Signing off for a while....

[Hank Scorpio]

The Mod Mark Wood said in a post on the warning system once...

"As far as the warning system is concerned, I think it's a new tool that we'll get used to and it's use will decrease unless one is a chronic jerk."

Unfortunately one mod wields it like a kid who's found his dad's gun.


So have a good winter guys, it's been a real pleasure talking with some of you. Maybe I'll be back in the spring when the flying weather is back. Better to shut up now than end up at warning level 6 for whatever reason and being banned. I imagine this one will take me to 5 although I wouldn't discount a ban. Why take the chance? Because it's frustrating. This is an opinion NOT a troll BTW.

Cheers and good wishes to all. Remember: Blue=up, green=down!!!

Hank Scorpio
Maniacal Super Villian
Owner, the Denver Broncos
Overlord of the Eastern Seaboard.

[new flyer]

what did ya do to make them mad

[rob251]

what just for the dog disscusion? :confused:
give me a break :(

[Ric Duley]

I happened to see this thread and was curious why you had received warnings, so I checked.

This site is family friendly and used by children. The rules are minimal and very simple, but you can't swear. Using unacceptable language will get you warnings, everytime.
The two moderators that issued you warning points were only doing their jobs.

Even if you did "earn" 10 points, the ban is only 5 days.

There is a benevolent "robot" that eventually results in the points being removed upon good behaviour, so you could easily avoid any ban just by not violating any rules. Most users do not get warned.

It seems to me kind of silly to lose such a great resource just because you choose to not watch your language.

[Tony Oliver]

The thread which Hank started was all about a particular woman refusing to abide by the rules for 'no dogs allowed' on the school flying field he uses - a sensible topic and it was well presented with a good argument for his case.

However I found it unacceptable for him to use inappropriate language and not accept that the forum has rules which he decided to ignore.

Isn't that what he was complaining about someone else doing to him?

It's illogical that he should do that.

Tony
Co-moderator

[Hank Scorpio]

You know, it wasn't about your warning Tonyo. I admitI got butsed for breaking the rules in your case. It was stupid, however I've recieved warnings for things like "WTH" or "Frikin" being "offensive" and alleged "trolling", something I consider pointless a best so i don't ever engage in it. I'm yet to recieve a straight answer frome Mod in question about this "Trolling" except something about mentioning the same subject in another thread. We've had discussions before about some mods being a little too prudish or heavyhanded at times and that is what I was referring to. Like I said, if I break a rule then I'll take whatever is dished out but it's a bit rediculous when you usually don't even get an answer to disputing a warning. As you know I never disputed your warning. I just find it's used a tad too frequently at times by some, well, one. You were right to issue one in your case Tonyo, fair enough I broke a rule, that is clear, but there have been others from the other Mod that have left me scratching my head with no response. That's why it's time for a break. I'll use the resource, I'm just removing myself from the fray for a spell. If you guys want to hunt trolls then go read the B-52 crash thread there's some beauts in that one. I think the mods need to come up with clear guidlines for this system because it seems they all have different views on things is all I'm saying. It's the same as some referees hand out yellow cards like candy. Nothing personal, just an observation and one I think that MW was getting at in his discussion on the subject. He seems to be the most evenhanded of the bunch and I think his sense of humor has a lot to do with it. I probably should have been a little more clear in my post but I wasn't about to provoke anyone by calling out someone by name in the open forum. Again, this had nothing to do with you or your warning Tonyo. It was valid. It's other times and a fresh one right after yours for this "trolling" from elsewhere that brought it to a head. If you went through all my other posts, you'll see that I generally tow the line. I think most of the other Mods would agree because aside of the usual, your the only other one I've heard from and it was valid so no dispute there.

Cheers.

[Dave Hederich]

Sounds like a "gray zone" case. Obviously, it's simple to apply forum rules against anyone who uses known cuss words with dictionary correct spellings. But what to do about all the various abbreviations and misspellings that represent the same cuss words? If the object is to create a family friendly atmosphere on RC Groups, then how much do you have to disguise cuss words in order to keep using them? At what point do we think kids aren't smart enough to see what someone is saying in code, and use this same code to try to beat the system?

Personally, I think it's all about trying to set an example for kids. Although society has never been freer in allowing people to use the vilest terms, the truth is that it's not necessary to use such terminology when there are many perfectly acceptable, civilized words that can be used instead. What is so difficult about making a special effort to keep language extra clean when conversing on a forum with a stated philosophy of being family friendly?

In modern society, outright filthy language can be used in many situations, and coded filthy language is almost universal. Does this mean that it is good or desirable? I don't think so, and I don't think a lot of people think so. I know all the words. I've used all the words. I also know when it is totally inappropriate to use them. One of those times is when posting on a forum with a philosophy of being family friendly.

It really isn't that difficult to do as long as you understand that the object is not to use words that come as close to cuss words as possible without actually being identified as cuss words. The object is to promote the use of language that is not even remotely close to questionable. In the long run, our children will appreciate this, and we will all be better for it.