernable increase in lift. I will start flying with 3 blade and use actual flying comparisons to bet a better feel for this. I have fixtures and gages for asembling the hubs, shaping the airfoils and for setting/resetting the pitch. I find that a 14% Clark Y with 4 degrees negative riggers' angle seems to be a good starting place. Experience with a free-flapping hinged blade with 10 degrees up stops presents a problem. Only the slightest wind anomoly will pop the blade to the stop anywhere in its rotation and disrupt lift. I suspect there is so little mass to the blades that centripetal force isn't there to keep the blades in plane. I am gong to further limit the flap angle and try adding some rubber pads under the stop to provide some resistance to blade lifting...adding weight to the blades is a last resort. There are some other things I need to try before I can begin condensing my observations on these little rotors.
I just finished a flying test bed I call the GyroMite. It is designed for the JMP or RFFS and an M20 motor/gearbox. The AUW of the G.M. as pictured is 20.5 grams with the M20 and 145 mahr cell. Going to just rudder-motor and simplifying the landing gear (I got carried away a bit there) would drop the weight to 17 or 18 grams which may be needed for the M20. Flight attempts will await some more non-flying rotor testing and some better weather before I add my own piloting limitations to the list of variables. I can post more information and flight results (read attempts) but I would welcome any input from others who have chased these little rascals down the same path.

dougmontgomery
Jan 04, 2005, 07:43 AM
Nice Work!!!!I'm sure this project will work out for you with the patience I see.Keep us posted, Doug

David A Ramsey
Jan 04, 2005, 11:32 AM
You mentioned "elastic" material for your hubs. What material are you using?

You and that laser guy you got working for you do lovely work. A real pleasure to look at.

The GyroMite is a sweetheart.

mnowell129
Jan 04, 2005, 03:26 PM
Beautiful work.
What are the details on the laser cutter? Is this something a human can afford?
mick

cmartin
Jan 04, 2005, 06:40 PM
The material I am using on the plastic-hinge hubs is a flexible lightweight (.015" thick) fiberglas sheet. I tried to laser cut PPL and a couple other plastics but they do not vaporize properly in the laser beam like wood or fiberglas does. Long chain hydrocarbons tend to melt away and leave a messy part and foul the laser chamber. I did hand cut a couple PPL hubs using the hobby knife but can't see any advantage on the test blades over the lighter FG material. I don't find much difference so far between the pinned and the plastic type hubs except the pinned are lighter and smaller. I also made up a couple of pinned hubs half the size of those ones pictured to see what might be the next step toward pager-powered AG if the larger one decides it wants to play nice.
I have a 30 watt Universal Laser Systems laser in the basement right beside my computer and across the room from my workbench so the idea-design-laser parts-assembly-refine loop is very tight.
The ULS system I have was a retirement gift to myself. It has a 12" x 24" table. I bought it new but used equipment including an exhaust system will be in the $15000 */-, I suspect. I use AutoCad and the laser almost exclusively for making any part that can be laser cut. I can misplace my Xacto knife for hours at a time and not realize it.

Lone Yankee
Jan 05, 2005, 08:51 AM
VERY not bad! More!

-LY

David A Ramsey
Jan 05, 2005, 10:21 AM
The material I am using on the plastic-hinge hubs is a flexible lightweight (.015" thick) fiberglas sheet. I don't find much difference so far between the pinned and the plastic type hubs except the pinned are lighter and smaller. I also made up a couple of pinned hubs half the size of those ones pictured to see what might be the next step toward pager-powered AG if the larger one decides it wants to play nice.
I have a 30 watt Universal Laser Systems laser in the basement right beside my computer and across the room from my workbench so the idea-design-laser parts-assembly-refine loop is very tight.
The ULS system I have was a retirement gift to myself. It has a 12" x 24" table. I bought it new but used equipment including an exhaust system will be in the $15000 */-, I suspect. I use AutoCad and the laser almost exclusively for making any part that can be laser cut. I can misplace my Xacto knife for hours at a time and not realize it.

Thank you for your reply. I wonder if you could tell me what you mean by "Pinned" as I haven't noted that term before.

I'm also curious as to the pre-set rotor tilt you might arrive at.

I had no idea my Xacto knives were worth so much!